Mickiel;1434615 wrote: This is so insulting; my Mom died Feb. 15th, this year, at 11:00 at night. My best friend in the world, and it hurt me and my family so much. Still hurts.
You should never insult people like this, because you never know what they have with their parents.
What you should have done Mickiel, Is to have reported Anne's post at the time. I am sorry about the loss of your Mother and that must have been a horrible thing to read so soon after her death.
I also think you have done an excellent job of defending yourself here.
The way I see It, Is you are using the religious forum within the forum. It's those who don't use the religious section that are complaining because your threads show up on the home page.
My problem here Is the way this thread was posted last night and then the author not returning, I assume, hoping that others would fight her corner, I don't like that. In fact, there's a name for It ' Proxy Recruitment'. If I were to write such a thread last thing at night, I would at least stick around for the fireworks.
Anne could have used the report function and green members could have discussed It behind the scenes without all of this on the open forum and without you having to explain yourself to anyone. If Anne had posted a thread simply stating that the front page was full of religious threads with a discuss mode, It wouldn't be as bad but the title of the thread alone Is Inciting others to come In and gang up and Ahso couldn't come In quick enough to Insult also. The OP was nothing short of a ' he goes or I go ' and I am sure Bryn nor moderators here entertain blackmail.
What actually p.isses me off all the more Is that while other members who have no Interest In religion take the option of not entering your threads exactly the same, say, as members who have no Interest In horse racing choose not to enter my threads, Anne and Ahso have chosen to enter your threads. When things haven't gone their way, they demand you are banned.
I am actually pleased to see you have had some support here.
I think It's disgraceful that from someone who very rarely posts new threads themselves, then makes demands about what others post or how many they post.
It's very simple, If a member Is not Interested In a particular subject, then don't go posting In those threads and then whine because things haven't gone the way they hoped.
Better still, at least have the balls to stick around after you've posted the thread.
"Proxy Recruitment is a way of controlling or abusing another person by manipulating other people into unwittingly backing you up, speaking for you or "doing your dirty work" for you.
"The goal in proxy recruitment is to gain the upper hand in a relationship or in a conflict by getting other people involved. This often takes the form of false accusations, smear campaigns or distortion campaigns in which the victim is portrayed as an abuser.
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Politics is testable and verifiable, what Micky posts isn't. Also, he uses whatever excuse he can to avoid carrying a conversation forward after it reaches a certain point. That's spamming. Politics is governance that is critical to all people while religion is exclusive.
If a member posts content that is strictly for the purpose of proselytizing and does not intend to have real give and take, put them where they can do their preaching and no one who actually cares about the content of the forum have to deal with.
That said, I would include in that category content for the purpose of ridiculing others. Stuff like>> http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/peopl ... highlight=
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http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/gener ... highlight=
If a member posts content that is strictly for the purpose of proselytizing and does not intend to have real give and take, put them where they can do their preaching and no one who actually cares about the content of the forum have to deal with.
That said, I would include in that category content for the purpose of ridiculing others. Stuff like>> http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/peopl ... highlight=
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oscar;1434641 wrote: What you should have done Mickiel, Is to have reported Anne's post at the time. I am sorry about the loss of your Mother and that must have been a horrible thing to read so soon after her death.
I also think you have done an excellent job of defending yourself here.
The way I see It, Is you are using the religious forum within the forum. It's those who don't use the religious section that are complaining because your threads show up on the home page.
My problem here Is the way this thread was posted last night and then the author not returning, I assume, hoping that others would fight her corner, I don't like that. In fact, there's a name for It ' Proxy Recruitment'. If I were to write such a thread last thing at night, I would at least stick around for the fireworks.
Anne could have used the report function and green members could have discussed It behind the scenes without all of this on the open forum and without you having to explain yourself to anyone. If Anne had posted a thread simply stating that the front page was full of religious threads with a discuss mode, It wouldn't be as bad but the title of the thread alone Is Inciting others to come In and gang up and Ahso couldn't come In quick enough to Insult also. The OP was nothing short of a ' he goes or I go ' and I am sure Bryn nor moderators here entertain blackmail.
What actually p.isses me off all the more Is that while other members who have no Interest In religion take the option of not entering your threads exactly the same, say, as members who have no Interest In horse racing choose not to enter my threads, Anne and Ahso have chosen to enter your threads. When things haven't gone their way, they demand you are banned.
I am actually pleased to see you have had some support here.
I think It's disgraceful that from someone who very rarely posts new threads themselves, then makes demands about what others post or how many they post.
It's very simple, If a member Is not Interested In a particular subject, then don't go posting In those threads and then whine because things haven't gone the way they hoped.
Better still, at least have the balls to stick around after you've posted the thread.
"Proxy Recruitment is a way of controlling or abusing another person by manipulating other people into unwittingly backing you up, speaking for you or "doing your dirty work" for you.
"The goal in proxy recruitment is to gain the upper hand in a relationship or in a conflict by getting other people involved. This often takes the form of false accusations, smear campaigns or distortion campaigns in which the victim is portrayed as an abuser.
