Peeing On Dead Soldiers

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:49 am

Accountable;1381080 wrote: I think this is it:

Granted I've got a bad memory, but it seems that thread went on for quite a while with spot basically defending the urinator. Is that a word, urinator? Spell check doesn't like it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:00 am

oscar;1381030 wrote:

Why are these Taliban members dead? Most likely because they were trying to kill the Americans In the first place.

Why are they dead ?

Dead through defending their homes/homeland/culture ?

Remember the Americans are the illegals...... I mean real illegals not minor irritatingly uninvited, slightly different ethnically and racially..... members of the same Political/economic group (Like the kind you object to) These are a militarily strong culturally opposite religiously opposite regime changing wannabes......

Was it not you that supported the right of shooting escaping burglars in the back ? Protecting your own as a right ?

Make your mind up.....

tabby;1381046 wrote: Slow news day, probably!

Maybe a throw away line.........but.

jones jones;1380998 wrote: Is it worse than making a video of someone having their head hacked off?
Citing another similar crime or misdemeanor is no defence.........not in my world anyway. Or is it a new competition ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:15 am

Bruv;1381086 wrote: Why are they dead ?

Dead through defending their homes/homeland/culture ?

Remember the Americans are the illegals...... I mean real illegals not minor irritatingly uninvited, slightly different ethnically and racially..... members of the same Political/economic group (Like the kind you object to) These are a militarily strong culturally opposite religiously opposite regime changing wannabes......

Was it not you that supported the right of shooting escaping burglars in the back ? Protecting your own as a right ?

Make your mind up.....

You make a very good point but Illegal Invaders or not, It's a war Isn't It ? If It wasn't, the Taliban would surrender and comply. In war, worse things have happened. I still think It's much fuss about nothing.

tabby · Post by **tabby** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:15 am

Bruv;1381086 wrote: Maybe a throw away line.........but.

I wasn't using it as a throw away line. He asked a question and I answered as I see it.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:14 am

SnoozeAgain;1381085 wrote: Granted I've got a bad memory, but it seems that thread went on for quite a while with spot basically defending the urinator. Is that a word, urinator? Spell check doesn't like it.
I think it was the title of a porn movie staring Arnold Schwarzenpecker. I have eclectic friends.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:05 am

Accountable;1381089 wrote: I think it was the title of a porn movie staring Arnold Schwarzenpecker. I have eclectic friends.

So instead of the iconic "I'll be back", he says "I'm coming"?

Gentle Brother · Post by **Gentle Brother** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:50 am

Things like this happen and then Americans wonder why there is such animosity towards them from so many quarters.

This demonstrates not only contempt, but a worrying lack of humanity...

True, these 'gentleman' are not representative of most American soldiers or Americans in general, but they don't get worldwide news coverage.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:18 am

Lon;1381033 wrote: The problem is not Americans claiming the HIGH MORAL GROUND, that's prejudicial. The problem is war it's self. German's, Japanese, Russians, British, Americans, all committed well documented acts desecrating their dead enemies during WW 2. Their are no GENTLEMEN in combat.

WW2 was no holds barred all out total war for survival that such things happened I do not dispute, that it would happen after the heat of a hard fought battle is understandable. This war is different the americans went in there claiming the moral high ground and freeing the Afghan people from an oppressive regime under the Taliban. That the US was instrumental in putting them (the taliban that is) there in the first place is an irony that seems to escape most commentators especialy american ones. You may find my comment about america claiming the moral high ground prejudicial but it is in fact accurate. If you really want me to I can provide links but I shouldn't have to. That Americans can't understand why approving of torture and abusing prisoners in abu grabh (can't remember the correct spelling) and then incidents like this is seen as ever so slightly hypocritical hypocritical is a serious problem you have.

That the british are in the gutter with you is not something that I am pleased about believe me and yes I do know the part played by the SAS in training the mujahadeen in the eighties.

