Urinating on dead Afgan fighters is probably one of the less offensive things done to dead bodies after a battle----------by either side. Such is the nature of war.
Why is the press making such a big deal about it?:-3
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I think perhaps it implies a lack of respect on the part of the survivors for those they've killed. Which, given that they're Ooo-rah Warriors, is hard to understand. Have they been indoctrinated to despise those they're ordered to kill, to objectify and dehumanize those they're instructed to shoot dead?
There's a strange lie that's been built up by military propagandists over the last two or three decades, that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is another name for what in World War One was called shell shock. I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
There's a strange lie that's been built up by military propagandists over the last two or three decades, that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is another name for what in World War One was called shell shock. I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
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I think it has to do with establishing the intent of the invading forces. ie) whether or not they are representative of a better future or whether they are just Machiavellian footsoldiers.
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Is it worse than making a video of someone having their head hacked off?
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jones jones;1380998 wrote: Is it worse than making a video of someone having their head hacked off?
Judicially?
If so, do you mean an official video or a surreptitious one?
Or are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
Judicially?
If so, do you mean an official video or a surreptitious one?
Or are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
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spot;1381000 wrote: Judicially?
If so, do you mean an official video or a surreptitious one?
Or are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
I do believe you know exactly which videos I am referring to and I would be surprised if you have not actually watched one.
If so, do you mean an official video or a surreptitious one?
Or are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
I do believe you know exactly which videos I am referring to and I would be surprised if you have not actually watched one.
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No I don't, and no I haven't.
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Americans claim the moral high ground only going to war as a last resort in order to free oppressed peoples. Peeing on your dead opponent is an act of contempt you expect from a mindless thug not the soldier of a benevolent Christian nation doing good in the world.
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There's a strange lie that's been built up by military propagandists over the last two or three decades, that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is another name for what in World War One was called shell shock. I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
Bollocks. I think you see the world in your own particular shade of black and white with no room for grey. I know a few ex-soldiers - come that most of my male relatives growing up were ex ww2 armed forces and so were many of the older males I worked with in later life, ex korean war as well. I suspect we are of an age - did you never sit down and talk to them? On the odd occasion when people did open up (to other than those who were there with them) I always found it a fascinating insight in to human behaviour but you need to keep your preconceptions out of it.
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There's a strange lie that's been built up by military propagandists over the last two or three decades, that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is another name for what in World War One was called shell shock. I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
Bollocks. I think you see the world in your own particular shade of black and white with no room for grey. I know a few ex-soldiers - come that most of my male relatives growing up were ex ww2 armed forces and so were many of the older males I worked with in later life, ex korean war as well. I suspect we are of an age - did you never sit down and talk to them? On the odd occasion when people did open up (to other than those who were there with them) I always found it a fascinating insight in to human behaviour but you need to keep your preconceptions out of it.
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gmc;1381003 wrote: BollocksNo, I've had enough of this support our brave boys they didn't choose to be there twaddle. Yes they did, they're out there to get their quota and prove themselves, it's like kids playing chicken at scout camp. Be damned to the lot of them.
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spot;1380994 wrote:
I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
spot;1381005 wrote: No, I've had enough of this support our brave boys they didn't choose to be there twaddle. Yes they did, they're out there to get their quota and prove themselves, it's like kids playing chicken at scout camp. Be damned to the lot of them.
Are you sure your real name is not Spock ?
I expect you to say anytime soon "It doesn't compute Kirk"
Can't you get your head around the simple fact, that most people in the world haven't sussed it all out like you have, and they are just getting through the best they can. Many soldiers are victims of the economy, joining up to escape their mundane life and to see outside the town they were born and raised in.
They haven't studied ethics and economics or the working class struggle and the route they should be taking to free themselves from the yoke of tyranny etc etc yaddy yaddy yaddah !!!!
Of course they are not as perfect as they should be.......but who is ?
Of course there are nasty bar stewards that are getting their rocks off committing evil deeds......and these simple souls are witnessing or joining in or being human............like us all........
Have you not the slightest bit of empathy or imagination to construct a situation where your good self, might, through no fault of your own, be subject to an event that might scar your mind and give you the screaming ab dabs, that doesn't give you a share of the guilt you believe is shared by all those that suffer now ?
Don't suppose they have an index or measurement of human frailty that you can refer to for data.
