Keep your cat In

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:30 am

'Cat coursing': Cats snatched from streets by gangs whose dogs tear them to pieces | Mail Online

Don't read this link If you are sensitive about animal cruelty.

The growing trend of Illegal dog fighting continue's In Britain and something we have been campaigning about.

Cats get snatched off the street to be used as 'bait' to train fighting dogs.

While this continue's, I urge you to know where your cat Is and take responsibility for them. Although they can be snatched during the day, these cowards often operate at night so please get your cat In and keep him In at night.

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:45 am

That's what it takes to keep cats restrained indoors rather than allowed to roam outside, killing wild birds and small mammals?

If you find a charity collecting on behalf of cat coursers, let me know.

Out of interest, in what sense are you using the word "coward" and on what evidence?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:49 am

Asian gangs behind soaring cases of dog-fighting in Midlands - Sunday Mercury

'15 cats stolen in Blackburn for dog-baiting fights' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Animal Abuse: Dogs being stolen for dog-fighting bait dogs - Ulster, NI | Pet-Abuse.Com Animal Cruelty Database

RSPCA Macclesfield SE Cheshire & Buxton Branch

Gumtree • View topic - warning to anyone trying to rehome a dog

Are lost Brighton cats being used as bait? (From The Argus)

Men jailed over dog fighting (From Witney Gazette)

Dog Fighting in Britain: The Shocking Reality

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Dog-Fighting Undercover

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Dog-Fighting Undercover

I could sit here all day loading links but that's enough for you to be going on with.

You have no arguement......... Cats kill birds out of an Inbuilt Instinct....... Taking someone's pet and using It as live bait Is COWARDLY...

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:49 am

Asian gangs behind soaring cases of dog-fighting in Midlands - Sunday Mercury

'15 cats stolen in Blackburn for dog-baiting fights' (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Animal Abuse: Dogs being stolen for dog-fighting bait dogs - Ulster, NI | Pet-Abuse.Com Animal Cruelty Database

RSPCA Macclesfield SE Cheshire & Buxton Branch

Gumtree • View topic - warning to anyone trying to rehome a dog

Are lost Brighton cats being used as bait? (From The Argus)

Men jailed over dog fighting (From Witney Gazette)

Dog Fighting in Britain: The Shocking Reality

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Dog-Fighting Undercover

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | Dog-Fighting Undercover

I could sit here all day loading links but that's enough for you to be going on with.

You have no arguement......... Cats kill birds out of an Inbuilt Instinct....... Taking someone's pet and using It as live bait Is COWARDLY...

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:36 am

My two mogs are indoor moggies anyway. They are loved and valued companions. They happily catch the occasional mouse to drop at my feet as a present,(usually still alive and savable) and cheerfully 'catch' the pigeons (actually it is leaves but we dont tell them) hanging on the windowsill. The thought of anyone treating them or any animal cruelly breaks my heart. From white baby harp seals to foxes, it shows the baser ugly nature of man. I would like to think there is a special place in hell for those who use smaller and more helpless things cruelly.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:53 am

Would it be equally wrong to genetically engineer via controlled cross breeding to create human babies who never mature past the age of 3 years, deny them the ability to reproduce and alter their natural ability of hormonal activity, simply to please existing adult's emotional needs?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:03 am

Ahso!;1376547 wrote: Would it be equally wrong to genetically engineer via controlled cross breeding to create human babies who never mature past the age of 3 years, deny them the ability to reproduce and alter their natural ability of hormonal activity, simply to please existing adult's emotional needs?

They wouldnt be human then.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:04 am

why not?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:05 am

Can we keep this thread on topic?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:08 am

oscar;1376551 wrote: Can we keep this thread on topic?It is, we're working out the definition of 'abuse'.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:12 am

Ahso!;1376554 wrote: It is, we're working out the definition of 'abuse'. Abuse can cover all manner of topics from wife beating to child abuse... This Is about pets being used as bait for the growing trend of Illegal dog fighting In the UK.

If you want to deviate then start your own thread.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:15 am

oscar;1376555 wrote: Abuse can cover all manner of topics from wife beating to child abuse... This Is about pets being used as bait for the growing trend of Illegal dog fighting In the UK.

If you want to deviate then start your own thread.It's all animal abuse. Humans are animals too.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:18 am

Ahso!;1376556 wrote: It's all animal abuse. Humans are animals too. Ignore

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:20 am

Ahso!;1376547 wrote: Would it be equally wrong to genetically engineer via controlled cross breeding to create human babies who never mature past the age of 3 years, deny them the ability to reproduce and alter their natural ability of hormonal activity, simply to please existing adult's emotional needs?