Post by **jones jones** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:05 pm

So the evidence provided by Spot to substantiate his statement that the US Marine Corps bond by engaging in anal sex with each other, comes from an “America Needs Fatima” blog.

This particular blog is a campaign of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property. Its stated goal is to: “win the heart and soul of America for Mary by spreading Our Lady’s Fatima message and promoting devotion to Her Immaculate Heart.”

Oh my God! This is so priceless I think I am gonna get it posted on the US Marine Corps website with a link back here to this Thread on FG!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:14 pm

jones jones;1381110 wrote: So the evidence provided by Spot to substantiate his statement that the US Marine Corps bond by engaging in anal sex with each other, comes from an “America Needs Fatima” blog.

This particular blog is a campaign of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property. Its stated goal is to: “win the heart and soul of America for Mary by spreading Our Lady’s Fatima message and promoting devotion to Her Immaculate Heart.”

Oh my God! This is so priceless I think I am gonna get it posted on the US Marine Corps website with a link back here to this Thread on FG!

I hope you do.

I somehow doubt the blessed virgin Mary would approve of this.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:28 pm

spot;1381036 wrote: Lon, would you expect these four - or five if another was operating the camera - to be dishonorably discharged?

Do you think the lax standards of Generals like Mattis contributed to their mindset?

No----- I expect there will be punishment, but no dishonorable discharge, nor do I think there should be. To do so would be very detrimental to the Corps.

And no, I don't think lax standards has anything to do with it.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:41 pm

spot;1381011 wrote: There's a balance of opinion in this country....... that "our boys" are heroic, selfless warriors who "make the supreme sacrifice" when they pull the short straw.

It all comes down to public opinion. I claim that more and more people in England are coming to accept that the entire notion of the heroic, selfless warrior is propaganda.

I have whittled it down for you, cut out the guff, and tend to agree with a proviso.

Most people can empathise with the soldiers plight while not agreeing with the act that brought them to it. Most people think the soldiers are making the best of a bad situation, doing a good job under a poor government's directions.

And that the soldiers are as much victims of their own government and powers that be, as the people who's freedom they are supposedly fighting for.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 5:43 pm

oscar;1381087 wrote: You make a very good point but Illegal Invaders or not, It's a war Isn't It ? If It wasn't, the Taliban would surrender and comply. In war, worse things have happened. I still think It's much fuss about nothing.

The Taliban are the defenders of their countries way of life.....................just like the BNP ffs!!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat Jan 14, 2012 6:36 pm

Bruv;1381123 wrote: The Taliban are the defenders of their countries way of life.....................just like the BNP ffs!!!

I see your parallels .

As It happens, I have never agreed with the Invasion of Iraq and Afghan and confess that I am not at all patriotic about 'our boys'. For the record, nor do the BNP.

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:21 am

No matter which side of the fence you are sitting on right now, somebody needs to put this thread to bed. Perhaps I, Jj can help to drag it kicking and screaming to its bedroom.

Okay, we've all stated our opinion, had our fun, made our jibes at each other, but the bottom line is that in wartime, soldiers often commit deeds they would never even consider in peacetime. By its very nature war demeans. It causes ordinary men and women, just like you and I to change and if necessary become killers. Very few can handle the psychological pressures of combat and retain their humanity, their self respect.

It is in this context that a small group of US Marines were filmed urinating on dead Afghanistan combatants. This has caused outrage and has probably set back the peace efforts in this troubled land. It plays right into the hands of the Taliban and others of their ilk. Of course these soldiers will be punished and rightly so.

At the end of the day, what it graphically demonstrates is that there are no real victors in war, only victims.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:31 am

jones jones;1381133 wrote: ...the bottom line is that in wartime, soldiers often commit deeds they would never even consider in peacetime.If everyone pissed on dead soldiers this wouldn't be in the media and wouldn't be fussed over...

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:52 am

K.Snyder;1381135 wrote: If everyone pissed on dead soldiers this wouldn't be in the media and wouldn't be fussed over...