Proxy Recruitment
Well I could have reported her, but she did not know my parents had died, and Mom so recently; not to excuse her insult, but I held no need to want her to be in trouble, and absolutely no desire to get her in trouble. And I was able to absorb the insult; I mean it bothered me, but I can deal with that, I don't need Forumgarden to deal with people for me. I know what she is doing, and I think I understand why. It comes with the territory I am traveling; and I understand that. But I am glad you see through this type of thing. And that others are seeing through it. Forumgarden has had tons of threads over the years I have been here, I have NEVER spammed not ONE of them! Never insulted anyones parents, and NEVER cursed at anyone! I mean not once. I have never been issued any kind of warning from Moderators, not to my memory. In fact, Ahso sent me a friend request that I accepted just recently, then he turns around and behaves like this; I just unchecked it yesterday.
There is much I could say about WHY they have tried this, but I will keep those opinions to myself. I even wished Anne good luck in her witch hunt. Just trying to be nice about it.
I also think you have done an excellent job of defending yourself here.
The way I see It, Is you are using the religious forum within the forum. It's those who don't use the religious section that are complaining because your threads show up on the home page.
My problem here Is the way this thread was posted last night and then the author not returning, I assume, hoping that others would fight her corner, I don't like that. In fact, there's a name for It ' Proxy Recruitment'. If I were to write such a thread last thing at night, I would at least stick around for the fireworks.
Anne could have used the report function and green members could have discussed It behind the scenes without all of this on the open forum and without you having to explain yourself to anyone. If Anne had posted a thread simply stating that the front page was full of religious threads with a discuss mode, It wouldn't be as bad but the title of the thread alone Is Inciting others to come In and gang up and Ahso couldn't come In quick enough to Insult also. The OP was nothing short of a ' he goes or I go ' and I am sure Bryn nor moderators here entertain blackmail.
What actually p.isses me off all the more Is that while other members who have no Interest In religion take the option of not entering your threads exactly the same, say, as members who have no Interest In horse racing choose not to enter my threads, Anne and Ahso have chosen to enter your threads. When things haven't gone their way, they demand you are banned.
I am actually pleased to see you have had some support here.
I think It's disgraceful that from someone who very rarely posts new threads themselves, then makes demands about what others post or how many they post.
It's very simple, If a member Is not Interested In a particular subject, then don't go posting In those threads and then whine because things haven't gone the way they hoped.
Better still, at least have the balls to stick around after you've posted the thread.
"Proxy Recruitment is a way of controlling or abusing another person by manipulating other people into unwittingly backing you up, speaking for you or "doing your dirty work" for you.
"The goal in proxy recruitment is to gain the upper hand in a relationship or in a conflict by getting other people involved. This often takes the form of false accusations, smear campaigns or distortion campaigns in which the victim is portrayed as an abuser.
Proxy Recruitment
Well I could have reported her, but she did not know my parents had died, and Mom so recently; not to excuse her insult, but I held no need to want her to be in trouble, and absolutely no desire to get her in trouble. And I was able to absorb the insult; I mean it bothered me, but I can deal with that, I don't need Forumgarden to deal with people for me. I know what she is doing, and I think I understand why. It comes with the territory I am traveling; and I understand that. But I am glad you see through this type of thing. And that others are seeing through it. Forumgarden has had tons of threads over the years I have been here, I have NEVER spammed not ONE of them! Never insulted anyones parents, and NEVER cursed at anyone! I mean not once. I have never been issued any kind of warning from Moderators, not to my memory. In fact, Ahso sent me a friend request that I accepted just recently, then he turns around and behaves like this; I just unchecked it yesterday.
There is much I could say about WHY they have tried this, but I will keep those opinions to myself. I even wished Anne good luck in her witch hunt. Just trying to be nice about it.
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Well, I vote "Nay" as well.
Sure, I have felt a bit annoyed when I see one user loading up the page with thread, after thread, too, but when things are slow, and not many people are posting new threads, that happens.
At least Mickiel is posting original material, usually his own musings, and not just dragging crap from other forums and dumping it here.
And he doesn't just dive-bomb the place and never return to support his points.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.
Sure, I have felt a bit annoyed when I see one user loading up the page with thread, after thread, too, but when things are slow, and not many people are posting new threads, that happens.
At least Mickiel is posting original material, usually his own musings, and not just dragging crap from other forums and dumping it here.
And he doesn't just dive-bomb the place and never return to support his points.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.
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Oscar, I leave every night at the same time. I have a family I pay attention to.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is. I am convinced most of the views are his, I see him obsessively viewing his own threads over & over & over on Who's Online.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is. I am convinced most of the views are his, I see him obsessively viewing his own threads over & over & over on Who's Online.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
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LarsMac;1434645 wrote: Well, I vote "Nay" as well.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.
Are you surprised that I agree with you? Just seeing him day after day, massaging his own ego for his own selfish purposes was the straw that broke my back. I didn't feel like restraining my disgust any longer, in the mode that he can't restrain himself either.
Okay, I withdraw my petition. Humbly of course.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.
Are you surprised that I agree with you? Just seeing him day after day, massaging his own ego for his own selfish purposes was the straw that broke my back. I didn't feel like restraining my disgust any longer, in the mode that he can't restrain himself either.
Okay, I withdraw my petition. Humbly of course.
