Jailed for singing and chanting on a train

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:34 am

Six football fans have been jailed for chanting songs which "glorified and idolised" the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

No doubt these people were due some sort of punishment, but.........doesn't this degree of jail time make them martyrs amongst people of the same persuasion ?

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:46 am

The punishment's for putting people in a train carriage - from which there's no immediate escape - in fear of imminent violent assault. I'd happily double their sentences.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:20 am

When I saw just your headline Bruv I thought this would be about Hare Krishnas!

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:39 am

Bruv;1439234 wrote: Six football fans have been jailed for chanting songs which "glorified and idolised" the murder of Stephen Lawrence.

No doubt these people were due some sort of punishment, but.........doesn't this degree of jail time make them martyrs amongst people of the same persuasion ?

It might do but should that be a reason to give them lenient sentences? It's intimidatory behaviour why should we put up with it? Mind you I would also give jail sentences to anyone nutters that tries to intimidate and bully in order to get their own way.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:59 am

They deserved all they got....should have been longer.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:30 pm

OMG!!! It really happened. I heard about it and thought it was a joke.

My god you jail people for singing dispicable songs?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:53 pm

Stephen Lawrence was murdered In a racist attack. Glorifying his killing on a crowded train where people had no escape, Is to outrage public decency.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:59 pm

fuzzywuzzy;1439305 wrote:

My god you jail people for singing dispicable songs?

That's why the USA has so many prisoners. Not only are the songs dispicable, but the singing is worse!

Just kidding, we don't jail folks for that stuff. 1st Amendment.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:30 pm

I agree wholeheartedly with the law handing out justice that is seen to be just and reasonable.

I honestly believe this is heavy handed enough to have the opposite affect, causing a backlash from the middle ground who might now listen to the extremists who are saying that there is now 'thought crime' and we cannot speak out in our own country.

They were drunken football fans on a 15 minute journey who's "racially and sexually abusive language left people 'shocked and disgusted"

A year and a half in jail seems a tad too long and playing into the bad guys hands.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:04 pm

"now listen to the extremists who are saying that there is now 'thought crime' and we cannot speak out in our own country."

.......................but it is now proved that that is exactly the case. 15 minutes on a train? and people are acting like they've been in equivelant of the London bombing raids?...jail? you've got trouble now.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:11 pm

AnneBoleyn;1439316 wrote: That's why the USA has so many prisoners. Not only are the songs dispicable, but the singing is worse!

Just kidding, we don't jail folks for that stuff. 1st Amendment.

I suppose that's the good thing about living in an ex penal colony....... it's not bad to sing baudy songs. I'ts certainly not a hanging offence lol lol lol .

Týr · Post by **Týr** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:00 am

The problem is that England did away with the pillory as a legal reaction to gits like these. A few hours locked into the stocks being laughed at and pelted with ordure by passers-by on the forecourt of the railway station is an appropriate penalty. Laughter and humiliation is a lot cheaper than jailing them. Sadly it's been taken off the statute books.

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:00 am

I could understand severe punishment if they were singing Car 54

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:18 am

tude dog;1439355 wrote: I could understand severe punishment if they were singing Car 54

Ha! You'll never get it out of your head now! Learn to love it, as I did!

tude dog · Post by **tude dog** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:45 am

AnneBoleyn;1439359 wrote: Ha! You'll never get it out of your head now! Learn to love it, as I did!

It doesn't help you had to clarify

Kruschev's due at Idlewild..........

Car 54, Where Are You?"

I didn't grow up there, didn't know Idlewild was one word.

Idle wild..........

Idle and wild at the same time, just something I might expect from NYC.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:59 am

fuzzywuzzy;1439338 wrote: I suppose that's the good thing about living in an ex penal colony....... it's not bad to sing baudy songs. I'ts certainly not a hanging offence lol lol lol .

This wasn't a bawdy raucous bit of behaviour this was naked racism designed to offend. They also clamp down on sectarian singing (in scotland that is) in certain places for the same reason it quite often leads on to violence Orange walks or loyalist parades aren't particularly nice either if the wrong sort of element is present and is really no fun at all if you get caught up in it but I wouldn't ban them - a group of drunken football fans on a train is a whole different ball game (no pun intended). They were out to cause trouble. Why should we put up with that crap?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:52 am

gmc;1439366 wrote: This wasn't a bawdy raucous bit of behaviour this was naked racism designed to offend. They also clamp down on sectarian singing (in scotland that is) in certain places for the same reason it quite often leads on to violence Orange walks or loyalist parades aren't particularly nice either if the wrong sort of element is present and is really no fun at all if you get caught up in it but I wouldn't ban them - a group of drunken football fans on a train is a whole different ball game (no pun intended). They were out to cause trouble. Why should we put up with that crap? I couldn't agree more Auld Yin.

It's fair to say I'm no shrinking violet but I had two such experiences when stuck on a train with drunken football fans.

The first was when I was round 19 years old and I made the mistake of getting a train from Portsmouth which stopped at Fratten Park and around 200 fand boarded the train.

The second was the delight of being stuck on a train with Millwall supporters for an hour.

I wasn't harmed In any way and I was left alone and not a target but the simple fact that you can not get away and get out Is frightening.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:43 pm

What we don't know is the history of those jailed, that is the only thing missing to warrant a year and a half jail time in my opinion

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:10 pm

Bruv;1439382 wrote: What we don't know is the history of those jailed, that is the only thing missing to warrant a year and a half jail time in my opinion

That's a very good point... must have had previous.