http://www.infowars.com/eagle-scout-fac ... arge/Eagle Scout Cole Withrow was just a few weeks from graduating with honors from his North Carolina high school, but now the active church member is facing a felony weapons charge and a precarious future after accidentally leaving a shotgun in his pickup truck in the school parking lot.
Most members of the Johnston County community, just southeast of Raleigh believe the 18-year-old is paying far too big a price for an honest mistake.
Do you?
Is this an overreaction?
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Is this an overreaction?
SnoozeAgain;1425919 wrote: No.Why? He could have left the gun in the truck and said nothing, and likely nothing would have happened. The only reason anyone even knew what happened was because he discovered his mistake and tried to fix it. That is worthy of a felony charge??
Is this an overreaction?
They are about to really screw an outstanding youngster. I can't understand how some people can sleep at night. What is it with zero tolerance, the abandonment of reason which appeals so much to some?
I can only come up with it is a denial of responsibility.
I can only come up with it is a denial of responsibility.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
He was careless with his weapon. I'm not sure if he should have a felony on his record but what he did was reckless and irresponsible.
Is this an overreaction?
SnoozeAgain;1425926 wrote: He was careless with his weapon. I'm not sure if he should have a felony on his record but what he did was reckless and irresponsible.
So "accountability for one's actions" is a value you subscribe to?
What he has a decent scapegoat to blame?
So "accountability for one's actions" is a value you subscribe to?
What he has a decent scapegoat to blame?
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Is this an overreaction?
Accountable;1425921 wrote: Why? He could have left the gun in the truck and said nothing, and likely nothing would have happened.
Did you just advocate a coverup as a solution to a mistake?
The only reason anyone even knew what happened was because he discovered his mistake and tried to fix it. That is worthy of a felony charge??
Many people seem to have a problem understanding the concept of "Zero Tolerance." This, despite the fact that the policy states EXACTLY what it means. Time has taught us that we cannot tolerate ANY weapons around our children, for any reason, at any time, even by mistake.( For mistakes breed even worse "mistakes.")
Welcome to the adult world. If I make a "mistake" and forget to pay my taxes, do I get any slack?
Did you just advocate a coverup as a solution to a mistake?
The only reason anyone even knew what happened was because he discovered his mistake and tried to fix it. That is worthy of a felony charge??
Many people seem to have a problem understanding the concept of "Zero Tolerance." This, despite the fact that the policy states EXACTLY what it means. Time has taught us that we cannot tolerate ANY weapons around our children, for any reason, at any time, even by mistake.( For mistakes breed even worse "mistakes.")
Welcome to the adult world. If I make a "mistake" and forget to pay my taxes, do I get any slack?
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1425923 wrote: They are about to really screw an outstanding youngster.
Who is this "they" whom you blame? Did "they" put the gun in his car? Did "they" deliberately not inform him of the consequences? Maybe "they" drugged him and forced his actions? Or lack of action? It is his fault, his responsibility and none other's. You, who constantly harp about a "nanny state" taking away personal responsibility jump right off the wagon at the first chance.
I can only come up with it is a denial of responsibility.
Quite the opposite. It is the highest bar of responsibility. Zero Tolerance enforces ultimate and non-negotiable responsibility.
Who is this "they" whom you blame? Did "they" put the gun in his car? Did "they" deliberately not inform him of the consequences? Maybe "they" drugged him and forced his actions? Or lack of action? It is his fault, his responsibility and none other's. You, who constantly harp about a "nanny state" taking away personal responsibility jump right off the wagon at the first chance.
I can only come up with it is a denial of responsibility.
Quite the opposite. It is the highest bar of responsibility. Zero Tolerance enforces ultimate and non-negotiable responsibility.
Is this an overreaction?
Do you blame the parents of children that shoot themselves with loaded weapons? I'm sure they claim it was all a mistake as well.
Is this an overreaction?
Saint_;1425930 wrote: Did you just advocate a coverup as a solution to a mistake?
Many people seem to have a problem understanding the concept of "Zero Tolerance." This, despite the fact that the policy states EXACTLY what it means. Time has taught us that we cannot tolerate ANY weapons around our children, for any reason, at any time, even by mistake.( For mistakes breed even worse "mistakes.")
Welcome to the adult world. If I make a "mistake" and forget to pay my taxes, do I get any slack?
Are you kidding me? Did you read how it happened? He tried to keep a mistake from happening. Instead of just driving away and taking the gun home he went to the office and called his mother to retrieve it. Not paying taxes is not a mistake, it is a decision and you are allowed to make restitution without ruining your life.