Live ones would send a more effective message, though I expect it's illegal. Even demonstrating alongside parades seems to be forbidden these days.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:11 am

jones jones;1381133 wrote: No matter which side of the fence you are sitting on right now, somebody needs to put this thread to bed. Perhaps I, Jj can help to drag it kicking and screaming to its bedroom.

Okay, we've all stated our opinion, had our fun, made our jibes at each other, but the bottom line is that in wartime, soldiers often commit deeds they would never even consider in peacetime. By its very nature war demeans. It causes ordinary men and women, just like you and I to change and if necessary become killers. Very few can handle the psychological pressures of combat and retain their humanity, their self respect.

It is in this context that a small group of US Marines were filmed urinating on dead Afghanistan combatants. This has caused outrage and has probably set back the peace efforts in this troubled land. It plays right into the hands of the Taliban and others of their ilk. Of course these soldiers will be punished and rightly so.

At the end of the day, what it graphically demonstrates is that there are no real victors in war, only victims.
Well said.

theia · Post by **theia** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:12 am

Accountable;1381139 wrote: Well said.

You just beat me to it, Acc. Well said, JJ, from me too.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:13 am

jones jones;1381133 wrote: ................ somebody needs to put this thread to bed. Perhaps I, Jj can help to drag it kicking and screaming to its bedroom.

Yea right.......we shall all hail the chosen one's common sense and go about our humdrum lives, and never sally this thread again.

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:54 am

Bruv;1381141 wrote: Yea right.......we shall all hail the chosen one's common sense and go about our humdrum lives, and never sally this thread again.

Ah Bruv old chap! Don't you jjust wish you had posted what I just did? That is the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg difference between you Bruv, and moi ... The Chosen One! I know exactly what to say and when to say it! Its a gift ... what more can I say???

You take care now and have an awesome Sunday!!!

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:28 am

jones jones;1381148 wrote: Ah Bruv old chap! Don't you jjust wish you had posted what I just did? That is the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeg difference between you Bruv, and moi ... The Chosen One! I know exactly what to say and when to say it! Its a gift ... what more can I say???

You take care now and have an awesome Sunday!!!

I would say you have done the equivalent of pissing on this thread, in your own Hollywoodesque vernacular.....but I am not as eloquent, or brave as you.......so would never dare to put such a topic to bed.

Thanks for the awesome wishes about the remainder of my Sunday, have a nice day yourself.

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:33 am

Exactly ... you took the words right out of my mouth!

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:07 am

Jones Jones is the Liberace of FG.

Post by **jones jones** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:16 am

SnoozeAgain;1381162 wrote: Jones Jones is the Liberace of FG.

Ah Snooze .... Sigh ... Should I blush?

(if I knew how) or should I fall in love? (I do know how!) :-4

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:09 pm

I'd quite like to add the whole of Friday's Guardian article by Nick Broomfield to the thread, as additional background and comment, drawing a parallel between the urination incident and the random killing of local Iraqi residents in Haditha. I quote a small section, I commend the entire piece.Their mentality is difficult to put into words. Anyone who has seen Francis Ford Coppola's Vietnam war epic Apocalypse Now might have a flavour of it. It's a thought process that justifies wanton, crazed killing, that demands a high five when a fellow soldier announces they've killed an innocent child. A completely different value system, and one that's distinct from any I've seen before. This video of marines shown urinating over corpses in Afghanistan which come to light this week and has drawn widespread rebuke has a sick similarity to Dela Cruz's admission that: "I pissed on one of the dead Iraqi male occupants of the white car [during the massacre] … I remember that I pissed inside the head of the dead Iraqi, the one with half of his head blown off."

Not a single marine I interviewed was able to survive after their tour without a tranquilliser prescription. One who photographed the massacre after it happened simply lost the plot and, after tanking himself up on alcohol, drove a truck into a neighbouring house. All of them were hell-bent on returning to Iraq, where the chaotic way of life appeased their mindset. It's worth remembering that most were just teenagers when they joined the force.

