What is Predestination to God?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 2:18 pm

In Ephesians 1:11;" Also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to his purpose who works all things after the counsel of his will." An interesting revelation about how God is. God has already predetermined all of humanitys future, inspite of those who believe that human free will determines it.

Predestination to God is just foregone conclusion. This great Power God has is simply Fate itself, and our future is premeditated conclusion which cannot be changed. But God calculates like that, his Power is so great, his resolve so super, that he places himself into the results even before they occur. And I think this is how God is " Omnipresent", he lives and exist in his predetermined will, his present will and his will to come. All are the same to him, so there is nowhere that is not effected by his will. No time that is unaffected by him, and all these things are maintained by him.

God knows what will happen tommorrow, because it is he who gives tommorrow, he has already influenced tommorrow, even though we have not lived tommorrow. But God has already lived tommorrow, and framed it to be what it will be.

So I want to go into Gods Predestined ability and examine it closely.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:03 pm

In Romans 8:28-30 God predestines people to become conformed to his image. It says that God " Causes All things to work together for the good of those called according to his purpose." This means it is God who " Causes" ALL to become conformed to his will. Again this is the root cause of EVERY humans destiny, and why belief in free will salvation by choice of the human is a raw deception. People read the bible and see God calling out the firstfruits, but want to end the calling at just the first wave of humans called by God, as if he willnot include the rest.

Even some of the firstfruits think that there will be no second and third fruits, because they take too much pride in their calling.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 4:48 pm

The power of God is extraordinary and considerable. He can speak and something will just be. Imagine a power so great, that his mere thought can materialize life into reality. Just bring into existance anything that he so desires. I mean this is incredible and jusy way beyond anything we have ever known. It would be absolutely nothing for a being like this to know all things. To create and manipulate all things. This is what God and predestination are like, very powerful insight, and foresight.God not only understands all things, he brought them into being, and he is ultimately responsible for all things. Because he is responsible for his creations, they are safe and secure.

Many aspects of certain believers in God are ever so apparently really against humanitys future, thats why the free will doctrine is being so heavily push by the forces at work in humanity, it wants a doctrine that is sure to doom much of humanity, and free will belief does just that. When the doctrines of men place harsh restrictions on humanity, it really shows a lack of faith in God. People come up with all kinds of religious ways for God to even predestinate the doom of his creations, which is insanity.

And I want to touch on that.

Peace

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:20 am

ALL expressions about God comming out of humans are based on that humans concept of God, only read them as they express to see this. When concepts of God are based on human conception, that will ALWAYS be flawed, and human pride refuses to accept this.

And I want to get into that world of human Pride, the battery of deception.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:55 am

Human pride is a self suggestion, and we live and think on those suggestions. Not only in our beliefs, but our everyday living. We live and move and have our thoughts, based on ourselves. Not understanding that really, we live and move, or exist, based on Gods predetermined thoughts. In him, we live and move and have our being. But you know, this life God has created, looks to assert itself, its just that powerful. We take over naturally and assert ourselves, thus think we are responsible for our lives, which is understandable. We like to believe that we are not robots, because we hold active reason, real conciousness.

This is a typical flaw in human reasoning, which really suggest self empowerment. Self endorsement. Self will and self responsibility. Which seems resaonable, and it really is reasonable, it makes sense. But a real serious look at God is a look at ultimate power. Such power as his is a consideration of ultimate control, control at a level of Love which will protect, determine, and MAKE things be as he wills it to be! Leaving absolutely NO CHANCE for failure, because if he leaves things to us, there will be failure at such high levels.

And I want to elaborate on that.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:13 pm

In Acts 17:28 is the essence of Gods Predestined Power over humanity;" For In Him we Live and Move and Exist, We are HIS Offspring!" Oh how this blows away this belief in Free Will! It is IN God that we are alive, that we Move, or function in our everyday living AND Thinking, it is IN HIM, not of ourselves or our will. It is God who is the source of human will. He directs it as he pleases, manipulates it, Determines it, guides it both up and down, both positive and negative. It is IN HIM, or he is the source of our Will. To believe in free will, you are believing that YOU are the source of your will. That YOU Live and Move, according to your own will.