Zero tolerance, I assume your God does not practice this concept, so why would you?
Many people seem to have a problem understanding the concept of "Zero Tolerance." This, despite the fact that the policy states EXACTLY what it means. Time has taught us that we cannot tolerate ANY weapons around our children, for any reason, at any time, even by mistake.( For mistakes breed even worse "mistakes.")
Welcome to the adult world. If I make a "mistake" and forget to pay my taxes, do I get any slack?
Are you kidding me? Did you read how it happened? He tried to keep a mistake from happening. Instead of just driving away and taking the gun home he went to the office and called his mother to retrieve it. Not paying taxes is not a mistake, it is a decision and you are allowed to make restitution without ruining your life.
Zero tolerance, I assume your God does not practice this concept, so why would you?
Is this an overreaction?
So why would it have been wrong for him to take the weapon home? Getting it off school property should have been his first priority.
I'm not understanding why you guys think this kid did the right thing.
I'm not understanding why you guys think this kid did the right thing.
Is this an overreaction?
SnoozeAgain;1425937 wrote: So why would it have been wrong for him to take the weapon home? Getting it off school property should have been his first priority.
I'm not understanding why you guys think this kid did the right thing.
I didn't say he did the right thing. I think he didn't do the felony thing.He tried to take care of the problem without skipping school or being late for school.
Now he may have a felony record. Zero tolerance and all. Ain't it great?
I'm not understanding why you guys think this kid did the right thing.
I didn't say he did the right thing. I think he didn't do the felony thing.He tried to take care of the problem without skipping school or being late for school.
Now he may have a felony record. Zero tolerance and all. Ain't it great?
Is this an overreaction?
Johnston authorities: Assistant principal mistakenly brought gun to school
An assistant principal who unknowingly brought a gun to Princeton High School in the glove box of her car was suspended for three days but will not be charged, according to Johnston County Sheriff's officials.
On March 4, after the car had been sitting at school for two weeks, Bennett sent school resource officer Andy Worley to check to see if the gun was in the car, Amaon said.
Worley found the gun, returned it to the glove box, locked the vehicle and left to tell Bennett he had found the gun, Amaon said.
Auto mechanic students later found the gun and showed it among themselves, then hid it under the car when the instructor walked in, Amaon said.
Amaon said the sheriff's office had decided not to charge Bennett in the incident because she "had no idea" the gun was on campus, Amaon said.
Amaon said Bennett was suspended from her job for three days. Johnston County schools spokeswoman Terri Sessoms confirmed that Bennett had been suspended. Bennett has been the assistant principal there since August. She has been a Johnston County schools employee since 2008.
Worley, who is a sheriff's office employee, was suspended from his job for two days because he didn't take immediate action, Amaon said. He has been a deputy for several years, she said, but this is his first year as a resource officer.
Johnston authorities: Assistant principal mistakenly brought gun to school | Johnston County | NewsObserver.com
A conspiracy, cover up, three day suspension.
Consider, the gun was not secure, found by and handled by students.
What a wonderful example to all of hypocrisy.
An assistant principal who unknowingly brought a gun to Princeton High School in the glove box of her car was suspended for three days but will not be charged, according to Johnston County Sheriff's officials.
On March 4, after the car had been sitting at school for two weeks, Bennett sent school resource officer Andy Worley to check to see if the gun was in the car, Amaon said.
Worley found the gun, returned it to the glove box, locked the vehicle and left to tell Bennett he had found the gun, Amaon said.
Auto mechanic students later found the gun and showed it among themselves, then hid it under the car when the instructor walked in, Amaon said.
Amaon said the sheriff's office had decided not to charge Bennett in the incident because she "had no idea" the gun was on campus, Amaon said.
Amaon said Bennett was suspended from her job for three days. Johnston County schools spokeswoman Terri Sessoms confirmed that Bennett had been suspended. Bennett has been the assistant principal there since August. She has been a Johnston County schools employee since 2008.
Worley, who is a sheriff's office employee, was suspended from his job for two days because he didn't take immediate action, Amaon said. He has been a deputy for several years, she said, but this is his first year as a resource officer.
Johnston authorities: Assistant principal mistakenly brought gun to school | Johnston County | NewsObserver.com
A conspiracy, cover up, three day suspension.
Consider, the gun was not secure, found by and handled by students.