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AnneBoleyn;1434646 wrote: Oscar, I leave every night at the same time. I have a family I pay attention to.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
I hold no need to report you, or to insult you; your lack of apology speaks volumes to me. Your attitude towards my parents is appalling. You are transparent and I see through you. I see what you are trying to do; and I still wish you good luck in doing it.
Peace.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
I hold no need to report you, or to insult you; your lack of apology speaks volumes to me. Your attitude towards my parents is appalling. You are transparent and I see through you. I see what you are trying to do; and I still wish you good luck in doing it.
Peace.
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I just want to thank Ahso! & Snooze (now that's a strange combination!) for their depth of understanding. 
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AnneBoleyn;1434646 wrote: Oscar, I leave every night at the same time. I have a family I pay attention to.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is. I am convinced most of the views are his, I see him obsessively viewing his own threads over & over & over on Who's Online.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
That Is disgusting.
My Mother died several years ago and I am still not over her. I don't need to grow up. I miss her every day of my life as I do my Father and my Sister. You should see me when I visit the graves, I am a wreck. Who are you to judge ?
Have a look at what you've written here. First of all, the forum for as long as I can remember has had members who multi-post taking up the front page. Mickiel Is no different to Truth, Pahu, Raj, Jessica etc etc so why are you honing In on him and not the others? Because, your thread Is not a discussion, It's a witch-hunt plain and clear to anyone reading this.
Then you tell him he's not worth talking to. Can you hear yourself ? You entered his threads. He has not entered yours. I don't blame him for not entering Into a discussion with you. You are entering threads you say you have no Interest In. That's trolling.
Sorry Anne but If anyone Is acting like a child, then It's you. You are throwing a hissy fit.
I do not read his threads. If I see SOMEONE ELSE'S name there I do look, in the hope there is some discussion, but of course there never is. I am convinced most of the views are his, I see him obsessively viewing his own threads over & over & over on Who's Online.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up. Report away, such things only show the depth of immaturity. As you say, Peace on your Journey, you're just not worth talking to. You're an obsessive, sick little man. IMO, of course.
That Is disgusting.
My Mother died several years ago and I am still not over her. I don't need to grow up. I miss her every day of my life as I do my Father and my Sister. You should see me when I visit the graves, I am a wreck. Who are you to judge ?
Have a look at what you've written here. First of all, the forum for as long as I can remember has had members who multi-post taking up the front page. Mickiel Is no different to Truth, Pahu, Raj, Jessica etc etc so why are you honing In on him and not the others? Because, your thread Is not a discussion, It's a witch-hunt plain and clear to anyone reading this.
Then you tell him he's not worth talking to. Can you hear yourself ? You entered his threads. He has not entered yours. I don't blame him for not entering Into a discussion with you. You are entering threads you say you have no Interest In. That's trolling.
Sorry Anne but If anyone Is acting like a child, then It's you. You are throwing a hissy fit.
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oscar;1434652 wrote: That Is disgusting.
My Mother died several years ago and I am still not over her. I don't need to grow up. I miss her every day of my life as I do my Father and my Sister. You should see me when I visit the graves, I am a wreck. Who are you to judge ?
Have a look at what you've written here. First of all, the forum for as long as I can remember has had members who multi-post taking up the front page. Mickiel Is no different to Truth, Pahu, Raj, Jessica etc etc so why are you honing In on him and not the others? Because, your thread Is not a discussion, It's a witch-hunt plain and clear to anyone reading this.
Then you tell him he's not worth talking to. Can you hear yourself ? You entered his threads. He has not entered yours. I don't blame him for not entering Into a discussion with you. You are entering threads you say you have no Interest In. That's trolling.
You have no idea of all the dead I still mourn Oscar. So, who are You to judge? Oh right. You are You.
My Mother died several years ago and I am still not over her. I don't need to grow up. I miss her every day of my life as I do my Father and my Sister. You should see me when I visit the graves, I am a wreck. Who are you to judge ?
Have a look at what you've written here. First of all, the forum for as long as I can remember has had members who multi-post taking up the front page. Mickiel Is no different to Truth, Pahu, Raj, Jessica etc etc so why are you honing In on him and not the others? Because, your thread Is not a discussion, It's a witch-hunt plain and clear to anyone reading this.
Then you tell him he's not worth talking to. Can you hear yourself ? You entered his threads. He has not entered yours. I don't blame him for not entering Into a discussion with you. You are entering threads you say you have no Interest In. That's trolling.
You have no idea of all the dead I still mourn Oscar. So, who are You to judge? Oh right. You are You.
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AnneBoleyn;1434651 wrote: I just want to thank Ahso! & Snooze (now that's a strange combination!) for their depth of understanding. What you really mean Is ' I'd like to thank the two people who took my side.
Snooze and I understand each other enough that we can disagree like adults. Shame you don't have the same understanding.
What you really mean Is ' I'd like to thank the two people who took my side.Snooze and I understand each other enough that we can disagree like adults. Shame you don't have the same understanding.
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AnneBoleyn;1434653 wrote: You have no idea of all the dead I still mourn Oscar. So, who are You to judge? Oh right. You are You.
Believe me... If you mourned the dead, you would not write:
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up.
Believe me... If you mourned the dead, you would not write:
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up.
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oscar;1434654 wrote: What you really mean Is ' I'd like to thank the two people who took my side.
Snooze and I understand each other enough that we can disagree like adults. Shame you don't have the same understanding.
