Remembrance Day: Poppy-burning Muslim protesters mar Armistice Day | Mail Online
Welcome to London. Where Islam is the majority and the ENGLISH get arrested for counter-protesting them! This country has gone to the dogs...literally.
This really begs the question of why are these people here? I bet everyone of them holds a british passport and has become a british citizen. So goes the Empire...:-1
And funny enough, this was not reported on any BBC news channel or website. Strange.
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The British Armed Forces are occupying a Muslim country having killed tens of thousands of its citizens. It's not just a subset of British Muslims who disrespect those who've volunteered, there's a sizeable subset of British Christians who feel exactly the same way and for the same reason. I'm delighted that the current government is reducing the size of the armed forces to the point where we can never again participate in foreign adventurism. Defending the borders, fine. Serving overseas, outrageous; immoral, sinful and completely self-defeating. No volunteer in this day and age deserves the slightest respect.
Oh - and Muslims are obviously not in a majority across London, it's ridiculous to suggest they are. Nor in any city in the UK.
Oh - and Muslims are obviously not in a majority across London, it's ridiculous to suggest they are. Nor in any city in the UK.
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The pictures might suggest a large crowd, but a closer look, it is the same group of about 15 to 20 in all the pictures.
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At least the Mail had the sense to give them lots of free publicity then.
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spot;1343364 wrote: The British Armed Forces are occupying a Muslim country having killed tens of thousands of its citizens. It's not just a subset of British Muslims who disrespect those who've volunteered, there's a sizeable subset of British Christians who feel exactly the same way and for the same reason. I'm delighted that the current government is reducing the size of the armed forces to the point where we can never again participate in foreign adventurism. Defending the borders, fine. Serving overseas, outrageous; immoral, sinful and completely self-defeating. No volunteer in this day and age deserves the slightest respect.
Oh - and Muslims are obviously not in a majority across London, it's ridiculous to suggest they are. Nor in any city in the UK.
Not yet, spot, not yet, but it won't be long.
Oh - and Muslims are obviously not in a majority across London, it's ridiculous to suggest they are. Nor in any city in the UK.
Not yet, spot, not yet, but it won't be long.
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G#Gill;1343380 wrote: Not yet, spot, not yet, but it won't be long.So where did "Welcome to London. Where Islam is the majority" come from?
At the moment, Muslims form around one in twenty of the UK population. I don't think we'll see the majority you're talking about during this century, do you?
At the moment, Muslims form around one in twenty of the UK population. I don't think we'll see the majority you're talking about during this century, do you?
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spot;1343402 wrote: So where did "Welcome to London. Where Islam is the majority" come from?
At the moment, Muslims form around one in twenty of the UK population. I don't think we'll see the majority you're talking about during this century, do you?
The thing is, Muslims are not scattered across the country though, are they? They live in tightly-packed pockets, mainly throughout Middle England.
Take Bradford for instance, long-known as the Capital of Pakistan.
In 2001 there were 1:5 Asians to Whites. If Asians have an average of 4 kids per family and whites have an average of 2 kids per family, then the Asian community will expand at roughly twice the rate of the white community. (Lets leave death demographics out of this for arguments sake). However, I have seen many Asian families with more than 4 kids, sometimes 6 or 8 or 10. The Asian population in growing exponentially. It's not a scattered Muslim majority that's worrying so much as tightly-packed brain-washed Muslim communities of youths who spend their time (when not collecting giros) in learning the fundamentals of terrorism.
So, in 2001 the ratio was 1:5.
It's now nearly a decade later. I wonder what the current ratio is? 1:3? 1:2?
As Gilly says, it won't be long.
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At the moment, Muslims form around one in twenty of the UK population. I don't think we'll see the majority you're talking about during this century, do you?
The thing is, Muslims are not scattered across the country though, are they? They live in tightly-packed pockets, mainly throughout Middle England.
Take Bradford for instance, long-known as the Capital of Pakistan.
In 2001 there were 1:5 Asians to Whites. If Asians have an average of 4 kids per family and whites have an average of 2 kids per family, then the Asian community will expand at roughly twice the rate of the white community. (Lets leave death demographics out of this for arguments sake). However, I have seen many Asian families with more than 4 kids, sometimes 6 or 8 or 10. The Asian population in growing exponentially. It's not a scattered Muslim majority that's worrying so much as tightly-packed brain-washed Muslim communities of youths who spend their time (when not collecting giros) in learning the fundamentals of terrorism.