What a wonderful example to all of hypocrisy.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
Saint_;1425931 wrote: Who is this "they" whom you blame? Did "they" put the gun in his car? Did "they" deliberately not inform him of the consequences? Maybe "they" drugged him and forced his actions? Or lack of action? It is his fault, his responsibility and none other's. You, who constantly harp about a "nanny state" taking away personal responsibility jump right off the wagon at the first chance.
I blame those who created the zero tolerance policy, and those who unquestionably enforce it, without regret.
Saint_;1425931 wrote: Quite the opposite. It is the highest bar of responsibility. Zero Tolerance enforces ultimate and non-negotiable responsibility.
Bull. It is as mindless as a land mine.
Every person accused of a crime is afforded the opportunity to present a defense.
The only thing the kid do wrong was when he called Mom he spilled the beans to an ease dropper.
I blame those who created the zero tolerance policy, and those who unquestionably enforce it, without regret.
Saint_;1425931 wrote: Quite the opposite. It is the highest bar of responsibility. Zero Tolerance enforces ultimate and non-negotiable responsibility.
Bull. It is as mindless as a land mine.
Every person accused of a crime is afforded the opportunity to present a defense.
The only thing the kid do wrong was when he called Mom he spilled the beans to an ease dropper.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
YZGI;1425935 wrote: Are you kidding me?
Just coming off the slaughter of twenty young children, making "allowances for special cases" is not a good idea.
"I just had the pistol in my glove compartment and I forgot about it!"
"I was going to sell it later!"
"It wasn't loaded!"
"It's not mine!"
"Somebody gave it to me!"
"I was going hunting later!"
etc. etc. etc. Then, either on purpose or by accident, ...someone's child dies.
Just coming off the slaughter of twenty young children, making "allowances for special cases" is not a good idea.
"I just had the pistol in my glove compartment and I forgot about it!"
"I was going to sell it later!"
"It wasn't loaded!"
"It's not mine!"
"Somebody gave it to me!"
"I was going hunting later!"
etc. etc. etc. Then, either on purpose or by accident, ...someone's child dies.
Is this an overreaction?
Saint_;1425964 wrote: Just coming off the slaughter of twenty young children, making "allowances for special cases" is not a good idea.
"I just had the pistol in my glove compartment and I forgot about it!"
"I was going to sell it later!"
"It wasn't loaded!"
"It's not mine!"
"Somebody gave it to me!"
"I was going hunting later!"
etc. etc. etc. Then, either on purpose or by accident, ...someone's child dies.
Speeding has killed children also. In your zero tolerance society every speeder deserves jail.. Stupid.
"I just had the pistol in my glove compartment and I forgot about it!"
"I was going to sell it later!"
"It wasn't loaded!"
"It's not mine!"
"Somebody gave it to me!"
"I was going hunting later!"
etc. etc. etc. Then, either on purpose or by accident, ...someone's child dies.
Speeding has killed children also. In your zero tolerance society every speeder deserves jail.. Stupid.
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1425947 wrote: I blame those who created the zero tolerance policy, and those who unquestionably enforce it, without regret.
That would be all your fellow Americans.
Bull. It is as mindless as a land mine.
the law is only mindless to those without minds. Do you advocate only obeying laws you want to?
Every person accused of a crime is afforded the opportunity to present a defense.
There is due process for these things. He will most likely appeal to the school board.
The only thing the kid do wrong was when he called Mom he spilled the beans to an ease dropper.
He brought a gun to school. To you, anything having to do with a gun is never wrong. Fortunately, the rest of us believe in law, order, and responsibility.
As for the "eve's dropper," are you seriously saying that a student who overhears another student telling someone he has a gun on campus SHOULDN'T REPORT IT?! What kind of an adult would say that?!! Is there something WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
Now quit trying to stick up for him when you know he was wrong. Some lessons must be learned the hard way in life. I hope this kid learned to take rules, regulations, and laws seriously. He'll need that as an adult, lest he adopt a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the law.
I've said my piece, I'm out.
That would be all your fellow Americans.
Bull. It is as mindless as a land mine.
the law is only mindless to those without minds. Do you advocate only obeying laws you want to?
Every person accused of a crime is afforded the opportunity to present a defense.
There is due process for these things. He will most likely appeal to the school board.
The only thing the kid do wrong was when he called Mom he spilled the beans to an ease dropper.
He brought a gun to school. To you, anything having to do with a gun is never wrong. Fortunately, the rest of us believe in law, order, and responsibility.
