Most race attack victims `are white' - News - The Independent
This new report finally confirms what Nationalist Parties have been saying for years and Is likely to spark some debate In the country.
THE MAJORITY of victims of racial attacks are white, according to a report to be released next week by race relations watchdogs.
The disclosure, days before the release of the findings of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, will provoke intense debate over Britain's future direction as a multicultural society.
The Commission for Racial Equality, which has produced the report, called for detailed government research into the nature of racist attacks on white people.
CRE chairman Sir Herman Ouseley said: "It would be irresponsible for us to not try to take this on head-on and understand it better."
He said: "It's absolutely clear in our view that you can be black and racist. Clearly the evidence we have shows that this is not just a white problem."
The CRE report, called Racial Attacks and Harassment, records that 238,000 white people told researchers they had been victims of a racial offence in a 12-month period, compared to 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks.
At Last !!!!! Some truth !!!
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oscar;1380819 wrote: Most race attack victims `are white' - News - The Independent
This new report finally confirms what Nationalist Parties have been saying for years and Is likely to spark some debate In the country.
THE MAJORITY of victims of racial attacks are white, according to a report to be released next week by race relations watchdogs.
The disclosure, days before the release of the findings of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, will provoke intense debate over Britain's future direction as a multicultural society.
The Commission for Racial Equality, which has produced the report, called for detailed government research into the nature of racist attacks on white people.
CRE chairman Sir Herman Ouseley said: "It would be irresponsible for us to not try to take this on head-on and understand it better."
He said: "It's absolutely clear in our view that you can be black and racist. Clearly the evidence we have shows that this is not just a white problem."
The CRE report, called Racial Attacks and Harassment, records that 238,000 white people told researchers they had been victims of a racial offence in a 12-month period, compared to 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks.
At Last !!!!! Some truth !!!
Do you not think that sensitivity might have something to do with the results?
Given that the figures are the victims view of whether an incident had been racially motivated and constituted an offence (not an attack as you suggest in your title) rather than any fixed measure then the results are subjective. Given that Asians and afro-Caribbeans have long been the victims of some large scale race hate whereas the white population has been relatively free of it, it is likely that a white person would consider racially offensive something that an Asian or afro-Caribbean would consider normal and ignore.
This new report finally confirms what Nationalist Parties have been saying for years and Is likely to spark some debate In the country.
THE MAJORITY of victims of racial attacks are white, according to a report to be released next week by race relations watchdogs.
The disclosure, days before the release of the findings of the Stephen Lawrence inquiry, will provoke intense debate over Britain's future direction as a multicultural society.
The Commission for Racial Equality, which has produced the report, called for detailed government research into the nature of racist attacks on white people.
CRE chairman Sir Herman Ouseley said: "It would be irresponsible for us to not try to take this on head-on and understand it better."
He said: "It's absolutely clear in our view that you can be black and racist. Clearly the evidence we have shows that this is not just a white problem."
The CRE report, called Racial Attacks and Harassment, records that 238,000 white people told researchers they had been victims of a racial offence in a 12-month period, compared to 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks.
At Last !!!!! Some truth !!!
Do you not think that sensitivity might have something to do with the results?
Given that the figures are the victims view of whether an incident had been racially motivated and constituted an offence (not an attack as you suggest in your title) rather than any fixed measure then the results are subjective. Given that Asians and afro-Caribbeans have long been the victims of some large scale race hate whereas the white population has been relatively free of it, it is likely that a white person would consider racially offensive something that an Asian or afro-Caribbean would consider normal and ignore.
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Bryn Mawr;1380822 wrote: Do you not think that sensitivity might have something to do with the results?
Given that the figures are the victims view of whether an incident had been racially motivated and constituted an offence (not an attack as you suggest in your title) rather than any fixed measure then the results are subjective. Given that Asians and afro-Caribbeans have long been the victims of some large scale race hate whereas the white population has been relatively free of it, it is likely that a white person would consider racially offensive something that an Asian or afro-Caribbean would consider normal and ignore.
I see your point Bryn but one could equally argue that attacks on ethnics by whites has also been viewed as racist when they were not.
I used the word Attacks' In my title as the article stated the findings were based on Attacks'.
Given that the figures are the victims view of whether an incident had been racially motivated and constituted an offence (not an attack as you suggest in your title) rather than any fixed measure then the results are subjective. Given that Asians and afro-Caribbeans have long been the victims of some large scale race hate whereas the white population has been relatively free of it, it is likely that a white person would consider racially offensive something that an Asian or afro-Caribbean would consider normal and ignore.
I see your point Bryn but one could equally argue that attacks on ethnics by whites has also been viewed as racist when they were not.
I used the word Attacks' In my title as the article stated the findings were based on Attacks'.
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oscar;1380823 wrote: I see your point Bryn but one could equally argue that attacks on ethnics by whites has also been viewed as racist when they were not.
I used the word Attacks' In my title as the article stated the findings were based on Attacks'.
The media might have used that word in their chase for sales but the CRE, from your own quote, did not :-
The CRE report, called Racial Attacks and Harassment, records that 238,000 white people told researchers they had been victims of a racial offence in a 12-month period, compared to 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks.
How could one "equally argue"? On what grounds? I've given reasoning for my argument - now let's see yours :p
I used the word Attacks' In my title as the article stated the findings were based on Attacks'.
The media might have used that word in their chase for sales but the CRE, from your own quote, did not :-
The CRE report, called Racial Attacks and Harassment, records that 238,000 white people told researchers they had been victims of a racial offence in a 12-month period, compared to 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks.
How could one "equally argue"? On what grounds? I've given reasoning for my argument - now let's see yours :p
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Bryn Mawr;1380825 wrote: The media might have used that word in their chase for sales but the CRE, from your own quote, did not :-
How could one "equally argue"? On what grounds? I've given reasoning for my argument - now let's see yours :p The paragraph you quoted Is self explanatory.
If we are to say that the 238,000 white people who told researchers that they had been victims of a racial offence, or some of that figure, only 'perceived' the offence to be racial, the equally, the 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks could also have only 'perceived' the attack as racial.
You can not take one set of figures, dismiss them but accept the opposing set of figures as true when they have been arrived at by the same method.
How could one "equally argue"? On what grounds? I've given reasoning for my argument - now let's see yours :p The paragraph you quoted Is self explanatory.
If we are to say that the 238,000 white people who told researchers that they had been victims of a racial offence, or some of that figure, only 'perceived' the offence to be racial, the equally, the 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks could also have only 'perceived' the attack as racial.
You can not take one set of figures, dismiss them but accept the opposing set of figures as true when they have been arrived at by the same method.
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oscar;1380827 wrote: The paragraph you quoted Is self explanatory.
