Breaking News Horror

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed May 22, 2013 9:53 am

Two people were today believed to have been shot by armed police after hacking a man to death with a machete in front of dozens of eyewitnesses

And at the BBC

Horrors of horrors, I know Woolwich well, or used to a few years ago.

Frightening events, if the early reports are true.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:05 am

Dear God... that poor man.

Sorry but I bet it's Islamic extremists.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:34 am

First reports I heard said they were high on something, Cameron is taking it seriously, I just hope the nutters amongst us don't over react, now that would be a tragedy.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 22, 2013 10:57 am

It's believed they beheaded the soldier In the street.

Simon Darby: You get what you vote for

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 22, 2013 11:30 am

Video minutes after the beheading....... WARNING GRAPHIC

Video of Woolwich Terrorist - YouTube

theia · Post by **theia** » Wed May 22, 2013 11:36 am

Bruv;1427737 wrote: First reports I heard said they were high on something, Cameron is taking it seriously, I just hope the nutters amongst us don't over react, now that would be a tragedy.

I'm tempted to believe the first reports having seen the distressing footage on ITV news earlier. But maybe the security services know more about it than we do.

I just sincerely hope that the family of the victim don't see that footage

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed May 22, 2013 12:43 pm

In most civilised countries the Home Secretary would resign after an outrage like this, but quite obviously Britain is no longer a civilised country.If it still was the politicians, civil servants and journalists who have facilitated the importation of subhuman scum like this would be put on trial too.Instead we stumble, coerced into abandoning our own self-interest, into the inevitable and forthcoming nightmare.

Well that particular nutter has over reacted...............to be expected I suppose.

The guy talking has a London accent, his ideas may have been imported, I doubt he was.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed May 22, 2013 1:23 pm

I feel horrible for you folks.

there are just no words sometimes...

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Wed May 22, 2013 2:18 pm

flopstock;1427746 wrote: I feel horrible for you folks.

there are just no words sometimes...

Could have had some automatic weapons.......

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 22, 2013 2:44 pm

EDL on the streets of Woolwich as we speak.

Attached files

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:00 pm

I don't know what to say, the British government supports this in other countries. I swear to god our politicians have the be dumber than house plants. And that's being generous to boot.

I logged on and saw this on Al Jazeera, I was not surprised. Chickens are coming home to roost, as for the soldier "Live By the Sword, Die By The Sword".

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:24 pm

And we already have fools blaming ourselves (the West) for this. Really?

Really? Consider yourself a "deep thinker" if you wish, but making excuses for this is borderline insanity and absurd.

I love academia some days. Idiocy.

And it's usually the same clan. :-3

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:24 pm

Look at the second video, the young Somali guy says he's sorry women have to witness this but the women of Somalia have the witness it every day.

LiveLeak.com - Beheading in Woolwich, UK - British Soldier Dead

53 car bombs went off in Baghdad yesterday, the British government supports terrorists in Syria. In all of the destruction the western powers have doled out apparently there were enemies made while doing it. Things like this tend to happen apparently, I'm still not sure but I think the west has made a lot of enemies and they're striking back any way they can.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:53 pm

There's an Irony that the Far Right In the UK are branded as racist nut jobs but In actual fact, all Far Right Parties and Orgs In the UK have the same policy of withdrawing our troops from all foreign lands and refraining from Interfering In any other other countries civil wars or business.

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:19 pm

Give up your country Englishmen.

They will certainly not...so you might as well do it peacefully. In the name of diversity of course.

If the soldier spent his life hacking up people in an area that is clearly NOT at war, he should be considered "living and dying by the sword.

Anything else is absurd.

:-5

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:29 pm

Bruv;1427751 wrote: Could have had some automatic weapons.......

I didn't even consider it. I feel so bad for the soldiers family.

Sometimes things are just horrible in their own right.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed May 22, 2013 5:19 pm

To my new friends in Britain: I'm so very sorry you are enduring this horror. Words fail me, just wanted to express my love for you all.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Wed May 22, 2013 5:30 pm

Scrat;1427760 wrote: Look at the second video, the young Somali guy says he's sorry women have to witness this but the women of Somalia have the witness it every day.

LiveLeak.com - Beheading in Woolwich, UK - British Soldier Dead

53 car bombs went off in Baghdad yesterday, the British government supports terrorists in Syria. In all of the destruction the western powers have doled out apparently there were enemies made while doing it. Things like this tend to happen apparently, I'm still not sure but I think the west has made a lot of enemies and they're striking back any way they can.

