I don't want to discuss the right or wrongs of capital punishment, this is a genuine question about how the United States system works.
How can one state's justice system differ so greatly from the many other states in the same union of states ?
Apparently Texas has accounted for 40% of executions in the whole of America, how can Justice be so different, depending on where the crime is committed, within the same country ?
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I'm sure Acc could explain this better than me.
We are a union of sovereign states. The constitution gave the federal Gov. rights to create certain laws for the entire union. What the federal laws don't cover the individual States have the right to make their own laws to cover those areas.
Maybe this will help..
Law of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Federal law is supposed to always over rule state law but at times it doesn't seem to. One example is.. Colorado recently decriminalized marijuana but federal law still has it illegal. So in theory the feds can go into Colo. and arrest everyone for pot use but it is legal in Colo. It can get confusing.
We are a union of sovereign states. The constitution gave the federal Gov. rights to create certain laws for the entire union. What the federal laws don't cover the individual States have the right to make their own laws to cover those areas.
Maybe this will help..
Law of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Federal law is supposed to always over rule state law but at times it doesn't seem to. One example is.. Colorado recently decriminalized marijuana but federal law still has it illegal. So in theory the feds can go into Colo. and arrest everyone for pot use but it is legal in Colo. It can get confusing.
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YZGI;1430645 wrote: I'm sure Acc could explain this better than me.
I don't think any one person could...............to be fair.
I can just about get my head around the union of sovereign states idea, not unlike the EU...............but the EU is new, and many of the complaints about it is how we are unifying our laws/rules.
Within the UK we have local laws, Bye laws, they are concerned with local issues, covering things like spitting or drinking in the street.
But all the BIG issues, the ones that really are life or death, are universal across the UK.
You might get different interpretations for sentencing, but they are within guidelines laid down from on high.
An axe murderer in the strangely name UNITED States might get either a death sentence or a ludicrous 400 year in jail.
As an aside, doesn't the Constitution guarantee equal justice for all ?
I don't think any one person could...............to be fair.
I can just about get my head around the union of sovereign states idea, not unlike the EU...............but the EU is new, and many of the complaints about it is how we are unifying our laws/rules.
Within the UK we have local laws, Bye laws, they are concerned with local issues, covering things like spitting or drinking in the street.
But all the BIG issues, the ones that really are life or death, are universal across the UK.
You might get different interpretations for sentencing, but they are within guidelines laid down from on high.
An axe murderer in the strangely name UNITED States might get either a death sentence or a ludicrous 400 year in jail.
As an aside, doesn't the Constitution guarantee equal justice for all ?
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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I could be wrong but I think the phrase is actually. "Equal justice under the law". So depending on the law and the state it could mean a lot of things. I'm going to check this out.
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Found it:
Equal justice under law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's based on the 14th amendment.
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Equal justice under law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It's based on the 14th amendment.
Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Many states have done away with capital punishment, and the governors of several have commuted capital sentences to life terms.
Some states, Like Texas, have held on to capital punishment because the "People" believe it to be a vialbe "deterrent to crime".
Many just want vengeance.
But basically, the laws governing punishment of crimes in each state are left to each state.
Some states, Like Texas, have held on to capital punishment because the "People" believe it to be a vialbe "deterrent to crime".
Many just want vengeance.
But basically, the laws governing punishment of crimes in each state are left to each state.
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I don't suppose I will ever grasp the intricacies of how a single country can have differing degrees of punishment for the same crime.
Whether you are liable for execution being dependent on the area of commision of the crime is craziness to me, presumably stepping across a state border to murder your wife might mean the difference between incarceration or lethal injection.
So.......how come the end of slavery was nationwide ?
In my lifetime I have witnessed civil rights imposed by National guards in States that were against their introduction.
So presumably Federal Laws can be imposed against individual States decisions ?
Most strange.......
It following Wiki quote amused me.....
"The last seven words have been shortened to fit on the U.S. Supreme Court building."
Couldn't they make the words smaller, or the building bigger ?
I am hoping it still carries the intended meaning.
Reminds me of your national sport, designed to fit around the adverts.
Whether you are liable for execution being dependent on the area of commision of the crime is craziness to me, presumably stepping across a state border to murder your wife might mean the difference between incarceration or lethal injection.
So.......how come the end of slavery was nationwide ?
In my lifetime I have witnessed civil rights imposed by National guards in States that were against their introduction.
So presumably Federal Laws can be imposed against individual States decisions ?
Most strange.......
It following Wiki quote amused me.....
