Well that's the big question on Facebook today. On the one hand, is was the shooter that did the shooting. On the other hand, Sarah told him to do it.
What's that you say? No she didn't? Well, she did put a gun target on the poor woman's head:
And she did say, "Don't retreat... RELOAD!" This picture is right off the Gov Palin: Don't Retreat. Reload!!! | US for Palin website. Don't try to tell me that she is not throwing gasoline on a fire.
Which is exactly what the shooter was trying to do when he was caught. I know what you're thinking, there's no direct connection, only an indirect one. Well I have to beg to differ. When you yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater and start a stampede, then someone gets trampled, you are partially to blame.
and that's exactly what happened...someone got trampled.
I'm hoping that this will completely end Sarah's credibility and influence.
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Is Sarah Palin to Blame?
Surely Patriots for Palin is something that's being done to her, not something she's doing. And you can't be sat there pretending US for Palin is in any way affiliated with the woman or set up by her or running with her connivance.
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spot;1350193 wrote: Surely Patriots for Palin is something that's being done to her, not something she's doing. And you can't be sat there pretending US for Palin is in any way affiliated with the woman or set up by her or running with her connivance.
Perhaps not, but she does let it run, and never denounced the use of her image.
She did say a lot of the stuff quoted there.
Not to suggest it was her intent that some whacko would actually take any of the rhetoric as far as the fellow in Tucson did.
The map with the targets is pretty clear in its message, that the voters should go after the Dems in those areas targeted.
The sad part is that almost all of the targeted districts had centrists running for the Dems, and the centrists are the ones lost. On both sides of the aisle.
Congress continues to polarize as the voters listen to the extremist hype.
The extreme rhetoric is bound to lead to extreme action.
Perhaps not, but she does let it run, and never denounced the use of her image.
She did say a lot of the stuff quoted there.
Not to suggest it was her intent that some whacko would actually take any of the rhetoric as far as the fellow in Tucson did.
The map with the targets is pretty clear in its message, that the voters should go after the Dems in those areas targeted.
The sad part is that almost all of the targeted districts had centrists running for the Dems, and the centrists are the ones lost. On both sides of the aisle.
Congress continues to polarize as the voters listen to the extremist hype.
The extreme rhetoric is bound to lead to extreme action.
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The leftist lunatic was following the advice of his fearless leader:
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back ...Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back ...Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”
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LarsMac;1350198 wrote: Perhaps not, but she does let it run, and never denounced the use of her image.
She did say a lot of the stuff quoted there.
I'm sure the fansites use her words, yes. I bet they only use some of them, I bet they're selective.
As for "denounced the use of her image", if you can show me a single politician who's ever done that to a non-opponent then I'll allow it as legitimate criticism but not otherwise. As for "she does let it run", similarly, what politician has ever had a fan site suppressed? What would be the point? Ten others would spring up with different names and different owners. The Internet is not subject to censorship.
I still maintain that she's in no way responsible for the content of either site. There's a simple way forward. Make the point of the OP without quoting fansites or employing their photoshopped imagery. It must be easy enough if the point of the OP is valid.
She did say a lot of the stuff quoted there.
I'm sure the fansites use her words, yes. I bet they only use some of them, I bet they're selective.
As for "denounced the use of her image", if you can show me a single politician who's ever done that to a non-opponent then I'll allow it as legitimate criticism but not otherwise. As for "she does let it run", similarly, what politician has ever had a fan site suppressed? What would be the point? Ten others would spring up with different names and different owners. The Internet is not subject to censorship.
I still maintain that she's in no way responsible for the content of either site. There's a simple way forward. Make the point of the OP without quoting fansites or employing their photoshopped imagery. It must be easy enough if the point of the OP is valid.
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I think what is worth considering is that the lady who was shot previously voiced her concerns about Palin's rhetoric and fears for her personal safety. Now she ends up shot in the head.
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yaaarrrgg;1350205 wrote: I think what is worth considering is that the lady who was shot previously voiced her concerns about Palin's rhetoric and fears for her personal safety. Now she ends up shot in the head.
