Is God Real?

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:52 pm

if he is real , he has a dam funny scene of humor !

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:57 pm

Lone Wolf;1442866 wrote: if he is real , he has a dam funny scene of humor !

I think God does have a funny sense of humor; I see that in his creations of blowfish, peacoks and anteaters.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Dec 18, 2013 11:12 am

When God moves on humanity, it will be in a manner that we all will know it at the same time, its going to be a worldwide movement, and none of us will be left out or left in the darkness any longer; the imprisonment will be over and he will let us out of this box!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:35 am

Is God real? Well I tell you one thing I know, he is for real in his rule of reality; this reality we are now experiencing is no joke; were not going through all this crap for nothing.

There is a purpose in this life, and that purpose did not create itself!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:36 am

If God were not real, he would no doubt be the greatest illusion that has continually lived in human history. The greatest story ever ever told; come on now, there would be absolutely no doubt to that!

Conversely, to those who never ever did believe in him, if he was real, it would be the most greatest deception ever reaped on a sensible human.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 10:13 am

The realness of God will become more apparent in this age and the next.

And its going to put humanity in shock.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:33 pm

Unfortunately the realness of God will only become apparent to some, after God shoves his reality down their throats; this is a destiny that none may escape; reality will reveal itself to be God, and humanity will know how futile the realitys they made up have been.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:49 am

God is real and its our judgements and opinions that are fake.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:23 pm

The first thing I want to say in 2014, is that I think that God is real; if he is not, were all in serious trouble; or just headed for the grave.

God must be real, because only he has the righteous plans for human life; with his way, we live forever. And we all are destined to understand that;;

...just not today;;;

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 10:17 am

Is God real? Where do you think Atheist came from? How could they exist without what they fear existing? How could they develop without what they object.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:21 pm

Is God real?

Well yes he is. But the term " God", is just a general term used for the Deity that we both know of and don't know. The term God can be used to describe deities worshipped by other people as well. So the abstract definition about the existence of God, has nothing to do with the nature of God as expressed by human believers. Because we are so confused on the matter.

The real " God", perhaps does not even call himself " God." Or does he? Well we don't know; he could have many names, or no name???

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jan 14, 2014 3:46 pm

We know as much about God, than a fish knows about dry land.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:08 am

But we do know that God has a power, a way of getting his unknown pressence into the human consciousness; just look at how the Atheist flock to his agenda and hold an intense need to disvalue him to the majority masses. Something they have never accomplished and never will; but their conscious is invaded by this very thing.

And this is how God is, creating and invading both sides of a very real issue.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:47 am

Is God real?

Are you kidding!!!??

You think all this came from nothing; is for nothing; and will return to nothing??

GET REAL!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:18 am

God could have birthed us and brought us right into his Spirit dimension from the get go; he did not. He could have birthed us perfect and made us spirit perfection and having total understanding from the get go; he did not.

Instead, he housed us in this flesh and made us blind to him, only seeing through a darkness.

Because he is deadly serious about what he is doing; the lessons he is teaching;

because these lessons will last for eternity.

this is for real man.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:41 pm

God is so real , that the fakes can nio longer replace him; the myths are no longer sufficent; humanity is being wittled down to the truth!!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:00 am

You can look into the eyes of an Atheist and see that God is real;

the intimidation...

the curosity...

the Fear!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:24 am

If you would be real with yourself and reality; God is our only hope " For More." More life, more destiny, more peace and happiness; just more of that. Nothingelse offers that. In all other beliefs we just live and die and that's it. In some beliefs we live, die and come back as somethingelse, an amazing belief.

Is the future only based on human beliefs? Are we creating our desires?

Well no; of all the billions and trillions of planets in the known universe, only earth has the ingredients to substain human life; so we can know from that , that earth is a key. Its got something to do with our future. Thats why I like the bible, it reveals that earth will be complettely renewed and be thje center of a forever living universe, that has a creator God. Its incredibly obvious that earth was " Designed to tolerate humans"; so obvious it supports a God being real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:09 am

Is God real? Well you can know by " watching people", but not the Christians, not the religious, not by watching the believers; but by watching the unbelievers; THEY are the sign given in scripture. Watch the Atheist, they are revealing God each passing year.

Watch them and learn to see scripture fulfilled right before your eyes.

Nearly every verse in the bible that describes the human condition during the continuing times, has been preceeded by Atheist behavior;

And then watch the behavior of believers; but not their self claimed ' righteousness', but watch how they are growing consistantly carnal in their behavior; that was foretold as well.