"The last seven words have been shortened to fit on the U.S. Supreme Court building."
Couldn't they make the words smaller, or the building bigger ?
I am hoping it still carries the intended meaning.
Reminds me of your national sport, designed to fit around the adverts.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1430668 wrote:
So.......how come the end of slavery was nationwide ?
In my lifetime I have witnessed civil rights imposed by National guards in States that were against their introduction.
So presumably Federal Laws can be imposed against individual States decisions ?
Most strange.......
Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
As the wikipedia link pointed out, Negros were not exactly free, hence the struggles to attain true equality before the law.
Looking to give a good answer, found this.
After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery
The 13th Amendment to the Constitution, which abolished slavery, was ratified in 1865. Lawmakers in Mississippi, however, only got around to officially ratifying the amendment last month -- 148 years later -- thanks to the movie "Lincoln."
The state's historical oversight came to light after Mississippi resident Ranjan Batra saw the Steven Spielberg-directed film last November, the Clarion-Ledger reports.
After watching the film, which depicts the political fight to pass the 13th Amendment, Batra did some research. He learned that the amendment was ratified after three-fourths of the states backed it in December 1865. Four remaining states all eventually ratified the amendment -- except for Mississippi. Mississippi voted to ratify the amendment in 1995 but failed to make it official by notifying the U.S. Archivist.
Batra spoke to another Mississippi resident, Ken Sullivan, who contacted Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann about the oversight. Finally, on Jan. 30, Hosemann sent the Office of the Federal Register a copy of the 1995 resolution, and on Feb. 7, the Federal Register made the ratification official.
According to the Clarion-Ledger, it's unclear why the state never sent the U.S. Archivist its 1995 resolution. "What an amendment to have an error in filing," Dick Molpus, who served then as secretary of state, told the paper.
So.......how come the end of slavery was nationwide ?
In my lifetime I have witnessed civil rights imposed by National guards in States that were against their introduction.
So presumably Federal Laws can be imposed against individual States decisions ?
Most strange.......
Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.[1]
The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
As the wikipedia link pointed out, Negros were not exactly free, hence the struggles to attain true equality before the law.
Looking to give a good answer, found this.
After 148 years, Mississippi finally ratifies 13th Amendment, which banned slavery
The 13th Amendment to the Constitution, which abolished slavery, was ratified in 1865. Lawmakers in Mississippi, however, only got around to officially ratifying the amendment last month -- 148 years later -- thanks to the movie "Lincoln."
The state's historical oversight came to light after Mississippi resident Ranjan Batra saw the Steven Spielberg-directed film last November, the Clarion-Ledger reports.
After watching the film, which depicts the political fight to pass the 13th Amendment, Batra did some research. He learned that the amendment was ratified after three-fourths of the states backed it in December 1865. Four remaining states all eventually ratified the amendment -- except for Mississippi. Mississippi voted to ratify the amendment in 1995 but failed to make it official by notifying the U.S. Archivist.
Batra spoke to another Mississippi resident, Ken Sullivan, who contacted Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann about the oversight. Finally, on Jan. 30, Hosemann sent the Office of the Federal Register a copy of the 1995 resolution, and on Feb. 7, the Federal Register made the ratification official.
According to the Clarion-Ledger, it's unclear why the state never sent the U.S. Archivist its 1995 resolution. "What an amendment to have an error in filing," Dick Molpus, who served then as secretary of state, told the paper.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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You still use the word "Negroes" or were you quoting from a link?
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The 13th Amendment goes back to 1865, it covered 'Involantary servitude', so it wasn't only Mississippi that was lagging behind in it's implimentation, if it were the Civil Rights Movement of the 50/60's wouldn't have needed to happen.
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Bruv;1430690 wrote: The 13th Amendment goes back to 1865, it covered 'Involantary servitude', so it wasn't only Mississippi that was lagging behind in it's implimentation, if it were the Civil Rights Movement of the 50/60's wouldn't have needed to happen.
Involuntary servitude was eliminated in 1865.
Problem was many whites just did not want to have anything to do with blacks. That is fine and dandy.
It crosses the line when whites, having control of the government create discriminatory laws such as segregated schools, poll taxes, bus seating.
That all had to do with government actions. Laws and courts could, and should take care of that.
Then came private discrimination. Some whites would not want to hire blacks, serve them in their restaurants, rent rooms in hotels etc.
In their infinite wisdom Congress passed and President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964
and we all now live harmony and in tranquility.
Involuntary servitude was eliminated in 1865.
