Hurricane Sandy

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:59 pm

TÃ½r;1409479 wrote: This'll take a bit of repairing before the blank patches get filled back in.

Around a quarter of mobile phone towers in the ten East-coast states hit by Hurricane Sandy have been damaged or destroyed, the Federal Communications Commission has said. The FCC is anticipating continued communication problems as other towers are running on backup power.

Quarter of Eastern cell towers BLOWN down BY SANDY - FCC â€¢ The Register

Ouch - more than a short while

Lady J · Post by **Lady J** » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:48 pm

all we can do and hope for is the best....it could take days into weeks for communications to be back.

Stay strong and hopeful.

Erica Kane · Post by **Erica Kane** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:44 am

Chonsi, Aussie Pam & Oscar and whoever else..so far in Kathy Ellen's town, there is no electric and no way to get onto the island unless you stayed there to ride it out. The governor issued a mandatory evacuation for all shore points up & down the Atlantic coast. Almost half the shore towns are still under water but I'm sure we will all hear from KE soon.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:57 am

Erica Kane;1409519 wrote: Chonsi, Aussie Pam & Oscar and whoever else..so far in Kathy Ellen's town, there is no electric and no way to get onto the island unless you stayed there to ride it out. The governor issued a mandatory evacuation for all shore points up & down the Atlantic coast. Almost half the shore towns are still under water but I'm sure we will all hear from KE soon.

Thanks Ducks... I was guessing It was a case of lack of power. If she contacts any of us, she'll contact you first so I'll wait until you get some news.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:00 am

Erica! How is it down in Pine Valley? I sure miss you guys! Regards to Kendall, Bianca, etc.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:04 am

Erica Kane;1409519 wrote: Chonsi, Aussie Pam & Oscar and whoever else..so far in Kathy Ellen's town, there is no electric and no way to get onto the island unless you stayed there to ride it out. The governor issued a mandatory evacuation for all shore points up & down the Atlantic coast. Almost half the shore towns are still under water but I'm sure we will all hear from KE soon.

thanks for the update. it sucks not being able to do anything for folks.

Erica Kane · Post by **Erica Kane** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:19 am

Bianca & Kendall? As far as I know they are now unemployed:wah:..on another note, yeah, cell towers are really screwed up onthe east coast..my tmobile connection is a bit funky..works/doesn't work. Well KE has my phone number I think, def. has my cell but not the house. I'll inbox that to you oscar.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:53 am

Erica Kane;1409524 wrote: Bianca & Kendall? As far as I know they are now unemployed:wah:..on another note, yeah, cell towers are really screwed up onthe east coast..my tmobile connection is a bit funky..works/doesn't work. Well KE has my phone number I think, def. has my cell but not the house. I'll inbox that to you oscar.

Thanks Jeanne... got It... I'm suffering with full blown flu right now so will give you a ring tomorrow night when I'm hoping I will feel a bit better.... I think I've got one of Kathy's relatives on my facebook so I'll message him also.... It'll be good to talk to you again :-4

And Quin of course.... bless him.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 9:39 am

There seems to be concern about water pollution, along with extensive toxic holding pond breaches. http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/82 ... EY=1260075 discusses them. Environmental concerns don't seem to have as much profile as they might in other countries.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:02 am

TÃ½r;1409530 wrote: There seems to be concern about water pollution, along with extensive toxic holding pond breaches. http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/82 ... EY=1260075 discusses them. Environmental concerns don't seem to have as much profile as they might in other countries.

I'm sure they will be addressed as soon as possible.

Never miss an opportunity..

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:17 am

YZGI;1409531 wrote: I'm sure they will be addressed as soon as possible. Do you really think so? There's no benefit to a capitalist state in improving environmental health. Keeping a country clean is a socialist approach to governance and the USA doesn't do socialism. If only the country understood the concept of jurisdiction I'd leave you all to it. It's important that somehow, eventually, you get taught.

Anyway. On topic: the recent storm has spread a lot of toxic waste water into places it ought not to have got.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:31 am

TÃ½r;1409532 wrote: Do you really think so? There's no benefit to a capitalist state in improving environmental health. Keeping a country clean is a socialist approach to governance and the USA doesn't do socialism. If only the country understood the concept of jurisdiction I'd leave you all to it. It's important that somehow, eventually, you get taught.

Anyway. On topic: the recent storm has spread a lot of toxic waste water into places it ought not to have got.

Are you implying, that if a similar hurricane, storm, act of mother nature etc. etc. were to occur in the UK that no toxic waste would get where it wasn't supposed too?

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:17 am

YZGI;1409533 wrote: Are you implying, that if a similar hurricane, storm, act of mother nature etc. etc. were to occur in the UK that no toxic waste would get where it wasn't supposed too?In essence, yes. It's the difference between one sewage plant overspilling in Gloucester and ten eastern states with no effective storm-water drainage. The UK has comparatively effective storm protection because we choose to fund it adequately out of national taxation.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:44 am

TÃ½r;1409534 wrote: In essence, yes. It's the difference between one sewage plant overspilling in Gloucester and ten eastern states with no effective storm-water drainage. The UK has comparatively effective storm protection because we choose to fund it adequately out of national taxation.