Don't know how you can say that as I overlook your obvious racism & go beyond that, understanding your reasoning & taking into account the many ways that I find you worthy.
Snooze and I understand each other enough that we can disagree like adults. Shame you don't have the same understanding.
Don't know how you can say that as I overlook your obvious racism & go beyond that, understanding your reasoning & taking into account the many ways that I find you worthy.
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oscar;1434655 wrote: Believe me... If you mourned the dead, you would not write:
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up.
Oh please have the last word as you always must.
At your age, Mickiel, almost everyone's parents have died, or are about to. Grow up.
Oh please have the last word as you always must.
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AnneBoleyn;1434651 wrote: I just want to thank Ahso! & Snooze (now that's a strange combination!) for their depth of understanding.
Their dept of understanding? I can't believe this; your thanking them for joining in and calling me names and joining your witch hunt, and that is " Depth of understanding?" Maybe they will also understand why you withdrew your lynching mob; its not enough in the mob.
But I can at least honor your withdrawal, however serious it was.
Their dept of understanding? I can't believe this; your thanking them for joining in and calling me names and joining your witch hunt, and that is " Depth of understanding?" Maybe they will also understand why you withdrew your lynching mob; its not enough in the mob.
But I can at least honor your withdrawal, however serious it was.
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AnneBoleyn;1434656 wrote: Don't know how you can say that as I overlook your obvious racism & go beyond that, understanding your reasoning & taking into account the many ways that I find you worthy.
Take some responsibility here Anne. You wrote the thread. You lit the blue touch paper and now you want the fireworks put out.
I'd have more respect for you If you just said ' OK, maybe I was a little hasty'...
And as for me being racist. I don't give a feck If you think I am. The thread Is not about me so nice try on the deflection technique. Even more amusing that I am writing this on my husbands desk because 4 Turkish Muslims are sat on my sofa's having Turkish tea with my husband. Nice try.
Take some responsibility here Anne. You wrote the thread. You lit the blue touch paper and now you want the fireworks put out.
I'd have more respect for you If you just said ' OK, maybe I was a little hasty'...
And as for me being racist. I don't give a feck If you think I am. The thread Is not about me so nice try on the deflection technique. Even more amusing that I am writing this on my husbands desk because 4 Turkish Muslims are sat on my sofa's having Turkish tea with my husband. Nice try.
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oscar;1434641 wrote:
"Proxy Recruitment is a way of controlling or abusing another person by manipulating other people into unwittingly backing you up, speaking for you or "doing your dirty work" for you.
"The goal in proxy recruitment is to gain the upper hand in a relationship or in a conflict by getting other people involved. This often takes the form of false accusations, smear campaigns or distortion campaigns in which the victim is portrayed as an abuser.
Proxy Recruitment
I never knew it had a name! Thank you for that!
"Proxy Recruitment is a way of controlling or abusing another person by manipulating other people into unwittingly backing you up, speaking for you or "doing your dirty work" for you.
"The goal in proxy recruitment is to gain the upper hand in a relationship or in a conflict by getting other people involved. This often takes the form of false accusations, smear campaigns or distortion campaigns in which the victim is portrayed as an abuser.
Proxy Recruitment
I never knew it had a name! Thank you for that!
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A member in post #49 mentioned the name Jones Jones. He’s busy right now so he asked me to contribute to this thread slash poll on his behalf. (Just kidding!)
Sure Mickiel’s threads rub many people, me included, up the wrong way especially when he posts answers to his own threads.
As a born again atheist I believe that about 80% of Christian theology was cribbed from much older religious beliefs such as those of Ancient Egypt, while the other 20% was invented in AD325 at The Council of Nicea.
Here the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine presided over a group of bishops and other leaders … their brief to: “eliminate confusion and controversy within the church.” They sorted out the deity of a wandering prophet Jesus and defined and affirmed the so called Trinity. Oh and also the correct date for Easter and other suchlike matters. This was done very democratically by vote but only after Constantine had ordered them to make a majority decision.
As for that best selling work of fiction called “The Holy Bible” … this is a Roman Catholic book written by the church for the church. They never did say how they decided which myths went into the Bible and which ones did not. An educated guess has always been that any myth that contradicted the other myths was omitted and also those myths which “seemed to have no truth to them.”
All the above is very clear to atheists. However as children, the Christians of today who would otherwise never have believed in the bible were taught to do so from a very young age by their parents, educators and church.
Today these brainwashed earthlings refuse to believe anything other than which they were taught to believe and inter-acting with them in threads such as those posted by Mickiel, is really a fruitless exercise. It is for that reason I seldom, but sometimes out of sheer frustration, do reply to these threads.
But vote to ban another member? Sorry Annie dear but I cannot agree with you.
So I vote nay.
Sure Mickiel’s threads rub many people, me included, up the wrong way especially when he posts answers to his own threads.
As a born again atheist I believe that about 80% of Christian theology was cribbed from much older religious beliefs such as those of Ancient Egypt, while the other 20% was invented in AD325 at The Council of Nicea.
Here the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine presided over a group of bishops and other leaders … their brief to: “eliminate confusion and controversy within the church.” They sorted out the deity of a wandering prophet Jesus and defined and affirmed the so called Trinity. Oh and also the correct date for Easter and other suchlike matters. This was done very democratically by vote but only after Constantine had ordered them to make a majority decision.