That's worth following up - may we have some references and quotes please?
That's worth following up - may we have some references and quotes please?
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spot;1350206 wrote: That's worth following up - may we have some references and quotes please?
This is from one interview:
GIFFORDS: Community leaders, figures in our community need to say “look, we can’t stand for this.” This is a situation where — people don’t — they really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up and, you know, even things, for example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list. But the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action.
TODD: But in fairness, campaign rhetoric and war rhetoric have been interchangeable for years. And so that’s — is there not, is there a line here? I understand that in the oment it may look bad, but do you really think that’s what she intended?
GIFFORDS: You know, I can’t say, I’m not Sarah Palin. But I can say that in the years that some of my colleagues have served — 20, 30 years — they’ve never seen it like this.
From March last year
This is from one interview:
GIFFORDS: Community leaders, figures in our community need to say “look, we can’t stand for this.” This is a situation where — people don’t — they really need to realize that the rhetoric and firing people up and, you know, even things, for example, we’re on Sarah Palin’s targeted list. But the thing is that the way that she has it depicted has the crosshairs of a gunsight over our district. And when people do that, they’ve gotta realize there’s consequences to that action.
TODD: But in fairness, campaign rhetoric and war rhetoric have been interchangeable for years. And so that’s — is there not, is there a line here? I understand that in the oment it may look bad, but do you really think that’s what she intended?
GIFFORDS: You know, I can’t say, I’m not Sarah Palin. But I can say that in the years that some of my colleagues have served — 20, 30 years — they’ve never seen it like this.
From March last year
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It must be said there are some excruciating quotes coming out today.June 12 2010 web posting: "Get on Target for Victory in November Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly".
January 10th 2011 web posting: In the wake of this stunning tragedy, my prayers are with Rep. Giffords, her husband Mark and the rest of her family. May God's strength comfort her as we pray together for her recovery. We mourn for those who lost their lives in this horrible act. Senseless acts of violence such as this have absolutely no place in American politics. - Jesse Kelly,Or are these quotes maliciously invented? One could even hope they were.
January 10th 2011 web posting: In the wake of this stunning tragedy, my prayers are with Rep. Giffords, her husband Mark and the rest of her family. May God's strength comfort her as we pray together for her recovery. We mourn for those who lost their lives in this horrible act. Senseless acts of violence such as this have absolutely no place in American politics. - Jesse Kelly,Or are these quotes maliciously invented? One could even hope they were.
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I am no fan of Mrs Palin, but it is wrong to hang this on her.
The guy that did this is just pure Freaking whacko.
The guy that did this is just pure Freaking whacko.
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LarsMac;1350214 wrote: I am no fan of Mrs Palin, but it is wrong to hang this on her.
The guy that did this is just pure Freaking whacko.
If you say so. It's far and away the easiest answer, it means nobody needs to stop and think.
I'd say he's a product of his environment.
The guy that did this is just pure Freaking whacko.
If you say so. It's far and away the easiest answer, it means nobody needs to stop and think.
I'd say he's a product of his environment.
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And a tweet, firmly on topic, from the one and only Michael Moore:If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now? Just asking.
Michael Moore (@MMFlint) via Twitter
Answering the point rather than dismissing the author would be productive. Why's it wrong to hang this on her if it's okay to hang other things on people doing no different?
Michael Moore (@MMFlint) via Twitter
Answering the point rather than dismissing the author would be productive. Why's it wrong to hang this on her if it's okay to hang other things on people doing no different?
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spot;1350215 wrote: If you say so. It's far and away the easiest answer, it means nobody needs to stop and think.
So people are actually clinically insane. Reading this guy's stuff, I'd say he may qualify.
I wonder where the people of authority in his life were. The school felt he was dangerous. Did they try to get him any attention?
Did his parents, with whom he lived, never realize that he was tripping the brink of a deep chasm?