If we are to say that the 238,000 white people who told researchers that they had been victims of a racial offence, or some of that figure, only 'perceived' the offence to be racial, the equally, the 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks could also have only 'perceived' the attack as racial.
You can not take one set of figures, dismiss them but accept the opposing set of figures as true when they have been arrived at by the same method.
No? I've given a mechanism whereby the figures could naturally be skewed - without a control to compare against statistics like this can be very misleading and the method used to derive the figures is exactly the cause of the possible problem.
You've claimed the the figures could be skewed the other way but give no mechanism that could account for it.
If we are to say that the 238,000 white people who told researchers that they had been victims of a racial offence, or some of that figure, only 'perceived' the offence to be racial, the equally, the 101,000 Asians and 42,000 blacks could also have only 'perceived' the attack as racial.
You can not take one set of figures, dismiss them but accept the opposing set of figures as true when they have been arrived at by the same method.
No? I've given a mechanism whereby the figures could naturally be skewed - without a control to compare against statistics like this can be very misleading and the method used to derive the figures is exactly the cause of the possible problem.
You've claimed the the figures could be skewed the other way but give no mechanism that could account for it.
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Bryn Mawr;1380828 wrote: No? I've given a mechanism whereby the figures could naturally be skewed - without a control to compare against statistics like this can be very misleading and the method used to derive the figures is exactly the cause of the possible problem.
You've claimed the the figures could be skewed the other way but give no mechanism that could account for it. Are you saying the findings of the report are to deliberately mislead the public ?
You've claimed the the figures could be skewed the other way but give no mechanism that could account for it. Are you saying the findings of the report are to deliberately mislead the public ?
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oscar;1380830 wrote: Are you saying the findings of the report are to deliberately mislead the public ?
No, where do I say that?
No, where do I say that?
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Bryn Mawr;1380831 wrote: No, where do I say that? You didn't say It... I just wondered If you thought It ?
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What about white on white racism? Have a look at what used to be said about the irish or the welsh and stikll is in some circles, I've been picked on because of my accent while down south, people from liverpool or Birmingham face discrimination just because of their accents - once upon a time you couldn't get a job on the bbc if you couldn't lose your regional accent. You can get picked on in scotland if you are english not so much for geordies or the like but if you are from the south east or london with a poncy accent but is that perhaps more to do with angles, saxons and normans all hating each other in the past? an old racial memory stirring? It's lawful to discriminate against people on religious grounds all the BNP is doing is pick on one aspect of prejudice and play it up right in to the hands of bigots on the other side.
Of course black racism exists, black on black as well. Best response I ever heard was from a very black ghanian to a Jamaican who was making fun of him because of his very very black skin was just because your ancestors couldn't run fast enough to get away from the slavers doesn't make you superior. Hindus hate muslims and vice versa unless they get to know each other. Try asking a muslim father what he would do if his daughter came home with a white boy. Bigotry is a problem the world over so are mental midgets like the BNP
Of course black racism exists, black on black as well. Best response I ever heard was from a very black ghanian to a Jamaican who was making fun of him because of his very very black skin was just because your ancestors couldn't run fast enough to get away from the slavers doesn't make you superior. Hindus hate muslims and vice versa unless they get to know each other. Try asking a muslim father what he would do if his daughter came home with a white boy. Bigotry is a problem the world over so are mental midgets like the BNP
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Try asking a muslim father what he would do if his daughter came home with a white boy.
Isn't that what honor killing is for?
Do you consider muslims non-white? Don't you mean "non-muslim" boy?
Isn't that what honor killing is for?
Do you consider muslims non-white? Don't you mean "non-muslim" boy?
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AnneBoleyn;1380857 wrote: Isn't that what honor killing is for?
Do you consider muslims non-white? Don't you mean "non-muslim" boy?
Not necessarily, you're right of course most I've fallen in to the stereotyping trap. Non-muslim boy it should have been but a white one would probably be more shocking.
Most people mean north european when they refer to white try asking oscar or somebody what they would class an arab as. Hitler had it in for the slavic peoples as well as the jews his racism wasn't just about more than colour. Racism often has more to do with culture and religion than just skin colour that's just another factor.
Do you consider muslims non-white? Don't you mean "non-muslim" boy?
Not necessarily, you're right of course most I've fallen in to the stereotyping trap. Non-muslim boy it should have been but a white one would probably be more shocking.
Most people mean north european when they refer to white try asking oscar or somebody what they would class an arab as. Hitler had it in for the slavic peoples as well as the jews his racism wasn't just about more than colour. Racism often has more to do with culture and religion than just skin colour that's just another factor.
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gmc;1380876 wrote: Not necessarily, you're right of course most I've fallen in to the stereotyping trap. Non-muslim boy it should have been but a white one would probably be more shocking.
Most people mean north european when they refer to white try asking oscar or somebody what they would class an arab as. Hitler had it in for the slavic peoples as well as the jews his racism wasn't just about more than colour. Racism often has more to do with culture and religion than just skin colour that's just another factor.
I don't class any body.
I oppose open door, mass Immigration when our country can not financially sustain It and that which changes the demographics.
But God Forbid, anyone dares asks questions of the Government who allowed this and we are all raving racists.
Most people mean north european when they refer to white try asking oscar or somebody what they would class an arab as. Hitler had it in for the slavic peoples as well as the jews his racism wasn't just about more than colour. Racism often has more to do with culture and religion than just skin colour that's just another factor.
I don't class any body.
I oppose open door, mass Immigration when our country can not financially sustain It and that which changes the demographics.
But God Forbid, anyone dares asks questions of the Government who allowed this and we are all raving racists.
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More than 85% of the population of the UK is white, according to the 2001 Census. Equally distributed, there should be five or six times the number of race attacks on white people than on non-whites. But in fact, 85% of the population suffer only twice the number of attacks. That's very low.
Yet again the "evidence" you produce suggests the opposite of what you claim.
Yet again the "evidence" you produce suggests the opposite of what you claim.
The crowd: "Yes! We are all individuals!"
Lone voice: "I'm not."
Lone voice: "I'm not."
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gmc;1380849 wrote: Try asking a muslim father what he would do if his daughter came home with a white boy.Perhaps he'd be more receptive than if she were to come home with a black boy.
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If you ask me: racism is everywhere and attacks are made at whites, blacks, asians etc etc. It doesn't matter if you would be purple with green spots someone will always be racist to you.
I just think most of it is and always will be projected as white skinned people being racist to " other coloured ( or other cultures) " people. Even though white skinned people are probably just as much of a victim as anybody else.
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. This is also a form of racism.
That guy would never have been aloud to say: you don't qualify because you are not white.
So why is he aloud to turn it around and still reject whites but not other "cultures and colours".
Just for the record: i don't care if you are black, white, asian or even purple with green spots. but i still don't think it's fair how I could be rejected for my colour skin but a different skinned person could not, because in their eyes that would then be racism.
