The Occupy Wall Street Movement

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:29 pm

This movement like many with a good purpose also unfortunately attracts some unsavory folk that will join in ANY demonstration and haven't a clue about what the movement is about.

Breitbart.tv » Caught On Video: #Occupy Protester Defecates In Public Street

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:48 pm

No question there are going to be a certain percentage of people who make poor decisions, but considering the time and size this movement had grown to, it appears to be a very small percentage at that. I have no doubt that certain people have tried to sabotage this effort too.

Much of this criticism on the part of officials is mostly bullsh!t. People die of drug overdoses, and are shot everyday, everywhere, we should close everything down by this mindset. Next time a person has the need to go to the bathroom and cannot get to a commode in time when in Macy's, then shut down Macy's, right?

It's coming up on thanksgiving and America wants to put on it's happy face, that's all there is to this crap.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:05 pm

Why don't they form some kind of real movement and become an actual force? Ya know, like any other political force. I can only imagine because they lack the brains to get out of the rain.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:25 pm

librtyhead;1375816 wrote: Why don't they form some kind of real movement and become an actual force? Ya know, like any other political force. I can only imagine because they lack the brains to get out of the rain.
You don't think they're a force? Aren't they spurring debate? IMO, one of the things that killed the TEA Party movement was the infiltration of "organizers" that stole the name and turned it into a Repub brand.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:34 pm

So all this ........the whole movement (it's not a movement anyway) is all about some guy deficating in a street now is it? HHmmmmm and how do you know he wasn't planted there in the first place ?

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:34 pm

Everyone was already "thinking" these hooligans are more like the 1% in fact they are more like the .00025% they have turned peaceful protest into "shantytown" a magnet for losers.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:36 pm

librtyhead;1375816 wrote: Why don't they form some kind of real movement and become an actual force? Ya know, like any other political force. I can only imagine because they lack the brains to get out of the rain.

that's because it's not a political movement ...it's not about politics nor bringing down a government . It's about a whole lotta pissed off human beings .

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:37 pm

librtyhead;1375825 wrote: Everyone was already "thinking" these hooligans are more like the 1% in fact they are more like the .00025% they have turned peaceful protest into "shantytown" a magnet for losers.

aaawwwhhhh Ya scared? toughen up sunshine.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:49 pm

Heh...........not scared just amazed at what happens when ignorance hits stupidity. It smartens people up and they then go out and actually work for what they want, looking back they say remember when we broke the law and stayed in the park where even homeless people were not allowed to stay? Wow........I'm glad thats over!

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:57 pm

It's not over by a long shot .......................in fact it's just beginning .

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:02 pm

Yeah.......after it stops snowing then we will see whats what. Those parks will be covered in tarps and the tee shirt sales will fund the uprising. (once they are trademarked)

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:18 pm

Again the the level of criminality and danger associated with the protests are by far more severe than any Tea Party rally. This cannot be denied. Who here is the more intelligent or the most civilized throughout the comparison? And who will have the most sway. I would suggest the OWS embrace the Tea party movements coatails and together fight for less government and more freedom. But that might be to smart a move, in that fact alone I know it will not happen. Besides these OWS people are very, very lazy.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:34 pm

librtyhead;1375837 wrote: Again the the level of criminality and danger associated with the protests are by far more severe than any Tea Party rally. This cannot be denied. Who here is the more intelligent or the most civilized throughout the comparison? And who will have the most sway. I would suggest the OWS embrace the Tea party movements coatails and together fight for less government and more freedom. But that might be to smart a move, in that fact alone I know it will not happen. Besides these OWS people are very, very lazy.
Lazy people stay indoors.

It seems your problem seems to be that these people reject tradition - the very tradition that castrated the TEA Party - and refuse to play by Republicrat rules.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:54 pm

Accountable;1375838 wrote: Lazy people stay indoors.

It seems your problem seems to be that these people reject tradition - the very tradition that castrated the TEA Party - and refuse to play by Republicrat rules.

Tradition is what keeps sane people sane. The Democrates have some good ideas and I refuse to change their political pronunciation with a non correct spelling towards the good works they have done. You may revert towards intentional mis spellings in order to feel smug but that does not change a thing. The OWS crowd has gone beyond the limits of a civilized society to push an agenda that not a one of them can actually pinpoint.

They have demonized the wrong villain in all truth in that which the laws have produced.

The Tea party has not been castrated the American people have.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:07 pm

librtyhead;1375839 wrote: Tradition is what keeps sane people sane. The Democrates have some good ideas and I refuse to change their political pronunciation with a non correct spelling towards the good works they have done. You may revert towards intentional mis spellings in order to feel smug but that does not change a thing. The OWS crowd has gone beyond the limits of a civilized society to push an agenda that not a one of them can actually pinpoint.

They have demonized the wrong villain in all truth in that which the laws have produced.