The guy does not seem to have skulked in secret. How many people have piped up and said, "I knew there was something weird about him"
this isn't some guy that everybody thought was completely normal and sane, who just one day went off the deep end.
spot;1350215 wrote: I'd say he's a product of his environment.
What a cop-out.
We are all products of our environment. That really has no meaning.
We are products of our environment and products of our own self creation.
We are ultimately responsible for how we deal with our environment.
We choose who we are.
So people are actually clinically insane. Reading this guy's stuff, I'd say he may qualify.
I wonder where the people of authority in his life were. The school felt he was dangerous. Did they try to get him any attention?
Did his parents, with whom he lived, never realize that he was tripping the brink of a deep chasm?
The guy does not seem to have skulked in secret. How many people have piped up and said, "I knew there was something weird about him"
this isn't some guy that everybody thought was completely normal and sane, who just one day went off the deep end.
spot;1350215 wrote: I'd say he's a product of his environment.
What a cop-out.
We are all products of our environment. That really has no meaning.
We are products of our environment and products of our own self creation.
We are ultimately responsible for how we deal with our environment.
We choose who we are.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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LarsMac;1350219 wrote: What a cop-out.
We are all products of our environment. That really has no meaning.
We are products of our environment and products of our own self creation.
We are ultimately responsible for how we deal with our environment.
We choose who we are.I couldn't agree with you more. So what relevance has this "clinically insane" tag which you're bandying around? Does it just mean you don't like the chap? I thought it was meant to mean he didn't get to choose who he is, but I never liked tags in the first place.
We are all products of our environment. That really has no meaning.
We are products of our environment and products of our own self creation.
We are ultimately responsible for how we deal with our environment.
We choose who we are.I couldn't agree with you more. So what relevance has this "clinically insane" tag which you're bandying around? Does it just mean you don't like the chap? I thought it was meant to mean he didn't get to choose who he is, but I never liked tags in the first place.
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Two more vile conjunctions, shall we?It isn't enough that Palin just removed the map of Giffords district with gun crosshairs off her website. She holds responsibility - Jane Fonda (@Janefonda), Twitter.
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice. - Sarah Palin, Facebook.
My sincere condolences are offered to the family of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and the other victims of today's tragic shooting in Arizona.On behalf of Todd and my family, we all pray for the victims and their families, and for peace and justice. - Sarah Palin, Facebook.
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spot;1350221 wrote: I couldn't agree with you more. So what relevance has this "clinically insane" tag which you're bandying around? Does it just mean you don't like the chap? I thought it was meant to mean he didn't get to choose who he is, but I never liked tags in the first place.
The guy came up with some really bizarre thinking.
It is possible that he has some chemical imbalance that made his thinking completely outside normal human process.
It is possible that he had some sort of psychologic mishap at an early age that left him thinking outside normal human process.
It is possible he was just left t ohis own devices as a child and never really learned how to think critically.
Maybe he got bullied by the class president in high school, and that tripped his dislike of politicians.
All that aside,
What he did was completel NUTS.
Bottom line, you can't pin any of that on Sarah Palin, George Bush, Dr Phil, Glen Beck, or anyone one else.
It just happened.
The guy came up with some really bizarre thinking.
It is possible that he has some chemical imbalance that made his thinking completely outside normal human process.
It is possible that he had some sort of psychologic mishap at an early age that left him thinking outside normal human process.
It is possible he was just left t ohis own devices as a child and never really learned how to think critically.
Maybe he got bullied by the class president in high school, and that tripped his dislike of politicians.
All that aside,
What he did was completel NUTS.
Bottom line, you can't pin any of that on Sarah Palin, George Bush, Dr Phil, Glen Beck, or anyone one else.
It just happened.
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If you say so. It's far and away the easiest answer, it means nobody needs to stop and think.
Would you like to answer Michael Moore's question now?
Would you like to answer Michael Moore's question now?
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Well, just laying it on Palin, as Ms Fonda did, certainly took some deep thought.
Laying blame has always been a favorite way to avoid thought, as well.
AH! there it is.
This just in. It's all Sarah's fault. Details at ten.
