Several days ago I witnessed CTV Canada AM offer to the public what they are touting as the Christmas present to buy this year that is a monocular (as opposed to binocular) night vision glass.
Don't these fools realize that we are at war in Afghanistan? :-5 How many Canadians, British, Americans or others are going to die because of their loose lips sinking ships is OK mentality.
Please do something about this terrible thing that they are offering our enemies by speaking out about it.
If, during WWII, some aspiring entrepreneur decided that they would sell radar to anyone that wanted to have it, then, where would we be today?
Selling night vision glasses during these times of war should be looked upon as the same as selling radar. What is there in place to make sure that they do not fall into the wrong hands? What is there to make sure that the mass manufacture of these items won't start in the neighbouring countries that will then be flooded into the market known as the hands of our adversaries?
To hide from this is both reprehensible and irresponsible. Is this the manner in which the torch of Freedom, handed to us by those that had died for our cause, will be handled by this and future generations?
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Good point.
I was in a sporting goods store the other day with my grandson. Right there in the case with binoculars, spotting scopes etc. were night vision scopes. I was surprised since it’s illegal to hunt just about everything at night. The only good these glasses appear have is for illegal activity. We have become so loose with things that give us a technological advantage that I’m surprised we have one.
Why? Who's responsible? Just follow the money. They would sell their soul.
I was in a sporting goods store the other day with my grandson. Right there in the case with binoculars, spotting scopes etc. were night vision scopes. I was surprised since it’s illegal to hunt just about everything at night. The only good these glasses appear have is for illegal activity. We have become so loose with things that give us a technological advantage that I’m surprised we have one.
Why? Who's responsible? Just follow the money. They would sell their soul.
Schooling results in matriculation. Education is a process that changes the learner.
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Following the money is a good thing to do but it allows those that do it an easy out. The famed "I didn't know the gun was loaded' comes to mind. As we know it is not a defensible argument but it is neither here nor there. What matters is that it be brought to the attention of those that are responsible so that they can change the direction of their dollar chase.
Short of that they should be reminded of the laws that cover selling weapons to the enemy. Mistake? Maybe? But the reality is that some parents somewhere could lose a loved one in a theater of war someplace on this planet. Tell your friends and tell them to tell their friends. This must be stopped or many lives, that shouldn't be, are going to be lost.
Short of that they should be reminded of the laws that cover selling weapons to the enemy. Mistake? Maybe? But the reality is that some parents somewhere could lose a loved one in a theater of war someplace on this planet. Tell your friends and tell them to tell their friends. This must be stopped or many lives, that shouldn't be, are going to be lost.
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To be fair, these things have been available for quite a number of years, worldwide... there is still a "restricted" military grade, but even these can be had quite easily. A quick Internet search will show you.
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Very true. But, just because they have been around for a few years and we are used to seeing and knowing about them doesn't mean that if they fall into the wrong hands that they won't do damage. Even if they aren't military grade doesn't mean that they can't be used in close quarters for ambushes.
A Humvee travelling down the road makes enough noise that it will allow an enemy to let it get close enough so that an ambush can be sprung. They may not have the best equipment but they will be able to make out the target when they pop up out of their hiding places. Any vehicle, for that matter, is fair game.
Imagine if a thousand of them made into the theater. It would allow an enemy to see you at night also. You may have the range but in close quarters they are just as liable to do you as you are to do them.
:-5 The whole point is that people should take care and make sure that they don't let something like this loose on the troops. Any sleepers would be inclined to grab up as many as they could in order to get them to where they will do a lot of damage.
You've got to keep a handle on them or they can cause unforeseen problems. Lord willin' and the creek don't rise it'll all be over soon but if it continues too long the chance of these getting into the area are greater.
A Humvee travelling down the road makes enough noise that it will allow an enemy to let it get close enough so that an ambush can be sprung. They may not have the best equipment but they will be able to make out the target when they pop up out of their hiding places. Any vehicle, for that matter, is fair game.
Imagine if a thousand of them made into the theater. It would allow an enemy to see you at night also. You may have the range but in close quarters they are just as liable to do you as you are to do them.
:-5 The whole point is that people should take care and make sure that they don't let something like this loose on the troops. Any sleepers would be inclined to grab up as many as they could in order to get them to where they will do a lot of damage.
You've got to keep a handle on them or they can cause unforeseen problems. Lord willin' and the creek don't rise it'll all be over soon but if it continues too long the chance of these getting into the area are greater.
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kensloft wrote: Very true. But, just because they have been around for a few years and we are used to seeing and knowing about them doesn't mean that if they fall into the wrong hands that they won't do damage. Even if they aren't military grade doesn't mean that they can't be used in close quarters for ambushes.
The lid's already off, just look on e-bay... if you're average terrorist doesn't know about these things i'd be very surprised. To hear that they're routinely used would surprise me, too.