As for that best selling work of fiction called “The Holy Bible” … this is a Roman Catholic book written by the church for the church. They never did say how they decided which myths went into the Bible and which ones did not. An educated guess has always been that any myth that contradicted the other myths was omitted and also those myths which “seemed to have no truth to them.”
All the above is very clear to atheists. However as children, the Christians of today who would otherwise never have believed in the bible were taught to do so from a very young age by their parents, educators and church.
Today these brainwashed earthlings refuse to believe anything other than which they were taught to believe and inter-acting with them in threads such as those posted by Mickiel, is really a fruitless exercise. It is for that reason I seldom, but sometimes out of sheer frustration, do reply to these threads.
But vote to ban another member? Sorry Annie dear but I cannot agree with you.
So I vote nay.
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tabby;1434660 wrote: I never knew it had a name! Thank you for that! You're welcome. It's actually something that UK police are beginning to recognise as a crime along with ' Harrassment By Proxy'. The abuser Invariably portrays themselves as the victim and uses others to abuse their victim by making false allegations to the police or the authorities.
Something else that Is being considered a crime Is ' Bait racism'... this Is where the abuser falsly claims the victim Is racist In order to gain the upper hand or shut down an argument.
Something else that Is being considered a crime Is ' Bait racism'... this Is where the abuser falsly claims the victim Is racist In order to gain the upper hand or shut down an argument.
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Now I'm curious about Mickiel's threads. Which would be a good one to read? Mickiel, are you actually looking for responses to your threads or are your threads primarily for your thoughts and musings?
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jones jones;1434661 wrote: A member in post #49 mentioned the name Jones Jones. Hes busy right now so he asked me to contribute to this thread slash poll on his behalf. (Just kidding!)
Sure Mickiels threads rub many people, me included, up the wrong way especially when he posts answers to his own threads.
As a born again atheist I believe that about 80% of Christian theology was cribbed from much older religious beliefs such as those of Ancient Egypt, while the other 20% was invented in AD325 at The Council of Nicea.
Here the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine presided over a group of bishops and other leaders their brief to: eliminate confusion and controversy within the church. They sorted out the deity of a wandering prophet Jesus and defined and affirmed the so called Trinity. Oh and also the correct date for Easter and other suchlike matters. This was done very democratically by vote but only after Constantine had ordered them to make a majority decision.
As for that best selling work of fiction called The Holy Bible this is a Roman Catholic book written by the church for the church. They never did say how they decided which myths went into the Bible and which ones did not. An educated guess has always been that any myth that contradicted the other myths was omitted and also those myths which seemed to have no truth to them.
All the above is very clear to atheists. However as children, the Christians of today who would otherwise never have believed in the bible were taught to do so from a very young age by their parents, educators and church.
Today these brainwashed earthlings refuse to believe anything other than which they were taught to believe and inter-acting with them in threads such as those posted by Mickiel, is really a fruitless exercise. It is for that reason I seldom, but sometimes out of sheer frustration, do reply to these threads.
But vote to ban another member? Sorry Annie dear but I cannot agree with you.
So I vote nay.
I am not a Christian and I do not post Christian theology; because I do not agree with it. I post my own views.
Sure Mickiels threads rub many people, me included, up the wrong way especially when he posts answers to his own threads.
As a born again atheist I believe that about 80% of Christian theology was cribbed from much older religious beliefs such as those of Ancient Egypt, while the other 20% was invented in AD325 at The Council of Nicea.
Here the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine presided over a group of bishops and other leaders their brief to: eliminate confusion and controversy within the church. They sorted out the deity of a wandering prophet Jesus and defined and affirmed the so called Trinity. Oh and also the correct date for Easter and other suchlike matters. This was done very democratically by vote but only after Constantine had ordered them to make a majority decision.
As for that best selling work of fiction called The Holy Bible this is a Roman Catholic book written by the church for the church. They never did say how they decided which myths went into the Bible and which ones did not. An educated guess has always been that any myth that contradicted the other myths was omitted and also those myths which seemed to have no truth to them.
All the above is very clear to atheists. However as children, the Christians of today who would otherwise never have believed in the bible were taught to do so from a very young age by their parents, educators and church.
Today these brainwashed earthlings refuse to believe anything other than which they were taught to believe and inter-acting with them in threads such as those posted by Mickiel, is really a fruitless exercise. It is for that reason I seldom, but sometimes out of sheer frustration, do reply to these threads.
But vote to ban another member? Sorry Annie dear but I cannot agree with you.
So I vote nay.
I am not a Christian and I do not post Christian theology; because I do not agree with it. I post my own views.
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tabby;1434663 wrote: Now I'm curious about Mickiel's threads. Which would be a good one to read? Mickiel, are you actually looking for responses to your threads or are your threads primarily for your thoughts and musings?
Both are happening. I respond to all questions and inquirys. And as long as people read, I write. The only standard I have is that if they start name calling, I stop communicating with them for the most part;
but I am not looking for readers; it makes no difference to me.
Both are happening. I respond to all questions and inquirys. And as long as people read, I write. The only standard I have is that if they start name calling, I stop communicating with them for the most part;
but I am not looking for readers; it makes no difference to me.
