Next stop Sweden, then the gulag. I hope his people hit back real hard. This makes me want to puke.
YouTube - 'Rubber Stamp': Full Julian Assange speech after extradition ruling
Assange to be extradited.
Assange to be extradited.
Read that this morning. I'm kind of stunned. Not likely to win an appeal though.
Assange to be extradited.
He has to answer the acuusations made against him. Why not wait and see what happens. I can't see the sewdes agreeing to hand him over to the states - not without there being considerable protest. besides apart from the alleged rapes he hasn't domne anything wrong. The point about a european arrest warrant is they have to be honoured.
How about Bradley Manning? Wll the land of the free charge him with anything or even put him on trial?
How about Bradley Manning? Wll the land of the free charge him with anything or even put him on trial?
Assange to be extradited.
The second he touches down in Sweden he will be detained. He will never be set free again. The US will bring charges which he will have to answer to. He will be turned over to US authorities sometime in the future.
Assange to be extradited.
You play you pay. He thinks he is above the law well now what..
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Scrat;1354609 wrote: The second he touches down in Sweden he will be detained. He will never be set free again. The US will bring charges which he will have to answer to. He will be turned over to US authorities sometime in the future.
I think you underestimate the swedes, they can't hand him over to the states unless they charge him with something and what US law has he broken? Even then if it's politically motivated and not criminal it's against his human rights and he could perhaps go to the european court courts to prevent it. The government might want to play ball with the US the people would probably be outraged.
The states hasn't charged Bradley manning yet what on earth can they charge assange with? I don't understand why there isn't outrage in the states about people being held without trial it's one of the main tenets of your constitution. You can probably give some of the credit to wikileaks for what is happening in the middle east
I think you underestimate the swedes, they can't hand him over to the states unless they charge him with something and what US law has he broken? Even then if it's politically motivated and not criminal it's against his human rights and he could perhaps go to the european court courts to prevent it. The government might want to play ball with the US the people would probably be outraged.
The states hasn't charged Bradley manning yet what on earth can they charge assange with? I don't understand why there isn't outrage in the states about people being held without trial it's one of the main tenets of your constitution. You can probably give some of the credit to wikileaks for what is happening in the middle east
Assange to be extradited.
Yeah, well, Sweden hadn't charged him with anything either and off he goes.
Assange to be extradited.
I think you underestimate the swedes
I think you over estimate them. Karl Rove is there doing something as an adviser for gods sake. Sweden has a whole new breed of politician from what I hear.
Assange will simply be detained, indefinitely. They don't have to charge him with anything and Americans are not going to do a damn thing about it.
Simple as that.
I think you over estimate them. Karl Rove is there doing something as an adviser for gods sake. Sweden has a whole new breed of politician from what I hear.
Assange will simply be detained, indefinitely. They don't have to charge him with anything and Americans are not going to do a damn thing about it.
Simple as that.
Assange to be extradited.
koan;1354633 wrote: Yeah, well, Sweden hadn't charged him with anything either and off he goes.
He's been called back for questioning after that a court will decide of charges will be laid. You forget the legal system is Sweden is not identical to the canadian one.
BBC News - Wikileaks: Julian Assange v Sweden's broad sexual laws
Under Swedish law, Mr Assange has not been formally charged. He has merely been accused and told he has questions to answer.
The process is for the prosecutor to question him to see if a formal criminal accusation should then be laid before a court.
There would then be a hearing in front of some lay people to see if that formal charge should go to a formal trial.
It works both ways, he should not be presumed guilty, by the same token the allegation should not be dismissed simply because of who made it and about whom it was made. Most blokes will have been in a situation when about to have sex one or other of the parties changes their minds at the last minute - or maybe it was just a misunderstanding of what was on offer - a cup of coffee taken for meaning something else. If you then proceed anyway that is rape but the chances of a woman being able to make a complaint and be taken seriously are pretty remote.
The case may turn on if or when consensual sex turned into non-consensual sex - is a male decision not to use a condom a case of that, for example?
How would you fare in canada if you told a partner to use a condom, he refused had sex anyway and you subsequently cried rape? You'd probably (I guess) be told you had consented by being in the same room and not to waste police time.
