Is God Real?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:26 pm

Quess what; Even if you cannot find yourself understanding that God is Real, its still your destiny to understand that. Why? Because its Gods desire for you to know he is real;

But perhaps just not today.

And I want to go into the possibility that some may never understsand that God is real, in this life!

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:47 pm

Mickiel;1373022 wrote: Quess what; Even if you cannot find yourself understanding that God is Real, its still your destiny to understand that. Why? Because its Gods desire for you to know he is real;

But perhaps just not today.

And I want to go into the possibility that some may never understsand that God is real, in this life!
You nor anyone else can tell me what GOD wants me to understand when a GOD does tell me what that GOD wants me to understand that will be the revelation to me on the realness of GOD will it be your GOD maybe maybe not that is if there is something that resembles that what we collectively can agree is a physical manifestation of a GOD

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:11 am

God has a great plan on " Power-showing" humanity that he is real; meaning hes going to do it in a very powerful manner.

In Revelations 1:7 " Behold, he is comming with the clouds and EVERY eye shall see him!" Every single human is destined to eventually know that God is real.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:47 pm

Mickiel;1373104 wrote: God has a great plan on " Power-showing" humanity that he is real; meaning hes going to do it in a very powerful manner.

In Revelations 1:7 " Behold, he is comming with the clouds and EVERY eye shall see him!" Every single human is destined to eventually know that God is real.

Again it is labled Revelations but by the definition of Revelation it can not be a revelation to anyone except for the person(S) who were there for the information to be revealed to in the case of this " " GOD " " that the bible speaks of the revelation is only ever to one person.

These ideals such as God, Love, Honesty, Loyalty, Good, Moral are all words symbolizing something humans use to have a better understanding of what their actions mean. So the actions a person takes to show that this GOD or that GOD is real is the energy that is the output for the reality of that god to even begin to take a mental manifestation in peoples minds. So it is not weather the GOD is real or not it is what that person's actions are to physically generating energy to be able to form the abstract ideal of god. So far the big players in it Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Budhism all trade of followers by which one is in the right by as seen by GOD except budhism where there is no god, but like the others usually the best way to go about it is to follow the "Golden Rule" not the ten commandments, or sharia law, but as both Jesus and Siddhartha Gautama were avid about "the golden rule, karma, turn the other cheek, Yin-Yang". Why don't you get in to that. Get in to something that people can do to better their-selves, their friends, their community, the world. You could get "in to that", but instead you spout all this B.S about how this or that is proof of a Judeo-Christian God, where in reality this or that are collections of energy emitted by the physical actions of people following the "golden rule" which doesn't require the belief in the reality of any GOD to follow.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:35 pm

In Romans 5:6;" For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." So God took care of that.

Its hard to reconize that God is real while we are helpless and confused; but take your time in your search for God; its already taken care of. You have all your life to examine his realness.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:11 pm

Mickiel;1373276 wrote: In Romans 5:6;" For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." So God took care of that.

Its hard to reconize that God is real while we are helpless and confused; but take your time in your search for God; its already taken care of. You have all your life to examine his realness.
Nope I am examining my realness instead.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:25 am

In Matt. 13:14-15 Jesus repeats a prophecy from Isaiah;" You will keep on hearing but not understand; and you will keep on seeing but willnot perceive. For the heart of the people has become dull." This type of mindset will keep anyone from seeing that God is Real. Its really just blindness to realizing God. You can't focus on him. You start listening to others who are blind and Dull and void of God. These are part of the forces who seek to put out a " Smoldering Wick" that is curious of God.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:55 pm

Mickiel;1373310 wrote: In Matt. 13:14-15 Jesus repeats a prophecy from Isaiah;" You will keep on hearing but not understand; and you will keep on seeing but willnot perceive. For the heart of the people has become dull." This type of mindset will keep anyone from seeing that God is Real. Its really just blindness to realizing God. You can't focus on him. You start listening to others who are blind and Dull and void of God. These are part of the forces who seek to put out a " Smoldering Wick" that is curious of God.
Well yeah any time a human is trying to understand something GOD like it will be curious though I see it pointless to try to understand such things before you understand yourself and those around you.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:00 am

Mickiel;1373310 wrote: In Matt. 13:14-15 Jesus repeats a prophecy from Isaiah;" You will keep on hearing but not understand; and you will keep on seeing but willnot perceive. For the heart of the people has become dull." This type of mindset will keep anyone from seeing that God is Real. Its really just blindness to realizing God. You can't focus on him. You start listening to others who are blind and Dull and void of God. These are part of the forces who seek to put out a " Smoldering Wick" that is curious of God.

