Is God Real?

rmb9349 · Post by **rmb9349** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:00 am

My dear Mickiel, I have just read the first page of threads to your thought provoking and soul searching thread. You are quite self aware and I applaud and infact envy this. Take a moment to meditate on your original question and your following threads. Dear one, you have anwered your own question. GOD is not in need of being proven. This is your need. You reference the Bible and other disciplines. In all of these there is one common theme...FAITH, With "proof" there is no faith, there is only knowledge. If you have faith enough to step into an elevator and push to be taken to the 20th floor and not, instead, plumet to your death, then why must you prove GOD? Your greatest proof lay in the fact that energy cannot be destroyed. Use your brief time in this realm to enjoy the Greatness that Is GOD. all you have to do is open your eyes and nurture that which HE has created.

Blessings to you

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:59 am

rmb9349;1419882 wrote: My dear Mickiel, I have just read the first page of threads to your thought provoking and soul searching thread. You are quite self aware and I applaud and infact envy this. Take a moment to meditate on your original question and your following threads. Dear one, you have anwered your own question. GOD is not in need of being proven. This is your need. You reference the Bible and other disciplines. In all of these there is one common theme...FAITH, With "proof" there is no faith, there is only knowledge. If you have faith enough to step into an elevator and push to be taken to the 20th floor and not, instead, plumet to your death, then why must you prove GOD? Your greatest proof lay in the fact that energy cannot be destroyed. Use your brief time in this realm to enjoy the Greatness that Is GOD. all you have to do is open your eyes and nurture that which HE has created.

Blessings to you

I like proving God; its my thing. And I don't expect others to understand it or approve of it, I will never stop doing it. I like the bible as well; in 1 Thess. 5:21 there is a biblical principle that I like and understand, it states " Prove All Things", it means to examine everything carefully and prove it to yourself. In my view, the one greatest thing that a person can prove, is God. I like God, and I like proving he exist.

Post by **jones jones** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:06 am

Mickiel;1419893 wrote: I like proving God; its my thing. And I don't expect others to understand it or approve of it, I will never stop doing it. I like the bible as well; in 1 Thess. 5:21 there is a biblical principle that I like and understand, it states " Prove All Things", it means to examine everything carefully and prove it to yourself. In my view, the one greatest thing that a person can prove, is God. I like God, and I like proving he exist.

Something I find odd about this.

We allegedly have here a being who looks just like us so if we see him he isn't gonna freak anyone out.

So to once and for all end the god/no god debate why doesn't he just materialise here on earth and bring his son Jesus with him.

Should be a piece of old rope for someone who created the entire universe and everything in it inside of six days.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:12 am

jones jones;1419899 wrote: Something I find odd about this.

We allegedly have here a being who looks just like us so if we see him he isn't gonna freak anyone out.

So to once and for all end the god/no god debate why doesn't he just materialise here on earth and bring his son Jesus with him.

Should be a piece of old rope for someone who created the entire universe and everything in it inside of six days.

The six day created universe is a gross Christian error, we do not know how long it took God to create the material world, it could have well been millions of earth measured years. But it was not 6-- 24 hour days. Secondly, God does not look like us; the Image of God means " Consciousness", we are conscious as God is conscious, that is another Christian error in teaching. We do not know what God looks like. And God will return to earth with Jesus, just not today.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:13 am

jones jones;1419899 wrote: Something I find odd about this.

We allegedly have here a being who looks just like us so if we see him he isn't gonna freak anyone out.

So to once and for all end the god/no god debate why doesn't he just materialise here on earth and bring his son Jesus with him.

Should be a piece of old rope for someone who created the entire universe and everything in it inside of six days.

That's easy. Because he doesn't want to.

Post by **jones jones** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:23 am

AnneBoleyn;1419906 wrote: That's easy. Because he doesn't want to.

And how come you're privy to such privileged infomation?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:28 am

jones jones;1419912 wrote: And how come you're privy to such privileged infomation?

Its called " Reading"; its all written in the bible and anyone who can read has free access to it. This " Privy talk" is just a useless smoke screen used by people to cloud conversation.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:30 pm

Is God real? If you can ask yourself that question, then you are real; now, explain to me WHY if YOU are real, then God cannot be real? Are you more than God? Are you more relevant than a God would be? What makes your reality greater than God?