I just think most of it is and always will be projected as white skinned people being racist to " other coloured ( or other cultures) " people. Even though white skinned people are probably just as much of a victim as anybody else.
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. This is also a form of racism.
That guy would never have been aloud to say: you don't qualify because you are not white.
So why is he aloud to turn it around and still reject whites but not other "cultures and colours".
Just for the record: i don't care if you are black, white, asian or even purple with green spots. but i still don't think it's fair how I could be rejected for my colour skin but a different skinned person could not, because in their eyes that would then be racism.
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Chloe_88;1380907 wrote: If you ask me: racism is everywhere and attacks are made at whites, blacks, asians etc etc. It doesn't matter if you would be purple with green spots someone will always be racist to you.
I just think most of it is and always will be projected as white skinned people being racist to " other coloured ( or other cultures) " people. Even though white skinned people are probably just as much of a victim as anybody else.
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. This is also a form of racism.
That guy would never have been aloud to say: you don't qualify because you are not white.
So why is he aloud to turn it around and still reject whites but not other "cultures and colours".
Just for the record: i don't care if you are black, white, asian or even purple with green spots. but i still don't think it's fair how I could be rejected for my colour skin but a different skinned person could not, because in their eyes that would then be racism.Discrimination is the product of the rich fearing they're going to lose more money.
Think back to the African slave trade. It was all to do with business and the hatred that followed was an effect of it which was harbored by the ignorant that felt a certain level of gratification in dehumanizing other humans, ironic isn't it?
Here are some of my favorite quotes from George Bernard Shaw
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" ...
"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity"
George Bernard Shaw - Wikiquote
I just think most of it is and always will be projected as white skinned people being racist to " other coloured ( or other cultures) " people. Even though white skinned people are probably just as much of a victim as anybody else.
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. This is also a form of racism.
That guy would never have been aloud to say: you don't qualify because you are not white.
So why is he aloud to turn it around and still reject whites but not other "cultures and colours".
Just for the record: i don't care if you are black, white, asian or even purple with green spots. but i still don't think it's fair how I could be rejected for my colour skin but a different skinned person could not, because in their eyes that would then be racism.Discrimination is the product of the rich fearing they're going to lose more money.
Think back to the African slave trade. It was all to do with business and the hatred that followed was an effect of it which was harbored by the ignorant that felt a certain level of gratification in dehumanizing other humans, ironic isn't it?
Here are some of my favorite quotes from George Bernard Shaw
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man" ...
"The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them: that's the essence of inhumanity"
George Bernard Shaw - Wikiquote
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Black people can't be racist as whites can. That doesn't mean that blacks can't be prejudiced, they can. However, racism is defined as one group who can be made submissive to another, meaning the white race as an entity subjugated the black race as an entire entity. While Chloe is describing an act by her housing authority as being "reverse" racism, in actuality it is not, it is bad urban planning. The white race as a whole has never been enslaved or made subservient to any other race. That's why only whites have the clout to be called racist.
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I'm sorry but being denied acces or certain right because of what ever colour IS racism
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Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. This is also a form of racism.
This guy you mention, Chloe, was he black or a white bureaucrat, imposing a policy made by white netherlanders? Who made the policy, who built the building? White or black?
This guy you mention, Chloe, was he black or a white bureaucrat, imposing a policy made by white netherlanders? Who made the policy, who built the building? White or black?
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AnneBoleyn;1380968 wrote: This guy you mention, Chloe, was he black or a white bureaucrat, imposing a policy made by white netherlanders? Who made the policy, who built the building? White or black?
I don't know i didn't ask my parents. But like I said it wouldn't matter if he was the same colour or even purple. If he (or his company in this matter) made such rules it IS racism no matter wat colour my parent are.
And just to add: my parents are english and this was when they still lived in england.
I don't know i didn't ask my parents. But like I said it wouldn't matter if he was the same colour or even purple. If he (or his company in this matter) made such rules it IS racism no matter wat colour my parent are.
And just to add: my parents are english and this was when they still lived in england.
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Chloe_88;1380907 wrote:
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. colours".
How many mouths did this go through before you heard the story ?
Sorry Chloe_88 this is an ironic remark made by people that don't meet the qualifying standards, that see someone with a different skin tone as an easy target for their anger.
Just an example: before i was even born my parents could not get on the emergency housing list because the guy literally said: you are not black, so i'm sorry you don't qualify for the emergency list. colours".
How many mouths did this go through before you heard the story ?
Sorry Chloe_88 this is an ironic remark made by people that don't meet the qualifying standards, that see someone with a different skin tone as an easy target for their anger.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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Does matter. Can't be called racism, or I believe you mean "reverse" racism, as we call it here, & we proudly know all about racism in the states! : ) I can't claim to know a lot about white european racism v. black immigrants. I do know that, i.e. in professional sports in Europe whites have been known to throw bananas & make monkey gestures at African players. That hasn't happened here since the 1940's. It's not that the US is advanced in race relations, I'm not sure what it means except there would be riots in the street if that ever happened again. Besides, the players are multi-millionaires. Europeans did not have blacks as part of their nations since inception, like the states. Bureaucrats & politicians love to have whites/blacks at each other's throats, & bad policy, like your story, is one way to do it. Then, instead of paying attention to how governments are cheating us, we look to fight with our differently coloured neighbors instead. Pawns in the politico's game is what we become when we are at each other's throats instead of uniting. I can understand how european nations, who have long had the same ethnicity, feel estranged within their own borders when other nationalities are brought into the picture. For us, it's always been that way, we have always been a nation with black people in it. I get nervous when I don't see black people. White people scare the bejesus out of me! & in the U.S., black on white crime is very rare compared to black on black, asian on asian, white on white criminal activity.
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Bruv;1380970 wrote: How many mouths did this go through before you heard the story ?
Sorry Chloe_88 this is an ironic remark made by people that don't meet the qualifying standards, that see someone with a different skin tone as an easy target for their anger.
I heard it from my mum who obviously talked to the guy directly. I hate to say it (and no i'm not a racist) my mum had one small child and pregnant with the second having to go up a flight of stairs "pregnant and with a buggy" and she could not get better living arrangements. But if she would have been black she would have been able to get different accommodation. So in my book: Thats racism, not matter what ever the colour my mum has.
Sorry Chloe_88 this is an ironic remark made by people that don't meet the qualifying standards, that see someone with a different skin tone as an easy target for their anger.
I heard it from my mum who obviously talked to the guy directly. I hate to say it (and no i'm not a racist) my mum had one small child and pregnant with the second having to go up a flight of stairs "pregnant and with a buggy" and she could not get better living arrangements. But if she would have been black she would have been able to get different accommodation. So in my book: Thats racism, not matter what ever the colour my mum has.