Assange wanted to work in sweden because their laws protecting whistleblowers are amongst the best in the world. If the US did try and extradite him and sweden agreed to it the European Court of Human Rights would probably intervene if Mr Assange was to face the prospect of inhuman or degrading treatment or an unfair trial in the US. Not least they won't extradite if he faced the death penalty. It's probably going to be one of the most carefuly scrutnised trials in swedish history - assuming they decide to press charges.
Why not wait and see what happens.
He's been called back for questioning after that a court will decide of charges will be laid. You forget the legal system is Sweden is not identical to the canadian one.
BBC News - Wikileaks: Julian Assange v Sweden's broad sexual laws
Under Swedish law, Mr Assange has not been formally charged. He has merely been accused and told he has questions to answer.
The process is for the prosecutor to question him to see if a formal criminal accusation should then be laid before a court.
There would then be a hearing in front of some lay people to see if that formal charge should go to a formal trial.
It works both ways, he should not be presumed guilty, by the same token the allegation should not be dismissed simply because of who made it and about whom it was made. Most blokes will have been in a situation when about to have sex one or other of the parties changes their minds at the last minute - or maybe it was just a misunderstanding of what was on offer - a cup of coffee taken for meaning something else. If you then proceed anyway that is rape but the chances of a woman being able to make a complaint and be taken seriously are pretty remote.
The case may turn on if or when consensual sex turned into non-consensual sex - is a male decision not to use a condom a case of that, for example?
How would you fare in canada if you told a partner to use a condom, he refused had sex anyway and you subsequently cried rape? You'd probably (I guess) be told you had consented by being in the same room and not to waste police time.
Assange wanted to work in sweden because their laws protecting whistleblowers are amongst the best in the world. If the US did try and extradite him and sweden agreed to it the European Court of Human Rights would probably intervene if Mr Assange was to face the prospect of inhuman or degrading treatment or an unfair trial in the US. Not least they won't extradite if he faced the death penalty. It's probably going to be one of the most carefuly scrutnised trials in swedish history - assuming they decide to press charges.
Why not wait and see what happens.
Assange to be extradited.
Right, he's wanted for questioning. He hasn't been charged.
Assange to be extradited.
I think you're both giving the Swedes a little too much. Sweden is aspiring to be Americas #1 lap dog in Europe. The powers that be there will do as they're told.
Assange to be extradited.
Scrat;1354724 wrote: I think you're both giving the Swedes a little too much. Sweden is aspiring to be Americas #1 lap dog in Europe. The powers that be there will do as they're told.
The real powers that be are the people and they resent what is now seen as the baleful influence of america just as most people do in the UK and most of europe. The swedes can't just hand him over when he has commited no crime and if he stands trial on tne rape charges he still has to be found guilty - by a jury, the whole point of a jury system is to act as a balance against the power of the state which is probably why Bradley manning will not face a jury trial in the states.
Let the law take it's course. You are not seriously suggesting that assange should be above the law are you?
The real powers that be are the people and they resent what is now seen as the baleful influence of america just as most people do in the UK and most of europe. The swedes can't just hand him over when he has commited no crime and if he stands trial on tne rape charges he still has to be found guilty - by a jury, the whole point of a jury system is to act as a balance against the power of the state which is probably why Bradley manning will not face a jury trial in the states.
Let the law take it's course. You are not seriously suggesting that assange should be above the law are you?
Assange to be extradited.
CARLA;1354612 wrote: You play you pay. He thinks he is above the law well now what..What law exactly is it Assange believed himself to be above?
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Assange to be extradited.
You are not seriously suggesting that assange should be above the law are you?
What law has he broken? The charges against him made by the women are BS, I seriously even doubt that the women are actually bringing the charges, we'll never know. It's all a media circus now and this will be used to skew the perceptions of all those involved.
The US wants him on charges of espionage, and he won't be in front of a jury. I doubt he will see a jury in Sweden but he will certainly see a fence.
What law has he broken? The charges against him made by the women are BS, I seriously even doubt that the women are actually bringing the charges, we'll never know. It's all a media circus now and this will be used to skew the perceptions of all those involved.
The US wants him on charges of espionage, and he won't be in front of a jury. I doubt he will see a jury in Sweden but he will certainly see a fence.
Assange to be extradited.
