Belief

Post by **spot** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:01 am

I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:07 am

Bloody hippy.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:16 am

Spot, what happens when you hear a new born baby cry? Or touch a leaf? Or see the sky?

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:32 am

I believe. I believe.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:37 am

AnneBoleyn;1393052 wrote: Spot, what happens when you hear a new born baby cry? Or touch a leaf? Or see the sky?

Spot then knows why he believes

Post by **spot** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:59 am

There are times on FG when I feel completely outclassed.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun May 06, 2012 10:37 am

I believe I can fly....

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Sun May 06, 2012 10:58 am

I believe I can fly....

Me too. It's just I have this problem with landing.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun May 06, 2012 11:01 am

Bruv;1393065 wrote: I believe I can fly....

But can you touch the sky?

Post by **spot** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:06 pm

theia;1393067 wrote: But can you touch the sky?This mockery is all very well but, as Wikipedia quotes from the Guinness Book Of Records, "During Frankie Laine's single's stay at number one, Queen Elizabeth II was crowned, Mount Everest was climbed and the England cricket team won back The Ashes after nineteen years". I'll be peeved if anyone pretends that's purely coincidental.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:20 pm

spot;1393079 wrote: This mockery is all very well but, as Wikipedia quotes from the Guinness Book Of Records, "During Frankie Laine's single's stay at number one, Queen Elizabeth II was crowned, Mount Everest was climbed and the England cricket team won back The Ashes after nineteen years". I'll be peeved if anyone pretends that's purely coincidental.

Frankie Laine of Champion The Wonder Horse fame?

Post by **spot** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:27 pm

theia;1393080 wrote: Frankie Laine of Champion The Wonder Horse fame?

He sang better than I do. He might even have sung better than you.

Do you believe we'll win Eurovision this year? -

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:27 pm

Wonder horse? Thought he was a singer. Big booming voice. Ghost Riders in the Sky.

AnneBoleyn · Post by **AnneBoleyn** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:28 pm

prefer the Elvis version myself, I do.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:32 pm

spot;1393050 wrote: I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

What about all the ones that get flattened? Oh sorry you have a drought down there don't you. Go stand under a shower and pretend you are in scotland just now.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:41 pm

spot;1393085 wrote: He sang better than I do. He might even have sung better than you.

Do you believe we'll win Eurovision this year? -

No, we don't stand a chance. Bring back Bucks Fizz, I say.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun May 06, 2012 12:45 pm

AnneBoleyn;1393086 wrote: Wonder horse? Thought he was a singer. Big booming voice. Ghost Riders in the Sky.

Sorry, I meant his version of the theme tune. I can still remember the opening shots of Champion...can't remember what happened a few days ago, but that horse is as clear as a bell

tazzy · Post by **tazzy** » Sun May 06, 2012 3:19 pm

Then there should be a meadow of flowers here, with all the rain we have been getting.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:31 pm

I feel that for every belly button shown on MTV someone has a beer.

Post by **LarsMac** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:39 pm

That's as good an excuse to have a beer as any.

koan · Post by **koan** » Sun May 06, 2012 8:50 pm

and lots of them

Post by **spot** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:30 am

koan;1393139 wrote: I feel that for every belly button shown on MTV someone has a beer.That's a feeling. Somewhat short of a belief, if I may say so, by quite a distance.

Both of our statements are testable to the same degree of statistical significance. Your feeling will prove to be out by fewer orders of magnitude than my belief. I expect we'd find that, on average, for every belly button shown on MTV around a hundred viewers have a beer - we'd need to clarify initially that you were talking about active viewers and not just the general world population since only one in a hundred million beers is drunk by an MTV viewer sat in front of the channel. My belief, by contrast, is wildly inaccurate - for every flower that grows at least a hundred billion raindrops fall. I include inflorescent grasses among the flowering plants, of course.

My belief and your feeling can each be tested by repeatable investigation supported by statistical significance. So can religious belief and feeling, though it appears unfashionable to do so. The untestable aspect of religion is the meaning of the vocabulary, that's down to agreed definitions. People seem extremely reluctant to attempt to agree definitions when it comes to creating a common religious vocabulary. On the other hand, if a religious group did formalize such definitions it might exclude a lot of its membership from continuing within that group.

I may restart this thread as a doctrinal discussion under Christianity, with a large warning in the opening post saying that any statement of fact by the posters will be totally ignored as irrelevant if it relies on belief in order to be self-evidently true.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:38 am

spot;1393153 wrote: That's a feeling. Somewhat short of a belief, if I may say so, by quite a distance.

Both of our statements are testable to the same degree of statistical significance. Your feeling will prove to be out by fewer orders of magnitude than my belief. I expect we'd find that, on average, for every belly button shown on MTV around a hundred viewers have a beer - we'd need to clarify initially that you were talking about active viewers and not just the general world population since only one in a hundred million beers is drunk by an MTV viewer sat in front of the channel. My belief, by contrast, is wildly inaccurate - for every flower that grows at least a hundred billion raindrops fall. I include inflorescent grasses among the flowering plants, of course.

My belief and your feeling can each be tested by repeatable investigation supported by statistical significance. So can religious belief and feeling, though it appears unfashionable to do so. The untestable aspect of religion is the meaning of the vocabulary, that's down to agreed definitions. People seem extremely reluctant to attempt to agree definitions when it comes to creating a common religious vocabulary. On the other hand, if a religious group did formalize such definitions it might exclude a lot of its membership from continuing within that group.

I may restart this thread as a doctrinal discussion under Christianity, with a large warning in the opening post saying that any statement of fact by the posters will be totally ignored as irrelevant if it relies on belief in order to be self-evidently true.

I still believe I can fly....

Post by **spot** » Mon May 07, 2012 4:58 am

Bruv;1393154 wrote: I still believe I can fly....

Who is it says to Glendower "Why so can I, or so can any man"? But if you reckon you can do it without a boarding pass we want photos.

rajakrsna · Post by **rajakrsna** » Mon May 07, 2012 5:25 am

spot;1393050 wrote: I believe for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows.

Praise the Lord!!!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Mon May 07, 2012 7:39 am

spot;1393158 wrote: Who is it says to Glendower "Why so can I, or so can any man"? But if you reckon you can do it without a boarding pass we want photos.

It wasn't me !!!

One doesn't require a boarding pass to hang glide, does one ?

You started it !!

The second line is "I believe I can touch the sky"...........Now ....that is questionable.

I believe we were talking about lyrics, and you have gone all serious.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Mon May 07, 2012 8:42 am

I believe I'll have another.