As for the "eve's dropper," are you seriously saying that a student who overhears another student telling someone he has a gun on campus SHOULDN'T REPORT IT?! What kind of an adult would say that?!! Is there something WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
Now quit trying to stick up for him when you know he was wrong. Some lessons must be learned the hard way in life. I hope this kid learned to take rules, regulations, and laws seriously. He'll need that as an adult, lest he adopt a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the law.
I've said my piece, I'm out.
Is this an overreaction?
Er... Eavesdropping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Is this an overreaction?
Aren't these the laws the NRA says to enforce before any new laws are created? The gun lobby has their hands all over most of these laws, ya know.
This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
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Saint_;1425966 wrote: That would be all your fellow Americans.
Please, be kind. It was my fellow Americans who re-elected President Obama.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: the law is only mindless to those without minds.
:-2 Not clear just what you are talking about.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Do you advocate only obeying laws you want to?
Nowhere have I advocated such a thing.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: There is due process for these things. He will most likely appeal to the school board.
I been keeping close track of this, ain't seen it yet. As with most stories everything is not as it seems at first.
Non the less, this is another example of mindless jack wagon zero tolerance.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: He brought a gun to school. To you, anything having to do with a gun is never wrong. Fortunately, the rest of us believe in law, order, and responsibility.
At best your accusation slanderous. Nowhere have I ever been less than the kind of LAW AND ORDER kind of guy.
As for the "eve's dropper," are you seriously saying that a student who overhears another student telling someone he has a gun on campus SHOULDN'T REPORT IT?! What kind of an adult would say that?!! Is there something WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
First of all, the gun was not on campus. It was locked securely in a pick up truck.
What the snitch heard was him talking to his Mom to help to safely remove the shotgun.
So the kid was stupid, calling Mom.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Now quit trying to stick up for him when you know he was wrong.
Nobody says different. He messed up.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Some lessons must be learned the hard way in life.
my gawd, if not for the luck of the draw anyone of us could be convicted of a FELONY
Saint_;1425966 wrote: I hope this kid learned to take rules, regulations, and laws seriously.
Obviously, you did not follow the story, otherwise you would know he was doing his best to correct a mistake.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: He'll need that as an adult, lest he adopt a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the law.
?????
Are you f'ing dense or what??
It was he did not have a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the lawwhich got him into trouble in the first place.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: I've said my piece, I'm out.
Just as well.
Please, be kind. It was my fellow Americans who re-elected President Obama.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: the law is only mindless to those without minds.
:-2 Not clear just what you are talking about.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Do you advocate only obeying laws you want to?
Nowhere have I advocated such a thing.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: There is due process for these things. He will most likely appeal to the school board.
I been keeping close track of this, ain't seen it yet. As with most stories everything is not as it seems at first.
Non the less, this is another example of mindless jack wagon zero tolerance.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: He brought a gun to school. To you, anything having to do with a gun is never wrong. Fortunately, the rest of us believe in law, order, and responsibility.
At best your accusation slanderous. Nowhere have I ever been less than the kind of LAW AND ORDER kind of guy.
As for the "eve's dropper," are you seriously saying that a student who overhears another student telling someone he has a gun on campus SHOULDN'T REPORT IT?! What kind of an adult would say that?!! Is there something WRONG WITH YOU?!!!
First of all, the gun was not on campus. It was locked securely in a pick up truck.
What the snitch heard was him talking to his Mom to help to safely remove the shotgun.
So the kid was stupid, calling Mom.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Now quit trying to stick up for him when you know he was wrong.
Nobody says different. He messed up.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: Some lessons must be learned the hard way in life.
my gawd, if not for the luck of the draw anyone of us could be convicted of a FELONY
Saint_;1425966 wrote: I hope this kid learned to take rules, regulations, and laws seriously.
Obviously, you did not follow the story, otherwise you would know he was doing his best to correct a mistake.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: He'll need that as an adult, lest he adopt a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the law.
?????
Are you f'ing dense or what??
It was he did not have a lackluster, wishy-washy, double-standard view of the lawwhich got him into trouble in the first place.
Saint_;1425966 wrote: I've said my piece, I'm out.
Just as well.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
Ahso!;1425975 wrote: Aren't these the laws the NRA says to enforce before any new laws are created? The gun lobby has their hands all over most of these laws, ya know.
Really?
How about an example or two.
Ahso!;1425975 wrote: This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
That's the best you got?
I've said it before. Your'e a funny guy.
Pathetic :yh_shame
but funny
Really?