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AnneBoleyn;1380972 wrote: Does matter. Can't be called racism, or I believe you mean "reverse" racism, as we call it here, & we proudly know all about racism in the states! : ) I can't claim to know a lot about white european racism v. black immigrants. I do know that, i.e. in professional sports in Europe whites have been known to throw bananas & make monkey gestures at African players. That hasn't happened here since the 1940's. It's not that the US is advanced in race relations, I'm not sure what it means except there would be riots in the street if that ever happened again. Besides, the players are multi-millionaires. Europeans did not have blacks as part of their nations since inception, like the states. Bureaucrats & politicians love to have whites/blacks at each other's throats, & bad policy, like your story, is one way to do it. Then, instead of paying attention to how governments are cheating us, we look to fight with our differently coloured neighbors instead. Pawns in the politico's game is what we become when we are at each other's throats instead of uniting. I can understand how european nations, who have long had the same ethnicity, feel estranged within their own borders when other nationalities are brought into the picture. For us, it's always been that way, we have always been a nation with black people in it. I get nervous when I don't see black people. White people scare the bejesus out of me! & in the U.S., black on white crime is very rare compared to black on black, asian on asian, white on white criminal activity.
Judging someone on their colour (or religion) is Racism to me not matter what you say. In my book: we are not black, white or asian or whatever, we are human and we are equal. Anyone who judges someone else on their colour or religion is just an ******* to me.
Judging someone on their colour (or religion) is Racism to me not matter what you say. In my book: we are not black, white or asian or whatever, we are human and we are equal. Anyone who judges someone else on their colour or religion is just an ******* to me.
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Interested to know AnneBoleyn if you are African American and where you come from, Americans normally spell 'coloured' without the 'U'.........just asking
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Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism! Sorry, really, to be such a stickler for terms, but when dealing with law & laws & lawyers it becomes important. OK, maybe it's just my particular Prejudice!!!!!!!!!!!! : ) No, really, that's the definitions & I'm still sorry I'm being so anal about it!
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Hi, Bruv, no I'm not African-American. I was copying Chloe when I wrote colour, but I did have the great wonderful pleasure of living in England for about a year & 1/2, so I'm used to many British ways of doing things.
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AnneBoleyn;1380976 wrote: Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism! Sorry, really, to be such a stickler for terms, but when dealing with law & laws & lawyers it becomes important. OK, maybe it's just my particular Prejudice!!!!!!!!!!!! : ) No, really, that's the definitions & I'm still sorry I'm being so anal about it!
How can it not be racism when it is judging someone on their race?!
According to the dictionary:
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
According to the dictionary it doesn't mention black white or asian. Or are you telling me the dictionary was made by only one white person (or just a group of only white people)
How can it not be racism when it is judging someone on their race?!
According to the dictionary:
rac·ism [rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
According to the dictionary it doesn't mention black white or asian. Or are you telling me the dictionary was made by only one white person (or just a group of only white people)
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K.Snyder;1380904 wrote: Perhaps he'd be more receptive than if she were to come home with a black boy.
Depends on the individual but in my limited experience Pakistanis are even more prejudiced against black people than we are, Some hindus won't work with muslim pakistanis, muslim men have a problem working with females and hidu women don;t like being bossed around by luslim men. I had real problems with that last one because I didn't realise what the problem was at first. No one has a monopoly on racism.
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Black people can't be racist as whites can. That doesn't mean that blacks can't be prejudiced, they can. However, racism is defined as one group who can be made submissive to another, meaning the white race as an entity subjugated the black race as an entire entity. While Chloe is describing an act by her housing authority as being "reverse" racism, in actuality it is not, it is bad urban planning. The white race as a whole has never been enslaved or made subservient to any other race. That's why only whites have the clout to be called racist.
Actually that's not true - who do you think was supplying the slaves for all the white slave traders it wasn't the whites going in raiding rival tribes to sell them off to the white men. The zulus used to hunt the bushmen for sport Arab slave trading was going on for far longer and still goes on today. Racism is at the heart of the conflict in sudan. There were around an estimated two million slaves taken from europe in the 16th and 17th centuries - blond slaves in particular got a high price and were sold as far afield as china. After slavery became more and more unacceptable in europe and in particular it was wrong to enslave a christian to get round the problem of blacks converting and asking for freedom that same christian religion decided that black people were in fact inferior, the white man's burden, manifest destiny and all that crap is a way of justifying colonising/enslaving other peoples or simply exterminating them.
Colour is a twist on an old tale, one tribe has enslaved another since time immemorial and one tribal sibgroup has looked down on another as inferior for centuries. In the UK the romans, angles, vikings, scots, saxons and normans all walked in and took over the place, what you see in the British population is as a result of the mixing up of all the different white races or peoples as you go round tye country you can see distinct facial and body characteristics. Incidentally the romans stationed black troops here and your namesakes daughter is on record complaining about the number of black people to be found in england
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What do you think is the cause of the hatred between tribes in rwanda? racism isn't just about black on white it's white on white, balck on black and all the colours of the rainbow and anything convenient to work up a good hate about, religion is great for that 0- let's start a religion preacvhing there is only one true faith and go to war against the heretics or how about let's get rid of all the people with brown eyes for a kick off - starting with nick griffin.
Depends on the individual but in my limited experience Pakistanis are even more prejudiced against black people than we are, Some hindus won't work with muslim pakistanis, muslim men have a problem working with females and hidu women don;t like being bossed around by luslim men. I had real problems with that last one because I didn't realise what the problem was at first. No one has a monopoly on racism.
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Black people can't be racist as whites can. That doesn't mean that blacks can't be prejudiced, they can. However, racism is defined as one group who can be made submissive to another, meaning the white race as an entity subjugated the black race as an entire entity. While Chloe is describing an act by her housing authority as being "reverse" racism, in actuality it is not, it is bad urban planning. The white race as a whole has never been enslaved or made subservient to any other race. That's why only whites have the clout to be called racist.
Actually that's not true - who do you think was supplying the slaves for all the white slave traders it wasn't the whites going in raiding rival tribes to sell them off to the white men. The zulus used to hunt the bushmen for sport Arab slave trading was going on for far longer and still goes on today. Racism is at the heart of the conflict in sudan. There were around an estimated two million slaves taken from europe in the 16th and 17th centuries - blond slaves in particular got a high price and were sold as far afield as china. After slavery became more and more unacceptable in europe and in particular it was wrong to enslave a christian to get round the problem of blacks converting and asking for freedom that same christian religion decided that black people were in fact inferior, the white man's burden, manifest destiny and all that crap is a way of justifying colonising/enslaving other peoples or simply exterminating them.