Anything that is of no use to us or is perceived as a threat we wipe out. That's why there are n wolves left in the UK. Dogs survive because we have a use for them as do sheep and cows. You may not like that use dogs are put to or find it odd but the alternative is the extermination of all dogs because we have no use for them. In the wild dogs or wolves very rarely fight to the death they fight for dominance and the loser backs down or runs away. You have to train them to be that aggressive. Don't tell me you actually approve of dog fighting?

Would it be equally wrong to genetically engineer via controlled cross breeding to create human babies who never mature past the age of 3 years

Humans are quite capable of doing that and finding a moral justification for it just as they can find moral justification for just about anything. Some people cut bits of their babies to prove their belief in god and defend the practice as sacred. Was there some profound point you are trying to make?

posted by spot

That's what it takes to keep cats restrained indoors rather than allowed to roam outside, killing wild birds and small mammals?

If you find a charity collecting on behalf of cat coursers, let me know.

Out of interest, in what sense are you using the word "coward" and on what evidence?

Stop feeding the birds and that way they will not be congregated and so easy to kill. I'm surprised and disappointed you condone dog fighting.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:22 am

oscar;1376557 wrote: IgnoreOkay.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 8:29 am

gmc;1376558 wrote: Anything that is of no use to us or is perceived as a threat we wipe out. That's why there are n wolves left in the UK. Dogs survive because we have a use for them as do sheep and cows. You may not like that use dogs are put to or find it odd but the alternative is the extermination of all dogs because we have no use for them. In the wild dogs or wolves very rarely fight to the death they fight for dominance and the loser backs down or runs away. You have to train them to be that aggressive. Don't tell me you actually approve of dog fighting?

Humans are quite capable of doing that and finding a moral justification for it just as they can find moral justification for just about anything. Some people cut bits of their babies to prove their belief in god and defend the practice as sacred. Was there some profound point you are trying to make?

posted by spot

Stop feeding the birds and that way they will not be congregated and so easy to kill. I'm surprised and disappointed you condone dog fighting.I believe you may misunderstand my point.

tabby · Post by **tabby** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:31 am

I don't think the individuals involved in dog fighting rings stop with cats. It's my understanding that they also steal puppies and dogs for baiting purposes.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:42 am

tabby;1376567 wrote: I don't think the individuals involved in dog fighting rings stop with cats. It's my understanding that they also steal puppies and dogs for baiting purposes.
You're right Tabby and It's why no-one should ever advertise puppies and kittens as 'free to a good home'. These people scour the newspapers for the ads.

There are animal charities here In the UK that are seeing more and more horribly Injured puppies being brought to them that somehow survived the ordeal. For the disbelievers, there are many many examples on you tube of this but too graphic to show here. Just put ' bait puppies' Into your search engine If you want to see It.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:50 am

I bought this book after It was featured In the Daily Mail.

New book tells the story of Oogy, rescued bait dog with an inspiring tale - latimes.com

It's about Oogie the bait puppy who was horribly Injured but survived and was deformed. It's a wonderful read and heartwarming story of how this family nursed him 24/7 and gave him his life back... I recommend this book

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:31 am

oscar;1376540 wrote: Taking someone's pet and using It as live bait Is COWARDLY...No oscar. It may be heartless and criminal but cowardly relates to entirely different behaviours. It's a grossly misused word.

I hope you manage to persuade every cat owner in England to keep their pet indoors away from this potential theft you've identified. I hope no cat is ever stolen. If I can put up posters publicizing the risk do let me know, I'll be delighted.

Post by **spot** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:35 am

gmc;1376558 wrote: I'm surprised and disappointed you condone dog fighting.I don't. I'm delighted to discover a threat sufficient to keep domesticated cats away from wild animals.

The recommendation for bird tables and feeders by the RSPB is to keep them at least two metres from overhanging branches or walls that could provide a cat with a launchpad. Cat-proof bird feeders and feeding tables are standard.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:53 am

spot;1376578 wrote: I don't. I'm delighted to discover a threat sufficient to keep domesticated cats away from wild animals.

The recommendation for bird tables and feeders by the RSPB is to keep them at least two metres from overhanging branches or walls that could provide a cat with a launchpad. Cat-proof bird feeders and feeding tables are standard. Added to this, all cat owners to fit a loud bell via a collar on the cats.

Post by **Chloe_88** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:44 am

I don't let my cats out anyway. they are like my babies and you wouldn't let a baby out on the street alone.

People don't find it acceptable when a dog roams the streets.. so why should it be acceptable to let cats roam the streets.. It wouldn't be acceptable if I let my black mamba roam the street now would it.

Anyway back on topic any pet out on the streets should not be taken for baiting, it's just wrong. Stealing anybody's animal for whatever purpose is wrong.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:37 pm

Ahso!;1376562 wrote: I believe you may misunderstand my point.

Yes I did that's why i asked.

Was there some profound point you are trying to make?