In Matthews 12:20;" A battered reed he willnot break off, and a Smoldering Wick he willnot put out, until he leads justice to victory." Your search for God being real is a smoldering wick, and God is not going to snuff that out. Not until he leads you to the answer you desire.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:25 am

Is God Real? Well, is your very Life real? Search out where Life really came from, and see if you find Gods realness there. Your going to find something at the beginning of that search; something to carefully evaluate. Will the science of that something show you that God must be real? Well it certainly showed me.

Lets look into " The science of God being Real."

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:12 pm

Mickiel;1373362 wrote: In Matthews 12:20;" A battered reed he willnot break off, and a Smoldering Wick he willnot put out, until he leads justice to victory." Your search for God being real is a smoldering wick, and God is not going to snuff that out. Not until he leads you to the answer you desire.

what is this, it does not support anything about the realness of anything except maybe the elasticity of water reeds.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:16 pm

Mickiel;1373520 wrote: Is God Real? Well, is your very Life real? Search out where Life really came from, and see if you find Gods realness there. Your going to find something at the beginning of that search; something to carefully evaluate. Will the science of that something show you that God must be real? Well it certainly showed me.

Lets look into " The science of God being Real."

God is not Science-Science is not God-Life is not Science-God is not Life, Religion and Science are different apporaches to a similar goal it is like saying Budihsm is Christianity, or Chemistry, is Geology, or Budihsm is Physics, or Biology is Christianity, or Quantum Mechanics is Islam. Thus, this statment I consider Null/void. So I nor anyone else really would need to look into "The science of God being real" !!BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!!

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 9:33 am

Science has shown that Life comes from Life, through the study of ' Reproduction." This is commonly refered to as " Biogenesis"; the fact that living things only come from other living things, and not from non-living matter. And when these living things procreate, their offspring are the same type of organism that they are. This is consistant with the biblical Genesis account;

And lets examine the science of this account.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:53 pm

No scientist has ever documented a single case of non living matter comming to life in self replicating form. When a scientist observes the first example of spontaneous generastion which includes self replicating machinery ( DNA and RNA ) Biogenesis will no longer be a law; until then it remains one.

God is alive and real, and science proves that through biogenesis; Life could only have originated from Life.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:11 pm

Lets take a scientific look at the " Cambrian Explosion." And how it proves that the universe was created all at once.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:13 pm

Paleontology is the study of prehistoric life. Through its science we discovered that all fossil records appear literally instantly. This record reveals a total absence of multicellular life forms in the lower two thirds of the earths crust. This record is refered to as the Precambrian period. Then, advanced life appears in abundant numbers during the " Cambrian Period." This period contains the oldest rocks in which complex fossils are found. Also refered to as " The Cambrian Explosion", it contains millions of well developed life forms.

In the precambrian period, the fossil record only has sparse , unicellular fossils. In the Cambrian period, fossil records indicates life appeared suddenly in tremendous complexity, great diversity and unbelievable abundance without evolving from any ancestors.

Stunning proof of creation and that God is indeed real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:04 pm

Next lets look at " Cross Breeding." No one disputes the fact that horizontal variation ( Microevolution) exist. All species have a certain range of differences. But Vertical transformation ( Macroevolution) , where one kind of species transforms into another, is not allowed and does not occur. Dawkins tries to use the fact that snakes have a different number of vertabrae, microevolution, as proof that they evolved from another creature, macroevolutiuon. This is a common but false arguement.

Boundries between kinds are proven biological facts. Centuries of experimental breeding provide convincing evidence against evolution. When abnormal lines are crossed, sterility is the result. For example; A horse and a Donkey can mate and produce a new animal; a Mule. However the Mule is sterile and unable to procreate. Stunning evidence of the bibles claim that each animal produces " After its own Kind."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:10 am

As we go into how science proves God is real, we must consider " The Anthropic Principles." These point out that there are over 100 varibles to this universe, which would have made life impossible as we know it if they were even slightly different.

Before we go into these laws, consider this; If you walked down the street and saw a quarter you would think someone dropped it. If you went further down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the ground, you would think that someone had a hole in their pocket. But if you went down the street and saw 100 quarters on the sidewalk and they were all carefully balanced on their edges, now you would think someone did this " Deliberately!"