Colour is a twist on an old tale, one tribe has enslaved another since time immemorial and one tribal sibgroup has looked down on another as inferior for centuries. In the UK the romans, angles, vikings, scots, saxons and normans all walked in and took over the place, what you see in the British population is as a result of the mixing up of all the different white races or peoples as you go round tye country you can see distinct facial and body characteristics. Incidentally the romans stationed black troops here and your namesakes daughter is on record complaining about the number of black people to be found in england
The National Archives | Exhibitions & Learning online | Black presence | Early times
What do you think is the cause of the hatred between tribes in rwanda? racism isn't just about black on white it's white on white, balck on black and all the colours of the rainbow and anything convenient to work up a good hate about, religion is great for that 0- let's start a religion preacvhing there is only one true faith and go to war against the heretics or how about let's get rid of all the people with brown eyes for a kick off - starting with nick griffin.
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gmc ......That is the first time I have found a chink in your reasoning.
There is and always has been a vast difference in the tribal feuds and inter clan slavery within Africa and the historical event known as "The slave trade" and it's affects since then.
The African slaves were bought and sold, and were kept separate as a commodity and treated as possessions or assets, bred to keep down costs.
They and their descendants were never to be anything other than slaves.
The slaves within Africa could regain their liberty, and if not could be assimilated into their masters tribes, intermarry etc.
There are inter tribal rivalries in Africa but only the same as inter tribal rivalries within Europe and they are not racial, as the races concerned are the same.
There is and always has been a vast difference in the tribal feuds and inter clan slavery within Africa and the historical event known as "The slave trade" and it's affects since then.
The African slaves were bought and sold, and were kept separate as a commodity and treated as possessions or assets, bred to keep down costs.
They and their descendants were never to be anything other than slaves.
The slaves within Africa could regain their liberty, and if not could be assimilated into their masters tribes, intermarry etc.
There are inter tribal rivalries in Africa but only the same as inter tribal rivalries within Europe and they are not racial, as the races concerned are the same.
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AnneBoleyn;1380972 wrote: Does matter. Can't be called racism, or I believe you mean "reverse" racism, as we call it here, & we proudly know all about racism in the states! : ) I can't claim to know a lot about white european racism v. black immigrants. I do know that, i.e. in professional sports in Europe whites have been known to throw bananas & make monkey gestures at African players. That hasn't happened here since the 1940's. It's not that the US is advanced in race relations, I'm not sure what it means except there would be riots in the street if that ever happened again. Besides, the players are multi-millionaires. Europeans did not have blacks as part of their nations since inception, like the states. Bureaucrats & politicians love to have whites/blacks at each other's throats, & bad policy, like your story, is one way to do it. Then, instead of paying attention to how governments are cheating us, we look to fight with our differently coloured neighbors instead. Pawns in the politico's game is what we become when we are at each other's throats instead of uniting. I can understand how european nations, who have long had the same ethnicity, feel estranged within their own borders when other nationalities are brought into the picture. For us, it's always been that way, we have always been a nation with black people in it. I get nervous when I don't see black people. White people scare the bejesus out of me! & in the U.S., black on white crime is very rare compared to black on black, asian on asian, white on white criminal activity.
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Hello, gmc. Who is ned griffin? Seriously, I had not heard of him before. Is he the comedian or british politician, or both? The rethuglican party is often both. As I think of it, the dems are the same in their own special :wah: ways. Both are both. I want to respond to your historically accurate post, but first I must wish you goodnight, see you tomorrow.
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Jared Taylor (also known as Samuel Jared Taylor) founded The New Century Foundation, a self-styled think tank known primarily for American Renaissance, a white supremacist journal and companion Website. The journal, which Taylor edits, promotes pseudoscientific studies that attempt to demonstrate the intellectual and cultural superiority of whites and publishes articles on the supposed decline of American society because of integrationist social policies. American Renaissance generally avoids the crude bigotry and stereotyping characteristic of many other racist publications and Taylor himself personally refrains from anti-Semitism.
Jared Taylor/American Renaissance
This man is a racist.
"Affiliations: Taylor is on the editorial advisory board of Citizens Informer, the newspaper of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, has contributed to The Occidental Quarterly a racist journal, and has been a member of the Board of Directors of the National Policy Institute, a racist “think tank.” " (same link).
What a great conversation this is! Thanks, you guys, but now I must tear myself away!
Jared Taylor/American Renaissance
This man is a racist.
"Affiliations: Taylor is on the editorial advisory board of Citizens Informer, the newspaper of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, has contributed to The Occidental Quarterly a racist journal, and has been a member of the Board of Directors of the National Policy Institute, a racist “think tank.” " (same link).
What a great conversation this is! Thanks, you guys, but now I must tear myself away!
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AnneBoleyn;1380985 wrote: Hello, gmc. Who is ned griffin? Seriously, I had not heard of him before. Is he the comedian .
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AnneBoleyn;1380976 wrote: Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism! Sorry, really, to be such a stickler for terms, but when dealing with law & laws & lawyers it becomes important. OK, maybe it's just my particular Prejudice!!!!!!!!!!!! : ) No, really, that's the definitions & I'm still sorry I'm being so anal about it!Ok, I was following you on the whole "It's prejudice not racism" thing but then tripped over thisAnneBoleyn;1380986 wrote: Jared Taylor/American Renaissance
This man is a racist.
"Affiliations: Taylor is on the editorial advisory board of Citizens Informer, the newspaper of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, has contributed to The Occidental Quarterly a racist journal, and has been a member of the Board of Directors of the National Policy Institute, a racist “think tank.” " (same link).
What a great conversation this is! Thanks, you guys, but now I must tear myself away! I would have even suggested that I agree racism is merely a form of ignorance that likes to hide behind a word but now I'm left to ask if you'll be so kind to clarify these definitions that you're using... Do you or do you not see "Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism!"? Is the qualifying factor some form of physical violence?
This man is a racist.
"Affiliations: Taylor is on the editorial advisory board of Citizens Informer, the newspaper of the white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, has contributed to The Occidental Quarterly a racist journal, and has been a member of the Board of Directors of the National Policy Institute, a racist “think tank.” " (same link).
What a great conversation this is! Thanks, you guys, but now I must tear myself away! I would have even suggested that I agree racism is merely a form of ignorance that likes to hide behind a word but now I'm left to ask if you'll be so kind to clarify these definitions that you're using... Do you or do you not see "Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism!"? Is the qualifying factor some form of physical violence?
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Bruv;1380982 wrote: gmc ......That is the first time I have found a chink in your reasoning.
There is and always has been a vast difference in the tribal feuds and inter clan slavery within Africa and the historical event known as "The slave trade" and it's affects since then.
The African slaves were bought and sold, and were kept separate as a commodity and treated as possessions or assets, bred to keep down costs.
They and their descendants were never to be anything other than slaves.
The slaves within Africa could regain their liberty, and if not could be assimilated into their masters tribes, intermarry etc.
There are inter tribal rivalries in Africa but only the same as inter tribal rivalries within Europe and they are not racial, as the races concerned are the same.