Scrat;1354747 wrote: What law has he broken? The charges against him made by the women are BS, I seriously even doubt that the women are actually bringing the charges, we'll never know. It's all a media circus now and this will be used to skew the perceptions of all those involved.
The US wants him on charges of espionage, and he won't be in front of a jury. I doubt he will see a jury in Sweden but he will certainly see a fence.
No charges have been brought. He's being taken back for questioning after that they will decide whether to bring charges or not. I don't know the legal systm in sweden but if it's anything like most countries criminal charges are brought by the state not the individual. They might decide there is not enough evidence to prosecute - in a rape case where it is one persons word against another's as to what happened tye presumprtion of innocence works in the rapists favour. That there are two women is either collusion or the realisation that he does this a lot.
The allegations against him are serious and he needs to answer them. If it was an allegation made against -say an american rock star would you assume it was motivated for the publicity or would you think it only right the allegations be investigated? Who he is or what he does should make no difference as to whether he stands trial or not. Wikileaks is incidental and the suggestion it is a ploy to get him extradited to the states doesn't stand much scrutiny. I can't see any european court handing him over just because the americans ask them to without due process . Sweden is a democracy with a well established lagal system the government can't just do that. The US hasn't invented the offence they could try and extradite him for yet. It's highly unlikely the court of human rights would permit extradition anyway.
He would like people to see it as a ploy doesn't mean it actually is. I'm sure even the CIA could come up with a better fabricated charge if they were behind it.
The US wants him on charges of espionage, and he won't be in front of a jury. I doubt he will see a jury in Sweden but he will certainly see a fence.
No charges have been brought. He's being taken back for questioning after that they will decide whether to bring charges or not. I don't know the legal systm in sweden but if it's anything like most countries criminal charges are brought by the state not the individual. They might decide there is not enough evidence to prosecute - in a rape case where it is one persons word against another's as to what happened tye presumprtion of innocence works in the rapists favour. That there are two women is either collusion or the realisation that he does this a lot.
The allegations against him are serious and he needs to answer them. If it was an allegation made against -say an american rock star would you assume it was motivated for the publicity or would you think it only right the allegations be investigated? Who he is or what he does should make no difference as to whether he stands trial or not. Wikileaks is incidental and the suggestion it is a ploy to get him extradited to the states doesn't stand much scrutiny. I can't see any european court handing him over just because the americans ask them to without due process . Sweden is a democracy with a well established lagal system the government can't just do that. The US hasn't invented the offence they could try and extradite him for yet. It's highly unlikely the court of human rights would permit extradition anyway.
He would like people to see it as a ploy doesn't mean it actually is. I'm sure even the CIA could come up with a better fabricated charge if they were behind it.
Assange to be extradited.
Assange's biggest protection is the glare of publicity, should the story go cold, he might just disappear like the Guantanamo Bay inmates.
I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth
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GMC. It doesn't matter if he raped them or not, it doesn't matter what Swedish law says, it doesn't matter what the court of human rights says. The powerful people in Washington want him, they will get him. Period.
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Scrat;1354775 wrote: GMC. It doesn't matter if he raped them or not, it doesn't matter what Swedish law says, it doesn't matter what the court of human rights says. The powerful people in Washington want him, they will get him. Period.
Sorry, America might have been that powerful once but times they are a changin'
Sorry, America might have been that powerful once but times they are a changin'
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We shall see.
Assange to be extradited.
Scrat;1354775 wrote: GMC. It doesn't matter if he raped them or not, it doesn't matter what Swedish law says, it doesn't matter what the court of human rights says. The powerful people in Washington want him, they will get him. Period.
I think you've bought in to the right wing's propoganda - resistance is futile we are in charge. There's something sad about citizens of a free country that feels there is nothing that can be done against powerful interests. If that were true there would still be kings sitting on thrones and we would still bow down to the priests in submission. OK there are kings still sitting on thrones including one in sweden but with no real power.
Incidentally it does matter if he raped them or not.
I think you've bought in to the right wing's propoganda - resistance is futile we are in charge. There's something sad about citizens of a free country that feels there is nothing that can be done against powerful interests. If that were true there would still be kings sitting on thrones and we would still bow down to the priests in submission. OK there are kings still sitting on thrones including one in sweden but with no real power.
Incidentally it does matter if he raped them or not.