Well, hopefully we will never find out.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:02 pm

Meanwhile:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/nyreg ... sandy.html

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:06 pm

AnneBoleyn;1409521 wrote: Erica! How is it down in Pine Valley? I sure miss you guys! Regards to Kendall, Bianca, etc.

Glad to see that you're OK. How did your neighborhood do?

AussiePam · Post by **AussiePam** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:25 pm

Erica Kane;1409519 wrote: Chonsi, Aussie Pam & Oscar and whoever else..so far in Kathy Ellen's town, there is no electric and no way to get onto the island unless you stayed there to ride it out. The governor issued a mandatory evacuation for all shore points up & down the Atlantic coast. Almost half the shore towns are still under water but I'm sure we will all hear from KE soon.

Thanks Erica - I'm glad you're okay. Ditto the poster from Brooklyn. As Erica says, I'm sure Kathy Ellen will get word to her friends one way or another as soon as she can. In the meantime, let's keep her and all those others who've had their lives turned upside down by this disaster in our thoughts and prayers.

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:53 pm

Our local power services fellas are headed east this afternoon. I don't know how you head into a mess like that has to be and make any sense of it.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:15 pm

LarsMac;1409538 wrote: Glad to see that you're OK. How did your neighborhood do?

A literal washout. Lost power from Monday through to last night. I am on the 4th floor & couldn't tell the height of the water rushing below, but found out it was four feet high! All basements flooded, windows of businesses blown out, many places facing the Bay will be out for a long time--floor to ceiling flooding. The following photos are from my neighborhood blog (award winning!) SheepsheadBites.

User Photos, Videos: Damage In Sheepshead Bay, Marine Park And Elsewhere | Sheepshead Bay News Blog

Thanks, LM.

eta: "my neighborhood blog" does not mean written by me!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:19 pm

Glad to see you're okay, Anne! I saw a photo of the Statue of Liberty swamped in giant waves and thought of that stupid movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:21 pm

tabby;1409299 wrote: An Interactive Map of Sandy ~~~~~> Google Crisis Map

I missed this the first read through. Scary to think if all the folks in the dark and going without.

An interesting thing though... gas is down to 3.29 here. It's been dropping since sunday.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:24 pm

SnoozeAgain;1409549 wrote: Glad to see you're okay, Anne! I saw a photo of the Statue of Liberty swamped in giant waves and thought of that stupid movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

Thanks Snooze!

I thought of Planet of the Apes! the original

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:26 pm

AnneBoleyn;1409547 wrote: A literal washout. Lost power from Monday through to last night. I am on the 4th floor & couldn't tell the height of the water rushing below, but found out it was four feet high! All basements flooded, windows of businesses blown out, many places facing the Bay will be out for a long time--floor to ceiling flooding. The following photos are from my neighborhood blog (award winning!) SheepsheadBites.

User Photos, Videos: Damage In Sheepshead Bay, Marine Park And Elsewhere | Sheepshead Bay News Blog

Thanks, LM.

eta: "my neighborhood blog" does not mean written by me!

Glad you are safe. If you wander out there, be careful of downed powerlines.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:27 pm

btw, when all the transformers were exploding Monday night, I thought we were under attack! Sure sounded like it: BOOM BOOM BOOM & the fires briefly sparking up like bombs!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:29 pm

AnneBoleyn;1409553 wrote: btw, when all the transformers were exploding Monday night, I thought we were under attack! Sure sounded like it: BOOM BOOM BOOM & the fires briefly sparking up like bombs!

Is that what caused that horrendous fire? It's weird how flooding seems to cause huge fires like that.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:32 pm

flopstock;1409552 wrote: Glad you are safe. If you wander out there, be careful of downed powerlines.

Thanks flop. You'll be proud to know I behaved like an adult & was calm & mature. Luckily, I have a transistor radio. I spent my teen years with one glued to my ear, so it was not only informative, but a great friend! Don't forget to own one, just in case. Whew! I'm so glad electricity is back on. No heat though, & the temps are........too cold! I have no idea when we will get heat back.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:37 pm

SnoozeAgain;1409554 wrote: Is that what caused that horrendous fire? It's weird how flooding seems to cause huge fires like that.

The one in Breezy Point, the Rockaways. That is so unbelievable horrible, only the foundations are left. I don't know what caused that fire. I'm amazed I heard of no deaths in that. The beach I go to in summer is across from Breezy Point. Beautiful view. All summer their beach was being dredged, new sand brought it, I watched the whole project. Now it's gone, of course. The majority of the residents are cops, firepeople, emt's. While their own homes burnt most of them were fighting fires elsewhere. Devastating.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:43 pm

AnneBoleyn;1409553 wrote: btw, when all the transformers were exploding Monday night, I thought we were under attack! Sure sounded like it: BOOM BOOM BOOM & the fires briefly sparking up like bombs!

Glad to see you're safe Anne.