For the families of Haditha, this is a matter of honour | Nick Broomfield | Comment is free | The Guardian

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:28 pm

spot;1381174 wrote: I'd quite like to add the whole of Friday's Guardian article by Nick Broomfield to the thread, as additional background and comment, drawing a parallel between the urination incident and the random killing of local Iraqi residents in Haditha. I quote a small section, I commend the entire piece.Their mentality is difficult to put into words. Anyone who has seen Francis Ford Coppola's Vietnam war epic Apocalypse Now might have a flavour of it. It's a thought process that justifies wanton, crazed killing, that demands a high five when a fellow soldier announces they've killed an innocent child. A completely different value system, and one that's distinct from any I've seen before. This video of marines shown urinating over corpses in Afghanistan which come to light this week and has drawn widespread rebuke has a sick similarity to Dela Cruz's admission that: "I pissed on one of the dead Iraqi male occupants of the white car [during the massacre] … I remember that I pissed inside the head of the dead Iraqi, the one with half of his head blown off."

Not a single marine I interviewed was able to survive after their tour without a tranquilliser prescription. One who photographed the massacre after it happened simply lost the plot and, after tanking himself up on alcohol, drove a truck into a neighbouring house. All of them were hell-bent on returning to Iraq, where the chaotic way of life appeased their mindset. It's worth remembering that most were just teenagers when they joined the force.

For the families of Haditha, this is a matter of honour | Nick Broomfield | Comment is free | The Guardian

And of the British Soldiers ????????????????

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:30 pm

oscar;1381178 wrote: And of the British Soldiers ????????????????

Perhaps you'd like to turn that into a coherent question before I attempt to answer it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:46 pm

spot;1381179 wrote: Perhaps you'd like to turn that into a coherent question before I attempt to answer it.

It's quite simple... Do you think only US troops carry out this behaviour?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:50 pm

oscar;1381183 wrote: It's quite simple... Do you think only US troops carry out this behaviour?

That's certainly what that article implied, isn't it.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:54 pm

oscar;1381183 wrote: It's quite simple... Do you think only US troops carry out this behaviour?Overwhelmingly, yes. I'd guess at the sharp end it's a consequence of their education system and at the planning end it's a consequence of deliberate policy just as it was with Lynddie England and just as it was with the US privatised military providers like Blackwater. The UK restricts that sort of putrid cynicism to its intelligence community. I'm not saying you can't find the occasional exception, I'm just talking about a huge preponderance.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:25 pm

I generally skip your posts, Snot. Do you still keep up the baldfaced lie that you don't hate America?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:32 pm

spot;1381186 wrote: Overwhelmingly, yes. I'd guess at the sharp end it's a consequence of their education system and at the planning end it's a consequence of deliberate policy just as it was with Lynddie England and just as it was with the US privatised military providers like Blackwater. The UK restricts that sort of putrid cynicism to its intelligence community. I'm not saying you can't find the occasional exception, I'm just talking about a huge preponderance.

British army faces further inquiries into alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners | World news | The Guardian

British soldier fired for stabbing Afghan boy | UK news | The Guardian

British Army war crimes in Ireland, Iraq, and Afghanistan - British Army Killings

Shall I continue ?

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:34 pm

To be fair, I remember being taught in basic training how to pee standing up so we could urinate on our fallen enemies. It's taught in all the branches of the military here. Don't you remember, Accountable?

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:38 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381162 wrote: Jones Jones is the Liberace of FG.

No comment

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:39 pm

Accountable;1381188 wrote: I generally skip your posts, Snot. Do you still keep up the baldfaced lie that you don't hate America?