In Romans 8:28, God CAUSES ALL THINGS to work together! Or to not work together, he does BOTH! 2 Corinth. 5:14;" The Love of Christ CONTROLS US!" Those who believe in free will do not understand Gods Predestined Power, his literal control over everything, INCLUDING our wills. Phil. 2:13;" For IT IS GOD who is at work IN YOU, both to WILL( in other words our will is NOT free!) and to work for HIS pleasure!

This is Gods predestined power.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:38 pm

God is the Alpha and Omega, or he is the complette cycle of life. Thats predestination right there. Hes the inititator of all things, that all things includes your will, its not free from this. Here you have a being like God who is so powerful that he can literally speak, and your alive, and speak and your dead. This is awesome manipulation of things he creates, hes the beginning and the ending of your life, your will factors nowhere into this.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:24 am

The belief in free will really borderlines blasphemey because it presupposes that our will determines our salvation and not Gods predestined will. We TAKE so much pride in our lives, that we like to credit ourselves with even our belief in God. This pride reveals itself to me in every christian post I read online, their just slap full of it. They all have an announcement to make, and their self is full of the announcement, how THEY did this and that to be a christian! And how you must do what they did, or your lost. Its discusting and unimportant, but they try to elevate themselves by their own selves.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:30 am

Mickiel;922468 wrote: The belief in free will really borderlines blasphemey because it presupposes that our will determines our salvation and not Gods predestined will. We TAKE so much pride in our lives, that we like to credit ourselves with even our belief in God. This pride reveals itself to me in every christian post I read online, their just slap full of it. They all have an announcement to make, and their self is full of the announcement, how THEY did this and that to be a christian! And how you must do what they did, or your lost. Its discusting and unimportant, but they try to elevate themselves by their own selves.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

In 2 Corinth.10:12;" For we are not bold to class ourselves or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves; but when they measure themselves by themselves, and compare themselves with themselves, they are without understanding." This is what modernday christians are doing in a nutshell. They are the largest group of believers on earth, Islam the second. They always compare each other with each other, letting their leaders set the standard. They always commend themselves, saying " I am a christian." As if carrying the label " Christian", automatically makes them Gods very own people, and all others outsiders.

I believe God predestined all groups of religions to be deceived and self convinced of their belief. There are no exceptions to this. God wanted Salvation to be a total need, and that WHY ALL have sinned and fallen short of the Truth, because God wanted ALL to be saved! This is why Jesus death MUST cover all of humanity, not just believers who compare themselves with a precalled Holiness.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:40 am

In James 2:13;" For judgement will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; Mercy Triumphs over judgement." This is what Predestination is, Gods Mercy. God has already decreed mercy for all of humanity, that IS his Judgement.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:28 pm

Mickiel;934517 wrote: In James 2:13;" For judgement will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; Mercy Triumphs over judgement." This is what Predestination is, Gods Mercy. God has already decreed mercy for all of humanity, that IS his Judgement.

Peace.

Mercy and Goodness is what really drives Gods predestined will along the lines of his Righteousness. And God has Predestined Goodness for everyone. Certain humans just cannot believe this about God, really because they do not know God. Gods Mercy is what will Triumph all humans into the position of living with God.

The Judgement of God, IS Mercy!

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:28 pm

Gods Patience also drives his purpose in our destiny. His Patience is a backbone of his Predestined will. He is already a being who is beyond all other beings, so he knows he is in a class by himself, which is what he means when he says I am God and there is no other.

God is uncreated.

Unbossed, he submits to none.

Has no orgin, no birth.

Has no limitations, nothing can restrain him.

Can never die.

There is nonelse who is like this.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:42 pm

Now I want to mention a most interesting thing about Gods predestined power, or his current will being intwined into his future will. Look at 2 Tim. 3:7, this is concerning ALL of us, there are NO exclusions from this;" Always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Now the very first thing a christian will say who reads this, is that it was NOT written to mean them. That is not so, this covers us all.

