655. Bin Laden and Julian Assange, False flag and living plant (12/7/2010)
On 12/4, I wrote an article "Wiki-Leaks is another false flag" and posted it in APFN. One hour later, I was surprised to find the topic was replied by Julian Assange. I don't think it was Assange himself did it. He is on the run. Most likely it is the work of his handler - the Feds. The purpose is to link me to a would be "criminal". Assange is a living plant like Bin Laden. Here is the topic:
Wiki-Leaks is another false flag ?kathaksung, Sat Dec 4 09:27
* Thats not all, Netanyahu said.... ?Percy, Sat Dec 4 18:52
o Julian Assange answers your questions ?Julian Assange, Sat Dec 4 10:24
APFN - Wiki-Leaks is another false flag
Bin Laden is a living plant.
In 1990, Soviet bloc collapsed. US intelligence turned its resource which used to deal with Soviet bloc to the new target - Mid-east countries which are rich in natural resource. Bin Laden, an asset of the CIA in Afghanistan war(against Russian), was revived in this new project as a false flag - Islamic extremist. He went to Sudan first in 1991.
The Sudanese offered to arrest Bin Laden and extradite him to Saudi Arabia .
Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize
Saudi and US didn't take the offer with various excuse because Bin Laden is a living plant they deployed there.
In 1995, Bin Laden tried to set up a connection with Saddam but was refused.
Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam, al Qaida
A September 2006 report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded that Saddam was "distrustful of al Qaida and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al Qaida to provide material or operational support."
The Senate report, citing an FBI debriefing of a senior Iraqi spy, Faruq Hijazi , said that Saddam turned down a request for assistance by bin Laden which he made at a 1995 meeting in Sudan with an Iraqi operative.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20080 ... hy/2875005
Sudan may have felt the danger to accomodate Bin Laden. In May 1996, the Sudanese asked bin Laden to leave. He went to Afghan and stay there until now.
In August 1998, Sudan and Afghanistan were bombed by US missiles.
In 2001, after 911, Afghan, facing US invasion, made an offer but failed.
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
* Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 14 October 2001 22.19 BST
Remember Osama?
In Bin Laden's recent 20 years, the countries he went or tried to go, have something in common: They all have rich natural resources. Sudan and Iraq have oil. Afghan has rich mine. '
Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential
DUBAI | Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:14pm
Afghanistan to develop $3 trillion in mining potential | Reuters
He didn't go to Yemen, Somali or Syria for his "revolution" because they are resource poor countries, not in US interest list. He didn't go to Saudi or Kuwait. Because they are US allies. He only went to Sudan, Afghan, or Iraq (intended to) because these three countries were not controlled by US at that time. As a living plant, he gave US the excuse to activate attack on these three countries. (Even Saddam realized that Bin Laden was a dangerous living plant and rejected him, Iraq at last was invaded with an unexisted WMD)
Julian Assange is another false flag and living plant. The target is not to control natural resource but to control the free speech kindom - the Internet. If you have noticed that in last month, the events come with the Wiki-leaks' third leaking. '
The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet
from the free-speech-isn't-free dept
The 19 Senators Who Voted To Censor The Internet | Techdirt
US Government seizure of the internet has begun; DHS takes over 76 websites
Learn more: US Government seizure of the internet has begun; DHS takes over 76 websites
WIKILEAKS will leak 250.000 documents sunday nov 28
Sat Nov 27, 2010
APFN - WIKILEAKS will leak 250.000 documents sunday nov 28
What will be their next step? Feds will upgrade the secret level of the leaking document to their puppet Assange. That will finally justify the legitimate of control of the Internet. When you saw that Wiki-Leaks is moving from this server to that, this web site to other, do you realize all thes sites could be potential victims of the next wave of Internet censorship and seizure? Assange does same thing Bin Laden has done.