Can't help but notice you are not living in Jordan with your wife. No, not saying 'love it or leave it' but I'll bet my bottom dollar you can't live with those you admire so.

A lot of what you say makes sense to me, but you say it so hatefully. Are you very young, like in your twenties? It would be more understandable if you were. The older one gets, the less proclivity you have for gruesome violence in the name of a cause. Don't know why for certain (although I have some ideas) but that seems to be the way it is.

Scrat · Post by **Scrat** » Wed May 22, 2013 6:52 pm

My wife does not live in Jordan. WTF?

A lot of what you say makes sense to me, but you say it so hatefully. Are you very young, like in your twenties? It would be more understandable if you were. The older one gets, the less proclivity you have for gruesome violence in the name of a cause. Don't know why for certain (although I have some ideas) but that seems to be the way it is.

What are you trying to say? Ask me questions if you like.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 23, 2013 2:02 am

halfway;1427763 wrote: Give up your country Englishmen.

They will certainly not...so you might as well do it peacefully. In the name of diversity of course.

If the soldier spent his life hacking up people in an area that is clearly NOT at war, he should be considered "living and dying by the sword.

Anything else is absurd.

You are rambling........... yet again.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 23, 2013 5:39 am

Bruv;1427776 wrote: You are rambling........... yet again. Actually, Halfways post made perfect sense to me.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:08 am

Scrat;1427771 wrote: My wife does not live in Jordan. WTF? What are you trying to say? Ask me questions if you like.

My bad grammar. Meant 'why don't you & (Jordanian) wife live in Jordan?' Or in any Muslim society? I'll answer. Because you couldn't stand the repression.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:09 am

oscar;1427780 wrote: Actually, Halfways post made perfect sense to me.

I could respond to his post, but I would need to give his opinions some respect to do that, and I don't.

(Oh dear I sound as bitter and twisted as he)

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:26 am

Really? Calling me names on this thread for no reason. :-3

Oh my. The stalkers with the open minds are at it again.

Hateful group.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:30 am

halfway;1427786 wrote: Really? Calling me names on this thread for no reason. :-3

Oh my. The stalkers with the open minds are at it again.

Hateful group. Your post made sense to me. Ignore the rest and carry on.

It's been reported today that the two had links to Anjam Choudrey.... well, that explains a lot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... udary.html

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Thu May 23, 2013 6:41 am

halfway;1427786 wrote: Really? Calling me names on this thread for no reason. :-3

Oh my. The stalkers with the open minds are at it again.

Hateful group.
No names called, just mentioned you were rambling and that I don't respect your opinions, more pointedly your style.

I have no hate for anyone even you, why should I ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 3:35 am

Islam versus Europe: Woolwich Attack: French MP Warns of "Civil War" and "Islamist Assassins ... a Fifth Column Present in All the Suburbs of Europe"

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 24, 2013 4:42 am

The opening line is factually untrue.....

"The cowardly attack of the Islamists against a British soldier in London"

It was two radical Muslim extremists who by remaining on the scene might best not be described as 'cowardly', so it was not a cowardly attack by Islamists.

It was a pair of muslim nutters, any other description is a sensationalist interpretation by another extremist with an agenda.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 4:57 am

Bruv;1427854 wrote: The opening line is factually untrue.....

"The cowardly attack of the Islamists against a British soldier in London"

It was two radical Muslim extremists who by remaining on the scene might best not be described as 'cowardly', so it was not a cowardly attack by Islamists.

It was a pair of muslim nutters, any other description is a sensationalist interpretation by another extremist with an agenda.

An agenda for what exactly ?

The two are linked to Anjem Choudrey. That alone speaks volumes. They were not lone nut jobs. Al Quada has called for lone wolf attacks for the past few years.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 6:22 am

I hope the 'suspects(!)' were drug tested. They behaved like people on Crack. High on Allah I suppose.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 6:33 am

I actually disagree with that. If you listen to the speeches made after the killing or read the full transcript of the speeches, he was rather clear and concise. He even apologised for women In the street having to see that and that Indicates he was In full command of his faculties. Also, when the three women confronted him, he did not attack them In a crazed manner. He seemed to know exactly what he was doing and saying.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 7:14 am

Well said, Oscar. I was reacting to the gruesome violence of it. Maybe I wish he were on crack, it would almost be a better explanation for his 'deed'.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 24, 2013 7:25 am

oscar;1427860 wrote: An agenda for what exactly ?