How about an example or two.
Ahso!;1425975 wrote: This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
That's the best you got?
I've said it before. Your'e a funny guy.
Pathetic :yh_shame
but funny
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
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tude dog;1425947 wrote: I blame those who created the zero tolerance policy, and those who unquestionably enforce it, without regret.And without thought. This fits Saint's paranoid view of guns, so he supports it without thought. It wouldn't matter what punishment came with it. I doubt there is any price he wouldn't be willing for others to pay so long as he gets his way.
tude dog;1425985 wrote: my gawd, if not for the luck of the draw anyone of us could be convicted of a FELONY
No, actually, we couldn't.
ABC11 has uncovered that two school officials both brought guns onto school property in recent years, but were never charged with felonies like Cole.
An assistant principal at Cole's school was suspended for three days, but never criminally charged. She still works in the same position at the school.....
The Johnston County Sheriff's Office told ABC11 that if a school administrator brings a gun to school, they will be charged with a misdemeanor. For a student, the charge is an automatic felony.
Forgetful Skeet Shooting Honors Student Expelled from High School, Facing Felony Weapons Charges - Hit & Run : Reason.com
tude dog;1425985 wrote: my gawd, if not for the luck of the draw anyone of us could be convicted of a FELONY
No, actually, we couldn't.
ABC11 has uncovered that two school officials both brought guns onto school property in recent years, but were never charged with felonies like Cole.
An assistant principal at Cole's school was suspended for three days, but never criminally charged. She still works in the same position at the school.....
The Johnston County Sheriff's Office told ABC11 that if a school administrator brings a gun to school, they will be charged with a misdemeanor. For a student, the charge is an automatic felony.
Forgetful Skeet Shooting Honors Student Expelled from High School, Facing Felony Weapons Charges - Hit & Run : Reason.com
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1425987 wrote: Really?
How about an example or two.If I provide an example will you concede the point?
How about an example or two.If I provide an example will you concede the point?
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Be the wave that I am and then
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Accountable;1426001 wrote: And without thought. This fits Saint's paranoid view of guns, so he supports it without thought. It wouldn't matter what punishment came with it. I doubt there is any price he wouldn't be willing for others to pay so long as he gets his way.
No, actually, we couldn't.
Forgetful Skeet Shooting Honors Student Expelled from High School, Facing Felony Weapons Charges - Hit & Run : Reason.comAre you aware that you troll? You do. You are. What ever way you prefer it be put to you.
No, actually, we couldn't.
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Why ...Why are you carrying guns around in glove boxes ...why are kids travelling with guns in their cars?
Anyone and I mean anyone who can "forget" where their firearms are at any given time should be shot!!!! Okay maybe not shot , maybe beaten over the head with a blunt instrument....okay then....... They should not own or be anywhere near firearms because they simply cannot be trusted with them .
Who the hell 'leaves' their firearm somewhere???? What the hell is that all about? My god I do not understand yanks. I honestly dont.
Anyone and I mean anyone who can "forget" where their firearms are at any given time should be shot!!!! Okay maybe not shot , maybe beaten over the head with a blunt instrument....okay then....... They should not own or be anywhere near firearms because they simply cannot be trusted with them .
Who the hell 'leaves' their firearm somewhere???? What the hell is that all about? My god I do not understand yanks. I honestly dont.
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Ahso!;1426016 wrote: Are you aware that you troll? You do. You are. What ever way you prefer it be put to you.
I troll threads (that I started) by posting comments that are on topic. Okay.
Stop trying to derail the thread.
I troll threads (that I started) by posting comments that are on topic. Okay.
Stop trying to derail the thread.
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Well I can tell you right now accountable. Here they would have their lisences revoked, be arrested and charged, all firearms would be removed from them and they would have to apply to a court to apply to have their firearms lisence again. Why wasn't the womans firearm not locked in a gun cabnet and bullets in another hidden area of her residence ? I suppose the bullets were within the vicinity of the said firearm? Why is a highschool student carying a gun without a suitable registered lisenced adult with him at all times whilst he has the firearm in his pocession? and like the woman why is it not in a gun cabnet at home ? And why is it not in a secure gun box bolted to the vehicle?
You guys have so much work to do on your safety and firearms laws.
You guys have so much work to do on your safety and firearms laws.
Is this an overreaction?
Hopefully he will have a jury trial and a jury of his peers will have the common sense to look at his actions and decide accordingly. Why not just give him a police caution or whatever the equivalent is in the US.