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But you know, I am not going to post for a while, not on my threads, only to let this " First page" thing get me off of that page. Although I disagree with this witch hunt, I am sensitive to this first page thing being flooded and I am concerned with that.
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Mickiel;1434666 wrote: But you know, I am not going to post for a while, not on my threads, only to let this " First page" thing get me off of that page. Although I disagree with this witch hunt, I am sensitive to this first page thing being flooded and I am concerned with that.
I think you have behaved Impeccably throughout this thread and have offered compromise.
Now, If you'll excuse me, this old racist has to brew more tea for 4 burly Muslims on her sofa's.
I think you have behaved Impeccably throughout this thread and have offered compromise.
Now, If you'll excuse me, this old racist has to brew more tea for 4 burly Muslims on her sofa's.
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' OK, maybe I was a little hasty'...
As part of my spiritual evolution I will forgive myself.
As part of my spiritual evolution I will forgive myself.
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AnneBoleyn;1434668 wrote: ' OK, maybe I was a little hasty'...
As part of my spiritual evolution I will forgive myself.
Its okay Annie ... Don't beat yourself up about it ... To err is human & to forgive divine and I also forgive you ... Mwaaaah & hug for you!
As part of my spiritual evolution I will forgive myself.
Its okay Annie ... Don't beat yourself up about it ... To err is human & to forgive divine and I also forgive you ... Mwaaaah & hug for you!
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You can't burn the book just because you don't like the content. Now does it get annoying with his threads taking up front page all the time? Yes. It is more like blogging than interacting with other forum members but not a big enough deal to call for a ban.
Mickiel, I don't think it was a witch hunt, just people getting frustrations, thought and opinions off their chests just as you do in your multiple threads.
As Ted used to say:
Shalom
Mickiel, I don't think it was a witch hunt, just people getting frustrations, thought and opinions off their chests just as you do in your multiple threads.
As Ted used to say:
Shalom
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oscar;1434667 wrote: I think you have behaved Impeccably throughout this thread and have offered compromise.
Now, If you'll excuse me, this old racist has to brew more tea for 4 burly Muslims on her sofa's.
Burly? Are they hairy? Hairy people bug me.
Now, If you'll excuse me, this old racist has to brew more tea for 4 burly Muslims on her sofa's.
Burly? Are they hairy? Hairy people bug me.
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YZGI;1434672 wrote: Burly? Are they hairy? Hairy people bug me. All Turkish men are hairy as are the women. There Is actually a very surreal conversation going on this house right now. My husband Is painstakingly trying to explain why they can't just go out and shoot the rats In the new house they've just bought.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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YZGI;1434672 wrote: Burly? Are they hairy? Hairy people bug me.
oscar;1434674 wrote: All Turkish men are hairy as are the women. There Is actually a very surreal conversation going on this house right now. My husband Is painstakingly trying to explain why they can't just go out and shoot the rats In the new house they've just bought.
That was actually kind of a joke.
oscar;1434674 wrote: All Turkish men are hairy as are the women. There Is actually a very surreal conversation going on this house right now. My husband Is painstakingly trying to explain why they can't just go out and shoot the rats In the new house they've just bought.
That was actually kind of a joke.
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YZGI;1434676 wrote: That was actually kind of a joke. Sorry but It was the Boeing 747 effect... way over the top of my head.
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oscar;1434677 wrote: Sorry but It was the Boeing 747 effect... way over the top of my head.
I know, bigot jokes never go over well.
I know, bigot jokes never go over well.
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YZGI;1434679 wrote: I know, bigot jokes never go over well.
I think It's more the time lapse thing. You're six hours behind me.... But then, you Americans always arrive late.
WW2 for example.
:sneaky::sneaky::p:p
I think It's more the time lapse thing. You're six hours behind me.... But then, you Americans always arrive late.
WW2 for example.
:sneaky::sneaky::p:p
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1434680 wrote: I think It's more the time lapse thing. You're six hours behind me.... But then, you Americans always arrive late.
WW2 for example.
:sneaky::sneaky::p:p
It took us a while to decide who we wanted to win.
WW2 for example.
:sneaky::sneaky::p:p
It took us a while to decide who we wanted to win.
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Mickiel;1434658 wrote: Their dept of understanding? I can't believe this; your thanking them for joining in and calling me names and joining your witch hunt, and that is " Depth of understanding?" Maybe they will also understand why you withdrew your lynching mob; its not enough in the mob.
But I can at least honor your withdrawal, however serious it was.
I didn't call you a name. I prefer to pretend you don't exist but that's hard to do when you insist on sucking all the oxygen out of the room. You're doing a fine job of playing the victim though.
But I can at least honor your withdrawal, however serious it was.
I didn't call you a name. I prefer to pretend you don't exist but that's hard to do when you insist on sucking all the oxygen out of the room. You're doing a fine job of playing the victim though.
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YZGI;1434671 wrote: You can't burn the book just because you don't like the content. Now does it get annoying with his threads taking up front page all the time? Yes. It is more like blogging than interacting with other forum members but not a big enough deal to call for a ban.
Mickiel, I don't think it was a witch hunt, just people getting frustrations, thought and opinions off their chests just as you do in your multiple threads.