Thank you but there are an awful lot of chinks in my reasoning, I don't think it is an issue where there is any "right" explanation or answer. I'd actually agree with you but when you look back at the past skin colour seems to be less of an issue than it became, the Egyptians seem to have had black pharoahs the queen of sheba was probably black african which may or may not account for some of the animosity the writers of the bible had but they never mention her skin colour, the romans had black legions, some of the first christian saints were black. In medieval UK the serfs were the conquered peoples of this land who could not, at one point, change their status, same in russia, germany etc etc. How it changed so that only black people could be slaves is a fascinating topic. The word slave is from the roman word for the inhabitants of romania, all hitler did was follow tradition when he decided slavic peoples were a sub-human people. Human nature is to be fascinated by other people and cultures that are different from theirs you have to be taught prejudice from an early age for it to be part of your character.
We see vestiges of the same arrogant superiority of the medieval warlord all the time - every time some pundit complains that workers should just do as they are told and stop asking for better conditions or accept a pay cut or lose their jobs for the greater good, or a corporation dumps chemicals that ruin the water courses and cause death and disease and politicians are bribed in to turning a blind eye or people are kicked off their land so someone more powerful can take and use what wasn't theirs until they took it. They just have to be more subtle nowadays. In a way racism just distracts from the real issues and the exploited are conned in to kicking the ones lower down the scale.
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Hello, gmc. Who is ned griffin? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
He's the UK's answer to david duke but with a charisma bypass. He's leader of the British national party, a right wing pseudo nazi party that amongst other things wants to send immigrants home. Oscar is a member so I was having a slight dig
There is and always has been a vast difference in the tribal feuds and inter clan slavery within Africa and the historical event known as "The slave trade" and it's affects since then.
The African slaves were bought and sold, and were kept separate as a commodity and treated as possessions or assets, bred to keep down costs.
They and their descendants were never to be anything other than slaves.
The slaves within Africa could regain their liberty, and if not could be assimilated into their masters tribes, intermarry etc.
There are inter tribal rivalries in Africa but only the same as inter tribal rivalries within Europe and they are not racial, as the races concerned are the same.
Thank you but there are an awful lot of chinks in my reasoning, I don't think it is an issue where there is any "right" explanation or answer. I'd actually agree with you but when you look back at the past skin colour seems to be less of an issue than it became, the Egyptians seem to have had black pharoahs the queen of sheba was probably black african which may or may not account for some of the animosity the writers of the bible had but they never mention her skin colour, the romans had black legions, some of the first christian saints were black. In medieval UK the serfs were the conquered peoples of this land who could not, at one point, change their status, same in russia, germany etc etc. How it changed so that only black people could be slaves is a fascinating topic. The word slave is from the roman word for the inhabitants of romania, all hitler did was follow tradition when he decided slavic peoples were a sub-human people. Human nature is to be fascinated by other people and cultures that are different from theirs you have to be taught prejudice from an early age for it to be part of your character.
We see vestiges of the same arrogant superiority of the medieval warlord all the time - every time some pundit complains that workers should just do as they are told and stop asking for better conditions or accept a pay cut or lose their jobs for the greater good, or a corporation dumps chemicals that ruin the water courses and cause death and disease and politicians are bribed in to turning a blind eye or people are kicked off their land so someone more powerful can take and use what wasn't theirs until they took it. They just have to be more subtle nowadays. In a way racism just distracts from the real issues and the exploited are conned in to kicking the ones lower down the scale.
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Hello, gmc. Who is ned griffin? :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
He's the UK's answer to david duke but with a charisma bypass. He's leader of the British national party, a right wing pseudo nazi party that amongst other things wants to send immigrants home. Oscar is a member so I was having a slight dig
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gmc;1381006 wrote:
He's the UK's answer to david duke but with a charisma bypass. He's leader of the British national party, a right wing pseudo nazi party that amongst other things wants to send immigrants home. Oscar is a member so I was having a slight dig Is she ? Are you absolutely sure about that ?
He's the UK's answer to david duke but with a charisma bypass. He's leader of the British national party, a right wing pseudo nazi party that amongst other things wants to send immigrants home. Oscar is a member so I was having a slight dig Is she ? Are you absolutely sure about that ?
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gmc, to me what you are calling racism is tribalism. When the Crips & Bloods fight each other it's tribalism, not racism. Maybe my reflections are based only on the lessons taught to me here, in the states, where black people were victims of institutionalized racism. Based on this, blacks aren't, can't be, racist as they don't have the power to subjugate. As for what white European countries are facing in terms of immigrants who are people of color, well, that's the price for having empires.
Am I getting this right? ned griffin is a racist & oscar is a member of a racist party? Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
Am I getting this right? ned griffin is a racist & oscar is a member of a racist party? Mmmmmmmmmmmm.
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AnneBoleyn;1381105 wrote: gmc, to me what you are calling racism is tribalism. When the Crips & Bloods fight each other it's tribalism, not racism. Maybe my reflections are based only on the lessons taught to me here, in the states, where black people were victims of institutionalized racism. Based on this, blacks aren't, can't be, racist as they don't have the power to subjugate. As for what white European countries are facing in terms of immigrants who are people of color, well, that's the price for having empires.
I'm sorry I just can't agree with your point of view on this. To me anybody can be a racist, no matter what colour you are or the other person is.
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care.
I'm sorry I just can't agree with your point of view on this. To me anybody can be a racist, no matter what colour you are or the other person is.
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care.
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Chloe_88;1381109 wrote: I'm sorry I just can't agree with your point of view on this. To me anybody can be a racist, no matter what colour you are or the other person is.
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care.
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As I understand racist. To hate another human being because of his colour, religion, race or country of origin.
To be a racist, you must have hate.
That Is a world away from being against mass Immigration Into your country that It can not financially sustain and Is changing the demograhics of your country.
Many like to liken the far right parties to the Nazi's as a form of bait racism.
We fought against the Nazi's to stop an Invasion and tyranny. Yet, we are In the grip of a second Invasion, a silent one and the tyranny Is the political correctness that prevents us speaking out and objecting.
It Is not the people of the UK who are racist or becoming racist. When Governments allow Immigration to reach such levels where the man In the street can't get a job, when there's a million young people out of work, when you can't get a hospital appointment for months etc etc, It Is the governments who have bred the Ill feeling..... not the people.
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care.
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As I understand racist. To hate another human being because of his colour, religion, race or country of origin.
To be a racist, you must have hate.
That Is a world away from being against mass Immigration Into your country that It can not financially sustain and Is changing the demograhics of your country.
Many like to liken the far right parties to the Nazi's as a form of bait racism.
We fought against the Nazi's to stop an Invasion and tyranny. Yet, we are In the grip of a second Invasion, a silent one and the tyranny Is the political correctness that prevents us speaking out and objecting.