Is this an overreaction?
gmc;1426025 wrote: Hopefully he will have a jury trial and a jury of his peers will have the common sense to look at his actions and decide accordingly. Why not just give him a police caution or whatever the equivalent is in the US.Because that's not the deal the gun lobby and legislators worked out. The gun lobby wants all the fire arms they can get out to the public but as a trade off tough laws like these no-tolerance ones are negotiated. If the gun lobby really cared about its members and the general public they'd never agree to these types of laws. But they do. Why? Because all the gun lobby represents is the gun manufacturers and couldn't give a rat's ass about anything or anyone else. That's their job, to represent their client, not the public.
The way the American system works is that a party takes a position on an issue and occupies it assuming that another entity will take an opposing position (or any other relevant ones). Business entities and their representatives (lobbying firms) take a stand on an issue and our elected representatives are supposed to be representing the public. However, oftentimes the business entity is their constituent too so it makes it hard to oppose offers that will create jobs in the legislator's district or state. So, what happens then is a special interest group (lobbying firm sometimes, though not often) takes up the public position best it can but they get vilified by the right as bleeding heart liberals (or socialists) and the fight becomes unfair between the money available on the commercial side and the fact that the legislators are eying the attention of lobbying firms on a long view for either their future or that of friends or family.
You can't really blame anyone for playing the game as it's designed to be played, nor can you fault people for watching out for themselves or their loved ones.
Our system has become obscene to certain degrees. Perhaps it always has been obscene.
The way the American system works is that a party takes a position on an issue and occupies it assuming that another entity will take an opposing position (or any other relevant ones). Business entities and their representatives (lobbying firms) take a stand on an issue and our elected representatives are supposed to be representing the public. However, oftentimes the business entity is their constituent too so it makes it hard to oppose offers that will create jobs in the legislator's district or state. So, what happens then is a special interest group (lobbying firm sometimes, though not often) takes up the public position best it can but they get vilified by the right as bleeding heart liberals (or socialists) and the fight becomes unfair between the money available on the commercial side and the fact that the legislators are eying the attention of lobbying firms on a long view for either their future or that of friends or family.
You can't really blame anyone for playing the game as it's designed to be played, nor can you fault people for watching out for themselves or their loved ones.
Our system has become obscene to certain degrees. Perhaps it always has been obscene.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is this an overreaction?
fuzzywuzzy;1426017 wrote: Why ...Why are you carrying guns around in glove boxes ...
That was the school vice principal. Her student is threatened with a one year expulsion, felony charge. She got three days off, after trying to cover it up.
fuzzywuzzy;1426017 wrote: why are kids travelling with guns in their cars?
He took it on a trip to go fishing and trap shooting. He forgot about it till he got to school the next day.
In the real world, not smart, but no crime.
That was the school vice principal. Her student is threatened with a one year expulsion, felony charge. She got three days off, after trying to cover it up.
fuzzywuzzy;1426017 wrote: why are kids travelling with guns in their cars?
He took it on a trip to go fishing and trap shooting. He forgot about it till he got to school the next day.
In the real world, not smart, but no crime.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1425987 wrote: Really?
How about an example or two.ahso! wrote: If I provide an example will you concede the point? [/ignored]
See, this is what happens with you when you make your demands and then one is made of you. You run! I've made this offer to you several times since you joined the site only to be ignored.
This is why I have no use for anything you say. You're nothing other than a troll. Though I doubt you realize that. You might just be a sloppy conversationalist that resembles a troll.
How about an example or two.ahso! wrote: If I provide an example will you concede the point? [/ignored]
See, this is what happens with you when you make your demands and then one is made of you. You run! I've made this offer to you several times since you joined the site only to be ignored.
This is why I have no use for anything you say. You're nothing other than a troll. Though I doubt you realize that. You might just be a sloppy conversationalist that resembles a troll.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is this an overreaction?
gmc;1426025 wrote: Hopefully he will have a jury trial and a jury of his peers will have the common sense to look at his actions and decide accordingly. Why not just give him a police caution or whatever the equivalent is in the US.
I believe the school expulsion is an administrative thing. They have the power to do that. I suppose it could be appealed. If he charged with a felony, that could go to full trial, he may plead out. But then maybe the District Attorney may decide to not bother.
Gonna take time.
You can ignore everything Ahso! just wrote. He just made that stuff up. None of it has any basis in reality.