I doubt that very much. There's a perfectly good old-fashioned word which covers lifelong flashbacks and recall-related terror, it's guilt.
spot;1381005 wrote: No, I've had enough of this support our brave boys they didn't choose to be there twaddle. Yes they did, they're out there to get their quota and prove themselves, it's like kids playing chicken at scout camp. Be damned to the lot of them.
Are you sure your real name is not Spock ?
I expect you to say anytime soon "It doesn't compute Kirk"
Can't you get your head around the simple fact, that most people in the world haven't sussed it all out like you have, and they are just getting through the best they can. Many soldiers are victims of the economy, joining up to escape their mundane life and to see outside the town they were born and raised in.
They haven't studied ethics and economics or the working class struggle and the route they should be taking to free themselves from the yoke of tyranny etc etc yaddy yaddy yaddah !!!!
Of course they are not as perfect as they should be.......but who is ?
Of course there are nasty bar stewards that are getting their rocks off committing evil deeds......and these simple souls are witnessing or joining in or being human............like us all........
Have you not the slightest bit of empathy or imagination to construct a situation where your good self, might, through no fault of your own, be subject to an event that might scar your mind and give you the screaming ab dabs, that doesn't give you a share of the guilt you believe is shared by all those that suffer now ?
Don't suppose they have an index or measurement of human frailty that you can refer to for data.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Bruv;1381010 wrote: Have you not the slightest bit of empathy or imagination to construct a situation where your good self, might, through no fault of your own, be subject to an event that might scar your mind and give you the screaming ab dabs, that doesn't give you a share of the guilt you believe is shared by all those that suffer now ?There's a balance of opinion in this country - shall we stick to England for simplicity - that "our boys" are heroic, selfless warriors who "make the supreme sacrifice" when they pull the short straw. The notion that the locals who join the armed resistance in order to wear the foreign invader down and eventually get their own country back, run by their own preferred elected leaders instead of paid Quisling opportunist opium barons, the notion that these badly-equipped villagers who have no night sights, have no air support, who are between forty and a hundred times more likely to be killed in action than the Kevlar-clad professionals they're up against, the notion that these are by contrast valueless goons fit only to kill like rats in a barrel and then pose next to for trophy photos, don't you find it sick-making? Because my theory is that the harder we lose there, the more humiliating our withdrawal, the more blatant our inability to prevent a subsequent anti-Western stance by successor governments (along the Iranian model and for similar reasons) the better it will be for this country, the less recruits will be able to say "I didn't realise" in years to come, the harder it will be for a future British government to set out on yet another foreign death-spree.
It all comes down to public opinion. I claim that more and more people in England are coming to accept that the entire notion of the heroic, selfless warrior is propaganda. The very idea of these armour-clad invincible seven-at-one-blow behemoths, in contrast to those they kill with comparative impunity, is the reverse of heroism. If they happen to realise after it's all over that they're left with permanent demons I'm all for it, how can such a result possibly be described as undeserved?
You may feel such a description will never be commonplace. I happen to disagree, I think the time has come for it to become the norm. To quote from Paxman's 1807 reference in "Empire" to the abolition of the slave trade, "The people of England are not going to consent that there should be carried out in their name, a system of blood, rapine, robbery and murder". Only this time it's the end of volunteering under a political system with a long-standing track record of self-serving foreign deployment.
It all comes down to public opinion. I claim that more and more people in England are coming to accept that the entire notion of the heroic, selfless warrior is propaganda. The very idea of these armour-clad invincible seven-at-one-blow behemoths, in contrast to those they kill with comparative impunity, is the reverse of heroism. If they happen to realise after it's all over that they're left with permanent demons I'm all for it, how can such a result possibly be described as undeserved?
You may feel such a description will never be commonplace. I happen to disagree, I think the time has come for it to become the norm. To quote from Paxman's 1807 reference in "Empire" to the abolition of the slave trade, "The people of England are not going to consent that there should be carried out in their name, a system of blood, rapine, robbery and murder". Only this time it's the end of volunteering under a political system with a long-standing track record of self-serving foreign deployment.
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spot;1381005 wrote: No, I've had enough of this support our brave boys they didn't choose to be there twaddle. Yes they did, they're out there to get their quota and prove themselves, it's like kids playing chicken at scout camp. Be damned to the lot of them.