I always say that I am the most wanted of the Feds. Though I am always under the surveillance of the Feds, to set up an internet communication with a "criminal" could justify their action and turn an unreasonable search into a reasonable one. On 12/5, (next day that Assange post reply on my article) A working van of "Direct TV" parked at my front door. Technician installed something in my neighbor's house. (we share one roof and the wall) I think that they were installing detective instrument. My neighbor has had a dish satelite antena already.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
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I don't know what to say to you. I've tried to help a friend that had similar delusions and no matter what I or his family said to him, it became part of his conspiracy fantasy.
I hope you find someone who can help you.
I'm so sorry.
I hope you find someone who can help you.
I'm so sorry.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
koan;1346777 wrote: I don't know what to say to you. I've tried to help a friend that had similar delusions and no matter what I or his family said to him, it became part of his conspiracy fantasy.
I hope you find someone who can help you.
I'm so sorry.
It's a new one on me. Living plant? Will vegetables take over the world because the grass is always greener?
I hope you find someone who can help you.
I'm so sorry.
It's a new one on me. Living plant? Will vegetables take over the world because the grass is always greener?
WikiLeaks is a false flag
He/she may be right for all we know. Congressional members such as Chuck Shummer and Jay Rockefeller have made no secret that they want the government to have more control over the content of the internet. This does seem to be a very elaborate scheme though. But its would be a surefire way of getting a majority of the American patriotic suckers on board with the idea.
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
It's an interesting post. It does raise the important point, that conspiracy theory layers can be added on top of the previous layer of conspiracy.
Is Assange revealing a conspiracy (the U.S. government is trying to hiding information)?
Or is Assange part of a larger conspiracy to erode Internet freedom?
Or is the 'false flag' idea designed to undermine the credibility of Assange? Might this actually be a "false false flag" operation?
Unless that is exactly the conclusion they hoped I'd draw, in which case it could really be a "false false false flag" op.
Is Assange revealing a conspiracy (the U.S. government is trying to hiding information)?
Or is Assange part of a larger conspiracy to erode Internet freedom?
Or is the 'false flag' idea designed to undermine the credibility of Assange? Might this actually be a "false false flag" operation?
Unless that is exactly the conclusion they hoped I'd draw, in which case it could really be a "false false false flag" op.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
Where to start?
I don't think Assange is a government plant being used to set some precedent to establish control over the internet. I do think the government is trying to instill fear in the internet community, that will be how they will control it and the media. Why create something when it is made for you?
When somebody steps out of line simply crush them. People of the west are very well conditioned to thinking with the herd mentality. I heard that a lot of celebrities were willing to put up bail for Assange, have any of them done it yet? We all know that some just wanted publicity and had no intention of paying. I also have no doubt that there is a fear factor involved for them. "If I do pay his bail, will the government and the loonies come after me"? What if they pay and he is still in jail?
Nothing is certain for them. One thing though is he will be extradited to Sweden and he will be in US custody shortly thereafter.
I don't think Assange is a government plant being used to set some precedent to establish control over the internet. I do think the government is trying to instill fear in the internet community, that will be how they will control it and the media. Why create something when it is made for you?
When somebody steps out of line simply crush them. People of the west are very well conditioned to thinking with the herd mentality. I heard that a lot of celebrities were willing to put up bail for Assange, have any of them done it yet? We all know that some just wanted publicity and had no intention of paying. I also have no doubt that there is a fear factor involved for them. "If I do pay his bail, will the government and the loonies come after me"? What if they pay and he is still in jail?
Nothing is certain for them. One thing though is he will be extradited to Sweden and he will be in US custody shortly thereafter.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
Be interesting to see what happens if he gets extradited to sweden. What crime has he committed that would allow for extradition from Sweden to the United States? If he's commieted a crime then so have the guardian and the new york times. They might be able to censor the new york times but the guardian won't be backing down any time soon. The outcry if they do try and extradite him would be tremendous. EU human rights legislalation is likely to come in to play to prevent him being extradited to a country where he would not face a fair trial and also has the death penalty. The Swedish government might want to play ball with the americans it's a fairly safe bet the swedish people would be annoyed
As to controlling the internet while the US government might try and impose controls on what americans can see the rest of the world isn't just going to let them dictate what happens to all of it, it's become too important and beyond the means of any one country to control. After all it's not as though they own it or anything is it?
