Frozen to Life?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:52 am

I was interested to see a report in the Independent that the founder of Cryonics had himself frozen this week :-

Cryonics: the chilling facts - Features, Gadgets & Tech - The Independent

The idea that the people of the future would detank you one day is one that I find had to get my head round - why should they bother? It is not the great people of the world who are being frozen, just a few of the rich ones.

Thoughts?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:25 am

Assuming they can be revived, I suppose they might be a useful historical resource for some future society. I find this faith that human nature will somehow be better in the future rather touching. I'd say there's just as much chance that people would be revived as an amusing freak show, rather than being lovingly rebuilt and given everything they want.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 3:46 am

If they can be revived, what I don't quite understand why someone would want to be revived in a completely new era?

and who knows when it would be, 100 years from now?

why would someone want to live in a world they know nothing about.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:09 am

Odie;1363338 wrote: If they can be revived, what I don't quite understand why someone would want to be revived in a completely new era?

and who knows when it would be, 100 years from now?

why would someone want to live in a world they know nothing about.

That puts me in mind of Heinlein's "Door into Summer" where one of the motives was an account with a good rate of compound interest

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:22 am

I wouldn't want to wake up 200 years from now-I would still be my same age, and my kids and grandson would be gone.

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:26 am

chonsigirl;1363348 wrote: I wouldn't want to wake up 200 years from now-I would still be my same age, and my kids and grandson would be gone.

Ah, but life expectancy might be several hundred years by then

flopstock · Post by **flopstock** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:46 am

But wouldn't it be cool to be the archaeologist who stumbles across the vault 300 years from now?

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:19 am

flopstock;1363358 wrote: But wouldn't it be cool to be the archaeologist who stumbles across the vault 300 years from now?

Yikes!

No Bryn, I think I will stay here. The pros: a longer live. The cons: everyone you know is gone, and a whole different generation will be in place. Good chance you wouldn't like it, then what would you do?

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:53 am

chonsigirl;1363361 wrote: Yikes!

No Bryn, I think I will stay here. The pros: a longer live. The cons: everyone you know is gone, and a whole different generation will be in place. Good chance you wouldn't like it, then what would you do?

Going home might be a problem ...

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:07 am

Knowing my luck, the ex would be frozen and left in the freezer to catch up with me...............................

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:16 am

chonsigirl;1363380 wrote: Knowing my luck, the ex would be frozen and left in the freezer to catch up with me...............................

I agree!:wah:

Post by **spot** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:40 pm

Imagine such a brain being available now from any period at all in the past. The queue of historians wanting raw exposure to its way of thinking and assumptions and unrecorded knowledge would stretch out for decades. I'm sure the future would have a similar reaction. Exchanging information with a Celt or Lancastrian or Pict or Fomorian today would be valuable beyond price. Perhaps eventually a 21st century specimen will have similar fascination.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:04 pm

Bryn Mawr;1363330 wrote: I was interested to see a report in the Independent that the founder of Cryonics had himself frozen this week :-

Cryonics: the chilling facts - Features, Gadgets & Tech - The Independent

The idea that the people of the future would detank you one day is one that I find had to get my head round - why should they bother? It is not the great people of the world who are being frozen, just a few of the rich ones.

Thoughts?

this always reminds me of the embalming of Egyptians , just a modern day version of it really

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:01 pm

I winder what people would look like?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Odie;1363522 wrote: I winder what people would look like?

In a cryogenic chamber? Rather blue.

In the future? If you go back 100,000 years and dress a human from then in a zoot suit with a neat haircut he'd look a lot like me. How far into the future were you hoping to look?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:07 pm

spot;1363527 wrote: In a cryogenic chamber? Rather blue.

In the future? If you go back 100,000 years and dress a human from then in a zoot suit with a neat haircut he'd look a lot like me. How far into the future were you hoping to look?

in the future, not a cryogenic chamber.

I would say 200 years later?

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:56 pm

Odie;1363533 wrote: in the future, not a cryogenic chamber.

I would say 200 years later?

How could people look any different after 200 years? Or are you talking about clothes fashions?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:57 pm

spot;1363535 wrote: How could people look any different after 200 years? Or are you talking about clothes fashions?

what if the ozone layer swells up from extensive heat & they all look like freaks?

what if the world resorts to robots?

what if some planet take over?

what if our planet is still here, but no one is here as everyone is in a space station, that's why they're building them.

what if the Russians did take over?

look at how evolution has changed in the past up until now?...who knows what the future holds.

no one can predict from 200 years from now...no one.

Post by **spot** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:20 pm

None of that's going to make the slightest difference to how people look, is it?

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 12:36 am

Not perhaps in 200 years. But make it 20,000 and we might. They found some bones of early europeans which had noticeably chunkier jaws than modern humans, and apparently there is some evidence we are losing our little toes. All very theoretical and uncertain. There is also some suggestion that in extreme cases, humans might adapt much, much faster than had hitherto been thought. I can see that a reduction in size might conceivably happen very quickly.

And of course we now have the technical skills to affect our own evolution. Almost anything is possible!

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:30 am

Now that we have modern medication, foul gene mutations are accumulating in the species. Back in the Palaeolithic things like congenital blindness, deafness or idiocy prevented most carriers from reaching puberty. These days they don't even keep people off the Internet much less from mating.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:43 am

spot;1363539 wrote: None of that's going to make the slightest difference to how people look, is it?

I just explained a few, I could have brought up many more, perhaps not in 200 years, but we could also be clones, also look how far technology has come.

as said spot....no one knows what we will look like.

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:59 am

But... clones look just like us, Odie.

And all swelling up the ozone layer would do is reduce the number of skin cancers, it wouldn't make people look freaky. And owners of robots look like us, and if we were slaves to galactic monsters we'd not look any different except perhaps fitter. Living in space might change our looks but... Russians? Odie, Russians look human, I know they do, I've been and looked.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 9:58 am

spot;1363551 wrote: But... clones look just like us, Odie.

And all swelling up the ozone layer would do is reduce the number of skin cancers, it wouldn't make people look freaky. And owners of robots look like us, and if we were slaves to galactic monsters we'd not look any different except perhaps fitter. Living in space might change our looks but... Russians? Odie, Russians look human, I know they do, I've been and looked.

how do you know from extensive heat what people may look like?

not owners of robots.....actually robots.

if the Russians did take over, what would they do to us?

just saying.....as I have no idea.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:18 am

:yh_rotfl This has turned into a very humorous thread.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:54 pm

YZGI;1363556 wrote: :yh_rotfl This has turned into a very humorous thread.

are robots not for you?

how about aliens......nanu nanu:yh_rotfl

Post by **spot** » Fri Jul 29, 2011 8:08 pm

Odie;1363555 wrote: if the Russians did take over, what would they do to us?

just saying.....as I have no idea.

I'm reminded of that line from Strangelove... "I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids".

You may be the last person on the planet still infected with McCarthy's "Better Dead Than Red", Odie. I really hope so anyhow.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:01 am

spot;1363561 wrote: I'm reminded of that line from Strangelove... "I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids".

You may be the last person on the planet still infected with McCarthy's "Better Dead Than Red", Odie. I really hope so anyhow.

so you assume the US will always have power over Russian in the future, and how do you know?

look what happened with 911...nothing is impossible