I concede that a lot of the hype and vitriol in the political arena contributed to the an environment where this whacko could rationalize his actions, but we would be better served to really get to the bottom of how he fell through the cracks to start with, that to just blame it on the right, or the left, or some stupid web page design.
Laying blame has always been a favorite way to avoid thought, as well.
AH! there it is.
This just in. It's all Sarah's fault. Details at ten.
I concede that a lot of the hype and vitriol in the political arena contributed to the an environment where this whacko could rationalize his actions, but we would be better served to really get to the bottom of how he fell through the cracks to start with, that to just blame it on the right, or the left, or some stupid web page design.
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When will the vile liberals denounce their call to violence?
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LarsMac;1350232 wrote: Well, just laying it on Palin, as Ms Fonda did, certainly took some deep thought.
Laying blame has always been a favorite way to avoid thought, as well.And yet the Detroit Muslim wouldn't get off so lightly, one assumes.
"If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now?"
No answers?
Well done Michael Moore, then.
And why did Sarah Palin's official website take down the graphic if it's unexceptionable?
Laying blame has always been a favorite way to avoid thought, as well.And yet the Detroit Muslim wouldn't get off so lightly, one assumes.
"If a Detroit Muslim put a map on the web w/crosshairs on 20 pols, then 1 of them got shot, where would he b sitting right now?"
No answers?
Well done Michael Moore, then.
And why did Sarah Palin's official website take down the graphic if it's unexceptionable?
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My apologies.
I always gave you credit for deeper thought that that.
I always gave you credit for deeper thought that that.
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What's the point in stopping to think, if you don't really think?
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Ms Fonda was pretty good at stirring up the masses. And then there are nut cases out there that don't need any rationale that makes sense to us to commit senseless, horrific acts. From an article on John Hinckley: "John was on his way to New Haven, where he wanted to kill himself in front of Jodie Foster or perhaps murder her and then commit suicide, and took a bus to Washington, D.C. There he saw Reagan's schedule for the next day in a newspaper. Then he wrote a never mailed letter to Jodie Foster. "I will admit to you that the reason I'm going ahead with this attempt now," he began, "is because I just cannot wait any longer to impress you. I've got to do something now to make you understand."
All about the John Hinckley case, by Denise Noe — "Dutch" — Crime Library on truTV.com
All about the John Hinckley case, by Denise Noe — "Dutch" — Crime Library on truTV.com
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LarsMac;1350236 wrote: My apologies.
I always gave you credit for deeper thought that that.
LarsMac;1350237 wrote: What's the point in stopping to think, if you don't really think?
Instead of sidestepping into personal abuse, why not address the question.
Detroit Muslim vs. Sarah Palin. One not allowed, the other allowed. Discuss reasons.
I always gave you credit for deeper thought that that.
LarsMac;1350237 wrote: What's the point in stopping to think, if you don't really think?
Instead of sidestepping into personal abuse, why not address the question.
Detroit Muslim vs. Sarah Palin. One not allowed, the other allowed. Discuss reasons.
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Saint_;1350191 wrote: I know what you're thinking, there's no direct connection, only an indirect one. Actually, I was thinking there's no connection at all, save for a fictional one you've imagined. There's no more connection between Palin & this guy than between him and Obama's “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” remark.
If this lady had lost her election, I'm pretty sure that this guy would have shot the republican. He shot his representative. He is crazy, full stop.
If this lady had lost her election, I'm pretty sure that this guy would have shot the republican. He shot his representative. He is crazy, full stop.
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spot;1350241 wrote: Instead of sidestepping into personal abuse, why not address the question.
Detroit Muslim vs. Sarah Palin. One not allowed, the other allowed. Discuss reasons.
My comments were not abuse, but observation. Who is not stopping to think, here?
It is not I who seems to have developed an emotional attachment to this discussion.
I don't really see where Hypothetical musings of Mr. Moore are really relevent.
Except for the obvious psychological implications.
The original discussion was whether Sarah was to blame for for this guys' actions.