The two are linked to Anjem Choudrey. That alone speaks volumes. They were not lone nut jobs. Al Quada has called for lone wolf attacks for the past few years.

The quote was from a right wing French politician ?

An agenda to promote his right wing policies relating to cultural diversity, better known as race mixing. The language used is inflamatory.

They were seen in a group with Choudrey, what about the hundreds of others on the several demonstrations that were filmed ? It only speaks volumes if you have a vivid imagination, the next step logically would be rounding up all the others in the videos and jailing them.

My description of nutters, doesn't mean they were out of their heads, it means they believed their cause to be worth the act they performed so blatantly on a London street and were so convinced, they were bold enough to await the consequences.

My logic tells me to listen to such people's protests, they are either insane, or might possibly have a point, a grievance they feel is worth such an act.

Either way you must engage with their argument in order to counter it

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 7:39 am

Bruv;1427878 wrote: The quote was from a right wing French politician ?

An agenda to promote his right wing policies relating to cultural diversity, better known as race mixing. The language used is inflamatory.

They were seen in a group with Choudrey, what about the hundreds of others on the several demonstrations that were filmed ? It only speaks volumes if you have a vivid imagination, the next step logically would be rounding up all the others in the videos and jailing them.

My description of nutters, doesn't mean they were out of their heads, it means they believed their cause to be worth the act they performed so blatantly on a London street and were so convinced, they were bold enough to await the consequences.

My logic tells me to listen to such people's protests, they are either insane, or might possibly have a point, a grievance they feel is worth such an act.

Either way you must engage with their argument in order to counter it Ah and there we have It In a nutshell. Anyone remotely associated with the far right has to be a racist with an agenda eh? It is actually the far right who Insist our troops should not be In other countries or meddle In civil wars. That's Ok but oh dear when they speak on matters such as this, they have an agenda.

What is fact Is this. Under the previous Labour government ( who now admit they were wrong ) allowed mass Immigration of Muslims Into this country unchecked. While many came for a better life, many radicals sworn to the Jihad also came here unchecked. Other Immigrants such as Sikh or Hindu don't have the amount of extremists that Islam does but we allowed them In unchecked. The two who murdered the soldier were on MI5 radar already as a danger.

Also under the previous Labour Government, they fiddled about with the Equality laws so that anyone who questioned the radicals coming Into the UK unchecked, were branded right wing racists.

Added to the farce that Is the European Court of Human Rights, even when we get one come up on the radar as a threat to National Security, we can't deport them.

Governments have p.ussyfooted around these radicals In the name of political correctness and fear of causing racial unrest when the only solution to save murders such as this one Is to shut down the Mosques that preach hate. Deport all Islamic hate preachers without question and anyone supporting them.

The government Is solely to blame for this murder because for too long political correctness has outweighed the safety of the British public and until It's addressed, we will see more of the same.

halfway · Post by **halfway** » Fri May 24, 2013 8:19 am

oscar;1427880 wrote: Ah and there we have It In a nutshell. Anyone remotely associated with the far right has to be a racist with an agenda eh?

This is absolutely correct oscar.

Resistance is futile. Get with the program.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 9:54 am

halfway;1427884 wrote: This is absolutely correct oscar.

Resistance is futile. Get with the program. Wanna see what my old mate Nicks got to say ?

This Is the UK Far Right leader on the subject.

Jihad Murder in Woolwich | National News | British National Party

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 24, 2013 10:51 am

oscar;1427880 wrote: What is fact Is this. Under the previous Labour government ( who now admit they were wrong ) allowed mass Immigration of Muslims Into this country unchecked. While many came for a better life, many radicals sworn to the Jihad also came here unchecked.

Define exactly what you think Muslims are, so I can get my head around this so called mass immigration of Muslims you speak of.

At least one of the so called radical Muslims was British born and previously a Christian from what I have heard.

Where should we send this British born and bred radical Muslim, according to Mr Griffin ?

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri May 24, 2013 10:52 am

oscar;1427897 wrote: Wanna see what my old mate Nicks got to say ?

This Is the UK Far Right leader on the subject.