It Is not the people of the UK who are racist or becoming racist. When Governments allow Immigration to reach such levels where the man In the street can't get a job, when there's a million young people out of work, when you can't get a hospital appointment for months etc etc, It Is the governments who have bred the Ill feeling..... not the people.
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I have discussed racism with blacks, most blacks don't actually mind being described as black, some prefer the use of African or Black African.
There is an argument that only whites can be racist, the idea goes along the lines that......racism is a culturally sanctioned belief, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities I can't really get my head around the idea myself, but have had it explained clear enough to be understandably different from discrimination, which blacks can be as an alternative description to racist.
(Sometimes I confuse myself)
The use of words such as blackboard has nothing to do with racism, because their use does not offend many blacks, the only people it offends is the PC brigade who are over sensitive. It is the same syndrome when meeting a very fat person and words crop up that the user 'feels' might offend the fatty, I suspect we have all been in that situation. I recently asked a lady I hadn't seen for some time after she disappeared to give birth, whether she was pregnant again...............she wasn't, she was just a bit of a porker.
I wont be asking any over weight ladies that question any time soon.
There is an argument that only whites can be racist, the idea goes along the lines that......racism is a culturally sanctioned belief, which, regardless of intentions involved, defend the advantages whites have because of the subordinated position of racial minorities I can't really get my head around the idea myself, but have had it explained clear enough to be understandably different from discrimination, which blacks can be as an alternative description to racist.
(Sometimes I confuse myself)
The use of words such as blackboard has nothing to do with racism, because their use does not offend many blacks, the only people it offends is the PC brigade who are over sensitive. It is the same syndrome when meeting a very fat person and words crop up that the user 'feels' might offend the fatty, I suspect we have all been in that situation. I recently asked a lady I hadn't seen for some time after she disappeared to give birth, whether she was pregnant again...............she wasn't, she was just a bit of a porker.
I wont be asking any over weight ladies that question any time soon.
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Chloe_88;1381109 wrote: I'm sorry I just can't agree with your point of view on this. To me anybody can be a racist, no matter what colour you are or the other person is.
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
White people haven't been stripped from their family's(To be specific children being stripped from their parents and sold) to only be raped, tortured, humiliated and ultimately murdered only to grow through a society that while slavery had been abolished what followed was just as horrendous in treating them like they were less than dog's let alone human. These people fought and died for this country in WWII only to come home to be denied access to apple pie and a convenient toilet so they might not soil themselves.
As far as I'm concerned anyone that isn't readily willing to do what it takes to ensure not another person is racially discriminated against is missing a much bigger picture.
It might be easy for white people to claim everything is over and racism is all but defeated but to do that is another step backward on a timeline that has seen slavery and racism exist since the dawn of humanity.
Chloe_88;1381109 wrote: But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care. My point is, if people didn't still continue to call people black(Perhaps I can fetch a video of a Presidential candidate describing a group of people by the color of their skin) or whatever color then you would find that these expressions you'd like to hold on to wouldn't be so threatened. The fact is that racism is still very prevalent and therefore being politically correct is about as much as you could do to stop it.
People don't refer to white's as being white unless there's another group nearby but for instance people of African descent are called "black" every day, and yet we have no problem seeing them off to war to fight for us still...Perhaps "fellow countrymen" might be the better choice of vocabulary no?
In these over politically correct times (not being aloud to sing "baa baa black sheep" or say black board) I think (don't get me wrong) that "white" people are in a way forced to be submissive to anyone with colour.
We must change our language, nursery rhymes, names for certain foods etc. etc. because it might offend somebody. But we can still call it a whiteboard or a white sheep, it's taking it to an extreme nowadays. And how can a black sheep be offensive but a white sheep is not? Alot of "white" people are frightened to use words like "black" or whatever because you might be seen as a racist.
And you wouldn't even dare to complain about the neighbours loud music at 3 am because if you'd call the police you are a racist. And all of this because of being over politically correct. And I think this is whats pissing alot of people off and thats when people can start to dislike certain groups of people because of constant fear of: OMG I might say someting that in their eyes is racist but also being tired of the fact of constantly having to adapt.
White people haven't been stripped from their family's(To be specific children being stripped from their parents and sold) to only be raped, tortured, humiliated and ultimately murdered only to grow through a society that while slavery had been abolished what followed was just as horrendous in treating them like they were less than dog's let alone human. These people fought and died for this country in WWII only to come home to be denied access to apple pie and a convenient toilet so they might not soil themselves.
As far as I'm concerned anyone that isn't readily willing to do what it takes to ensure not another person is racially discriminated against is missing a much bigger picture.
It might be easy for white people to claim everything is over and racism is all but defeated but to do that is another step backward on a timeline that has seen slavery and racism exist since the dawn of humanity.
Chloe_88;1381109 wrote: But back to my point: It works both ways. Judging a person on their colour is wrong and racist even if you are white, black, asian or Mr Blobby for all I care. My point is, if people didn't still continue to call people black(Perhaps I can fetch a video of a Presidential candidate describing a group of people by the color of their skin) or whatever color then you would find that these expressions you'd like to hold on to wouldn't be so threatened. The fact is that racism is still very prevalent and therefore being politically correct is about as much as you could do to stop it.
People don't refer to white's as being white unless there's another group nearby but for instance people of African descent are called "black" every day, and yet we have no problem seeing them off to war to fight for us still...Perhaps "fellow countrymen" might be the better choice of vocabulary no?
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AnneBoleyn;1380976 wrote: Judging someone on their colour, or religion is PREJUDICE, not racism! Sorry, really, to be such a stickler for terms, but when dealing with law & laws & lawyers it becomes important. OK, maybe it's just my particular Prejudice!!!!!!!!!!!! : ) No, really, that's the definitions & I'm still sorry I'm being so anal about it!
Fine being a stickler for terms if the terms are universal, this is an international site with a multinational membership and you are insisting on US legal definitions - not useful.
Fine being a stickler for terms if the terms are universal, this is an international site with a multinational membership and you are insisting on US legal definitions - not useful.
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K.Snyder;1381134 wrote: White people haven't been stripped from their family's(To be specific children being stripped from their parents and sold) to only be raped, tortured, humiliated and ultimately murdered only to grow through a society that while slavery had been abolished what followed was just as horrendous in treating them like they were less than dog's let alone human. These people fought and died for this country in WWII only to come home to be denied access to apple pie and a convenient toilet so they might not soil themselves.
As far as I'm concerned anyone that isn't readily willing to do what it takes to ensure not another person is racially discriminated against is missing a much bigger picture.
Yes, real bad **** has happend to them in (recent) history and no we should not forget but learn from this. The solution is not by being over politically correct. The solution is to treat everybody as equal. Like you said: fellow countrymen instead of calling them something else.
Real bad **** has also happend to other groups in WWII, alot of other "groups" of people fought along side, together.