We don't know what we are doing. Were always learning about God, something about him from someone who claims to know him, and they are only putting into your minds, what is in theirs. And you think your learning from God.

In an age of unworthy, untrustful leaders, why would God raise up a leader who was human? No God is not going to raise up a man or woman to lead, hes going to depend on his Holy Spirit to lead, and thats the ONLY way the end time church will function. Its not going to need a human leader.

Yet men mock the Holy Spirit everyday, by asserting themselves into leadership roles, then telling the people that God put them there.

Always learning, but never really getting anywhere Spiritually.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Aug 16, 2008 6:27 pm

Predestination is Gods confidence in himself, and evidence that he does not depend on humans to determine their own future. There is no future to God, there only "Is." God is, time is meaningless to him who has always lived and will always live.

He is the beginning and the End, or the complette cycle of time.

And everything that he does, will be completted in his time, meaning in that same day to him, because no day will ever end with God. Thats what Jesus meant when he told the theif on the cross that " Today you will be with me in Paradise". Well Jesus said that thousands of years ago, and the theif is still dead. But when he is ressurected, it still will be " Today with God." And this is a root of understanding what Predestination is to God.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:00 pm

The sun, or Light, never goes away with God, there is no night with him, or a beginning of another day. No time passes with God. He IS the true source of light, and the true source of eternity, or time.. This is just hard for me to understand complettely. 1 year to me is a lot of time, there is no year passing with God. I lived in yesterday, and today, and I might live into tommorrow. God lives consistantly, and has lived constantly. This is why he is the beginning and the end of all things, because he controls those two extremes, and is not bound by them.

And this is what predestination really is, God simply knowing the beginning from the end, because he controls both extremes.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:52 pm

I want you to look at something. Study this well and meditate on it. Jesus called his Father God something that I think is relevant. In Mark 14:62; Jesus told a high priest that he is, " I Am, and you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power." Here Jesus describes his Father as " Power." Oh, how significant this is, Jesus describes his Father as " Power."

Sitting at the right hand of Power!

You see this is what God really is, Great, unmeasured, unstoppable Power! And I feel sorry for those who seem to think that a being like God cannot save everyone.

God is POWER! GREAT awesome unlimited Power!

And that Power is supported by his Great Love and Kindness, and THAT is what will impact all of humanitys future with God.

And that is the backbone of understanding predestination.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:51 pm

To those who have eyes to see, THIS IS Gods Predestined Power of his Will;

Isaiah 45:23, God swearing an oath to himself, that every single human being created will bow to him and confess him as Lord AND swear committment to him!

Thats it in a nutshell! Right there is the VERY meaning of Gods Predestined Will, and EVERYONE is included within it. ALL of humanity are predestined, or preassigned to this fate!

This renders ALL doctrines that seek to exclude any human for anmy reason, as meaningless and futile.

Resistance to Gods Salvation, Gods Holy Oath to himself to submit all humans, is futile!

God is running this thing, not us.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 08, 2008 4:26 pm

Now let me show you a little more on Gods Predestination. I know there are doomsayers out there who post their doubts and their limited atonement beliefs, such is what their desire is. They cannot see Gods predestined will, nor understand just how Powerful God is. In 1 Thess. 5:9;" For God hasNOT destined us for wrath, BUT FOR the Obtaining of Salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Look closely at vs.10;" Who died for US, weather we are awake or asleep, we will live together with him."

Do you understand what this means? It means God predestined Salvation to EVERYONE, weather they are awake, or aware of him and believe in him, or asleep, or they are not aware of God and do not believe in him! Its DESTINED, or PREdestined, for us all, no matter what condition we are in.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

buttercup · Post by **buttercup** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Is this a one sided thread or what? :-2

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:14 pm

buttercup;984826 wrote: Is this a one sided thread or what? :-2

Well you must excuse me, I am not the kind of man that people wish to address, for various reasons. They choose to read, but not to speak.