The website was set up over a year ago, and it was pretty obvious the intent of the pages.
Now, because one of the "targets" has been shot, we see a knee-jerk response to the connection.
Certainly, we would see the same kind of knee-jerk from a similar situation had a muslim, or a communist, or a Democrat done the same kind of thing, and one of the targets had been shot.
The difference would simply be whose knees were jerking.
So, what does that prove?
Was the website in poor taste? Abso-friggin-lutely.
I was a bit incensed by it, as my congresswoman's district was also one of the targets. Perhaps I might feel different had she been the victim of such an attack. However, would my emotional response make the accusations any more correct?
So, back to reality.
We have a guy who spouted a lot of anti-government rhetoric, babbled about mind control, and poor grammer.
The reason he targeted Giffords appears to be simple. She was his representative in government.
And she was accessible.
He seems to have been thinking this line since long before Palin's website was set up.
So, other that a rather tenuous observation, is there any real evidence to make the connection?
Detroit Muslim vs. Sarah Palin. One not allowed, the other allowed. Discuss reasons.
My comments were not abuse, but observation. Who is not stopping to think, here?
It is not I who seems to have developed an emotional attachment to this discussion.
I don't really see where Hypothetical musings of Mr. Moore are really relevent.
Except for the obvious psychological implications.
The original discussion was whether Sarah was to blame for for this guys' actions.
The website was set up over a year ago, and it was pretty obvious the intent of the pages.
Now, because one of the "targets" has been shot, we see a knee-jerk response to the connection.
Certainly, we would see the same kind of knee-jerk from a similar situation had a muslim, or a communist, or a Democrat done the same kind of thing, and one of the targets had been shot.
The difference would simply be whose knees were jerking.
So, what does that prove?
Was the website in poor taste? Abso-friggin-lutely.
I was a bit incensed by it, as my congresswoman's district was also one of the targets. Perhaps I might feel different had she been the victim of such an attack. However, would my emotional response make the accusations any more correct?
So, back to reality.
We have a guy who spouted a lot of anti-government rhetoric, babbled about mind control, and poor grammer.
The reason he targeted Giffords appears to be simple. She was his representative in government.
And she was accessible.
He seems to have been thinking this line since long before Palin's website was set up.
So, other that a rather tenuous observation, is there any real evidence to make the connection?
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LarsMac;1350246 wrote: He seems to have been thinking this line since long before Palin's website was set up.
So, other that a rather tenuous observation, is there any real evidence to make the connection?
I haven't suggested there's a connection. I don't think there is a connection. Why does the Detroit Muslim get arrested if he posts a graphic like that but Sarah Palin doesn't? Why's Sarah Palin immune from FBI entrapment after posting that graphic but the Detroit Muslim isn't? That, I think, is pretty obviously Mr Moore's question.
And if Sarah Palin's minders thought the graphic was effective, why's it been pulled?
So, other that a rather tenuous observation, is there any real evidence to make the connection?
I haven't suggested there's a connection. I don't think there is a connection. Why does the Detroit Muslim get arrested if he posts a graphic like that but Sarah Palin doesn't? Why's Sarah Palin immune from FBI entrapment after posting that graphic but the Detroit Muslim isn't? That, I think, is pretty obviously Mr Moore's question.
And if Sarah Palin's minders thought the graphic was effective, why's it been pulled?
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spot;1350252 wrote: I haven't suggested there's a connection. I don't think there is a connection. Why does the Detroit Muslim get arrested if he posts a graphic like that but Sarah Palin doesn't?
Now you have the hypothetical Muslim being arrested. On what hypothetical crime?
spot;1350252 wrote:
Why's Sarah Palin immune from FBI entrapment after posting that graphic but the Detroit Muslim isn't? That, I think, is pretty obviously Mr Moore's question.
So now we have a hypothetical FBI trying to entrap our hypothetical Muslim, while Shifty Sarah thumbs her hypothetical nose at the hypothetical system.