K.Snyder;1381134 wrote: It might be easy for white people to claim everything is over and racism is all but defeated but to do that is another step backward on a timeline that has seen slavery and racism exist since the dawn of humanity.
My point is, if people didn't still continue to call people black(Perhaps I can fetch a video of a Presidential candidate describing a group of people by the color of their skin) or whatever color then you would find that these expressions you'd like to hold on to wouldn't be so threatened. The fact is that racism is still very prevalent and therefore being politically correct is about as much as you could do to stop it.
People don't refer to white's as being white unless there's another group nearby but for instance people of African descent are called "black" every day, and yet we have no problem seeing them off to war to fight for us still...Perhaps "fellow countrymen" might be the better choice of vocabulary no?
And no racism is not over, gone and forgotten (to whichever group)
I'd like to say I used the terms black, white, asian and mr blobby to make a clear point. I do not call my best friend, brother in law or my colleagues; asian, black or muslim. They are my friends, brother in law and my colleagues just as equal as anybody else. And again i think racism can't be solved by being over politically correct
As far as I'm concerned anyone that isn't readily willing to do what it takes to ensure not another person is racially discriminated against is missing a much bigger picture.
Yes, real bad **** has happend to them in (recent) history and no we should not forget but learn from this. The solution is not by being over politically correct. The solution is to treat everybody as equal. Like you said: fellow countrymen instead of calling them something else.
Real bad **** has also happend to other groups in WWII, alot of other "groups" of people fought along side, together.
K.Snyder;1381134 wrote: It might be easy for white people to claim everything is over and racism is all but defeated but to do that is another step backward on a timeline that has seen slavery and racism exist since the dawn of humanity.
My point is, if people didn't still continue to call people black(Perhaps I can fetch a video of a Presidential candidate describing a group of people by the color of their skin) or whatever color then you would find that these expressions you'd like to hold on to wouldn't be so threatened. The fact is that racism is still very prevalent and therefore being politically correct is about as much as you could do to stop it.
People don't refer to white's as being white unless there's another group nearby but for instance people of African descent are called "black" every day, and yet we have no problem seeing them off to war to fight for us still...Perhaps "fellow countrymen" might be the better choice of vocabulary no?
And no racism is not over, gone and forgotten (to whichever group)
I'd like to say I used the terms black, white, asian and mr blobby to make a clear point. I do not call my best friend, brother in law or my colleagues; asian, black or muslim. They are my friends, brother in law and my colleagues just as equal as anybody else. And again i think racism can't be solved by being over politically correct
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Why this over sensitivity of calling people what they are?
Chloe_88 you don't call your best friend, brother in law or colleagues by their racial definition, because you KNOW their names.
You might at sometime, when relating a story to another person who is unsure of your best friend's, brother in law's, or your work colleague's name, you may have to say "That black/white/asian guy I work with" so they know who you are talking about, don't be embarrassed about it, you aren't embarrassed when you talk of the tall or ginger guy are you ?
Chloe_88 you don't call your best friend, brother in law or colleagues by their racial definition, because you KNOW their names.
You might at sometime, when relating a story to another person who is unsure of your best friend's, brother in law's, or your work colleague's name, you may have to say "That black/white/asian guy I work with" so they know who you are talking about, don't be embarrassed about it, you aren't embarrassed when you talk of the tall or ginger guy are you ?
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Fine being a stickler for terms if the terms are universal, this is an international site with a multinational membership and you are insisting on US legal definitions - not useful.
You are right Bryn, I will remember to keep that in mind.
You are right Bryn, I will remember to keep that in mind.
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Bruv;1381208 wrote: Why this over sensitivity of calling people what they are?
Chloe_88 you don't call your best friend, brother in law or colleagues by their racial definition, because you KNOW their names.
You might at sometime, when relating a story to another person who is unsure of your best friend's, brother in law's, or your work colleague's name, you may have to say "That black/white/asian guy I work with" so they know who you are talking about, don't be embarrassed about it, you aren't embarrassed when you talk of the tall or ginger guy are you ?
I agree I know their names. But I don't think (when walking down a street) o look a black guy.. my thoughts are o look a man walking down the street. So no i'm not embarrassed, colour is just not the first thing that pops into my mind.. But Yes if i had to describe what my brother in law looks like to someone at work for instance i would say he's from africa, black, very tall man etc. etc.
Chloe_88 you don't call your best friend, brother in law or colleagues by their racial definition, because you KNOW their names.
You might at sometime, when relating a story to another person who is unsure of your best friend's, brother in law's, or your work colleague's name, you may have to say "That black/white/asian guy I work with" so they know who you are talking about, don't be embarrassed about it, you aren't embarrassed when you talk of the tall or ginger guy are you ?
I agree I know their names. But I don't think (when walking down a street) o look a black guy.. my thoughts are o look a man walking down the street. So no i'm not embarrassed, colour is just not the first thing that pops into my mind.. But Yes if i had to describe what my brother in law looks like to someone at work for instance i would say he's from africa, black, very tall man etc. etc.
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Chloe_88;1381276 wrote: I agree I know their names. But I don't think (when walking down a street) o look a black guy.. my thoughts are o look a man walking down the street. So no i'm not embarrassed, colour is just not the first thing that pops into my mind.. But Yes if i had to describe what my brother in law looks like to someone at work for instance i would say he's from africa, black, very tall man etc. etc.As does alot of people including myself at times when I'm in a hurry, but I will say in my defense that I try every time to say something other than "black" or "the big girl with the tub of ice cream".
But when I look at attempting to describe a white fellow my reactions come no where near using the word "white", in fact it's probably the last thing I'd say and even then may refuse to do so based on the fact I'd probably make things all the more confusing. So perhaps what we can do is delude any potential insult as much as possible by settling on terms like "big nose", "balding" or "the gentlemen with feet the size of a longboat".
I suppose my point being that we're not being politically incorrect when describing a martian as being red, we're being politically incorrect when we're not describing a white man as being "white" when attempting to describe another person by the color of their skin which is nothing more than a form of ignorance left behind by the injustices of greedy sleezeballs that live for money.
Perhaps all of this doesn't make sense but I suppose that's my demon.
But when I look at attempting to describe a white fellow my reactions come no where near using the word "white", in fact it's probably the last thing I'd say and even then may refuse to do so based on the fact I'd probably make things all the more confusing. So perhaps what we can do is delude any potential insult as much as possible by settling on terms like "big nose", "balding" or "the gentlemen with feet the size of a longboat".
I suppose my point being that we're not being politically incorrect when describing a martian as being red, we're being politically incorrect when we're not describing a white man as being "white" when attempting to describe another person by the color of their skin which is nothing more than a form of ignorance left behind by the injustices of greedy sleezeballs that live for money.
Perhaps all of this doesn't make sense but I suppose that's my demon.