The Universe is just that carefully balanced. And it was Deliberately balanced.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:17 pm

God is not Science-Science is not God-Life is not Science-God is not Life, Religion and Science are different apporaches to a similar goal it is like saying Budihsm is Christianity, or Chemistry, is Geology, or Budihsm is Physics, or Biology is Christianity, or Quantum Mechanics is Islam. Thus, this statment I consider Null/void. So I nor anyone else really would need to look into "The science of God being real" !!BECAUSE THERE IS NONE!!

jallytony · Post by **jallytony** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:11 am

Mickiel;1342803 wrote: Oh what a question we all should realize, is God real? I mean is he really real? Are there ways to know that there is a God? Are there tangible proofs of God? Well I think there are, and bit by bit, peice by piece, I think one can prove " To themselves", that God is indeed real.

There are many ways to prove Gods existence, Archaeology, Consciousness, language, civilization, romance, history, science, the list goes on and on, all these things and more can prove Gods existence.

And I will go into each one of them.

Peace.

i believe God is in our mind,and maybe it is not real,but no matter what we do or what we say,we would like to think of God,it is a wish and belief in our heart

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:50 am

jallytony;1374121 wrote: i believe God is in our mind,and maybe it is not real,but no matter what we do or what we say,we would like to think of God,it is a wish and belief in our heart

I think it most certainly can begin as a wish or belief, yes. Its then simular to Love; we can wish that someone loved us, or believe that they do. It then falls to the other to prove their love for you. I think its the same responsibility that falls on God; he must show himself to be real, and prove that to humanity; and I believe he will; just not today.

Because of that, any human who cannot wait on that, it falls to them to prove it to themselves. So its a " Personal thing ", if you can't wait on the other person to prove what they say to you, that they Love you, then prove it to yourself.

And while I am waiting on Gods revelation, I will spend my time proving he is real to myself.

I got nothing better to do.

Infinite light · Post by **Infinite light** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:46 pm

If you are using sound reason to prove God to "yourself," then it should be possible to prove God to others. Now, on the other hand, if you are only talking about "feelings," then that's something completely different. Every time I buy a Powerball I have a feeling I'm going to win. Unfortunately I'm still poor; proof enough that feelings can be mistaken.

Infinite light · Post by **Infinite light** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:02 pm

Mickiel;1373963 wrote: As we go into how science proves God is real, we must consider " The Anthropic Principles." These point out that there are over 100 varibles to this universe, which would have made life impossible as we know it if they were even slightly different.

Before we go into these laws, consider this; If you walked down the street and saw a quarter you would think someone dropped it. If you went further down the street and saw a handful of quarters on the ground, you would think that someone had a hole in their pocket. But if you went down the street and saw 100 quarters on the sidewalk and they were all carefully balanced on their edges, now you would think someone did this " Deliberately!"

The Universe is just that carefully balanced. And it was Deliberately balanced.

It seems to me, you are simply projecting your "balanced" bias (excuse the pun) onto the universe with this analogy. We have no reason to conclude that this universe we live in is truly "balanced" or not, since we have no other universe to compare it to. You believe the universe was "deliberately balanced," and so by implication god must exist. Balance is a subjective term that cannot prove God, anymore than sin, evil, or apparent chaos is proof that God DOESN'T exist. It's just an opinion.

I cannot be amazed into a belief in God; because amazement--if anything--is a good sign of my own inability to understand. And I don't think a lack of understanding should be sufficient proof of God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:49 pm

Infinite light;1374203 wrote: It seems to me, you are simply projecting your "balanced" bias (excuse the pun) onto the universe with this analogy. We have no reason to conclude that this universe we live in is truly "balanced" or not, since we have no other universe to compare it to. You believe the universe was "deliberately balanced," and so by implication god must exist. Balance is a subjective term that cannot prove God, anymore than sin, evil, or apparent chaos is proof that God DOESN'T exist. It's just an opinion.

I cannot be amazed into a belief in God; because amazement--if anything--is a good sign of my own inability to understand. And I don't think a lack of understanding should be sufficient proof of God.

I am not interested in effecting your belief, I only explain mine. In my view, there is both order and disorder in the Universe; both of which I believe to be deliberate. Both of which I view as proof of God. If earth were too close to the Sun, it would boil; if it were too far away, it would frezze; in my view that was deliberate, not just wild happenstance " Luck." And I understand that; that understanding affords my sense of things as a proof of a God who deliberately did that.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:46 pm

Mickiel;1374357 wrote: I am not interested in effecting your belief, I only explain mine. In my view, there is both order and disorder in the Universe; both of which I believe to be deliberate. Both of which I view as proof of God. If earth were too close to the Sun, it would boil; if it were too far away, it would frezze; in my view that was deliberate, not just wild happenstance " Luck." And I understand that; that understanding affords my sense of things as a proof of a God who deliberately did that.