I know exactly how you feel.... the night of the hurricane on the South Coast of England was frightening for me. The noise of the roof tiles smashing to the ground and the darkness made me feel we were under attack.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:50 pm

oscar;1409562 wrote: Glad to see you're safe Anne.

I know exactly how you feel.... the night of the hurricane on the South Coast of England was frightening for me. The noise of the roof tiles smashing to the ground and the darkness made me feel we were under attack.
thanx oscar. During the blackout I decided being without my computer was even worse than being without television.

Post by **LarsMac** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 8:15 pm

SnoozeAgain;1409549 wrote: Glad to see you're okay, Anne! I saw a photo of the Statue of Liberty swamped in giant waves and thought of that stupid movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

Funny you should mention that, Actually. That photo was a still from "Day After Tomorrow"

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:13 am

Big business putting it out there for the citizens!

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:57 am

Still no word from Kathy Ellen....

Erica Kane · Post by **Erica Kane** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:07 pm

Oscar, yup no word yet from KE. I think for now she might not be able to get on her island yet, they are only letting peeps onto certain islands...hopefully she'll be online soon to update us all. In the meantime, a Nor'easter is heading our way & thats 3 days of rain & wind and not wanted at all

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Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:47 pm

Erica Kane;1409628 wrote: Oscar, yup no word yet from KE. I think for now she might not be able to get on her island yet, they are only letting peeps onto certain islands...hopefully she'll be online soon to update us all. In the meantime, a Nor'easter is heading our way & thats 3 days of rain & wind and not wanted at all

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Even If she's safe, she will be devastated If her house and beach hut Is In ruins.

What a devastating event for anyone to go through?

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:56 pm

The photos I've seen of collapsed buildings all seem to indicate a wooden construction. Is that accurate? Does it sound flimsier than their location might warrant?

Post by **LarsMac** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:25 pm

TÃ½r;1409632 wrote: The photos I've seen of collapsed buildings all seem to indicate a wooden construction. Is that accurate? Does it sound flimsier than their location might warrant?

A lot of the destruction is in older areas where the buildings we never designed to deal such weather.

And yes, mostly wood frame housing built in the mid 20th century.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:31 pm

What does It matter If they are brick, wood or cement ? They are people's homes.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:58 pm

oscar;1409634 wrote: What does It matter If they are brick, wood or cement ? They are people's homes.

All the more reason to have adequate building regulations then, I'd have thought.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:02 pm

TÃ½r;1409635 wrote: All the more reason to have adequate building regulations then, I'd have thought.

So are you saying rather condescendingly that those who have lost their homes got all they deserved because they dwelt In houses made of timber?

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:06 pm

oscar;1409637 wrote: So are you saying rather condescendingly that those who have lost their homes got all they deserved because they dwelt In houses made of timber?

The photos gave no indication that for the area concerned there was much of a choice in the matter. I'm always prepared to be corrected, mind.

A lot of it looked quite unlike timber, more like ply or chipboard. Again, I'm prepared to be corrected. The posts left standing were quite likely timber.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:11 pm

TÃ½r;1409639 wrote: The photos gave no indication that for the area concerned there was much of a choice in the matter. I'm always prepared to be corrected, mind.

A lot of it looked quite unlike timber, more like ply or chipboard. Again, I'm prepared to be corrected. The posts left standing were quite likely timber.

And your point of victims having homes built from timber Is ?

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:13 pm

oscar;1409640 wrote: And your point of victims having homes built from timber Is ?

Victims?

That's not a word I use outside the context of victimization.

Clapboard, that's what I was fishing for earlier.

eta: no it's not, it's Flakeboard.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:20 pm

Chances are that most of those homes were built long before the current residents began occupying them.

As the homes are rebuilt they will hopefully be constructed by more adequate standards and materials. It only makes sense given their placement.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:28 pm

Ahso!;1409643 wrote: As the homes are rebuilt they will hopefully be constructed by more adequate standards and materials. It only makes sense given their placement.

Had the photos accompanied an account of storm damage to the coast of Cameroon I'd not have been surprised. The idea that they represented the US Eastern seaboard is tragic.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:32 pm

They kill a hell of a lot less people than concrete structures. Swings and roundabouts.

TÃ½r · Post by **TÃ½r** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:39 pm

oscar;1409645 wrote: They kill a hell of a lot less people than concrete structures. Swings and roundabouts.

I thought we were discussing "Hurricane Sandy" and its effects. If you want to discuss comparative building techniques I suggest you start a relevant thread.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:56 pm

TÃ½r;1409647 wrote: I thought we were discussing "Hurricane Sandy" and its effects. If you want to discuss comparative building techniques I suggest you start a relevant thread.

No, don't try that old one on me. YOU diverted the subject of the Storm to the buildings materials used In residents homes.

I suggest If you don't like It, YOU go post a new thread.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:56 pm

Bloomberg New York Marathon controversy - chicagotribune.com

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:32 pm

along-for-the-ride;1409650 wrote: Bloomberg New York Marathon controversy - chicagotribune.com

Yeah, they didn't think that through very clearly.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:35 pm

Oh my f**ing god, are you trying to say that the people deserve what they got because of their building material? It's a storm of the century.

You sicken me.