Problem was many whites just did not want to have anything to do with blacks. That is fine and dandy.
It crosses the line when whites, having control of the government create discriminatory laws such as segregated schools, poll taxes, bus seating.
That all had to do with government actions. Laws and courts could, and should take care of that.
Then came private discrimination. Some whites would not want to hire blacks, serve them in their restaurants, rent rooms in hotels etc.
In their infinite wisdom Congress passed and President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964
and we all now live harmony and in tranquility.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1430696 wrote:
In their infinite wisdom Congress passed and President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964
and we all now live harmony and in tranquility.
I don't feel your heart is in that statement, am I wrong ?
In their infinite wisdom Congress passed and President Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964
and we all now live harmony and in tranquility.
I don't feel your heart is in that statement, am I wrong ?
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YZGI;1430645 wrote: I'm sure Acc could explain this better than me.
We are a union of sovereign states. The constitution gave the federal Gov. rights to create certain laws for the entire union. What the federal laws don't cover the individual States have the right to make their own laws to cover those areas.
Maybe this will help..
Law of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Federal law is supposed to always over rule state law but at times it doesn't seem to. One example is.. Colorado recently decriminalized marijuana but federal law still has it illegal. So in theory the feds can go into Colo. and arrest everyone for pot use but it is legal in Colo. It can get confusing.
Nope, I don't think I could have stated it better.
We are a union of sovereign states. The constitution gave the federal Gov. rights to create certain laws for the entire union. What the federal laws don't cover the individual States have the right to make their own laws to cover those areas.
Maybe this will help..
Law of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Federal law is supposed to always over rule state law but at times it doesn't seem to. One example is.. Colorado recently decriminalized marijuana but federal law still has it illegal. So in theory the feds can go into Colo. and arrest everyone for pot use but it is legal in Colo. It can get confusing.
Nope, I don't think I could have stated it better.
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Bruv;1430706 wrote: I don't feel your heart is in that statement, am I wrong ?
You are not wrong.
You are not wrong.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1430913 wrote: You are not wrong.
So what is your problem with the Civil Rights Act ?
So what is your problem with the Civil Rights Act ?
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Bruv;1430923 wrote: So what is your problem with the Civil Rights Act ?
Not so much the Civil Rights Act itself. What followed was abuse of liberal courts to create new laws.
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
Not so much the Civil Rights Act itself. What followed was abuse of liberal courts to create new laws.
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1430927 wrote: Not so much the Civil Rights Act itself. What followed was abuse of liberal courts to create new laws.
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
I thought segregation was THE problem.
The forced integration was a harsh form of re-education
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
I thought segregation was THE problem.
The forced integration was a harsh form of re-education
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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tude dog;1430927 wrote: Not so much the Civil Rights Act itself. What followed was abuse of liberal courts to create new laws.
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
Is there less racism in the states now than there used to be? If yes then it worked to some extent, if no then it didn't.
Wasn't enough that we be equal, but among other abuses desegregation.
Beyond the wildest dreams to force people to move home and hearth, courts choose to move children. So your child does not go to the local public school, just down the street down the block. Your child climbs on a bus to travel, any number of miles away from home for the some, to me yet unclear purpose.
Is there less racism in the states now than there used to be? If yes then it worked to some extent, if no then it didn't.
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No one forced people to move home & hearth. How ridiculous. I'm not a fan of busing children either, but I currently have no dog in that fight.
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gmc;1431026 wrote: Is there less racism in the states now than there used to be? If yes then it worked to some extent, if no then it didn't.
There is definitely less racism than there used to be. It was a hideous & horrible way to live, "colored" v. white. Nauseating. The experiences I had as a white child visiting the South will haunt me for the rest of my days. Repulsive.
There is definitely less racism than there used to be. It was a hideous & horrible way to live, "colored" v. white. Nauseating. The experiences I had as a white child visiting the South will haunt me for the rest of my days. Repulsive.
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AnneBoleyn;1431035 wrote: There is definitely less racism than there used to be. It was a hideous & horrible way to live, "colored" v. white. Nauseating. The experiences I had as a white child visiting the South will haunt me for the rest of my days. Repulsive.
You should pop into Stormfront..................these people hate everybody
You should pop into Stormfront..................these people hate everybody
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No thanks Bruv. I was forced to read one of their articles as a family member of mine was featured in one of their stories a few years back. That is how I was introduced to them. But as for willingly going back...............When Hell Freezes Over!
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I shall keep an eye on them for you, if it wasn't so serious it would be hilariously funny.
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