I believe the school expulsion is an administrative thing. They have the power to do that. I suppose it could be appealed. If he charged with a felony, that could go to full trial, he may plead out. But then maybe the District Attorney may decide to not bother.
Gonna take time.
You can ignore everything Ahso! just wrote. He just made that stuff up. None of it has any basis in reality.
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1426041 wrote: You can ignore everything Ahso! just wrote. He just made that stuff up. None of it has any basis in reality.You might want to specify what exactly it is I've got wrong and then you and I can go examine it.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is this an overreaction?
Ahso!;1425975 wrote: Aren't these the laws the NRA says to enforce before any new laws are created? The gun lobby has their hands all over most of these laws, ya know.
This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
tude dog;1425987 wrote: Really?
How about an example or two.ahso! wrote: If I provide an example will you concede the point?
gmc;1426025 wrote: Hopefully he will have a jury trial and a jury of his peers will have the common sense to look at his actions and decide accordingly. Why not just give him a police caution or whatever the equivalent is in the US.ahso! wrote: Because that's not the deal the gun lobby and legislators worked out. The gun lobby wants all the fire arms they can get out to the public but as a trade off tough laws like these no-tolerance ones are negotiated. If the gun lobby really cared about its members and the general public they'd never agree to these types of laws. But they do. Why? Because all the gun lobby represents is the gun manufacturers and couldn't give a rat's ass about anything or anyone else. That's their job, to represent their client, not the public.
The way the American system works is that a party takes a position on an issue and occupies it assuming that another entity will take an opposing position (or any other relevant ones). Business entities and their representatives (lobbying firms) take a stand on an issue and our elected representatives are supposed to be representing the public. However, oftentimes the business entity is their constituent too so it makes it hard to oppose offers that will create jobs in the legislator's district or state. So, what happens then is a special interest group (lobbying firm sometimes, though not often) takes up the public position best it can but they get vilified by the right as bleeding heart liberals (or socialists) and the fight becomes unfair between the money available on the commercial side and the fact that the legislators are eying the attention of lobbying firms on a long view for either their future or that of friends or family.
You can't really blame anyone for playing the game as it's designed to be played, nor can you fault people for watching out for themselves or their loved ones.
Our system has become obscene to certain degrees. Perhaps it always has been obscene.
tude dog;1426041 wrote: You can ignore everything Ahso! just wrote. He just made that stuff up. None of it has any basis in reality.
Ahso!;1426046 wrote: You might want to specify what exactly it is I've got wrong and then you and I can go examine it.I didn't think that would work for you. Perhaps you were hoping Acct would come to your rescue? He might be waiting for you to make an accounting of yourself (Accountable - get it?). Even though he's fallen into the troughs of becoming a troll lately, he'll snap out of it. You, however, won't be so fortunate.
Now what you'll do is permit time for people to forget this exchange; you'll lay low with me for a little while and then resurface with your charges again and then maybe we'll do this dance again for the fourth time.
Buh-Bye, TD.
This is how guns and the gun industry create criminals. Now this kid will have a felony record and TD can classify him as a lowlife scumbag shortly after he forgets who he is. Cool deal.
tude dog;1425987 wrote: Really?
How about an example or two.ahso! wrote: If I provide an example will you concede the point?
gmc;1426025 wrote: Hopefully he will have a jury trial and a jury of his peers will have the common sense to look at his actions and decide accordingly. Why not just give him a police caution or whatever the equivalent is in the US.ahso! wrote: Because that's not the deal the gun lobby and legislators worked out. The gun lobby wants all the fire arms they can get out to the public but as a trade off tough laws like these no-tolerance ones are negotiated. If the gun lobby really cared about its members and the general public they'd never agree to these types of laws. But they do. Why? Because all the gun lobby represents is the gun manufacturers and couldn't give a rat's ass about anything or anyone else. That's their job, to represent their client, not the public.
The way the American system works is that a party takes a position on an issue and occupies it assuming that another entity will take an opposing position (or any other relevant ones). Business entities and their representatives (lobbying firms) take a stand on an issue and our elected representatives are supposed to be representing the public. However, oftentimes the business entity is their constituent too so it makes it hard to oppose offers that will create jobs in the legislator's district or state. So, what happens then is a special interest group (lobbying firm sometimes, though not often) takes up the public position best it can but they get vilified by the right as bleeding heart liberals (or socialists) and the fight becomes unfair between the money available on the commercial side and the fact that the legislators are eying the attention of lobbying firms on a long view for either their future or that of friends or family.