Ahso, is that you?
Ahso, is that you?
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gmc;1381003 wrote: Bollocks. I think you see the world in your own particular shade of black and white with no room for grey. I know a few ex-soldiers - come that most of my male relatives growing up were ex ww2 armed forces and so were many of the older males I worked with in later life, ex korean war as well. I suspect we are of an age - did you never sit down and talk to them?I note that every example you've provided there served in a conscript force. I have immense sympathy for people in such a position. I have none whatever for anyone making a living in an all-volunteer system these days regardless of whether or not they've fooled themselves into falling for a belief like patriotism.
Most of the servicemen I remember talking to who served in an all-volunteer British army fought the Zulus and then the Boer, and they were talking about a different world.
Most of the servicemen I remember talking to who served in an all-volunteer British army fought the Zulus and then the Boer, and they were talking about a different world.
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spot;1381014 wrote: I note that every example you've provided there served in a conscript force. I have immense sympathy for people in such a position. I have none whatever for anyone making a living in an all-volunteer system these days regardless of whether or not they've fooled themselves into falling for a belief like patriotism.
Most of the servicemen I remember talking to who served in an all-volunteer British army fought the Zulus and then the Boer, and they were talking about a different world.
Actually many of the soldiers I knew from ww2 had joined up before conscription was introduced for a variety of reasons I've also known many who served in the falklands, iraq, iran and more recently afghanistan. Being scots it's hard not to know someone who wasn't in the military at some time or other - two of my neighbours are retired servicemen. Why people join up is a complex matter I don't actually know any that did so purely out of a belief in patriotism, maybe americans are different having been brainwashed from birth but I doubt it, being patriotic sounds better than i couldn't get a job.
Bruv said it rather well I think
Can't you get your head around the simple fact, that most people in the world haven't sussed it all out like you have, and they are just getting through the best they can. Many soldiers are victims of the economy, joining up to escape their mundane life and to see outside the town they were born and raised in.
They haven't studied ethics and economics or the working class struggle and the route they should be taking to free themselves from the yoke of tyranny etc etc yaddy yaddy yaddah !!!!
Of course they are not as perfect as they should be.......but who is ?
Look on the bright side when they come back you have a bunch of soldiers who are likely to be incredibly cynical about politicians and those who would start wars, especially when they have lost mates through lack of equipment meanwhile we can find £20 million for a royal wedding and lots more to give to bankers. Actually read some of Kipling's poems if you want an idea of what the typical regular british soldier thought about patriotism. There's a whole new generation of young adults well aware of the consequences of war - going to a former school friends funeral will do that for you it's no accident that opposition to the Afghanistan war is highest amongst the young.
Anyway, lon's question was why is the press making such a big deal about it. Personally I think that he has to ask what is wrong with peeing on the dead in a country invaded by american troops says a lot about what is wrong with american foreign policy. Mind you you are talking about a nation that dumps the body parts of it's own dead in a land fill.
Most of the servicemen I remember talking to who served in an all-volunteer British army fought the Zulus and then the Boer, and they were talking about a different world.
Actually many of the soldiers I knew from ww2 had joined up before conscription was introduced for a variety of reasons I've also known many who served in the falklands, iraq, iran and more recently afghanistan. Being scots it's hard not to know someone who wasn't in the military at some time or other - two of my neighbours are retired servicemen. Why people join up is a complex matter I don't actually know any that did so purely out of a belief in patriotism, maybe americans are different having been brainwashed from birth but I doubt it, being patriotic sounds better than i couldn't get a job.
Bruv said it rather well I think
Can't you get your head around the simple fact, that most people in the world haven't sussed it all out like you have, and they are just getting through the best they can. Many soldiers are victims of the economy, joining up to escape their mundane life and to see outside the town they were born and raised in.
They haven't studied ethics and economics or the working class struggle and the route they should be taking to free themselves from the yoke of tyranny etc etc yaddy yaddy yaddah !!!!
Of course they are not as perfect as they should be.......but who is ?