Jihad Murder in Woolwich | National News | British National Party

And have you read what your old mate Nick's mates are saying in the comments ? And you think immigrants are the problem ? Not an ounce of joined up thinking amongst the lot of them. Just bigotry and hate

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 11:37 am

Bruv;1427906 wrote: Define exactly what you think Muslims are, so I can get my head around this so called mass immigration of Muslims you speak of.

At least one of the so called radical Muslims was British born and previously a Christian from what I have heard.

Where should we send this British born and bred radical Muslim, according to Mr Griffin ?

You're completely missing the point and first of all, I posted what Nick said. It doesn't mean I agree with some, all, part or none. I haven't stated that.

The only problem Muslims we have are the extremists that came In unchecked. MI5 has them on the radar but nothing Is done. The murder of the soldier was due to radical hate preachers converting the two men to the Jihad. That has to come from somewhere. It comes from the hate preachers and until we are In a position to deport them the moment they are on the radar. It will continue. Kick the hate preachers out along with anyone supporting or funding them and shut down Mosques that preach the hate Instead of all the tippy toe around them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... oblem.html

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 1:44 pm

You can't kick out legal citizens though, right?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:05 pm

AnneBoleyn;1427932 wrote: You can't kick out legal citizens though, right?If they are British born or have obtained British Citizenship, then no. I'd like to see the law changed so the hate preachers who do come In originally as Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked the moment they appear on the radar as being a hate preacher or associated with one.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:12 pm

oscar;1427910 wrote: You're completely missing the point
Might be me.......might be you................I think it's you

The murder of the soldier was due to radical hate preachers converting the two men to the Jihad. That has to come from somewhere.
Did you ever wonder what these 'hate preachers' have for ammunition ?

Converting or radicalising British born Christians to the cause ?

It has to be something of substance, these are intelligent British educated kids......some of them.............what is alienating them? It is a worry isn't it?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:13 pm

oscar;1427943 wrote: If they are British born or have obtained British Citizenship, then no. I'd like to see the law changed so the hate preachers who do come In originally as Immigrants can have their citizenship revoked the moment they appear on the radar as being a hate preacher or associated with one.

I don't think that will ever happen. I think your country is one that stands by it's word & has honor & wouldn't do that, even while the new citizen has no honor or loyalty to his/her adopted homeland.

The younger Boston bomber is a naturalized U.S. citizen. We're stuck with him.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:17 pm

I'd like to see some groups in the US lose their tax-exempt status... Hillsboro Baptist Church and that other one that Tom Cruise belongs to being two of them. I'm not suggesting that they're terrorists but they definitely don't deserve their exemptions.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:19 pm

Bruv;1427944 wrote: Might be me.......might be you................I think it's you

Did you ever wonder what these 'hate preachers' have for ammunition ?

Converting or radicalising British born Christians to the cause ?

It has to be something of substance, these are intelligent British educated kids......some of them.............what is alienating them? It is a worry isn't it?

It's in great part being Young, remember that? I'm a veteran of Vietnam, opposing side of course. The young want change, instant & sometimes radical change. The Young are resentful of waiting slowly for change when they see people hurting & dying. They want it Now, not Tomorrow, NOW! Peace NOW! we said. Immediately. They can't wait, they feel they will inherit the earth anyway, so why not Now????????????

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:22 pm

SnoozeAgain;1427948 wrote: I'd like to see some groups in the US lose their tax-exempt status... Hillsboro Baptist Church and that other one that Tom Cruise belongs to being two of them. I'm not suggesting that they're terrorists but they definitely don't deserve their exemptions.

I not only strongly agree, Snooze, but I want tax exempt status stopped for any organization not involved in direct giving of actual services to the public, whether that is legal service, food, housing, medical. An end to the majority of tax exempts is what I want.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:26 pm

'Not in our name' - British Muslims denounce the Woolwich attack on Twitter » Spectator Blogs

Now... I am making some cheese and onion toasties with a lovely pot of tea. Would anyone like some? Hands up those who'd like cherry tomato's also or worcestershire sauce?

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:27 pm

Set a place. I'm there!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:34 pm

AnneBoleyn;1427954 wrote: Set a place. I'm there!
The Grill Is on

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Fri May 24, 2013 2:39 pm

Not for me thankyou...........you just want to draw me in with your titbits, grooming me to radical nationalism.

I have not long eaten cumberland sausage potato and spinach, but thanks for the offer