So, in 2001 the ratio was 1:5.
It's now nearly a decade later. I wonder what the current ratio is? 1:3? 1:2?
As Gilly says, it won't be long.
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Rapunzel;1343413 wrote: So, in 2001 the ratio was 1:5.
It's now nearly a decade later. I wonder what the current ratio is? 1:3? 1:2?
As Gilly says, it won't be long.You're making a lot of assumptions about the way immigrant demographics change between first, second and third generations if you're suggesting they don't change. Every other immigrant community has had the same pattern in the past as well as the same age distribution. They come in young and have large families, they settle down to fit the UK norm. Consider British Jews, for example, arriving in the second half of Victorian England.
Even so, if you accept your assumption, do the maths for this single exceptional city you're focussing on. What year does it project a Muslim majority?
Staying on topic, do the protesters get brownie points for buying the poppies in the first place?
It's now nearly a decade later. I wonder what the current ratio is? 1:3? 1:2?
As Gilly says, it won't be long.You're making a lot of assumptions about the way immigrant demographics change between first, second and third generations if you're suggesting they don't change. Every other immigrant community has had the same pattern in the past as well as the same age distribution. They come in young and have large families, they settle down to fit the UK norm. Consider British Jews, for example, arriving in the second half of Victorian England.
Even so, if you accept your assumption, do the maths for this single exceptional city you're focussing on. What year does it project a Muslim majority?
Staying on topic, do the protesters get brownie points for buying the poppies in the first place?
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I don't see much difference between this little pocket of extremists and the Christian ones of the Westboro Baptists. Two groups of vile creatures we're best ignoring who both bring shame to their respective religions
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Snowfire;1343428 wrote: Two groups of vile creatures we're best ignoring who both bring shame to their respective religionsPerhaps a critical letter to the Mail and Express would be in order? Something about starving the buggers of the oxygen of publicity being socially responsible, regardless of the potential drop in sales to prats who buy that sort of garbage reporting?
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spot;1343429 wrote: Perhaps a critical letter to the Mail and Express would be in order? Something about starving the buggers of the oxygen of publicity being socially responsible, regardless of the potential drop in sales to prats who buy that sort of garbage reporting?
Its why the Star is such a better newspaper. Theres no news of course but its honest enough not to pretend to be anything else. If I could persuade them never to feature Jordan or Kerry Catona ever again, I might just buy it to look at the pictures
Its why the Star is such a better newspaper. Theres no news of course but its honest enough not to pretend to be anything else. If I could persuade them never to feature Jordan or Kerry Catona ever again, I might just buy it to look at the pictures
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That's not, I fear, a paper of which I have ever heard, and I've heard of lots. Is it associated with Today? Or the European? They're both defunct but maybe the Star's devolved from one or other. Mind you, I used to read the News Chronicle so I'm scarcely in a position to criticize.
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spot;1343436 wrote: That's not, I fear, a paper of which I have ever heard, and I've heard of lots. Is it associated with Today? Or the European? They're both defunct but maybe the Star's devolved from one or other. Mind you, I used to read the News Chronicle so I'm scarcely in a position to criticize.
You've elevated the status of the Star to, excuse the pun, astronomic proportions. Its a rag of a tabloid, yet still head and shoulders above both the Mail and Express
You've elevated the status of the Star to, excuse the pun, astronomic proportions. Its a rag of a tabloid, yet still head and shoulders above both the Mail and Express
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Here we go, let's play which-is-worse. Burning a paid-for poppy in order to demonstrate a political protest, or stealing poppy day collection boxes?
BBC News - Man jailed for Cornish poppy box thefts
Here's another, there's lots of them...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11734814
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-11748460
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Po ... stolen.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe- ... n-11739539
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/ ... directors/
http://www.theprovince.com/Poppy+stolen ... story.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-11737710
BBC News - Man jailed for Cornish poppy box thefts
Here's another, there's lots of them...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11734814
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-la ... e-11748460
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Po ... stolen.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe- ... n-11739539
http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/ ... directors/
http://www.theprovince.com/Poppy+stolen ... story.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-jersey-11737710
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G#Gill;1343380 wrote: Not yet, spot, not yet, but it won't be long.