As to controlling the internet while the US government might try and impose controls on what americans can see the rest of the world isn't just going to let them dictate what happens to all of it, it's become too important and beyond the means of any one country to control. After all it's not as though they own it or anything is it?
WikiLeaks is a false flag
The Swedish government might want to play ball with the americans it's a fairly safe bet the swedish people would be annoyed
What will they do about it? Hold their breath until they turn blue? Use harsh Swedish language?
He's going to Sweden, then he will be shipped to the US and brought up on charges of espionage and probably get life in prison. That's the way it will be.
What will they do about it? Hold their breath until they turn blue? Use harsh Swedish language?
He's going to Sweden, then he will be shipped to the US and brought up on charges of espionage and probably get life in prison. That's the way it will be.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
I wonder whether the OP believes Julian Assange to be a deliberate, conscious and willing US operative, or whether one can be a "false flag" in this context without actually agreeing to it.
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
The OP seems to believe the entire wikileaks fiasco is a ruse to get to him, personally.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
koan;1346864 wrote: The OP seems to believe the entire wikileaks fiasco is a ruse to get to him, personally.
It is, of course, always a possibility.
Distinguishing possible from likely is an essential part of living a rational existence.
It is, of course, always a possibility.
Distinguishing possible from likely is an essential part of living a rational existence.
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
This isn't really another thread about wikileaks. It distresses me to look at it that way when the psychosis is so blatant.
The only useful thing I can think of to say is that if, indeed, the government is using world events to set up the OP for downfall, they probably want him to hurt himself or someone else so I hope he has the sense not to fall into that trap.
The only useful thing I can think of to say is that if, indeed, the government is using world events to set up the OP for downfall, they probably want him to hurt himself or someone else so I hope he has the sense not to fall into that trap.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
Scrat;1346841 wrote: What will they do about it? Hold their breath until they turn blue? Use harsh Swedish language?
He's going to Sweden, then he will be shipped to the US and brought up on charges of espionage and probably get life in prison. That's the way it will be.
Sweden is a democracy and governments can lose elections. People are beginning to riot all over europe about what is going on, governments might become fascist but they will always be forced to change sooner or later because they just don't work in the long run and people get pissed off with it. Governments can only get away with things if people let them. That's why they are so concerned about wikileaks - it's a knee jerk oh dear our bosses are going to find us out reaction. except it seems we have allowed a culture where they don't think they should be held to account for when they get it wrong and we shouldn't know what is done in our name and some idiots think that's quite right.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. ,
Forget who said it but it is a truism I think.
He's going to Sweden, then he will be shipped to the US and brought up on charges of espionage and probably get life in prison. That's the way it will be.
Sweden is a democracy and governments can lose elections. People are beginning to riot all over europe about what is going on, governments might become fascist but they will always be forced to change sooner or later because they just don't work in the long run and people get pissed off with it. Governments can only get away with things if people let them. That's why they are so concerned about wikileaks - it's a knee jerk oh dear our bosses are going to find us out reaction. except it seems we have allowed a culture where they don't think they should be held to account for when they get it wrong and we shouldn't know what is done in our name and some idiots think that's quite right.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. ,
Forget who said it but it is a truism I think.
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
spot;1346863 wrote: I wonder whether the OP believes Julian Assange to be a deliberate, conscious and willing US operative, or whether one can be a "false flag" in this context without actually agreeing to it.
That's interesting... you may be on to something. I'm wondering if the many in the US government aren't secretly delighted with Assange. The brown shirts can use it to promote the cause of eroding internet freedom. Meanwhile, the actual information he's released is not news to anyone that's been paying attention. They are making a bigger deal out of it than it really warrants.