I have sympathy for the majority of Americans, stuck with a society in which most skate on such thin ice as far as financial security's concerned and none have the slightest control over their political masters. America as a nation though? It's the blight holding the world back, it's an ideological vampire, it has to fall into obscurity. That's not hatred, that's opposition. Americans rarely manage it because they're taught patriotism from an early age. Saluting the flag, hand on heart, from primary school? That should disgust any rational person.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:43 pm

oscar;1381183 wrote: It's quite simple... Do you think only US troops carry out this behaviour?

SnoozeAgain;1381190 wrote: To be fair, I remember being taught in basic training how to pee standing up so we could urinate on our fallen enemies. It's taught in all the branches of the military here. Don't you remember, Accountable? We practiced on newer recruits.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:44 pm

oscar;1381183 wrote: That's not hatred, It's seething hatred, you lying phuck.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:48 pm

Bruv;1381192 wrote: No comment

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:52 pm

Accountable;1381195 wrote: It's seething hatred, you lying phuck.

You are, like so many paranoid opportunist Americans before you, looking into a mirror and perceiving an enemy. Anyone reading the thread will easily distinguish where the hatred lies.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:07 pm

Accountable;1381195 wrote: It's seething hatred, you lying phuck.

To be fair I genuinely don't believe Spot hates Americans or America, Spot analyses, considers, evaluates, measures, to hate you have to empathise, to feel,

to emote.

Perhaps the preponderance of such events being American, is simply by weight of conflicts the Americans are involved in, and in their favour the openness that allows these incidents to be known about.

I am sure the Americans don't hold the monopoly on atrocities.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:13 pm

spot;1381197 wrote: You are, like so many paranoid opportunist Americans before you, looking into a mirror and perceiving an enemy. Anyone reading the thread will easily distinguish where the hatred lies.

You are deluded.

Any one can see the racism screaming from your warblings and the offence you seem to relish In causing.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:18 pm

oscar;1381204 wrote: You are deluded.

Any one can see the racism screaming from your warblings and the offence you seem to relish In causing.

I don't know about anyone else reading the thread but I find it kind of amusing. He's so over the top with his claims, stating these kind of things are limited to Americans, that I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:26 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381207 wrote: I don't know about anyone else reading the thread but I find it kind of amusing. He's so over the top with his claims, stating these kind of things are limited to Americans, that I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.

Notice the swerve he copped at my links to atrocities carried out by British Troops ?

Perhaps It's jealousey... America wouldn't let him In.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:27 pm

SnoozeAgain;1381207 wrote: I don't know about anyone else reading the thread but I find it kind of amusing. He's so over the top with his claims, stating these kind of things are limited to Americans, that I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.

But then, you're an indoctrinated American. It's how I'd expect you to think given your background. An American with a clear mind on these matters is a rare bird.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:29 pm

oscar;1381209 wrote: Notice the swerve he copped at my links to atrocities carried out by British Troops ?
In what way did your links relate to what I wrote? Let me remind you... "I'm not saying you can't find the occasional exception, I'm just talking about a huge preponderance".

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:34 pm

spot;1381210 wrote: But then, you're an indoctrinated American. It's how I'd expect you to think given your background. An American with a clear mind on these matters is a rare bird.

Now!!!!!!............. that is sheer arrogance Mr Spot sir

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:35 pm

spot;1381211 wrote: In what way did your links relate to what I wrote? Let me remind you... "I'm not saying you can't find the occasional exception, I'm just talking about a huge preponderance".

If you take the time to look, you will find equal atrocities recorded by all nations.... your searches however are biased In the extreme.

Post by **spot** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:46 pm

oscar;1381214 wrote: If you take the time to look, you will find equal atrocities recorded by all nations.... your searches however are biased In the extreme.

I see your words, I find them incredible.

By all means look up "incredible". Start with "credible" and negate it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:52 pm

spot;1381215 wrote: I see your words, I find them incredible.

By all means look up "incredible". Start with "credible" and negate it.

When you can broaden your selective research, I may be arssed to engage further with you.

That Is arssed as In 'can't be bothered' not arssed as In 'US Marines arsse raping corpses'