The Tea party has not been castrated the American people have.Um ... when you criticize someone for spelling, you oughta check your own.

ijs

Anywho, I spell Republicrats the way I do because there is no appreciable difference between the two major parties, and I want to drive that point home every time I bring them into conversation.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:21 pm

To me the pubs and dems are the same, most on both sides are so afraid of actually having to work outside the political box they will say or do anything to stay in it. Very frustrating.

The OWS people seem to me to be pawns in a bigger game, I just get that feeling.

And yes I do not spell check and sometimes type as it does come out without as much thought towards perfection.

librtyhead · Post by **librtyhead** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:35 pm

Accountable;1375840 wrote: Um ... when you criticize someone for spelling, you oughta check your own.

ijs

Anywho, I spell Republicrats the way I do because there is no appreciable difference between the two major parties, and I want to drive that point home every time I bring them into conversation.

Oh come now...... thats ravishing sweet nothings in a wet frogs ear. :wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:28 am

When the political system stops working and ordinary people feel they can't make themselves heard and political leaders believe they can safely ignore the people they start taking to the streets and rebelling. That's what happened in Tunisia and egypt and now in Syria, the one in Bahrain was crushed by the saudis the one in Lybya - well they have oil don't they so nuff said. People who protest are not necessarily the unemployed and the wasters maybe you shouldn't believe all that you hear in a mainstream media owned by those who have a vested interest in stopping discussion. When armed police go in and break up a demonstration in Syria or Lebanon that is bad - it's equally bad in the US is it not? So long as the rich corporations can buy elections it's really no different from living in a feudal society they don't have to listen to the peasants. Except they can only buy elections if you let them away with it.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:02 am

librtyhead;1375843 wrote: Oh come now...... thats ravishing sweet nothings in a wet frogs ear. :wah::yh_rotfl I don't know what that means, but it sure sounds funny!

librtyhead;1375842 wrote: To me the pubs and dems are the same, most on both sides are so afraid of actually having to work outside the political box they will say or do anything to stay in it. Very frustrating.

The OWS people seem to me to be pawns in a bigger game, I just get that feeling.

And yes I do not spell check and sometimes type as it does come out without as much thought towards perfection.
I'm sure people will use them as pawns, just as the repubs used the Tea Party people. It's the debate that's important. America's like that damn dog in the movie UP. We're distracted by the newest moving object (Squirrel!). I'm glad we're being distracted by real issues about the role of government rather than marital affairs or whether Mormonism is a cult.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:40 am

I'm very impressed with librtyhead's knowledge that every single person marching in the OWS demonstrations is uncivilized and unintelligent. That shows a degree of omniscience that hasn't been around since... oh, I don't know... Jesus? Could this be the second coming?

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:55 pm

Just take a look at what happened in Melbourne during their protests. the Lord Mayor will never be forgiven and we have a new police commissioner from it. Bringing in riot police to a peaceful legal demonstration/protest with police baiting, shoving, assaulting people, who i may add.....have jobs, homes, children in school, uni students who pay their way, students from high schools, mums and dads and grannys. My country is suffering because some arsehole overseas thinks he can rule the world and thinks the rest of us are his plebs and slaves . The people of the western world have been lied to and co erced into believing things that just doesn't exsist. They are angry and will continue to be angry until something changes.

The people are rising and the Unions are rising up again. Watch as the new terrorism laws come into play on normal everyday citizens .......that's when we will be very very angry . So libertyhead keep up your rhetoric cause it will be fun to wath you go down with the rest of the barstards.

Just as a side note did you americans know that since 1980's 1990's Australian wages have gone up 30% and the American base wage hasn't moved? You see when the big guys make money they are supposed to put back into the national kitty so everyone gets a fair share of profits . The big companies are made to do that here . In America it hasn't been done since the early nineties (thanks to Reagan and those who came after) The big guys are starving the average American out and you've seen what happens now when greed ends up destroying normal human beings who ahve been told all along that they are lucky and live in the best country in the world . Sorry guys for the bad news.

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:55 pm

I'm going to bypass lib-no"e"-rty as a frightened of anarchists sycophant and pretend none of the above just happened. We've seen all kinds of tactics featuring the mentally ill and illiterate as the voices of OWS to pretending that a few addicts who have died would not have done so if the movement hadn't been there.

This movement doesn't need to have a single voice or a single issue. If they did it would be silenced quickly. This is a movement of change. It's horizontal. They can be evicted in one form but the idea is bulletproof. Things must change. People have just remembered where power comes from and they aren't giving it up anymore.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:37 pm

Do the Cabadian press carry much about the oil sands development in alberta?

koan · Post by **koan** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:57 pm

It's becoming a bigger issue because of the US protests against the pipeline. There has been ecological protesting against it for some time but they didn't gain momentum so they became background noise. If they time it right they can use the pipeline attention to regain momentum.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:05 pm

koan;1376769 wrote: It's becoming a bigger issue because of the US protests against the pipeline. There has been ecological protesting against it for some time but they didn't gain momentum so they became background noise. If they time it right they can use the pipeline attention to regain momentum.