For what purpose must you explain your beliefs, why must others understand what your beliefs are, are there a certain group of people you are focused on explaining your beliefs to for they need to understand your beliefs for some goal. If you have to explain something that means 1.) someone other than you doesn't understand something 2.) you have to explain to them what it is you want them to understand so they can be better prepared when trying to face the same situation or understand similar information, but why would I or any of us on hear want or need to understand your beliefs unless it was to disagree or agree with them, and thus inversely effect our beliefs, the mere fact you have to explain something to us means we don't understand something and you want us to thus effecting our understanding and thus effecting our belief. The only thing I have come to understand here is that you like to talk in circles and contradict yourself like most ("The Bible is acutual litteral word of God the universe and everything") christians do, Most people I know understand that type of mindset so there is really nothing to explain yours may differ in a few areas but it so far is generally the same, so I fail to see why you are saying you aren't trying to effect us "non-believers" where the actions of your constant monologues and word usage of we and us instead of I or me indicates otherwise.

Infinite light · Post by **Infinite light** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:10 am

Mickiel;1374357 wrote: I am not interested in effecting your belief, I only explain mine. In my view, there is both order and disorder in the Universe; both of which I believe to be deliberate. Both of which I view as proof of God. If earth were too close to the Sun, it would boil; if it were too far away, it would frezze; in my view that was deliberate, not just wild happenstance " Luck." And I understand that; that understanding affords my sense of things as a proof of a God who deliberately did that.

You say that the universe is "deliberate." If things were a little too much one way, or too much another way, then things might boil or freeze. But it's not God who has done the deliberating here--it's you. You can call the universe anything you want: Beautiful, ugly, balanced, hateful, lovely, dirty, majestic, infinite, or any other old thing, but if a creator doesn't exist it won't hear your opinions. You should not be surprised by any degree of balance, because it is the same universe whether it was created by God or not. You cannot inspire the universe into creating God with your affections.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:51 am

We can know that God is real by examining the delicate balance in the universe. In earths atmosphere if there were too much of just one of many gases which make up our atmosphere, our planet would suffer a runaway greenhouse effect. On the other hand, If God didnot include enough of these gases, life on this planet would be devastated by cosmic radiation. Again, stunning scientific proof of God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:22 pm

Even simple science produces evidence of God. Every known life depends on water. Waters solid form is less dense than its liquid; this causes ice to float. Did you know that if ice didnot float, our planet would experience runaway frezzing. The simple balance in creation reveals an incredible balanced mind of a creator!

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:07 pm

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Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:09 am

Science is a serious window into the realness of Gods creative ability. I never have trusted the belief that credits " Nature as creating itself", as if it just eventually " Gets it right!" No, things were created as is. The color of the Sun , for example. If the Sun were much redder, on the one hand, or bluer on the other, photosynthesis would be impeded, which is a natural biochemical process crucial to life on earth. Again, stunning proof of God creating things " As Is."

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:08 am

Protones carry a positive electrical charge , equal to that of the negatively charged electrons. If protons didnot balance electrons and vice versa, we wouldnot exist. Again simple science is a proof that God is real and how he balanced his creations.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:53 am

The balancing act of Gods creation is obvious proof that he is real. Protons are 1,836 times larger than electrons. If they were either a bit bigger or smaller, we wouldnot exist because Atoms couldnot form the molecues we require. This percision was not fortutious luck, it was deliberate design. There is your proof of God.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:53 pm

God is a balanced being, it then stands to reason that he is a balanced creator, as was Jesus. Gravity is roughly 1,039 times weaker than electromagnetism, if it had been merely 1,033 times weaker, stars would be a billion times less massive and would burn a million times faster! Theres your proof of a balanced creator who is real.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:24 pm

Mickiel;1374779 wrote: God is a balanced being, it then stands to reason that he is a balanced creator, as was Jesus. Gravity is roughly 1,039 times weaker than electromagnetism, if it had been merely 1,033 times weaker, stars would be a billion times less massive and would burn a million times faster! Theres your proof of a balanced creator who is real.