Look on the bright side when they come back you have a bunch of soldiers who are likely to be incredibly cynical about politicians and those who would start wars, especially when they have lost mates through lack of equipment meanwhile we can find £20 million for a royal wedding and lots more to give to bankers. Actually read some of Kipling's poems if you want an idea of what the typical regular british soldier thought about patriotism. There's a whole new generation of young adults well aware of the consequences of war - going to a former school friends funeral will do that for you it's no accident that opposition to the Afghanistan war is highest amongst the young.
Anyway, lon's question was why is the press making such a big deal about it. Personally I think that he has to ask what is wrong with peeing on the dead in a country invaded by american troops says a lot about what is wrong with american foreign policy. Mind you you are talking about a nation that dumps the body parts of it's own dead in a land fill.
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Irregardless of your political views on the subject, it was a pretty disgusting thing to do.
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SnoozeAgain;1381013 wrote: Ahso, is that you?
I doubt twaddle's in his dictionary.
I doubt twaddle's in his dictionary.
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spot;1381002 wrote: No I don't, and no I haven't.
I'm pleased to hear that cos unlike watching a few marines pissing on some corpses, it might well put you off your food for a few days.
Anyway, you can watch some beheadings on the Internet if you ever have the stomach for it. I couldn’t watch them so I wouldn’t recommend it.
There are videos of the beheading of Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, Kenneth Bigley & Eugene Armstrong. Any idea exactly why they were beheaded? They weren't soldiers.
Oh here's the reason ... cos it’s in The Qur'an (also known as the Koran) the primary sacred text of Islam:
God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12.)
So I ask again, is peeing on the corpse of a terrorist any worse than a terrorist making a video of a beheading?
I'm pleased to hear that cos unlike watching a few marines pissing on some corpses, it might well put you off your food for a few days.
Anyway, you can watch some beheadings on the Internet if you ever have the stomach for it. I couldn’t watch them so I wouldn’t recommend it.
There are videos of the beheading of Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, Kenneth Bigley & Eugene Armstrong. Any idea exactly why they were beheaded? They weren't soldiers.
Oh here's the reason ... cos it’s in The Qur'an (also known as the Koran) the primary sacred text of Islam:
God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12.)
So I ask again, is peeing on the corpse of a terrorist any worse than a terrorist making a video of a beheading?
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jones jones;1381018 wrote: I'm pleased to hear that cos unlike watching a few marines pissing on some corpses, it might well put you off your food for a few days.
Anyway, you can watch some beheadings on the Internet if you ever have the stomach for it. I couldn’t watch them so I wouldn’t recommend it.
There are videos of the beheading of Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, Kenneth Bigley & Eugene Armstrong. Any idea exactly why they were beheaded? They weren't soldiers.
Oh here's the reason ... cos it’s in The Qur'an (also known as the Koran) the primary sacred text of Islam:
God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12.)
So I ask again, is peeing on the corpse of a terrorist any worse than a terrorist making a video of a beheading?
Are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
Anyway, you can watch some beheadings on the Internet if you ever have the stomach for it. I couldn’t watch them so I wouldn’t recommend it.
There are videos of the beheading of Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, Kenneth Bigley & Eugene Armstrong. Any idea exactly why they were beheaded? They weren't soldiers.
Oh here's the reason ... cos it’s in The Qur'an (also known as the Koran) the primary sacred text of Islam:
God revealed His will to the angels, saying: "I shall be with you. Give courage to the believers. I shall cast terror into the hearts of the infidels. Strike off their heads, strike off the very tips of their fingers." (Sura 8, Verse 12.)
So I ask again, is peeing on the corpse of a terrorist any worse than a terrorist making a video of a beheading?
Are you referring to a decapitation by criminals? Because if so, I fail to see the relevance to the thread.
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I personally feel joining any armed force, without a concern for self defense, is wrong. I can justify an armed force practicing techniques that better prepare a country to defend themselves properly but given the history of the US being invaded I can't see such an excuse as being relevant since WWII.
Anyway, I also cannot see the relevance between suggesting volunteers should be excused based on individual circumstances and then turning around and suggesting those same individuals represent the feelings of the entire army.
Anyway, I also cannot see the relevance between suggesting volunteers should be excused based on individual circumstances and then turning around and suggesting those same individuals represent the feelings of the entire army.
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K.Snyder;1381024 wrote: Anyway, I also cannot see the relevance between suggesting volunteers should be excused based on individual circumstances and then turning around and suggesting those same individuals represent the feelings of the entire army.I think they're enacting the mindset of their commanders.