Perhaps she should set up a new website with Michael in the crosshairs, and some hypothetical whacko could take a shot at him. Then, of course your hypothetical FBI could come and arrest me for suggesting such a thing.
spot;1350252 wrote:
And if Sarah Palin's minders thought the graphic was effective, why's it been pulled?
It had outlived its usefulness after the election, and was just hanging out there like an old campaign poster. They should have pulled it sooner, but they wanted to make sure the whacko knew who he was supposed to go for.
Hello!?
Reality check.
Now you have the hypothetical Muslim being arrested. On what hypothetical crime?
spot;1350252 wrote:
Why's Sarah Palin immune from FBI entrapment after posting that graphic but the Detroit Muslim isn't? That, I think, is pretty obviously Mr Moore's question.
So now we have a hypothetical FBI trying to entrap our hypothetical Muslim, while Shifty Sarah thumbs her hypothetical nose at the hypothetical system.
Perhaps she should set up a new website with Michael in the crosshairs, and some hypothetical whacko could take a shot at him. Then, of course your hypothetical FBI could come and arrest me for suggesting such a thing.
spot;1350252 wrote:
And if Sarah Palin's minders thought the graphic was effective, why's it been pulled?
It had outlived its usefulness after the election, and was just hanging out there like an old campaign poster. They should have pulled it sooner, but they wanted to make sure the whacko knew who he was supposed to go for.
Hello!?
Reality check.
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The "Detroit Muslim" is a reference to your President and the joke's about looking at things through partisan spectacles.
As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
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Accountable;1350245 wrote: Actually, I was thinking there's no connection at all, save for a fictional one you've imagined. There's no more connection between Palin & this guy than between him and Obama's “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” remark.
If this lady had lost her election, I'm pretty sure that this guy would have shot the republican. He shot his representative. He is crazy, full stop.Wasn't part of his rant about illiteracy?:-2
If this lady had lost her election, I'm pretty sure that this guy would have shot the republican. He shot his representative. He is crazy, full stop.Wasn't part of his rant about illiteracy?:-2
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spot;1350261 wrote: The "Detroit Muslim" is a reference to your President...
Really?
Can't say that I have ever heard such a reference. Is that a Brit thing?
spot;1350261 wrote: and the joke's about looking at things through partisan spectacles.
Well, I got the partisan thing. (DUH! Michael Moore)
spot;1350261 wrote:
As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
I've never seen any of that, either. You have some examples?
spot;1350261 wrote:
It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
Not sure I get this correlation.
Really?
Can't say that I have ever heard such a reference. Is that a Brit thing?
spot;1350261 wrote: and the joke's about looking at things through partisan spectacles.
Well, I got the partisan thing. (DUH! Michael Moore)
spot;1350261 wrote:
As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
I've never seen any of that, either. You have some examples?
spot;1350261 wrote:
It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
Not sure I get this correlation.
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Actually, after reading this, I think I could fairly quickly work up some real right-wing stuff about this whole thing being some sort of plot by the gun control factions.
Gun Control Timeline: 7 Big Events In The Federal Gun Control Debate
That would n't make it true, but it seems that truth no longer matters in this world.
Gun Control Timeline: 7 Big Events In The Federal Gun Control Debate
That would n't make it true, but it seems that truth no longer matters in this world.
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I actually think all of this is quite ironic. Though maybe it is not the only determining factor that some like to believe he did what he did, but the stark "your always wrong I am always right" fighting between those quote "leftist", and "tea part" members and the media that makes money off of that type of conflict is certaintly something worth looking at a contributing factor at the overall number of reasons he did what he did. The hate between the two parties have escatlated to a point were somebody with with just a bit too much fervor could see this as doing something good for his/her party. I just think it is Ironic that even something as horrible as this is still not enough to make those in the media, D.C, and even on here see that the current politcal atmosphere needs to tone it down a bit.