If you are real, then why could God NOT be real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:05 am

Now how can we be real, and God not be real? That makes absolutely no sense at all; its arcane! Your realness is absolute evidence of God's realness, unless you have been seduced into giving your realness over to magical chemicals and matter that popped into existence, popped the necessary ingredients into existence, magically combined these together and produced your forefathers through a line of mutating beast inferior to you. People are running around looking for evidence of God, when they themselves are evidence, but they can't see their own noses.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:50 am

People think that God is imagined or made up, and I just don't think that primordial humans, or even the first civilized humans had that kind of imagination. Its too complex, this story of God, its too real, both in our history and in our diverse cultures. God is real, not imagined or made up, but we can be sure that even real stories and history can be mixed with fokelore and junk; but God " Has to do with far too many things in our past and our present", and being real means " Having to do with things."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:16 pm

God is real and religion is fake , and religion has raised professional fake people. And the realness of God is mistakingly being based on the behavior of these professional fakes.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Feb 21, 2013 9:37 am

God is real and Christianity is a clone of the original followers of Christ; an its a defective clone. So Christianity is not real, or really based on the true intents of Christ.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:33 pm

Atheism is real, but it is destined to be distingushed. Its temporary blindness; its no agenda; its really not real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:08 am

Is God real? Why not ask the question can anything be real without God?

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:13 am

After a hundred and something gazillian post on this meaningless thread you have yet to answer a simple question without using gobbledygook ...

Why does your "god" nor reveal himself to the world and end all speculation about whether or not he exists?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:15 am

Mickiel;1421290 wrote: Is God real? Why not ask the question can anything be real without God?Can anything be real without God?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:23 am

Ahso!;1421325 wrote: Can anything be real without God?

God IS reality. Nothing could be real without him. We could never know anything different. We can only be conscious of, those things we are conscious of. God is consciousness.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:27 am

Mickiel;1421332 wrote: God IS reality. Nothing could be real without him. We could never know anything different. We can only be conscious of, those things we are conscious of. God is consciousness.Why then is God not a part of my consciousness? If God is consciousness itself, I'd have no choice and that shoots down the idea of free will all together.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:39 am

Ahso!;1421336 wrote: Why then is God not a part of my consciousness? If God is consciousness itself, I'd have no choice and that shoots down the idea of free will all together.

There is no such thing as free will, that is an illusion; and God is part of your consciousness,. your just in the closet about it.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:40 am

Mickiel;1421345 wrote: There is no such thing as free will, that is an illusion; and God is part of your consciousness,. your just in the closet about it.According to you I can't be in any closet or in denial since God IS consciousness. Those are your words, Mickey.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:47 am

Ahso!;1421348 wrote: According to you I can't be in any closet or in denial since God IS consciousness. Those are your words, Mickey.

You are in the closet, you are in denial. You see because I already know its impossible for God not to exist; any conscious mind that thinks he does not, is in a state of conscious denial.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:49 am

Mickiel;1421355 wrote: You are in the closet, you are in denial. You see because I already know its impossible for God not to exist; any conscious mind that thinks he does not, is in a state of conscious denial.What you're saying then is that God denies himself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:52 am

Ahso!;1421357 wrote: What you're saying then is that God denies himself.

No, thats what your saying; I have not said that.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:54 am

Mickiel;1421362 wrote: No, thats what your saying; I have not said that.Yes you did. You said God is consciousness and then you said people could deny God consciously; which means God denies himself.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:02 am

Ahso!;1421365 wrote: Yes you did. You said God is consciousness and then you said people could deny God consciously; which means God denies himself.

It means that in your twisted reasoning, not mine.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:09 am

Mickiel;1421369 wrote: It means that in your twisted reasoning, not mine.Why don't you simply accept responsibility for what you type? My examining what you say is a plus since that might expose some errors and you can therefore correct those later on. You yourself admitted that what you say about God is fallible. Use the criticisms and critiques others provide as an opportunity to represent your God better. That's what we're all here for, to learn to better express ourselves, and help one another in that endeavor. That's what a forum is.