I haven't heard any big news of the N.E.S.A.R.A that would be right up there alley right?

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:20 am

protests against the Keystone XL pipeline garnered enough people to encircle the White House with arms linked. As a result, US gov't stalled a decision in favour of more inquiries into the environmental impact and Canada reacted to the delay by threatening to sell more oil to Asia and expanded their interest in rerouting the pipeline around a watershed in the US. I believe Harper et al are hoping to turn Canada into a more toxic version of Saudi Arabia.

Naomi Klein on Environmental Victory: Obama Delays Keystone XL Oil Pipeline Decision Until 2013

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:02 am

What puzzles me is why canadians are not up in arms about it. It has little benefit for them, lots for the oil companies. Norway and shetland are good examples of how to get the most out of oil companies.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:42 am

I googled Occupy San Antonio and found that we've had protesters here for 2 months. Though we're the 7th largest city in America, we're still kinda small town folk and tend not to stir up too much fuss I guess. Anyway, I went down there .

I didn't take many pictures because most of the people were napping in the afternoon sun. The people that I did meet were a real eclectic group of liberals, TEA Partiers, libertarians, even a communist. We talked for awhile & decided that we had much in common, surprisingly. Here's the pamphlet-ette they hand out:

We all agreed that the only presidential candidate that came close to these goals & values was Ron Paul.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:19 am

Occupy Edinburgh are hiding in their tents out of the rain.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:25 am

Accountable;1376794 wrote: I googled Occupy San Antonio and found that we've had protesters here for 2 months. Though we're the 7th largest city in America, we're still kinda small town folk and tend not to stir up too much fuss I guess. Anyway, I went down there .

I didn't take many pictures because most of the people were napping in the afternoon sun. The people that I did meet were a real eclectic group of liberals, TEA Partiers, libertarians, even a communist. We talked for awhile & decided that we had much in common, surprisingly. Here's the pamphlet-ette they hand out:

We all agreed that the only presidential candidate that came close to these goals & values was Ron Paul.

A few months ago, the base warned us in a mass email to stay away from demonstrations in SLC since they were being held by 'radicals' with a high chance of violence. Great, huh?

koan · Post by **koan** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:15 pm

gmc;1376787 wrote: What puzzles me is why canadians are not up in arms about it. It has little benefit for them, lots for the oil companies. Norway and shetland are good examples of how to get the most out of oil companies.

I think it's because the Alberta residents get a check from the provincial gov't and pay no taxes because of the oil revenues. They look at the other provinces and think "hmmm, I'm sure glad I'm not like them."

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:47 pm

SnoozeAgain;1376800 wrote: A few months ago, the base warned us in a mass email to stay away from demonstrations in SLC since they were being held by 'radicals' with a high chance of violence. Great, huh?
Violent Mormons?? Isn't that like an oxymoron?

Go. Visit them. Just don't go there on your bicycle wearing a white shirt & you should be fine.

Snooz · Post by **Snooz** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:05 pm

Found something about it in a local news outlet:

Add Hill Air Force Base to the list of alarmists spreading sensational misinformation about the Occupy Wall Street protesters who have exercised their constitutional right by peacefully assembling at Pioneer Park in Salt Lake City.

An email to Hill employees was sent out last week by Ray Ross, director of security for the Defense Logistics Agency at the base.

It passed on information purportedly from the government’s Joint Terrorism Task Force and said the protesters have “a desire to destroy the government.”

The email added: “The local FBI Office believes this to be a left wing extremist group and anticipates some incidents of cars being rolled and rocks being thrown through windows.”

But Debbie Dujanovic Bertram, spokeswoman for the Salt Lake City office of the FBI, says that isn’t true.

“That didn’t come from us,” she said, noting that one news organization that saw the email erroneously reported the warning was from the FBI. Once notified, the news organization removed the story from its website.

A warning accompanying the email says it is anti-terrorism sensitive information, is immune from mandatory disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act and “should not be released to unauthorized persons.”

But once the email was sent out to Hill employees, many passed it on to people on their email lists, with some of those recipients telling me they were appalled at the propaganda being launched against the peaceful protesters.

Rolly: Occupy Wall Street paranoia gets out of hand | The Salt Lake Tribune

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 2:53 am

At least people can now use the internet to find out more for themselves rather than just have to believe what they are told in the mainstream media. That silent protest at Berkeley is very effective I think you might see more of that kind of protest.

koan · Post by **koan** » Fri Nov 25, 2011 12:09 pm

Today's Democracy Now broadcast aired a panel discussion sponsered by The Nation discussing the future of the Occupy movement. I thought they covered a lot of ground.

Warning, Michael Moore dissolves into insane giggling a few times... just wait it out.

Occupy Everywhere: Michael Moore, Naomi Klein on Next Steps for the Movement Against Corporate Power