The lid's already off, just look on e-bay... if you're average terrorist doesn't know about these things i'd be very surprised. To hear that they're routinely used would surprise me, too.
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:-5 It's too bad that they removed the ad that was on this page that told you where to get them by just clicking on the image. I don't think that the quaeda or their buddies foresaw the wrath that would fall on them. Even though they are everywhere to be found why aren't we seeing them in Iraq or Afghanistan? Just because you know about them doesn't mean that you'll find any use for them.
Bring them to people's attention and the light might go off! If it does it could mean trouble because people aren't focussed on what they could do for the enemies fight. You can't not sell them but you can at least make sure of who is buying them.
Bring them to people's attention and the light might go off! If it does it could mean trouble because people aren't focussed on what they could do for the enemies fight. You can't not sell them but you can at least make sure of who is buying them.
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posted by clint
I was in a sporting goods store the other day with my grandson. Right there in the case with binoculars, spotting scopes etc. were night vision scopes. I was surprised since it’s illegal to hunt just about everything at night. The only good these glasses appear have is for illegal activity. We have become so loose with things that give us a technological advantage that I’m surprised we have one.
why just hunting? in the UK a lot of nature lovers buy them for badger, fox watching etc, also hill walking, this time of the year it gets dark about three o'clock although personally I settle for a couple of head torches but some people just love gadgets. The number of people you see with a GPS that can't actually read a map is surprising.
I was in a sporting goods store the other day with my grandson. Right there in the case with binoculars, spotting scopes etc. were night vision scopes. I was surprised since it’s illegal to hunt just about everything at night. The only good these glasses appear have is for illegal activity. We have become so loose with things that give us a technological advantage that I’m surprised we have one.
why just hunting? in the UK a lot of nature lovers buy them for badger, fox watching etc, also hill walking, this time of the year it gets dark about three o'clock although personally I settle for a couple of head torches but some people just love gadgets. The number of people you see with a GPS that can't actually read a map is surprising.
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kensloft wrote: I don't think that the quaeda or their buddies foresaw the wrath that would fall on them.
The wrath seems to have completely missed the target that Joe Public thought it might hit, i.e. A.Q.... see other thread(s).
The wrath seems to have completely missed the target that Joe Public thought it might hit, i.e. A.Q.... see other thread(s).
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One thing that the A.Q. (Al Quaeda?) has learned is that they can run but they can't hide... forever. The wrath of the free world is still, and will be for many years, focussed on bringing them to justice.
Indiscriminate killing is not part of the American lexicon in times of war. It is a fact of life that has proved successful for several generations in the region but they are now faced with people that don't believe in the old ways being the way that Iraqis want to live their lives. One of the religions or some of the local tribes want to turn the clock back so that they can live in the forced adulation that their actions inspired in those beneath their onerous armaments. They don't want to give up because they know that to do so means that they will have to work for a living as opposed to being given tenure in the offices that the rulers decide to put them based solely on their proximity to the bloodlines of the rulers.
Any occupying force comes under the fire in the countries that they have invaded. Whether it is two 2 days, 2 weeks, etc. they will be told to leave and shown the door. Occupying forces from within the country are the cause of civil war.
In the first days of the invasion the Kuwaitis came to the rescue with a small number of trailers filled with food. It was a humanitarian gesture that helped. The cameras were at the ready and the ensuing distribution debacle showed how tough things were for the hungry.
My first thoughts were, "Who are the enemy? Will they attack?. Can they be discerned by just looking?"
Watching the people scrambling desperately at the trucks trying to secure food I noticed that the cameras fell onto some people that had accumulated quite a stash of food and not many people were coming and trying to take any away. Close by the scenario was people fighting/snatching what they could for the boxes that were being handed out.
This anomaly in the behaviour of the recipients was duly noted and so was the dress of the people that were amassing food for either really large families or the troops. They all wore certain headwear. It was a checkered red and white. I told myself that because the inhabitants, per se, did not come and remove these foodstuffs from the three or four people that were gathering the goods meant that these people were probably the enemy.
The people seemed to instinctively keep their distance and it wasn't out of respect. It was out of fear. It was akin to going to a party and some guys wearing angel patches showed up and started taking what they wanted. All it would take to make people back off is a word or a glare from the pillagers. They may not of had weapons but they did seem to be able to get them if they needed them.
The scene spoke for itself.
Of course the headwear started to show up later as being the preferred wear of the Sunni tribes. At that point in time their reach was right to the border with Kuwait. Now it is constrained to the infamous triangle. Only now they can't browbeat the other tribes around them into performing their tasks. Now they have to be satisfied with telling their own what to do. Instead of having innocents from other tribes die for their cause, they are dying.
America has two choices. One is carpet bombing the people within the triangle into oblivion or trying to instill the National Guard and the police into learning that freedom has to be fought for in order to move ahead. The Vietnamese never attacked America. Nor did they finance destruction in America.