I have grown accoustomed to it. A few break the mold, but not many. I think they sense that I don't crave conversation with others, but seek truth from God.

Strange thing is, God does not speak to me either. So the one sidedness seems to be my lot in life. It is predestined for me, I walk alone.

Peace.

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:57 pm

Mickiel;984861 wrote: Well you must excuse me, I am not the kind of man that people wish to address, for various reasons. They choose to read, but not to speak.

I have grown accoustomed to it. A few break the mold, but not many. I think they sense that I don't crave conversation with others, but seek truth from God.

Strange thing is, God does not speak to me either. So the one sidedness seems to be my lot in life. It is predestined for me, I walk alone.

Peace.Hi, Mikiel!

But God does speak to you. If you spend a lot of time in Scripture and think about heavenly things, He is able to communicate with you through feelings and impressions, even if He doesn;t speak to you directly, verbally.

An atheist friend of mine once proudly told me he stole a Gideons Bible from a hotel room and he was going to read it and find out who God is (probably for the purpose of disproving His existence). I told him it doesn't work like that. First of all, you can't "steal" a Gideons Bible. The Gideons trust the power of the Word so much, they don't care what you do with one of their Bibles- they are a totally free, no-strings-attached give-away. Once my friend left the hotel room with the Gideons Bible, that Bible was an unconditional, personal gift to him from the Gideons. Secondly, man cannot discover God. The only things a man can know about God are the things God reveals to him, and God only reveals things to His friends.

John 15:15

I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

1 Cor 2:14 14

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:47 pm

telaquapacky;991988 wrote: Hi, Mikiel!

But God does speak to you. If you spend a lot of time in Scripture and think about heavenly things, He is able to communicate with you through feelings and impressions, even if He doesn;t speak to you directly, verbally.

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Greetings,

Well yes, I agree. But feelings and impressions are not evidence in and of themselves, its just circumstancial evidence, which may be enough to convict some, but God is not interested in the " Some", but the totality of all of humanity. No, God is totalitirian, complette, lacking nothing, and our comprehension is NOT like that! Its just not.

God IS the Alpha and Omega, the start and the finish, or the COMPLETTE CYCLE! God does not NEED our understanding to be complette, and our future is NOT based on anything in us to be complette. Its what Jesus did that is the complettion. In him we live and move and have our being, we just do not believe that, we think its in ourselves that we become complette, as if we are the alpha.

In HIM we live, not things invested within ourselves.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:10 pm

In Predestination, all things are garenteed to the human family, it makes God responsible for us, and not we ourselves. Free will belief seeks to place the responsibility of salvation for humanity, on humanity, which is the reason why so many of us are messed up. Because we have accepted this false premise of self being responsible for destiny. Predestination is Gods way of being responsible for all things. He has already determined the outcome, already factored in all things.

Jesus death has been greatly underated and misunderstood, it was far more meaningful than most believers comprehend it to have been. Jesus was more powerful, his salvation determinant far more than believed. His purpose for comming was to save all those who are lost. He came for the sinners, not just the righteous. This reflects Gods Mind, Gods purpose for mankind. He knows what humanity is up against, and he has supplied complette coverage.

Predestination is complette coverage.

Peace.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:22 pm

Predestination is really God extending himself; him being beyond others and just making sure that they can catch up to him. He's just " Beyond"- I mean hes just in a total different atmosphere or level, predestination is just one of his ways of bringing us with him.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:13 pm

Predestination is really God showing reality " his thoughts." His intentions; and the power of God is those intentions one day becomming full blown reality.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:48 pm

I wanted to get back into predestination and discuss why really everything that we humans are aware of, is really just a replaying of things that have already occured in the mind of God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:07 am