Do you agree with me on forums, or do you think they are a platform for you to preach and condemn others?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:58 am

Is God real?

That's weird; your breathing, yet you ask yourself that question.

Man thinks he gave himself life.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:17 am

Mickiel;1421671 wrote: Is God real?

That's weird; your breathing, yet you ask yourself that question.

Man thinks he gave himself life.I don't know of any man or woman who thinks that. Some people might take life for granted, but that's different.

God is not inherently known. In fact all beings are born without knowledge of any god.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:36 pm

Ahso!;1421672 wrote:

God is not inherently known. In fact all beings are born without knowledge of any god.

I agree 100%, God is not inherently known; I don't even think he is known in many of the ways that are being taught; but people certainly do want to know him; I know I sure would like to know him.

I sure would.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:50 pm

Is God real? We have religion, history, books, the universe, nature, animals, humans, life, and consciousness itself; yet we still wonder if God is real? The history of Jesus, the belief of humans; yet all this seems just not enough; we still need more to be " Sure." And I don't see anything wrong with that; we need that crowning assurance, that cross the line convincing; that seeing is believing; and hey, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

And you know what, I think we all will get that one day;

just not today!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:35 pm

I think the two most convincing arguments that God is real are consciousness and reality itself; just monster bombs exploding in the face of any arguments. How and when did reality begin? Well all we can hope to even imagine is how " Our reality began." Because we are definitely finite and had a beginning, as our universe had to have one also. No matter how one chooses to get that far, reality had to exist before all physical matter existed, so our beginning was just " A Beginning" in a reality that already was real. So our reality was " Birthed", and I think that birth was conceived by the reality that preceeded it. Science can only explain so much, but reality preceeds scientific explination; and our great reality had to be birthed by a far greater reality, because our reality was " Realized by us" because we are " Conscious of that reality." Our universe is not conscious, its not aware of itself, so it can never be aware of itself; so the physical universe was not birthed by our consciousness. Humans then are a different form of reality because we are conscious of our reality. So human consciousness cannot be a result of physical matter that had an unconscious beginning; that difference defines why God is real.

It points to a great conscious power that had to bring things into reality and give meaning to reality and why things exist. Matter has no consciousness, so consciousness could not have created itself, or it would have created itself 99 trillion years ago, why did it wait until it did to pop into being? If it popped into reality, it would have always been popping before. So there is a conscious reason for consciousness to exist, and that points to a conscious God. Reality points to a real God. So there is real reason to reason that God is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:46 pm

God is not a frankenstein monster that man made up, instead man has often been the monster that God made up. Where did the evil in man come from? Where did the good in man come from? Where did the very concepts of good and evil come from? Science cannot explain that because it is not a scientific issue. Morality did not evolve or create itself; they are very real modes of being. Very powerful ways of being; and very stunning proofs of God that I want to go into.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:06 am

As I examine evolution and its incredible implications, I cannot see good and evil evolving from a beginning such as science portrays; they think humans grew from natural materials, as if we were plants or something. We got these morals, these principles, and I think we got them from somewhere, they did not grow on us from a nebulous beginning. There is no science in good and evil, there is more history to this than evolving matter; changing matter cannot produce morals, or trees would have morals; water would have morals; but only humans have morals.

And that points to something.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:47 am

God is not a business person, he is a Family being; he knows that all things are his; the angels are his; the animals are his; the universe is his; humans are his; reality itself is his; and he takes care if what is his, and he completely rules over it. Family is proof that God is real; the concept of a family came from the head of family.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:17 am

Is God real, well why are you even considering the question? Because there is a presence in the question itself. God is an unseen presence ; like air or magnetism , we cannot see him, but we can see his influence and power. We are not the only culture who has sensed the presence of God, we can see his influence in other cultures; Australia, Bolivia, Borneo, Burma, Canada, China, Cuba, East Africa, Egypt, Fiji, French Polyniasia, Greece, Guyana, Iceland, Iran, Italy, Malay, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Russia, Vietnam and Wales; all have a recorded history that has traced the presence of God in some manner. And one has to consider that as they consider if God is real. Because he has been real historical.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:04 am