I just did the sum, if you're interested. Using your figures, one in five currently Muslim in Bradford, each having four children (I've assumed at age 20, 23, 26 and 29), and all non-Muslims having two children, they reach a majority in Bradford after another 75 years. It won't be long? I doubt whether any of us using the site will ever see it and I'm confident that the majority living when it happens will think it's pretty neat.
As I said earlier, the demographics don't work the way you claim. Immigrant community birth rates and age distributions come quickly to mirror those of the population at large. I just thought I'd have a go at your "not long" on your own terms.
I just did the sum, if you're interested. Using your figures, one in five currently Muslim in Bradford, each having four children (I've assumed at age 20, 23, 26 and 29), and all non-Muslims having two children, they reach a majority in Bradford after another 75 years. It won't be long? I doubt whether any of us using the site will ever see it and I'm confident that the majority living when it happens will think it's pretty neat.
As I said earlier, the demographics don't work the way you claim. Immigrant community birth rates and age distributions come quickly to mirror those of the population at large. I just thought I'd have a go at your "not long" on your own terms.
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I saw bits of television last night and thought, for a while, that wearing a poppy had become a mandatory requirement for anyone appearing on the screen. I recall the days when it was a matter of personal choice rather than fear of a drubbing by the tabloids for not having one. Finally, though, two presenters showed up without so it's not quite cast in stone. Well done Ant and Dec. Maybe next year Jeremy Paxman can nerve himself up to challenge knee-jerk conformism too.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
This is England today.
spot;1343688 wrote: I saw bits of television last night and thought, for a while, that wearing a poppy had become a mandatory requirement for anyone appearing on the screen. I recall the days when it was a matter of personal choice rather than fear of a drubbing by the tabloids for not having one. Finally, though, two presenters showed up without so it's not quite cast in stone. Well done Ant and Dec. Maybe next year Jeremy Paxman can nerve himself up to challenge knee-jerk conformism too.
So worked up about a symbol. It's not warfare, it's not blind patriotism, It commemorates but the fallen and the pointlessness of war, something I think we should reminding ourselves of. You do yourself little credit.
I usually don't wear one myself but I notice a lot of younger people round here are, surprising until you realise many round here will have relatives or friends in the forces.
So worked up about a symbol. It's not warfare, it's not blind patriotism, It commemorates but the fallen and the pointlessness of war, something I think we should reminding ourselves of. You do yourself little credit.
I usually don't wear one myself but I notice a lot of younger people round here are, surprising until you realise many round here will have relatives or friends in the forces.
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gmc;1343691 wrote: So worked up about a symbol. It's not warfare, it's not blind patriotism, It commemorates but the fallen and the pointlessness of war, something I think we should reminding ourselves of. You do yourself little credit.
I usually don't wear one myself but I notice a lot of younger people round here are, surprising until you realise many round here will have relatives or friends in the forces.Actually I think you're mistaken - It's about warfare, it's blind patriotism, It's unassailable only because it hides behind the 1920s screen of commemorating the fallen and the pointlessness of war. To quote the BBC, 'The British Legion has made the theme of this year's Poppy Appeal the "Afghan generation" of the armed forces and their families' but it does it in the context of the 1920 Cenotaph and ninety years of historical association.
I argue that the poppy has become propagandist in that nobody on TV feels safe in the current climate unless they're wearing one. Unless you're telling me they all actively want to remember the fallen - Danni and Cheryl and Louie and Simon, for example? Seriously? And every single contestant on the X-Factor platform? You can't be so bloody naive, they were handed out by the production team so as to avoid frothy abusive headlines the next morning, which is a lousy way to commemorate defending "the British way of life".
I usually don't wear one myself but I notice a lot of younger people round here are, surprising until you realise many round here will have relatives or friends in the forces.Actually I think you're mistaken - It's about warfare, it's blind patriotism, It's unassailable only because it hides behind the 1920s screen of commemorating the fallen and the pointlessness of war. To quote the BBC, 'The British Legion has made the theme of this year's Poppy Appeal the "Afghan generation" of the armed forces and their families' but it does it in the context of the 1920 Cenotaph and ninety years of historical association.
