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Serbia's equivalent of General Mattis[1] has finally been nailed to the most appropriate barn door as the price of Belgrade's entry to the EU. None too soon, but welcome news all the same. I can't see him ever taking another holiday. I hope he lives to be a hundred.



[1] - The comparison is deliberate and exact. Remember the Wedding Party. Remember Fallujah. Both come under the heading of trivialized why-should-I-care ethnically-distinct civilian mass slaughter.
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The first hint of a defence strategy is emerging:Some 7,500 Bosnian Muslim men and boys were killed at Srebrenica. The massacre is one of the key charges against Gen Mladic, 69. He was arrested on Thursday after 16 years on the run.

Darko Mladic spoke out after visiting his father in detention at Serbia's war crimes court. "He said that whatever was done in Srebrenica, he had nothing to do with it. He saved so many women, children and fighters... His order was first to evacuate the wounded, women and children and then fighters. Whoever did what behind his back, he had nothing to do with it."

BBC News - Ratko Mladic denies Srebrenica massacre role - son

I'm shocked that he's felt obliged to hide away these last sixteen years, you'd have thought he'd prefer to put the record straight if that's so.
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I'm not opposed to his conviction. The massacre at Srebrenica did happen but I ask what of the others? The war was about killing your neighbors. Sneaking down the road at night and over some guys fence and killing his family in the dark of night with whatever means available. Serb against Croat, Muslim against Christian. I must say that a portion of those men killed had already murdered innocents or would have had the chance arisen. My heart goes out to those amongst them who never in their darkest hour would have done something like that to anyone.

There are more out there, we especially need to go through Croatia. Some of those animals killed innocents and should never see the light of day again. Unfortunately the Serbs are the flavor of the month in the media.

This war was the worst kind of war. There are no innocents.
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I agree with you entirely. I make a distinction between those in uniform, performing illegal actions such as the massacre at Srebrenica under the orders of their national military command structure, and entirely illegal armed bodies such as existed in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. The latter may be, and in Northern Ireland were, amnestied as part of a peace process. It would be an outrage of the same whitewash were allowed to the professionals. Even thinking of not prosecuting throughout the lifetime of the perpetrators would just encourage yet more Generals to assume the imposition of terror might be a feasible strategy.

And yes, I do want General Mattis to face an International Tribunal with enough teeth to jail him after sentencing, the man is as corrupt a liar as any who ever wore uniform and civilians died on his watch because of his own criminal recklessness. American Exceptionalism is unacceptable when America refuses to handle or acknowledge its own cess. Sign up to the Rome Statute and send the man to the Hague where he belongs.
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I think Fallujah was another Dresden myself. It is true that there were reasons to bomb Dresden such as it's road system was still intact and the Soviets had requested it in order to obstruct the redeployment of the German forces, still the act was of limited military value in the long run. Considering the circumstances in Fallujah there was a military reason for controlling the city and subduing it but there was other ways of accomplishing the mission. After all of the destruction we essentially got nothing for it other than more enemies. It did not instill the desired fear or respect in the hearts and minds of the insurgents just as Tolbhukin got his butt kicked all over the place east of Vienna because the Germans simply went around Dresden, hardly missing a beat.

I think Mattis is another Patton. He likes to do noteworthy things in life, if slaughtering whole cities filled with "thems" will get him into the history books, he'll do it. He's one of the worst.

Could you expand on your meaning of American exceptionalism for me? I hear it once in awhile used in different ways and I'm not quite sure what the meanings and uses bring to the conversation. It sounds arrogant to me.
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Scrat;1360532 wrote: Could you expand on your meaning of American exceptionalism for me? I hear it once in awhile used in different ways and I'm not quite sure what the meanings and uses bring to the conversation. It sounds arrogant to me.
It's been the heart of American policy for the last hundred years. It's a statement that if the US as a country or a US citizen as an individual does this abroad, whatever this is, then it's allowed, but if anyone does it within the Homeland then it's forbidden. Against the rules, illegal, this shall not stand, unGodly, any label you want. It's a statement that all nations are nations but the US is an exception. It says that only the USA has sovereign rights.

It's a claim to immunity from both criticism and prosecution. It's why the US has refused compulsory jurisdiction under the International Court of Justice. It's why the Bush Administration wrote "the United States does not intend to become a party to the treaty" in reference to the International Criminal Court. It's the underlying concept that the US has worldwide immunity for its actions. It sounds arrogant to me too. It's why the US should be quarantined as a rogue state.
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I agree, it does seem to be that way. I guess that comes with power and influence intimidation and all of that. Ratko did nothing more than what was expected of him. Just as Curtis LeMay and others, the problem is not just national exceptionalism it's individuals too. Very few leaders are ever punished for what they do. I don't know what the solution is other than putting the politicians in the ring.
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