To consider the mind of God is a momumental task, which will mostly be speculation at best, because in my view, nobody really knows God. Only Jesus knows him, and I think even him only to a point. In Eph. 1:11 " Also we have obtained an inheritance , having been predestined according to his purpose who works all things after the counsel of his will." This means that God decided that all of humanity would ultimately be with him, and he then worked it out in reality; but it first went through his mind; so God thinks; and he plans; and he sees to it that his plans ( or his will) gets done.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:47 am

God is determinant; he has an exact fixed way of thinking that is resolute and very powerful: there can be no doubt about this. He is settled in his positions, which is just another way of saying that he does not change in certain areas. Most biblical readers do not understand that once God has said something, that's just going to be- its just then reality from then on. BUT, " Before" God reasoned that out in his mind, he " Predetermined it." So an amazing thing is occuring when God is actively predeterming things; the future is actually being prepared, reality being shaped and all things will be affected from then on. This is stunning! The awesome " Responsibility that God has." He sets the actual pace of reality and forever maintains it. God then has great firmness in carrying out his purpose. His calculation must be incredible! And I want to get into some of that.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:37 pm

Because God is so determined, so focused, he would absolutely NOT leave Salvation in the hands of humans! God did NOT set up Salvation to be a human choice, or a human reward for good human living, or some kind of survival of the fittest thing; He put Salvation in Jesus hands, and Jesus has already done all that God has required for every human to have it freely!

And he " Predetermined even that."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:56 am

Lets imagine for a moment God's eternity; incredible that he has no known origin, or some kind of birth; he just always has been alive. That is a perfect explination, in my view and understanding, of how all other things have come into reality. For life to even exist, it needed a miracle type origin, and a God of and in eternity is that needed origin. Always alive and will always be alive. Now to a being like that, what really could be " Before and after", or past and present and future? Really, if you think about it, God has no past, or future, but he does have " Present." I mean he is eternal, there can never be a past or future for him, its just always present to him; I mean he's just always there. And I don't think any other being will ever be like that, including Jesus. God is! Its amazing, with him there is no reference to the duration of time because he is simply always present, or recurring, running, God is a being in " Progress!" Constant progress. This we can know by Isaiah 9:7, " There will be no end to the " Increase of his government or of Peace." This is a stunning scripture! God will always increase, his rule will always increase, his authority will always increase, and the Peace he generates will continually " Increase!" His Kingdom will increase for eternity, his Love, his POWER, his relationship with his offspring. I don't think we realize the serious implications of this outstanding being!

God is constant; so predestination is really just all other things being allowed to " Catch up to portions of his thought process."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:33 pm

Predestination is our biblically confirmed destination; Salvation garenteed to all.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:43 am

Predestination is not God looking forward, its just God looking; he is already forward.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:56 am

Predestination is anything that comes to Gods mind.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 7:57 am

Predestination is the origin of the universe.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:52 am

Predestination is the origin of science.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:35 am

I was predestined to deny the existence of God if what you say is accurate.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:31 am

Ahso!;1421523 wrote: I was predestined to deny the existence of God if what you say is accurate.

Well that's true, for a change I agree with you. And that will change in your final destiny; you were made to be with God like the rest of us; and there is absolutely nothing that you, I, or anyone else will be able to do with that final outcome.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:32 am

Mickiel;1421538 wrote: Well that's true, for a change I agree with you. And that will change in your final destiny; you were made to be with God like the rest of us; and there is absolutely nothing that you, I, or anyone else will be able to do with that final outcome.Why then does God choose to play this silly game with us?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:05 pm

Ahso!;1421540 wrote: Why then does God choose to play this silly game with us?

The game is not silly to me, its deadly serious; suffering is serious, ignorance is serious, deception is serious, and enlightenment is serious.

I just happen to believe that God is in control of all those things. Why God has done things the way he has, I just don't know. In Rom. 11:32 it suggest that he has done these things just to later have mercy on us all.

And buddy, if our ultimate destiny is to come to a point in reality that God will have mercy on us all, I can live with that.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:51 am

Predestination is a control of " Our time"; isn't that power, God controls our time. Hard to imagine such a thing. A God that knows everything, can do everything, has created everything and understands everything; this is why many cannot believe in God, because if God is real, they figure he must be awesomely powerful; and they cannot accept that a being like that could possibly exist. And I don't blame them, such power as his is simply hard to believe.