Know what to watch in proving God to yourself.

Watch human behavior in the negative; because the double coin of Atheist-Theist will meld into one.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:45 am

Tell me. What is "Atheist behaviour" ?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:57 am

Snowfire;1445458 wrote: Tell me. What is "Atheist behaviour" ?

Atheist behavior is how an Atheist thinks; its inward consciousness that is continous with outward living. Its a consciousness that entirely effects behavior; a consciousness in rebellion against God, the ' thought of God', religion and the workings of religion; and the history of God and Christ; so it must live in a world that is not in rebellion against those things.

So Atheist behavior is simular to the life of a salmon; it must swim against the stream, against the current; and this not only affects behavior, but shapes and influences it. Makes it harder in many situations; which can harden behavior.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:25 am

Your comment leans very specifically to behaviour, intimating that an Atheists behaviour must be different to a Theist.

How does that manifest itself. What is it you look for/see that identifies an atheist from, say, a Christian, a Muslim or a Buddhist. We all "think" and we all think differently.

I certainly dont see myself swimming against any stream. I live parallel with all and fight with none. You could not define me as an Atheist from any behaviour because it doesn't differ from others around me, Atheist or otherwise.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:32 am

Snowfire;1445468 wrote: Your comment leans very specifically to behaviour, intimating that an Atheists behaviour must be different to a Theist.

How does that manifest itself. What is it you look for/see that identifies an atheist from, say, a Christian, a Muslim or a Buddhist. We all "think" and we all think differently.

I certainly dont see myself swimming against any stream. I live parallel with all and fight with none. You could not define me as an Atheist from any behaviour because it doesn't differ from others around me, Atheist or otherwise.

I disagree, behavior begins in the conscious mind and I maintain that Atheist think different than christians, Muslims and buddhist do; almost totally different in my view. And that is the origin of behavior. I am not discussing " surface behavior", i am going much deeper than that. Surface behavior encompasses all human simularities; such as we all get hungry and eat, it would be silly to suggest that Atheist don't eat like everyonelse does. We breathe air, we walk, we agree and object; these things are common; but the Atheist mind is "Set Against" what the Christian and Muslim minds are set ' For'; and that is a significant difference. A total difference in consciousness, and consciousness is the seat of behavior.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:59 am

So I ask again. How would my evident behaviour manifest itself for you to determine whether I am an Atheist or not ?

My admitted Atheism not withstanding

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:08 am

Snowfire;1445476 wrote: So I ask again. How would my evident behaviour manifest itself for you to determine whether I am an Atheist or not ?

My admitted Atheism not withstanding

In my view it can come through your words, I don't have to literally see you do anything, but just listen to you speak; because as i have already stated, its a mind thing first, which manifest itself through our behavior. You will talk like an atheist. You talk like one now. Just look at anything you have had to say here online, and thats how Atheist talk.

If you talk like one, most likely you'll act like one. You won't go to churches; you will most likely be for gay rights; you most likely will enjoy and respect science; you will do better in marriage than Theist do; you most likely will have a chip on your shoulder, about what, who knows, but swimming against the stream does that to humans. You most likely will express yourself on message boards, to hide your identity to the public. You most likely will be in a closet at your work life.

the list is long, do I need to continue it?

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:33 am

Well firstly, I'm an admitted Atheist talking in a religious thread about Atheism, so most likely I will talk like one. I will be speaking as you will expect.

Let's see. I do go to churches. I spend much time in them and love them for what they are and the history they represent. I'm a stonemason so I have spent time, on occasions preserving and renovating such beautiful structures. I do not however, pray nor use it for worship. I am always respectful.

Gay rights. Yes I am pro gay rights but so are many Christians

I enjoy and respect science, as most Christians do. You will be left behind in the middle ages if you don't

Marriage. 37 years married and going very strong.

Chip on my shoulder. Maybe, not sure on that one but then many religious fundamentalists show very large chips on very shallow shoulders.

I dont hide my identity on message boards. I am very honest and open. The members here that I have met personally will testify to that. I cannot pretend to be what I am not.

I have no need to hide anything of myself in a closet, especially of my Atheism. I don't where a badge but will express myself openly and respectfully in a discussion. I hold no fear whatsoever. When I registered on facebook, I answered the question on my religion as thus....quote,

Atheist

I have never been comfortable with the whole concept of an omnipotent God, creation, prayer, miracles or any other type of magic or mysticism. I'm happy for others to find comfort in whatever they believe in, so long as it doesnt impact on my life. Morality is innate in us all

Your list could be as extensive as you like. You will score a few hits. A bit like a horoscope. designed to satisfy the needs and requirements for those who need to believe what they are reading, some of it always being relevant to someone.