I argue that the poppy has become propagandist in that nobody on TV feels safe in the current climate unless they're wearing one. Unless you're telling me they all actively want to remember the fallen - Danni and Cheryl and Louie and Simon, for example? Seriously? And every single contestant on the X-Factor platform? You can't be so bloody naive, they were handed out by the production team so as to avoid frothy abusive headlines the next morning, which is a lousy way to commemorate defending "the British way of life".
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
This is England today.
spot;1343694 wrote: Actually I think you're mistaken - It's about warfare, it's blind patriotism, It's unassailable only because it hides behind the 1920s screen of commemorating the fallen and the pointlessness of war. To quote the BBC, 'The British Legion has made the theme of this year's Poppy Appeal the "Afghan generation" of the armed forces and their families' but it does it in the context of the 1920 Cenotaph and ninety years of historical association.
I argue that the poppy has become propagandist in that nobody on TV feels safe in the current climate unless they're wearing one. Unless you're telling me they all actively want to remember the fallen - Danni and Cheryl and Louie and Simon, for example? Seriously? And every single contestant on the X-Factor platform? You can't be so bloody naive, they were handed out by the production team so as to avoid frothy abusive headlines the next morning, which is a lousy way to commemorate defending "the British way of life".
The production team may indeed have been thinking like that but for those ordinary people buying them and attending remembrance services I doubt very much it is blind patriotism. There will always be those that wear it for the "wrong" reason, for want of a better way to put it. There are a lot of angry people who will buy one to show support for the troops but not to show support for the war. The argument that if you buy one you are supporting the war simply doesn't wash any more than did the one of you didn't support the war you supported terrorism. You may feel it has become propagandist and there is certainly a lot more emphasise on it but I don't agree and I doubt the teenagers who have been attending funerals and seeing friends return with no legs or the ones lining the street in wooton basset (That was entirely spontaneous remember and it wasn't to show support for the war) would either.
I think the british legion should have refused tony blair's money, maybe the metaphorical slap in the face it would have represented might have got through to him.
I argue that the poppy has become propagandist in that nobody on TV feels safe in the current climate unless they're wearing one. Unless you're telling me they all actively want to remember the fallen - Danni and Cheryl and Louie and Simon, for example? Seriously? And every single contestant on the X-Factor platform? You can't be so bloody naive, they were handed out by the production team so as to avoid frothy abusive headlines the next morning, which is a lousy way to commemorate defending "the British way of life".
The production team may indeed have been thinking like that but for those ordinary people buying them and attending remembrance services I doubt very much it is blind patriotism. There will always be those that wear it for the "wrong" reason, for want of a better way to put it. There are a lot of angry people who will buy one to show support for the troops but not to show support for the war. The argument that if you buy one you are supporting the war simply doesn't wash any more than did the one of you didn't support the war you supported terrorism. You may feel it has become propagandist and there is certainly a lot more emphasise on it but I don't agree and I doubt the teenagers who have been attending funerals and seeing friends return with no legs or the ones lining the street in wooton basset (That was entirely spontaneous remember and it wasn't to show support for the war) would either.
I think the british legion should have refused tony blair's money, maybe the metaphorical slap in the face it would have represented might have got through to him.
This is England today.
I've always worn a poppy. I wore one long before there was a war in Iraq or Afghanistan. I was/am against both of these conflicts, so now I have to stop wearing one because of blind patriotism ?
You can choose not to if you like but I'll continue to wear one for the right reasons and I'm sure I'm not alone
You can choose not to if you like but I'll continue to wear one for the right reasons and I'm sure I'm not alone
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I remember buying my first poppy at primary school and I don't recall any year since when I've not bought one. Pinning it on this last couple of years has been a different matter.
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When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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spot;1343701 wrote: I remember buying my first poppy at primary school and I don't recall any year since when I've not bought one. Pinning it on this last couple of years has been a different matter.
There we differ, I put money in but don't normally take a poppy, never have done really. I've also been occasionaly rude to people who tell me I should be wearing one.
There we differ, I put money in but don't normally take a poppy, never have done really. I've also been occasionaly rude to people who tell me I should be wearing one.