As Ted used to say:
Shalom
Well I would hope your right. I can understand getting things off your chest, I just can't understand insulting peoples parents and personage because you don't agree with them.
Mickiel, I don't think it was a witch hunt, just people getting frustrations, thought and opinions off their chests just as you do in your multiple threads.
As Ted used to say:
Shalom
Well I would hope your right. I can understand getting things off your chest, I just can't understand insulting peoples parents and personage because you don't agree with them.
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SnoozeAgain;1434682 wrote: I didn't call you a name. I prefer to pretend you don't exist but that's hard to do when you insist on sucking all the oxygen out of the room. You're doing a fine job of playing the victim though.
I don't know you, and I don't play victim in my book; I just responded to a thread that asked that I be banned; what would you suggest I should have done in response? I will not post on my threads until this front page is clear. I have not insulted those who insulted me. I have not contacted any site moderator, and I am not trying to start a lynch mob response.
But yet you think I am playing some sob victim game.
Good grief; we humans truly do see things differently.
I don't know you, and I don't play victim in my book; I just responded to a thread that asked that I be banned; what would you suggest I should have done in response? I will not post on my threads until this front page is clear. I have not insulted those who insulted me. I have not contacted any site moderator, and I am not trying to start a lynch mob response.
But yet you think I am playing some sob victim game.
Good grief; we humans truly do see things differently.
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Mickiel;1434687 wrote: I don't know you, and I don't play victim in my book; I just responded to a thread that asked that I be banned; what would you suggest I should have done in response? I will not post on my threads until this front page is clear. I have not insulted those who insulted me. I have not contacted any site moderator, and I am not trying to start a lynch mob response.
But yet you think I am playing some sob victim game.
Good grief; we humans truly do see things differently.
Mickiel, why can't you post most of your thoughts in 1 or 2 threads? I have read a lot of them and it seems to me that 1 or 2 threads would appease everyone and you can blog to your wits end.
But yet you think I am playing some sob victim game.
Good grief; we humans truly do see things differently.
Mickiel, why can't you post most of your thoughts in 1 or 2 threads? I have read a lot of them and it seems to me that 1 or 2 threads would appease everyone and you can blog to your wits end.
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YZGI;1434689 wrote: Mickiel, why can't you post most of your thoughts in 1 or 2 threads? I have read a lot of them and it seems to me that 1 or 2 threads would appease everyone and you can blog to your wits end.
I did that for 6 years, this is the first time I posted so many threads at once; I did it because the religious section was very slow; trying to perk it up;
but trust me, I doubt if I ever do it again; good grief!
I did that for 6 years, this is the first time I posted so many threads at once; I did it because the religious section was very slow; trying to perk it up;
but trust me, I doubt if I ever do it again; good grief!
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YZGI;1434689 wrote: Mickiel, why can't you post most of your thoughts in 1 or 2 threads? I have read a lot of them and it seems to me that 1 or 2 threads would appease everyone and you can blog to your wits end.
Perfect. The journal area would work as well.
Perfect. The journal area would work as well.
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SnoozeAgain;1434691 wrote: Perfect. The journal area would work as well.I suggested both options to Mickey a couple of years ago and he accused me of attacking him. :guitarist
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Mickiel;1434650 wrote: I hold no need to report you, or to insult you; your lack of apology speaks volumes to me. Your attitude towards my parents is appalling. You are transparent and I see through you. I see what you are trying to do; and I still wish you good luck in doing it.
Peace.*said as the thorny crown is placed upon his head*
Peace.*said as the thorny crown is placed upon his head*
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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YZGI;1434689 wrote: Mickiel, why can't you post most of your thoughts in 1 or 2 threads? I have read a lot of them and it seems to me that 1 or 2 threads would appease everyone and you can blog to your wits end.
Fabulous suggestion; a great compromise. I sincerely hope that is the road he will travel on.
Fabulous suggestion; a great compromise. I sincerely hope that is the road he will travel on.
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LarsMac;1434645 wrote: Well, I vote "Nay" as well.
Sure, I have felt a bit annoyed when I see one user loading up the page with thread, after thread, too, but when things are slow, and not many people are posting new threads, that happens.
At least Mickiel is posting original material, usually his own musings, and not just dragging crap from other forums and dumping it here.
And he doesn't just dive-bomb the place and never return to support his points.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.Mickey doesn't support the majority of his points. And he does copy and paste the points he does try to defend in passing.
These spammers have been thrown off so many forums they know how to walk up to the line without crossing it. That's Mickey and Pahu. Answer a question with a question or play the victim.
Sure, I have felt a bit annoyed when I see one user loading up the page with thread, after thread, too, but when things are slow, and not many people are posting new threads, that happens.
At least Mickiel is posting original material, usually his own musings, and not just dragging crap from other forums and dumping it here.
And he doesn't just dive-bomb the place and never return to support his points.
Sorry, Anne, but I believe you're over-reacting, a bit.Mickey doesn't support the majority of his points. And he does copy and paste the points he does try to defend in passing.
These spammers have been thrown off so many forums they know how to walk up to the line without crossing it. That's Mickey and Pahu. Answer a question with a question or play the victim.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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AnneBoleyn;1434695 wrote: Fabulous suggestion; a great compromise. I sincerely hope that is the road he will travel on.