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littleCJelkton;1350267 wrote: I actually think all of this is quite ironic. Though maybe it is not the only determining factor that some like to believe he did what he did, but the stark "your always wrong I am always right" fighting between those quote "leftist", and "tea part" members and the media that makes money off of that type of conflict is certaintly something worth looking at a contributing factor at the overall number of reasons he did what he did. The hate between the two parties have escatlated to a point were somebody with with just a bit too much fervor could see this as doing something good for his/her party. I just think it is Ironic that even something as horrible as this is still not enough to make those in the media, D.C, and even on here see that the current politcal atmosphere needs to tone it down a bit.
Absolutely correct.
We have taken things way too far.
The real tragedy I see in this thing is that we have lost yet another centrist in Congress.
There's not many of them left.
If we continue the polarization, our government will become even less effective than it has been, and things will really unravel.
Absolutely correct.
We have taken things way too far.
The real tragedy I see in this thing is that we have lost yet another centrist in Congress.
There's not many of them left.
If we continue the polarization, our government will become even less effective than it has been, and things will really unravel.
The home of the soul is the Open Road.
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LarsMac;1350264 wrote: [quote=spot]The "Detroit Muslim" is a reference to your President...Really?
Can't say that I have ever heard such a reference. Is that a Brit thing?No, it's an American thing... Why do 1 in 5 Americans think President Obama is a Muslim? - CSMonitor.com might remind you of the tendency.
LarsMac wrote: [quote=spot]As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
I've never seen any of that, either. You have some examplesTensions Between FBI and Muslims Over Entrapment Charges Growing | Criminal Justice | Change.org quotes quite a few cases all in one article. There are innumerable discussions of FBI terror-charge entrapment of Muslims of each of those cases in the press. If you'd like to focus in on just one case in the article I'll give you a dozen newspaper references of where it's discussed, how's that?
Can't say that I have ever heard such a reference. Is that a Brit thing?No, it's an American thing... Why do 1 in 5 Americans think President Obama is a Muslim? - CSMonitor.com might remind you of the tendency.
LarsMac wrote: [quote=spot]As for American Muslims in general, the newspapers are filled to overflowing with FBI entrapment trials of American Muslims offered weaponry and assistance just to talk them into some vague agreement that qualifies as terrorist intent. It makes the joke slightly more bitter and the immunity of Sarah Palin's campaign team all the more blatant.
I've never seen any of that, either. You have some examplesTensions Between FBI and Muslims Over Entrapment Charges Growing | Criminal Justice | Change.org quotes quite a few cases all in one article. There are innumerable discussions of FBI terror-charge entrapment of Muslims of each of those cases in the press. If you'd like to focus in on just one case in the article I'll give you a dozen newspaper references of where it's discussed, how's that?
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The danger of saying that someone ought to be assassinated is that, if someone assassinates them, you become liable for inciting murder. I've not looked into the specifics of this but, if she said "I hate blondes" and someone killed a blonde saying Palin told him to, that's just crazy. But if she put a target on someone's head or said someone should kill a specific person... and that person is killed by someone who said Palin told him to, then she's liable.
It's a good reason to never call for someone's death. Jail must suck.
It's a good reason to never call for someone's death. Jail must suck.
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koan;1350272 wrote: It's a good reason to never call for someone's death. Jail must suck.And - just to check - is saying "I didn't mean it" a good enough defence in court?
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spot;1350276 wrote: And - just to check - is saying "I didn't mean it" a good enough defence in court?
I'm pretty sure that's a no.
You can't take back death.
I'm pretty sure that's a no.
You can't take back death.
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koan;1350272 wrote: The danger of saying that someone ought to be assassinated is that, if someone assassinates them, you become liable for inciting murder. I've not looked into the specifics of this but, if she said "I hate blondes" and someone killed a blonde saying Palin told him to, that's just crazy. But if she put a target on someone's head or said someone should kill a specific person... and that person is killed by someone who said Palin told him to, then she's liable.
It's a good reason to never call for someone's death. Jail must suck.
It was a cross-hair like in a rifle scope. And it never actually pointed at anyone's head.
The image was a map and the districts were targeted where the Republicans expected a tough fight.
Of course I just heard the recording of Palin's aid trying to disassociate.