The thing is that these four US Marine snipers, dishonourable comedians though they show themselves to be, or "warriors" to use their own equivalent term, were in Afghanistan solely because they're employees of the US government. They're trained and paid by that government to kill people at long range. By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique.
How did they get that way, these specialist killers? By following the lead of their one-time commander, I'd have thought. He sounds pretty relaxed about the lack of value of the local residents: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them". Or urinate over them, or anything else to disguise their humanity, one assumes. They're not, after all, Americans.
He's good at the meaningless Warrior rhetoric when the moment calls for it, mind:For the mission's sake, our country's sake, and the sake of the men who carried the Division's colors in past battles "who fought for life and never lost their nerve" carry out your mission and keep your honor clean.
But as General Mattis also put it on another occasion when excusing the total obliteration of a wedding party by his troops, "let's not be naive". What you have here is an exercise in ritual humiliation which spectacularly backfired.
The thing is that these four US Marine snipers, dishonourable comedians though they show themselves to be, or "warriors" to use their own equivalent term, were in Afghanistan solely because they're employees of the US government. They're trained and paid by that government to kill people at long range. By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique.
How did they get that way, these specialist killers? By following the lead of their one-time commander, I'd have thought. He sounds pretty relaxed about the lack of value of the local residents: "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for 5 years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them". Or urinate over them, or anything else to disguise their humanity, one assumes. They're not, after all, Americans.
He's good at the meaningless Warrior rhetoric when the moment calls for it, mind:For the mission's sake, our country's sake, and the sake of the men who carried the Division's colors in past battles "who fought for life and never lost their nerve" carry out your mission and keep your honor clean.
But as General Mattis also put it on another occasion when excusing the total obliteration of a wedding party by his troops, "let's not be naive". What you have here is an exercise in ritual humiliation which spectacularly backfired.
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Okay ... I give up.
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I would also think seeing a soldier urinating on a deceased enemy soldier would help demean the very point in being there...
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I think It's a lot of fuss about little.
Why are these Taliban members dead? Most likely because they were trying to kill the Americans In the first place.
JJ Is quite right..... There Is a wealth of atrocities on the web of Taliban etc beheading their captives..
Why are these Taliban members dead? Most likely because they were trying to kill the Americans In the first place.
JJ Is quite right..... There Is a wealth of atrocities on the web of Taliban etc beheading their captives..
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oscar;1381030 wrote: I think It's a lot of fuss about little.
Why are these Taliban members dead? Most likely because they were trying to kill the Americans In the first place.
JJ Is quite right..... There Is a wealth of atrocities on the web of Taliban etc beheading their captives..Perhaps the alternative to an all out war is a police action against criminals
There are atrocious beheadings in Mexico
Why are these Taliban members dead? Most likely because they were trying to kill the Americans In the first place.
JJ Is quite right..... There Is a wealth of atrocities on the web of Taliban etc beheading their captives..Perhaps the alternative to an all out war is a police action against criminals
There are atrocious beheadings in Mexico
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The problem is not Americans claiming the HIGH MORAL GROUND, that's prejudicial. The problem is war it's self. German's, Japanese, Russians, British, Americans, all committed well documented acts desecrating their dead enemies during WW 2. Their are no GENTLEMEN in combat.
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Lon;1381033 wrote: The problem is not Americans claiming the HIGH MORAL GROUND, that's prejudicial. The problem is war it's self. German's, Japanese, Russians, British, Americans, all committed well documented acts desecrating their dead enemies during WW 2. Their are no GENTLEMEN in combat.Perhaps some gentlemen and some not
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Lon, would you expect these four - or five if another was operating the camera - to be dishonorably discharged?
Do you think the lax standards of Generals like Mattis contributed to their mindset?
Do you think the lax standards of Generals like Mattis contributed to their mindset?
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spot;1381025 wrote: ...I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique...
I'd be very interested in seeing you provide a link or two verifying that.
I'd be very interested in seeing you provide a link or two verifying that.
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SnoozeAgain;1381038 wrote: I'd be very interested in seeing you provide a link or two verifying that.
I bet you would, dear, I bet you would.