When you consider the earth and how it is obviously being protected, there has to be an unseen power and purpose doing that. Controlling gravity, controlling asteroids, manipulating space itself and keeping the earth always at a safe distance from troubles. That is too well ordered to manage itself, these planets are just too big to bring this order to themselves; we are being protected for sure, and that protection is evidence of God for sure.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:15 am

De ja vu, that feeling and sense that you have experienced something before; have you ever got that toward God?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:32 am

1 John 4:8 " The one who does not Love does not know God, for God is Love." This is one reason why many do not know that God is real, because they don't have real Love in their conscious being. Oh they may have a type of love in their lives, but not agape Love, or Godly Love; Love helps to know God is real. This is why my view of God is weak, because my Love is weak.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:38 am

Is God real? Are you real? How do you know you are real? Well you are conscious of yourself, and you can be conscious of God. If God were not real, nobody could be conscious of him.

Aberfortas · Post by **Aberfortas** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:25 am

Good is real but i dont like church, and other stuff. Watch what they do..

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Jul 08, 2013 2:55 pm

If you had to prove God was not real, what would you do? How would you do it?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:19 am

Is God real? Is the invisable man real? No the man is not, but God, now that's another story. Hundreds of cultures in our historical past record some kind of " View of God", ; that dynamic remains today, most of our cultures on earth have some kind of view of God; so culture and history score a plus for there being something real about this. Archaeology also supports this. Human emotion supports there being a God. Written books support it. Some of the things written in those books coming true support there being the real chance of a real God. Human intelligence supports it.

And I think nature and the scientific examination of nature supports it.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:41 pm

Is God Real? What a question.

What new answers could anyone give?

One thing is for sure, he is our only hope for dying and living again. But if a person is content with just this life, I perfectly understand them not thinking God is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:08 am

Is God Real? I would say yes. But that's just me and my view. One reason I know God is perhaps real is the age of the universe; if something that is over 14 billion years old exist, then I can see a being who is eternal existing! If he can design something to last that long, then he can design himself to last longer! Or design other things to last. Then there is the GREAT expanse of the universe, the known and unknown size of it! Its incredible! Its nothing short of spatacular! So in my view, the origin or explination of it can be no less.

Post by **jones jones** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:44 am

Mickiel;1433806 wrote: Is God Real? I would say yes. But that's just me and my view. One reason I know God is perhaps real is the age of the universe; if something that is over 14 billion years old exist, then I can see a being who is eternal existing! If he can design something to last that long, then he can design himself to last longer! Or design other things to last. Then there is the GREAT expanse of the universe, the known and unknown size of it! Its incredible! Its nothing short of spatacular! So in my view, the origin or explination of it can be no less.

You can't keep answering your own questions dude. We all know that you believe that your god is real ... enough already!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:56 am

jones jones;1433815 wrote: You can't keep answering your own questions dude. We all know that you believe that your god is real ... enough already!

I can keep answering them, and you don't have to read it. So why are you reading it?

Post by **jones jones** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:58 am

Mickiel;1433817 wrote: I can keep answering them, and you don't have to read it. So why are you reading it?

I am an atheist and I love fantasy so I read any fantasy thread that is posted here.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:00 am

jones jones;1433818 wrote: I am an atheist and I love fantasy so I read any fantasy thread that is posted here.

Well don't forget to read my thread, " If your not interested in God, then why are you so interested?" In that thread, I confront the Atheist excuses for being interested; your " Fantasy thing" is just an excuse to hide your closet interest; it is transparent and I see through it.

Post by **jones jones** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:28 am

Mickiel;1433819 wrote: Well don't forget to read my thread, " If your not interested in God, then why are you so interested?" In that thread, I confront the Atheist excuses for being interested; your " Fantasy thing" is just an excuse to hide your closet interest; it is transparent and I see through it.

Well whatever pops your cork man!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:35 am

jones jones;1433826 wrote: Well whatever pops your cork man!

Translation; you cannot control what I am doing; you cannot stop it; you cannot understand it; you cannot get to it; so obviously you are not going to like it. I can keep asking questions, keep answering those questions, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

Knowing this pops my cork!