Claiming it was a surveyor's site, not a target.
But, of course there is also the record of Palin calling them bull's eyes.
The latest hoot in all this is Glen Beck is calling for everyone to renounce violence.
This posting on his web site, right next to a picture of him holding a gun.
I am wondering what, exactly, he is up to.
This whole thing turns my stomach, actually. The politicos on both side started making hay off it before the wounded had been cared for.
And now all the media abuzz over how the other guys are taking advantage of this .
I think Bill Maher is right.
We are a nation of well-armed nutjobs.
It's a good reason to never call for someone's death. Jail must suck.
It was a cross-hair like in a rifle scope. And it never actually pointed at anyone's head.
The image was a map and the districts were targeted where the Republicans expected a tough fight.
Of course I just heard the recording of Palin's aid trying to disassociate.
Claiming it was a surveyor's site, not a target.
But, of course there is also the record of Palin calling them bull's eyes.
The latest hoot in all this is Glen Beck is calling for everyone to renounce violence.
This posting on his web site, right next to a picture of him holding a gun.
I am wondering what, exactly, he is up to.
This whole thing turns my stomach, actually. The politicos on both side started making hay off it before the wounded had been cared for.
And now all the media abuzz over how the other guys are taking advantage of this .
I think Bill Maher is right.
We are a nation of well-armed nutjobs.
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LarsMac;1350270 wrote: Absolutely correct.
We have taken things way too far.
The real tragedy I see in this thing is that we have lost yet another centrist in Congress.
There's not many of them left.
If we continue the polarization, our government will become even less effective than it has been, and things will really unravel.
Or we will get to see more and more tradgities like this, that get semi-linked to political, race, creed, and/or religous hatred in those who are just a bit too crazy and take things a bit too seriously.
We have taken things way too far.
The real tragedy I see in this thing is that we have lost yet another centrist in Congress.
There's not many of them left.
If we continue the polarization, our government will become even less effective than it has been, and things will really unravel.
Or we will get to see more and more tradgities like this, that get semi-linked to political, race, creed, and/or religous hatred in those who are just a bit too crazy and take things a bit too seriously.
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Regardless of the specifics, it's really a shame that it takes death to make people think twice about implying assassination is a good move.
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koan;1350282 wrote: Regardless of the specifics, it's really a shame that it takes death to make people think twice about implying assassination is a good move.
Your right, if you logically look at the ilogic of "I am always right you are always wrong" spin that politicians on both sides have been spewing to there followers, that could possibly lead to "If I am always right and you are always wrong why would I need you?". Similar in respects to "My God is the one true God and yours is not" has lead to "the Infidel/blashpemer must die" quite a few times.
Your right, if you logically look at the ilogic of "I am always right you are always wrong" spin that politicians on both sides have been spewing to there followers, that could possibly lead to "If I am always right and you are always wrong why would I need you?". Similar in respects to "My God is the one true God and yours is not" has lead to "the Infidel/blashpemer must die" quite a few times.
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H8 2 burst bubbles but I'm pretty much always right. :p
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koan;1350290 wrote: H8 2 burst bubbles but I'm pretty much always right. :p
Why the H8 on bubbles.
Why the H8 on bubbles.
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They're far too round.
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koan;1350295 wrote: They're far too round.
so square ones you are o.K with?
so square ones you are o.K with?
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Square bubbles are more stable. They don't tend to burst in the first place... mostly because they only exist in the perfect world.
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koan;1350300 wrote: Square bubbles are more stable. They don't tend to burst in the first place... mostly because they only exist in the perfect world.
Ahh I see what about oblong bubbles or those foamy sudsy ones that don't really pop they just kinda get all over your hand. Though Since were have again come to the conclusion your right they are wrong we can commence with the assination of bubbles.
Ahh I see what about oblong bubbles or those foamy sudsy ones that don't really pop they just kinda get all over your hand. Though Since were have again come to the conclusion your right they are wrong we can commence with the assination of bubbles.
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Be aware I'm not recommending the assassination of anything soapy or round like.