Google turns up an entire sub-genre of gay porn videos filmed on US Marine bases which focus on the topic. The buggery bit, that is, not the corpse thing. Perhaps I should have worded my sentence more carefully, I'm not of the opinion that bonding and corpses are regularly associated with US Marines. Just the fraternal buggery bit.
I bet you would, dear, I bet you would.
Google turns up an entire sub-genre of gay porn videos filmed on US Marine bases which focus on the topic. The buggery bit, that is, not the corpse thing. Perhaps I should have worded my sentence more carefully, I'm not of the opinion that bonding and corpses are regularly associated with US Marines. Just the fraternal buggery bit.
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Lon;1380993 wrote: Why is the press making such a big deal about it?:-3
Slow news day, probably!
Slow news day, probably!
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spot;1381039 wrote: I bet you would, dear, I bet you would.
Google turns up an entire sub-genre of gay porn videos filmed on US Marine bases which focus on the topic. The buggery bit, that is, not the corpse thing. Perhaps I should have worded my sentence more carefully, I'm not of the opinion that bonding and corpses are regularly associated with US Marines. Just the fraternal buggery bit. Provide a link then.
Now you wouldn't want the forum thinking your a bullshyter and US racist would you ?
Google turns up an entire sub-genre of gay porn videos filmed on US Marine bases which focus on the topic. The buggery bit, that is, not the corpse thing. Perhaps I should have worded my sentence more carefully, I'm not of the opinion that bonding and corpses are regularly associated with US Marines. Just the fraternal buggery bit. Provide a link then.
Now you wouldn't want the forum thinking your a bullshyter and US racist would you ?
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For someone that demands links and "proof" from all the other members here, he's very free with slandering a branch of the US military with mere hearsay and innuendo.
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My sentiments exactly Snooze and even after this slice of typical Spotspeak: "Perhaps I should have worded my sentence more carefully, I'm not of the opinion that bonding and corpses are regularly associated with US Marines. Just the fraternal buggery bit.", I for one am very unhappy with his remarks about the US Marine Corps.
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SnoozeAgain;1381049 wrote: For someone that demands links and "proof" from all the other members here, he's very free with slandering a branch of the US military with mere hearsay and innuendo.Rather than wandering through the back-catalog of Gay Marine I'll offer a rather more thoughtful appraisal. I recommend the entire article.We dare not tarnish the reputation of our Corps. Too many valiant men have fallen in honor for us to allow the term “Marine” to be degraded in a futile attempt to lend dignity to practitioners of unnatural acts. It is time to case the battle colors and ask Congress to disband our Marine Corps.
The America Needs Fatima Blog: Disband the Marine Corps
The America Needs Fatima Blog: Disband the Marine Corps
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A man walks into a bathroom where a Marine is urinating and makes use of a vacant urinal. When he's finished and as the man is exiting the bathroom, the Marine calls after him to proclaim: "you know, Marines are taught to wash their hands after pissing."; to which the man replies: "son, what everyone other than Marines apparently understands is not to piss in one's hands."
Sorry I can't provide a link to Marines pissing in their hands, but I believe I may be able to find you one to Marines urinating on the bodies of the deceased, if that will suffice.
Sorry I can't provide a link to Marines pissing in their hands, but I believe I may be able to find you one to Marines urinating on the bodies of the deceased, if that will suffice.
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Lon;1380993 wrote: Urinating on dead Afgan fighters is probably one of the less offensive things done to dead bodies after a battle----------by either side. Such is the nature of war.Urinating on dead people is certainly a despicable act, but you know things are really screwy when it's considered more so than the killing itself.
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Off topic: There were four stooges, isn't that right?
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Five. There were two - Curlies? Curlys? Curleys? Curly's? - guys named Curly.
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Accountable;1381070 wrote: Five. There were two - Curlies? Curlys? Curleys? Curly's? - guys named Curly.You're right, thankfully, I needed a fifth.
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You're both thinking of the Moes.
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Six, sorry. But only one Moe. Moe than one is too many.
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spot;1381063 wrote: Rather than wandering through the back-catalog of Gay Marine I'll offer a rather more thoughtful appraisal. I recommend the entire article.We dare not tarnish the reputation of our Corps. Too many valiant men have fallen in honor for us to allow the term “Marine” to be degraded in a futile attempt to lend dignity to practitioners of unnatural acts. It is time to case the battle colors and ask Congress to disband our Marine Corps.