You havent convinced me at all

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:37 am

Snowfire;1445481 wrote:

You havent convinced me at all

You have made a serious error in judgement; I am not trying to convince you of anything; I hold no interest in convincing you. I simply answered your question, I am not trying to convert you to my view of things.

I don't try to convince Atheists of anything, because I believe that they should think as they do; are predestined to think as they do; are supposed to think as they do.

Why should I convince anyone to be anything other than what they should be and think?

You don't know me.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:57 am

Mickiel;1445489 wrote: You have made a serious error in judgement; I am not trying to convince you of anything; I hold no interest in convincing you. I simply answered your question, I am not trying to convert you to my view of things.

I don't try to convince Atheists of anything, because I believe that they should think as they do; are predestined to think as they do; are supposed to think as they do.

Why should I convince anyone to be anything other than what they should be and think?

You don't know me.

No the error is with you.

I'm not convinced you have answered my question regarding your ability to judge an atheist on his behaviour. Your attempt was as convincing as a horoscope

I'm not questioning your ability or intent to convert or convince me. Even as an Atheist I know how faith works. You either have it or you don't. You can't give it nor take it away.

You don't know me either but you are convinced that you know how I think and how I behave. I showed that you clearly do not.

A serious error in judgement

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:05 pm

Snowfire;1445493 wrote: No the error is with you.

I'm not convinced you have answered my question regarding your ability to judge an atheist on his behaviour. Your attempt was as convincing as a horoscope

I'm not questioning your ability or intent to convert or convince me. Even as an Atheist I know how faith works. You either have it or you don't. You can't give it nor take it away.

You don't know me either but you are convinced that you know how I think and how I behave. I showed that you clearly do not.

A serious error in judgement

This is another example of Atheist behavior; you can show them things, and they won't see it. They are in denial in many areas;

they can't see the good that religion does, so they behave in a manner that demonizes it all. And most Atheist behave like this.

Most Atheist are white; and there is a common behavior that exist amoung Whites.

Most Atheist are male, and there is a common behavior that exist amoung males.

Most Atheist feel persecuted; and there is a common attitude that creates. Simular to a " Martyr", they remind me of what blacks went through in the early years in America.

The list is longer if you wish more of the horrorscope. ( I am sorry, " Horoscope.)"

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:32 pm

You've shown me nothing. Nothing to convince me that you know an Atheist by his behaviour.

Please show me where I show indications of persecution. I'm sure I've never felt persecution. Some may, for genuine reasons.

As an Atheist I'm not anti religion. Can religion do good ? Yes, often but it can often be a cause for much that is wrong with the world. If Christianity, Buddhism, or Islam is in your heart, then that is where it belongs, not in mine. I will fill my heart with what I choose and trust me it is full.

All this talk of behaviour is a pretence. You pretend you know all the answers about the people you clearly know little about.

Is it a fear ? A fear of the unknown manifests itself by illusion. Delusional thoughts to explain what we can't grasp

You don't know me and it frustrates you. Just enough to assign me a few well worn traits to convince yourself that you are a better man than I, or that you are in a better place.

Another serious error of judgement

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:26 pm

Snowfire;1445500 wrote:

As an Atheist I'm not anti religion. Can religion do good ? Yes,

Ahhhh, it is just a relief to see such honesty; Such confession; I am glad the archives will forever hold this example.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:44 pm

Ah nice. Selective editing.

Did you not find the rest of the post honest too ? Or was it hard to digest.

The clip you do quote is hardly a revelation. It shouldn't come as too much of a shock to one who knows so much of the thinking of Atheists

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:22 pm

Snowfire;1445528 wrote: Ah nice. Selective editing.

Did you not find the rest of the post honest too ? Or was it hard to digest.

The clip you do quote is hardly a revelation. It shouldn't come as too much of a shock to one who knows so much of the thinking of Atheists

I learn fast. And I like learning.

More on how to see Atheist behavior;

They like hanging around religious message boards

They are individuals who have discomfort grouping

They are opinionated

They don't put up a good fight

They like to gang up on religious people ; one of their few group strengths

They need to magnify anything wrong with religion

They use myths way too often

They are interested in God, but like to pretend that are not.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 4:19 am

And we clearly and easily get under some peoples skin.

That was easy

I expected much, much more

I will leave you to your insecurity

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:32 am

Snowfire;1445571 wrote: And we clearly and easily get under some peoples skin.