That's interesting... you may be on to something. I'm wondering if the many in the US government aren't secretly delighted with Assange. The brown shirts can use it to promote the cause of eroding internet freedom. Meanwhile, the actual information he's released is not news to anyone that's been paying attention. They are making a bigger deal out of it than it really warrants.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
Wiki-Leaks is another false flag
1. It doesn't leak any important secret of dirty insiders of US government.
2. It provokes Iran and other Arab countries. (News that Saudi king asking US to attack Iran)
3. This time the likely purpose is to justify war on Iran
Quote, "
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WikiLeaks: Iran 'obtains North Korea missiles which can strike Europe'
Iran has obtained ballistic missiles from North Korea that could be used to strike Western Europe, the leaked files suggest.
By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent 29 Nov 2010
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1. It doesn't leak any important secret of dirty insiders of US government.
2. It provokes Iran and other Arab countries. (News that Saudi king asking US to attack Iran)
3. This time the likely purpose is to justify war on Iran
Quote, "
Quote:
WikiLeaks: Iran 'obtains North Korea missiles which can strike Europe'
Iran has obtained ballistic missiles from North Korea that could be used to strike Western Europe, the leaked files suggest.
By Duncan Gardham, Security Correspondent 29 Nov 2010
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
You know what the real truth is? No, you dont. None of us do. Its all speculation. Stabs in the dark. There are agendas but theyre all over lapping and conflicting with one another. The truth I think is there is no truth. Its just one big cluster**** so save yourself.
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WikiLeaks is a false flag
Nomad;1356750 wrote: You know what the real truth is? No, you dont. None of us do. Its all speculation. Stabs in the dark. There are agendas but theyre all over lapping and conflicting with one another. The truth I think is there is no truth. Its just one big cluster**** so save yourself.
Was this the way you tried to seal people's mouths?
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It’s more a provocation from the disinformation office of Pentagon.
Quote, “WikiLeaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm
Chinese officials speak after Guardian US embassy cables reveal Beijing is leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control
Simon Tisdall guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 30 November 2010
China supports the "independent and peaceful reunification of the Korean peninsula in the long term" and cannot afford to give the North Korean regime the impression it has a blank cheque to act any way it wants, Chinese officials based in Europe said today.
The officials, who asked not to be identified, spoke after the Guardian reported that senior figures in Beijing, exasperated with North Korea acting like a "spoiled child", had told South Korean counterparts China was leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control.
China's moves to distance itself from the North Korean regime were revealed in the latest tranche of leaked US embassy cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published yesterday by the Guardian and four international newspapers.
Was this the way you tried to seal people's mouths?
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It’s more a provocation from the disinformation office of Pentagon.
Quote, “WikiLeaks row: China wants Korean reunification, officials confirm
Chinese officials speak after Guardian US embassy cables reveal Beijing is leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control
Simon Tisdall guardian.co.uk,
Tuesday 30 November 2010
China supports the "independent and peaceful reunification of the Korean peninsula in the long term" and cannot afford to give the North Korean regime the impression it has a blank cheque to act any way it wants, Chinese officials based in Europe said today.
The officials, who asked not to be identified, spoke after the Guardian reported that senior figures in Beijing, exasperated with North Korea acting like a "spoiled child", had told South Korean counterparts China was leaning towards acceptance of reunification under Seoul's control.
China's moves to distance itself from the North Korean regime were revealed in the latest tranche of leaked US embassy cables obtained by WikiLeaks and published yesterday by the Guardian and four international newspapers.
WikiLeaks is a false flag
Assange has other targets.
Quote, " Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US
In interview, Assange denies US focus and says WikiLeaks can be force for opening up closed countries like China and Russia
Jo Adetunji guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 December 2010
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted to expose China's and Russia's secrets as much as those of the US, and believes Hillary Clinton should resign if she ordered diplomats to engage in espionage.
Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US | World news | guardian.co.uk
Quote, " Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US
In interview, Assange denies US focus and says WikiLeaks can be force for opening up closed countries like China and Russia
Jo Adetunji guardian.co.uk, Thursday 2 December 2010
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange wanted to expose China's and Russia's secrets as much as those of the US, and believes Hillary Clinton should resign if she ordered diplomats to engage in espionage.
Julian Assange says WikiLeaks wants to expose China and Russia as much as US | World news | guardian.co.uk