The America Needs Fatima Blog: Disband the Marine Corps
You have provided a blog as evidence ????
Now.... Can you provide any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of your claims ?
A blog Is merely some-one's opinion who happens to agree with yours...
Evidence ?
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You have provided a blog as evidence ????
Now.... Can you provide any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of your claims ?
A blog Is merely some-one's opinion who happens to agree with yours...
Evidence ?
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What claim is it that you'd like me to justify, oscar?
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I'm sure spot will say this is off topic and therefore irrelevant but I remember a thread several years ago about some "yobs" that had peed on an unconscious woman on the pavement and spot found absolutely nothing wrong with it since the woman died soon after and he therefore didn't understand the public outrage. However I don't remember him claiming yobs had a long history of buggering each other. Maybe if they had been American...
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spot;1381076 wrote: What claim is it that you'd like me to justify, oscar?
Spot..
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By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique. "
Let's start with this shall we?
Do you have any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of US Marine's arss raping corpses as a bonding technique?
Spot..
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By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique. "
Let's start with this shall we?
Do you have any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of US Marine's arss raping corpses as a bonding technique?
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oscar;1381078 wrote: Spot..
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By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique. "
Let's start with this shall we?
Do you have any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of US Marine's arss raping corpses as a bonding technique?
Silly Oscar, he already said he misspoke. Which means we can write any sort of trash we want so long as we come back later and say "oh, I didn't mean to type that! haha"
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By the look of the pile of bodies over which the video shows them urinating, they would appear to have been engaged in their daily work on behalf of the US when this fraternal notion of despoiling the dead came over them. I'm surprised they didn't ass-rape the corpses instead, that also being a US Marine bonding technique. "
Let's start with this shall we?
Do you have any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of US Marine's arss raping corpses as a bonding technique?
Silly Oscar, he already said he misspoke. Which means we can write any sort of trash we want so long as we come back later and say "oh, I didn't mean to type that! haha"
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SnoozeAgain;1381077 wrote: I'm sure spot will say this is off topic and therefore irrelevant but I remember a thread several years ago about some "yobs" that had peed on an unconscious woman on the pavement and spot found absolutely nothing wrong with it since the woman died soon after and he therefore didn't understand the public outrage. However I don't remember him claiming yobs had a long history of buggering each other. Maybe if they had been American...
I think this is it:
spot;713662 wrote: I'm not sure how the cases you brought up compare to the one which led to the thread's creation. The case here relates to a man mocking and urinating on a corpse - I'm not sure whether evidence exists that she was merely unconscious and dying at the time, but she was certainly dead when she was checked by medics an hour later and she was never conscious of the offence before, during or after. As offences go I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed. Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died. Where does "a 12 year old girl who was abducted and raped and strangled" come into the picture?
I think this is it:
spot;713662 wrote: I'm not sure how the cases you brought up compare to the one which led to the thread's creation. The case here relates to a man mocking and urinating on a corpse - I'm not sure whether evidence exists that she was merely unconscious and dying at the time, but she was certainly dead when she was checked by medics an hour later and she was never conscious of the offence before, during or after. As offences go I'd rather see a parent who continually and forcefully slapped her child in a supermarket prosecuted than the man being discussed. Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died. Where does "a 12 year old girl who was abducted and raped and strangled" come into the picture?
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SnoozeAgain;1381079 wrote: Silly Oscar, he already said he misspoke. Which means we can write any sort of trash we want so long as we come back later and say "oh, I didn't mean to type that! haha"
Is ' Misspoke' code for ' I've written a pile of libelous crap and now I need to squirm out of It '?
Is ' Misspoke' code for ' I've written a pile of libelous crap and now I need to squirm out of It '?
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oscar;1381078 wrote: Do you have any bono fide, factual, documented evidence of US Marine's arss raping corpses as a bonding technique?No oscar, as I said earlier I don't. I explained that the second half of the sentence related to the preceding bit about male-on-male anal penetration and that the wording was loose.
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Accountable;1381080 wrote: I think this is it:
Thank you acc - I doubt many people will equate "Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died" with "spot found absolutely nothing wrong with it".
Thank you acc - I doubt many people will equate "Outrageously offensive he undoubtedly was but he did nothing which harmed the woman who died" with "spot found absolutely nothing wrong with it".
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