That was easy

I expected much, much more

I will leave you to your insecurity

Why would you expect *anything* of substance? Serious question. Granted, I've read maybe 10 total McHale posts but I haven't seen anything interesting or thought provoking in any of his writing. And I say that as an agnostic so his constant labeling of "ATHEIST!!!!1!!" doesn't apply to me.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:40 am

I began this last sequence of posts after Mikiel insisted he could tell an atheist by their behaviour. I bit. I challenged but of course, you are right. I got nothing of substance back at all. No answers at all, just a sense that he's more insecure about his own beliefs that he's rather examine the thoughts and apparent and perceived behaviour of others

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 5:59 am

And that he's a victim, a Christian martyr at the hands of the heathen Romans.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:20 am

Snowfire;1445571 wrote: And we clearly and easily get under some peoples skin.

That was easy

I expected much, much more

I will leave you to your insecurity

I have been accused of not wanting to discuss things with others and running them off; those Atheist accusations are false smoke screens; it is apparent that people run themselves off.

Peace on your run.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:22 am

Snooz;1445577 wrote: And that he's a victim, a Christian martyr at the hands of the heathen Romans.

I am not a Christian and I am not a martyr;

I am he who you cannot handle.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:28 am

I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:51 am

Snooz;1445582 wrote: I wouldn't touch you with a ten foot pole.

I understand your apprehension, I would not want you touching me. I understand why you are repelled;

I like you that way.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:06 am

Anyhow let me get this thread back on track; which is another way to recognize an Atheist, they try to derail things that tend to get you on track to the truth about God.

But I understand that, its their thing; their purpose

and to me its proof of God. We all are his children; obedient to him or not.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:55 pm

I was not to long ago asked , " What good is it to do all this writing for nothing;" I told them on that same token it could be for something. Over 45 years I have been telling people that God is real; and each passing of those years I have seen this more and more.

In those 45 years I have NEVER seen anything; any evidence or any proof that he is not real!

NEVER!!

So I will never stop telling people that he is real; and he is our Hope;

and we all will benefit from that.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:23 pm

A headache is real because you can feel it;

oh how God can be felt! Umphh!

you can feel him.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:57 am

Is God real? What does your mother and Father think about it? What would your Grandparents say about it?

What does history say about it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:18 pm

Mickiel;1445919 wrote: Is God real? What does your mother and Father think about it? What would your Grandparents say about it?

What does history say about it?

Is God important to your family backround and heritage?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:31 pm

Of course God is real, and stay tuned in to the site, I am going to spend a few weeks using Atheist to show that he is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:15 am

Atheism proves God and his power. Most people, even believers, think that unbelievers are unbelievers by choice, that is not true; if God did not purposely blind humanity , all of humanity would believe in him; if God did not hide himself, his natural pressence in reality would just shine a light on everythingelse in reality. And those in reality would just know about him. Notice a power of God in Romans 11: 8, " God gave them a

Spirit of Stupor", eyes that could not see and ears that cannot hear, down to this very day.' Here God actually blinds a whole nation from seeing him and knowing him, and this has lasted through all those generations. Its absolutely nothing for him to blind a whole world. To literally cover them from seeing anything about him that he wants hidden.

The principle is absolutely biblical.

And this is what has happened to all Atheist; they have been chosen to be blind to him; and simply cannot see him, ( meaning believe he exist, or just even conceive of him being real). A total wipe out of an area of consciousness; awesome power and proof of God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:03 am

The concept of God blinding humans is purely biblical, and from that concept we then can see the real birth of Atheism. Its something God wanted. Most Christians seem to think its something the devil wanted, they are wrong as usual. In Romans 11:32, " For God has consigned ALL men to disobedience, that he might show mercy to all." Here we can see even more depth in what God has done; he has literally handicapped ALL of humanity. NOT satan, GOD! God did this, more on why later. God has enslaved humanity to sin. God has created Atheism, and God is at the control of it all.

Simply fascinating!

An Atheist, is an Atheist, because they are SUPPOSED to be Atheist; there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with them. They are how they are, because they were meant to be what they are. And none of them could have changed that; the absolute same can be said for Theist;

and neither has an advantage or disadvantage.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:55 am

God is not against Atheist, he made them; he is against Atheism, but he needed humans to experience it; so Atheism is a calling of God as well; humans actually called to live without God in their consciousness.

Its a walk on the darkside.

I know, I walk in the darkside as well. And I am a Theist; many Theist are called to walk in darkness as well;

that is WHY religion exist; its a walk in the darkside.