Gravity is working in other dimensions

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:05 am

Science is a keen way to prove God is real. Earths reflectivity or " Albedo", is the total amount of light reflected off the planet verses the total amount of light absorbed. If earths albedo were much greater than it is now, we would experience runaway freezing. If it were muchless, we would experience a runaway greenhouse effect. It is God who maintains this deliberate balance.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:47 pm

Mickiel;1374821 wrote: Science is a keen way to prove God is real. Earths reflectivity or " Albedo", is the total amount of light reflected off the planet verses the total amount of light absorbed. If earths albedo were much greater than it is now, we would experience runaway freezing. If it were muchless, we would experience a runaway greenhouse effect. It is God who maintains this deliberate balance.

and the earth has an atmosphere due to gravity

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:15 pm

One need only look at the real componants of Air that we all breathe to see the incredible deliberate balance of Gods creative ability. Most of air is about 78% Nitrogen Gas. Only 21% consist of Oxygen. The remaining 1% consist of Carbon Dioxide, Argon, Neon, Helium, Krypton, Hydrogen, Xenon and Ozone. Like baking a cake, these ingredients are deliberately designed to accomidate humans.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:22 pm

wrong it is due to the the place the earth is in the solar system the distance away from the sun the physical make-up of the earth and of course gravity.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:09 pm

The Universe operates in an orderly manner according to Laws. The laws of physics ( gravity and motion) the laws of chemistry and biology. The world follows rules, rules that are fundementally mathematical, rules that humans can figure out. Gravity holds the planets in their orbits. Biology fixes our differing species, and no new species have come into existence. None of these laws have been broken.

How did these laws orginate? Where did they come from? Who set them in motion? How are they substained?

Law demands a law giver and substainer. Only a God could have done this so scientifically.

Infinite light · Post by **Infinite light** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:33 pm

MICHIEL:

The laws of physics, chemistry, and biology are manmade creations, as an interpretation of nature. Science doesn't prove God, though it does prove man's capacity for intellectual development. The laws we perceive don't prove God's existence as a "law giver and substainer," as you state. Instead, those laws are the result of man's need and desire to seek patterns and order, by way of experience. There's a good reason why nature favored brains so inclined. Creating scientific laws was--and is--a way for man to understand nature, at least as far as those laws will allow;this undoubtedly was of great benefit to the human species in overcoming nature's obstacles and also ones enemies. Lower animals also learn via experience how to exploit the "laws" of nature to their advantage. Evolution among species will favor those that best "understand" and exploit their environment. So, what has determined the laws of nature is not a supreme being, but the need for survival among species.

Can I ask, are you really taking yourself seriously? I mean, are you pulling my leg with this &*$%* of yours?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:54 pm

And now I want to spend a little time on ' Family Life" as proof God is real.

Infinite light · Post by **Infinite light** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:12 pm

Mickiel;1375115 wrote: And now I want to spend a little time on ' Family Life" as proof God is real.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

See ya 'round.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:18 pm

Don't take it personally, IL, Mickey is Mickey.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:05 pm

Mickiel;1375115 wrote: And now I want to spend a little time on ' Family Life" as proof God is real.

Yaaaaay good job we have now got you to graduate in to recognizing " I me myself" from "you they them us", babysteps but it is a good one.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:13 am

You ever wondered where family life came from? Who started Fatherhood, and who started motherhood; and who started the insitution of marriage? Well I am going to trace it to its orgin, and you'll be surprised at its actual beginnings.

littleCJelkton · Post by **littleCJelkton** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:32 am

Mickiel;1375154 wrote: You ever wondered where family life came from? Who started Fatherhood, and who started motherhood; and who started the insitution of marriage? Well I am going to trace it to its orgin, and you'll be surprised at its actual beginnings.
Uhh the need for protection of the young of a species for the better survival of said species because a predator would get what it can kill which often means the young and/or weak so you would protected the young/weak until it was able to defend itself.

I fail to see how this relates to any type of god unless you are saying god is a predator that likes to pray on the young and/or weak.

jallytony · Post by **jallytony** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:01 am

god help those who help themselves,i believe this

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:56 am

jallytony;1375158 wrote: god help those who help themselves,i believe this

Do you believe that God does not help those who cannot help themselves?

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:27 am

It was God who created human and animal family life, as seen in Genesis first 3 chapters. This is " Why" we see family life in humans, God simply set it up; as he set up marriage. And this has remained a fundemental reality in human life. So family life, as well as marriage; are proof that God is real.

Mickiel · Post by **Mickiel** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:57 pm

Why would family life be so obviously developed in our reality? Its obviously " Inbred", something inside of both humans and animals. It reveals a VERY strong indication of it being " Instilled", inate; Its again what I describe as a " Definte deliberate fingerprint of God." If you study " Family", you can see its a system of " Unity", a bond between parents and their children. Its intimate and nurturing. Its a strong foundation. This is obvious design and direction from a designer; its a way to " Trace God."

And when the question of God being real comes up in your consciousness, you have to learn the " Ways of Tracing him." How do we track God?