I will not. I will stay in the religious section, but I will not post 10 threads at a time any more. And I won't let you dictate any terms with me in the religious section.
I will not. I will stay in the religious section, but I will not post 10 threads at a time any more. And I won't let you dictate any terms with me in the religious section.
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Ahso!;1434696 wrote: Mickey doesn't support the majority of his points. And he does copy and paste the points he does try to defend in passing.
These spammers have been thrown off so many forums they know how to walk up to the line without crossing it. That's Mickey and Pahu. Answer a question with a question or play the victim.
Whatever I do, I don't call people names; I have seen you use the very worst language I have ever seen anyone use here in 6 years. And such behavior just rolls off your back like meaningless water on a ducks back.
These spammers have been thrown off so many forums they know how to walk up to the line without crossing it. That's Mickey and Pahu. Answer a question with a question or play the victim.
Whatever I do, I don't call people names; I have seen you use the very worst language I have ever seen anyone use here in 6 years. And such behavior just rolls off your back like meaningless water on a ducks back.
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Mickiel;1434700 wrote: Whatever I do, I don't call people names; I have seen you use the very worst language I have ever seen anyone use here in 6 years. And such behavior just rolls off your back like meaningless water on a ducks back.Cry me a river, Mickey.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
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Ahso!;1434701 wrote: Cry me a river, Mickey.
Those 4 letters you called Oscar were very nasty and very rude; I could not believe it; I knew then to erase your friend request that I had accepted this month. I am against that; really against it. There is no call for that; none!
Those 4 letters you called Oscar were very nasty and very rude; I could not believe it; I knew then to erase your friend request that I had accepted this month. I am against that; really against it. There is no call for that; none!
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Mickiel;1434665 wrote: Both are happening. I respond to all questions and inquirys. And as long as people read, I write. The only standard I have is that if they start name calling, I stop communicating with them for the most part;
but I am not looking for readers; it makes no difference to me.
I'm just curious, Mickiel, as to why you choose to post on public forums if it makes no difference to you whether your posts are read or not.
I certainly wouldn't support a ban because you are always courteous and respond to people who post on your threads. Yet, I have to admit to feeling annoyed that page 1 was taken over by your numerous threads.
but I am not looking for readers; it makes no difference to me.
I'm just curious, Mickiel, as to why you choose to post on public forums if it makes no difference to you whether your posts are read or not.
I certainly wouldn't support a ban because you are always courteous and respond to people who post on your threads. Yet, I have to admit to feeling annoyed that page 1 was taken over by your numerous threads.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;1434703 wrote: I'm just curious, Mickiel, as to why you choose to post on public forums if it makes no difference to you whether your posts are read or not.
I certainly wouldn't support a ban because you are always courteous and respond to people who post on your threads. Yet, I have to admit to feeling annoyed that page 1 was taken over by your numerous threads.
Because I like expressing myself, but I don't have a need to be heard; but everywhere I post, people listen, they read it. So many read it, I have no need to look for readers, and no pride if its not read. If you care to notice, I only continue threads that are being read; I mean goodness, what would you do if one of your threads had 85,000 views, 65,000 views, 5,000 views? Would you just let the thing sit and rot in archives? Anne mentioned City-data website, I left there before they banned me, Administration asked me to come back in an e-mail because so many of my threads in Archive were still being read. I came back and brought out about 7 of them, loaded with views. The Atheist at that site were enraged and we fought a big battle that I lost, and I got put off the Religious section, not banned from the site. But I never posted anywheresle on that site, so it was in effect a type of ban. So I have seen this before. On Theologyweb.com I had all my threads locked in protest of the Christians there calling me names, they eventually combined 4 or 5 of my threads into a monster thread, we fought until I closed that one, and they put it in a section called " The Psyche Ward, an insult to me. I had threads there over 80,000 views, and the Christians hated that. But I have a right, and a like, to express myself.
I apologise about that page 1 thing, I was not aware of it, and I won't let that happen again.
I certainly wouldn't support a ban because you are always courteous and respond to people who post on your threads. Yet, I have to admit to feeling annoyed that page 1 was taken over by your numerous threads.
Because I like expressing myself, but I don't have a need to be heard; but everywhere I post, people listen, they read it. So many read it, I have no need to look for readers, and no pride if its not read. If you care to notice, I only continue threads that are being read; I mean goodness, what would you do if one of your threads had 85,000 views, 65,000 views, 5,000 views? Would you just let the thing sit and rot in archives? Anne mentioned City-data website, I left there before they banned me, Administration asked me to come back in an e-mail because so many of my threads in Archive were still being read. I came back and brought out about 7 of them, loaded with views. The Atheist at that site were enraged and we fought a big battle that I lost, and I got put off the Religious section, not banned from the site. But I never posted anywheresle on that site, so it was in effect a type of ban. So I have seen this before. On Theologyweb.com I had all my threads locked in protest of the Christians there calling me names, they eventually combined 4 or 5 of my threads into a monster thread, we fought until I closed that one, and they put it in a section called " The Psyche Ward, an insult to me. I had threads there over 80,000 views, and the Christians hated that. But I have a right, and a like, to express myself.
I apologise about that page 1 thing, I was not aware of it, and I won't let that happen again.