A lot of the modern conveniences of the modern world came from the West and what came in was what the rulers allowed. They didn't have groups running around blowing it up at every turn. Everything was happy in the valley. Modern amenities brought to you courtesy of the rulers. The omniscient rulers. No doubt distribution is one of the problems and the people are finding that times are hard.
Their times are not being made any easier by the insurgents wilful, indiscriminate killings of those that they consider to be the aiders and abettors of the occupying forces. What's more these people that are dying are from the inferior tribes and religious sects, so, their deaths don't count. Times are harder? Yes. This will be the way things will always be? No.
1776, 1783 and 1789 are years of note in the growth of democracy. It didn't come overnight. There were not the forces that could disrupt and destroy the efforts of the early settlers around to stall or displace the road to democracy. They weren't tolerated to be allowed to be around to do their mischief.
Such is not the case in Iraq. The Canada of the Empire Loyalists is the Triansgle of the Sunnis. Difference is Canada didn't have to continue the cross border raiding like the insurgents are presently doing. Any stealth or any ruse is OK to kill the infidels... er... occupying forces.
I'm glad America doesn't indiscriminately lay waste to its enemies lives.
Indiscriminate killing is not part of the American lexicon in times of war. It is a fact of life that has proved successful for several generations in the region but they are now faced with people that don't believe in the old ways being the way that Iraqis want to live their lives. One of the religions or some of the local tribes want to turn the clock back so that they can live in the forced adulation that their actions inspired in those beneath their onerous armaments. They don't want to give up because they know that to do so means that they will have to work for a living as opposed to being given tenure in the offices that the rulers decide to put them based solely on their proximity to the bloodlines of the rulers.
Any occupying force comes under the fire in the countries that they have invaded. Whether it is two 2 days, 2 weeks, etc. they will be told to leave and shown the door. Occupying forces from within the country are the cause of civil war.
In the first days of the invasion the Kuwaitis came to the rescue with a small number of trailers filled with food. It was a humanitarian gesture that helped. The cameras were at the ready and the ensuing distribution debacle showed how tough things were for the hungry.
My first thoughts were, "Who are the enemy? Will they attack?. Can they be discerned by just looking?"
Watching the people scrambling desperately at the trucks trying to secure food I noticed that the cameras fell onto some people that had accumulated quite a stash of food and not many people were coming and trying to take any away. Close by the scenario was people fighting/snatching what they could for the boxes that were being handed out.
This anomaly in the behaviour of the recipients was duly noted and so was the dress of the people that were amassing food for either really large families or the troops. They all wore certain headwear. It was a checkered red and white. I told myself that because the inhabitants, per se, did not come and remove these foodstuffs from the three or four people that were gathering the goods meant that these people were probably the enemy.
The people seemed to instinctively keep their distance and it wasn't out of respect. It was out of fear. It was akin to going to a party and some guys wearing angel patches showed up and started taking what they wanted. All it would take to make people back off is a word or a glare from the pillagers. They may not of had weapons but they did seem to be able to get them if they needed them.
The scene spoke for itself.
Of course the headwear started to show up later as being the preferred wear of the Sunni tribes. At that point in time their reach was right to the border with Kuwait. Now it is constrained to the infamous triangle. Only now they can't browbeat the other tribes around them into performing their tasks. Now they have to be satisfied with telling their own what to do. Instead of having innocents from other tribes die for their cause, they are dying.
America has two choices. One is carpet bombing the people within the triangle into oblivion or trying to instill the National Guard and the police into learning that freedom has to be fought for in order to move ahead. The Vietnamese never attacked America. Nor did they finance destruction in America.
A lot of the modern conveniences of the modern world came from the West and what came in was what the rulers allowed. They didn't have groups running around blowing it up at every turn. Everything was happy in the valley. Modern amenities brought to you courtesy of the rulers. The omniscient rulers. No doubt distribution is one of the problems and the people are finding that times are hard.
Their times are not being made any easier by the insurgents wilful, indiscriminate killings of those that they consider to be the aiders and abettors of the occupying forces. What's more these people that are dying are from the inferior tribes and religious sects, so, their deaths don't count. Times are harder? Yes. This will be the way things will always be? No.
1776, 1783 and 1789 are years of note in the growth of democracy. It didn't come overnight. There were not the forces that could disrupt and destroy the efforts of the early settlers around to stall or displace the road to democracy. They weren't tolerated to be allowed to be around to do their mischief.
Such is not the case in Iraq. The Canada of the Empire Loyalists is the Triansgle of the Sunnis. Difference is Canada didn't have to continue the cross border raiding like the insurgents are presently doing. Any stealth or any ruse is OK to kill the infidels... er... occupying forces.
I'm glad America doesn't indiscriminately lay waste to its enemies lives.