Does God predestined himself? YES! God controls himself and dictates himself and manages himself. I mean he has too; such raw incredible power MUST be perfectly managed. So God has to phase in and out of all realitys that he has created and he must sustain those realitys; and one way I think he does that is through predestination; he manages them by setting them into patterns of eternity that are controlled by only his power; and he keeps himself as the foundation of all his realitys.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:55 am

A God that has no beginning and has always existed, is our chance to finally understand reality; there could be nothing that he could not explain. Just imagine the pure wisdom God must have; his mind must be incredible. I personally believe that he has upwards of 7 different consciousness, all somehow existing in perfect unison. I mean the way he thinks muct be fasinating and awesome. He is not engulfed in any time frame or measurement of time, so predestination is normal to him; his ability to navitate through any current reality, past reality or future reality has no boundries or guages; its just all the same gear to him;

and that is scary.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:31 am

In Rev. 21:6 " And he said to me it is done!" I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, and I am giving eternal life without cost!" God has no beginning, but he is the beginning of all things which now exist, and he will end some of those things which he began, but not humanity; he will give all humans eternal life without a cost, and I am aware that many religions and believers in God are trying to put a cost on what God said has no cost. They don't understand what free means; it means belief is not required, repentance is not required, holy living is not required, acceptance of Christ is not required; there are no requirements, and religion just CANNOT believe that, they cannot believe this is free indeed! That grace is too amazing.

But God was like that before he made humanity; he is VERY Loving, VERY forgiving and has unlimited Grace and Mercy INSIDE of him. This is where the principles of Grace, Mercy and Forgiveness come from- God! If its good, you can trace its origins back to God. Goodness and Mercy are predestined powers, which have formed and shaped man. Before we were made, we were under the mercy and grace of God, no matter what happens in human history, no matter how bad it has been or will be; our destiny is BASED on Gods predestined Love, Mercy and Forgiveness.

Post by **LarsMac** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:44 am

Nicely said.

Amen

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:24 am

God has us all covered; he knows what he is doing, we just don't lknow what he is doing; and he wants it like that for some reason. While we are living in this age and unaware of what God is doing, God is probally way ahead, eons ahead doing somethingelse; preparing somethingelse, designing something trillions of years in our future. Walking in that future, living in that future, manipulating things which are trillions of years yet to happen!

Don't you know a God with this kind of power, will not LOOSE any human to sin and ignorance; not one of his creations in humanity will be lost, no matter how that creation thinks. No matter how they reject him, his power and reach is too great to fail.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:36 am

God is the same yesterday, today and tommorrow; why? because there is no yesterday, today and tommorrow with God, time does not exist with him, he exist, he is and always is! Its always " Today" with him, and always will be today. He is who he is today and is not changing today; now we will always have a beginning, a past and a future -- we will always be like that, so God is the only being that will be like he is. No one can really ever be like God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:56 am

God is; he said himself, " I am that I am." What God is, is incredible! Predestination to him is normal.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:12 am

Predestination to God IS what the world is coming to!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:37 pm

Mickiel;1433003 wrote: Predestination to God IS what the world is coming to!

I often get the feeling of " Dejuvu", like is all a recording; all going through predicted changes; nothing really new under the Sun.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:37 am

Predestination to God is him writing and unfolding the pages of the history of both human and non human life! He is the author of these things, meaning he had all these things created by Jesus, John 1:3, and that he really is dictating terms. Because one could make a good argument that God has a " Hands off " approach toward humanity and is just letting things be as they will be. Because it sure seems like that; but behind the scenes which we cannot see or understand, there is always God; like the great wizard behind the curtain.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 12:01 pm

What is predestination to God? Well its him predetermining things; does he predetermine ALL things; well I think all things which interests him, yes; but not just EVERY little thing, no!