You can't really blame anyone for playing the game as it's designed to be played, nor can you fault people for watching out for themselves or their loved ones.
Our system has become obscene to certain degrees. Perhaps it always has been obscene.
tude dog;1426041 wrote: You can ignore everything Ahso! just wrote. He just made that stuff up. None of it has any basis in reality.
Ahso!;1426046 wrote: You might want to specify what exactly it is I've got wrong and then you and I can go examine it.I didn't think that would work for you. Perhaps you were hoping Acct would come to your rescue? He might be waiting for you to make an accounting of yourself (Accountable - get it?). Even though he's fallen into the troughs of becoming a troll lately, he'll snap out of it. You, however, won't be so fortunate.
Now what you'll do is permit time for people to forget this exchange; you'll lay low with me for a little while and then resurface with your charges again and then maybe we'll do this dance again for the fourth time.
Buh-Bye, TD.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Is this an overreaction?
fuzzywuzzy;1426017 wrote: Why ...Why are you carrying guns around in glove boxes ...why are kids travelling with guns in their cars?
Anyone and I mean anyone who can "forget" where their firearms are at any given time should be shot!!!! Okay maybe not shot , maybe beaten over the head with a blunt instrument....okay then....... They should not own or be anywhere near firearms because they simply cannot be trusted with them .
Who the hell 'leaves' their firearm somewhere???? What the hell is that all about? My god I do not understand yanks. I honestly dont.
Too right.
I have to agree.
Gun control starts with making sure you know where your guns are.
To "accidentally" leave a firearm in your car for a day or so is just stupid.
And the kid is an Eagle Scout? Sorry, a 10 day suspension is not a harsh punishment for something like that.
In retrospect, though, the kid should have just taken the gun home and put it away and taken the hit for being tardy.
Not the brightest bulb on the tree, if you ask me.
Anyone and I mean anyone who can "forget" where their firearms are at any given time should be shot!!!! Okay maybe not shot , maybe beaten over the head with a blunt instrument....okay then....... They should not own or be anywhere near firearms because they simply cannot be trusted with them .
Who the hell 'leaves' their firearm somewhere???? What the hell is that all about? My god I do not understand yanks. I honestly dont.
Too right.
I have to agree.
Gun control starts with making sure you know where your guns are.
To "accidentally" leave a firearm in your car for a day or so is just stupid.
And the kid is an Eagle Scout? Sorry, a 10 day suspension is not a harsh punishment for something like that.
In retrospect, though, the kid should have just taken the gun home and put it away and taken the hit for being tardy.
Not the brightest bulb on the tree, if you ask me.
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Is this an overreaction?
I've seen honors students make some really dumb decisions, especially senior year. Reality gets kinda skewed when a scholarship hinges on perfect attendance or some such.
Is this an overreaction?
tude dog;1426041 wrote: I believe the school expulsion is an administrative thing. They have the power to do that. I suppose it could be appealed. If he charged with a felony, that could go to full trial, he may plead out. But then maybe the District Attorney may decide to not bother.
Gonna take time.
Looks like there is a court date.
Withrow is scheduled for a court appearance May 16.
I wonder now beyond the stress on the family, this one court date is going to cost them financially?
Now consider this,
“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,
I ain't no lawyer, but does anybody here but me see the problem the state has?
In 2011, Princeton High assistant principal Catherine Bennett was suspended for three days without pay for leaving a loaded handgun in the glove box of her car. Students in an auto-mechanics class discovered it.
The Johnston County Sheriff’s Office declined to press charges in that case, investigators said, because Bennett did not know the gun was in the car. It belonged to her husband, who’d left it there.
:-5
Gonna take time.
Looks like there is a court date.
Withrow is scheduled for a court appearance May 16.
I wonder now beyond the stress on the family, this one court date is going to cost them financially?
Now consider this,
“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,
I ain't no lawyer, but does anybody here but me see the problem the state has?
In 2011, Princeton High assistant principal Catherine Bennett was suspended for three days without pay for leaving a loaded handgun in the glove box of her car. Students in an auto-mechanics class discovered it.
The Johnston County Sheriff’s Office declined to press charges in that case, investigators said, because Bennett did not know the gun was in the car. It belonged to her husband, who’d left it there.
:-5
What happened to Kamala Harris' campaign?
She had the black vote all locked up.
She had the black vote all locked up.
Is this an overreaction?
Accountable;1426069 wrote: ...Reality gets kinda skewed ...
'nuff said.
'nuff said.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
- DH Lawrence
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