Teenager unable to pay court fines due to Benefit not paying him enough...

[Oscar Namechange]

AN unemployed teenager who was arrested after drinking 10 pints of cider and fighting with his father complained that he was not given enough benefits to pay his court fine.

This Is scandalous. How on earth Is a drunken Teenager engaging In violence and threatening behaviour toward our Police supposed to pay his court fines and previous court fines on the measly amount that our Government pays In Benefit?

It Is tragic that young people have to manage on such a small amount of money In the way of State Benefit... After All... Take out what they need to spend on alcohol and ciggs and there Is just nothing left to pay court fines.

I will write a letter of complaint to the Prime Minister forth-with.

[Mustang]

And this is your Governments fault because this teenager chose to become intoxicated and act like a total idiot?

He had the money to buy the pints. He probably receives free rent since he lives with his parents. Meals provided by those parents, so he doesn't need to buy food. He never paid his back fines. I'd say he just didn't manage what money he had coming in very well.

The only thing I see as scandalous is this teens behavior, disrespect for his parent and legal authories, and donning a real bad attitude.

Becoming drunk was his choice and he needs to be held accountable for his actions.

[binbag]

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Wish I hadn't read that.

[G#Gill]

I would think you would write to No.10, Oscar ! The whole situation is a total farce !

How dare the courts expect a young man, in such a penurious state, to find sufficient money to pay a fine or two, and probably costs would come into it. It's just ludicrous.

In this present climate (economic), a young, fit and healthy young man cannot be expected to live an interesting and challenging life on the pittance he is given in Benefits (when he is not working ), and have to dig into the pockets of his designer jeans to pay the courts money that he needs for himself, to offset the boredom of unemployment. Are the courts suffering from 'youthphobia' ? This all smacks at 'Teenism' (similar to ageism only the other end of the scale !). It is high time it was stopped ! :-5:-5:-5

[Oscar Namechange]

binbag;1335409 wrote:

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Wish I hadn't read that.

But hang on BB.. This Is scandalous Indeed.

Do people not realise what these teenagers go through? I mean they have to have designer clothes to buy or they are ridiculed In the street. They need phones with apps and a mountain of technology dangling form their ears. They have neighbourhoods to terrorise, young girlies to Impress by swearing In the street, they have reputations to maintain, they have a gang to up-keep. All of this can not be done on the paltry sum paid by the British tax payer In State Hand-outs. They have Police to threaten, parents who should maintain them for free and all of this can not be done on £60 a week. The price of alcohol Is criminal for these young people along with the tax on ciggs. How do the Police and courts expect them to pay court fines after all this.

No... The only solution Is to tax the British worker harder and Increase the benefits for teenagers..........

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[chonsigirl]

Community service to pay the fines..........................

[Oscar Namechange]

G#Gill;1335411 wrote: I would think you would write to No.10, Oscar ! The whole situation is a total farce !

How dare the courts expect a young man, in such a penurious state, to find sufficient money to pay a fine or two, and probably costs would come into it. It's just ludicrous.

In this present climate (economic), a young, fit and healthy young man cannot be expected to live an interesting and challenging life on the pittance he is given in Benefits (when he is not working ), and have to dig into the pockets of his designer jeans to pay the courts money that he needs for himself, to offset the boredom of unemployment. Are the courts suffering from 'youthphobia' ? This all smacks at 'Teenism' (similar to ageism only the other end of the scale !). It is high time it was stopped ! :-5:-5:-5
Quite right Gill and thank goodness there are fair minded folk like us to defend these police threatening, abusive teenagers. Added to which, the absolute disgrace of the Police daring to even arrest this poor soul and no wonder they got threatened.

It is just not fair on these Teenagers to have the Tax Payer having the benefit of going to work 24/7 to keep a roof over their heads when they have no job. It does Indeed smack of 'Yooooofism' that we see blighting our Country every day. Just because a teenager wants to spend his state benefit on alcohol and ciggs, hang around terrorising his neighbourhood and family and make no effort to find a job, does not mean to say that he should be expected to pay ludicrous court fines.

Shame on the Magistrates who fined him... They should resign.

[Odie]

Mustang;1335408 wrote: And this is your Governments fault because this teenager chose to become intoxicated and act like a total idiot?

He had the money to buy the pints. He probably receives free rent since he lives with his parents. Meals provided by those parents, so he doesn't need to buy food. He never paid his back fines. I'd say he just didn't manage what money he had coming in very well.

The only thing I see as scandalous is this teens behavior, disrespect for his parent and legal authories, and donning a real bad attitude.

Becoming drunk was his choice and he needs to be held accountable for his actions.


Your damn right Mustang, perhaps some time in jail would help him grow up since he cannot pay his fine.

[Rapunzel]

I wish I had £60 a week to spend on me. Wow. I wonder if I could register as a teen and get state benefits? I could say I had that disease (as Robin Williams had in 'Jack') and that I look older than I really am. :sneaky:

Other than that I quite agree with Oscar and Gilly. Parents should be proud to support their young hatchlings in a life of self-indulgence and boredom-inspired hooliganism. Why should these poor chicklets be forced to go out and get jobs the way we had to do at their age. The government positively encourages them to go out and get drunk and have lots of babies with different partners. It's what makes our economy go round. :sneaky:

Oh, and as for the fines...let the parents pay for the privilege whilst also increasing benefits for youngsters. Those ipod apps aint cheap, yaknow. :wah:

[koan]

Perhaps I'm reading a different article than everyone else. I'm not seeing all the details that convince me he's healthy.

I'm also wondering at the logic of a victim surcharge when his father didn't press charges. Seems odd. That's another three weeks of payments to... who?

I did notice that the apparent victim is said to have asked the police to leave. Seems odd.

A teenager who drinks 10 pints by 8:30pm and isn't passed out on the floor seems to be not that healthy. Addiction doesn't happen to normal, healthy young boys.

[koan]

Maybe it's just my warped perception of human beings but I suspect this article could end up connecting to this one:

Stoical, tough, strong, doesn't show his emotions, a stiff upper lip – these are just a few of the adjectives that spring to mind when we think of the typical man. Yet, paradoxically, Samaritans believes this very image that men try to live up

if people treat this kid like a whiny loser.

[Oscar Namechange]

chonsigirl;1335421 wrote: Community service to pay the fines..........................
Community Service Is another example of the wide-spread 'yoooooofish' that Is rife In this country Chons. After all, these poor Teenagers have to lie In bed until at least 3 In the afternoon because terrorising a neighbourhood all night along with drinking copius amounts of alcohol takes a great deal of energy. How on earth are they expected to threaten the Police with full ferocity If he Is tired from Community Service?

Only 3 days ago, I saw 2 Police Officers with a young Teenager on my War Memorial watching over him as he was forced to pick up litter and clean the benches Infront of his giggling gang. He was clearly very tired and I could tell that by the way his head was hung so low and would not meet any-one's gaze. This Is a blantant breach of ooooman rights and of course I protested In the strongest possible terms at the Police Officers who were laughing at him. The poor Teenager was even forced to wear a high vis jacket making him a beacon to the whole village.

It is time this victemisation was stopped.

[Rapunzel]

Poor poor boy. I feel sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry for him. NOT. :wah:

[Oscar Namechange]

Rapunzel;1335509 wrote: Poor poor boy. I feel sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo sorry for him. NOT. :wah:
It Is quite digusting Rap.

Another example of this Yoooooofism rife In our country was the un-fair arrest of a Teenager In my friends shop. It was not the Teenagers fault that he had some spare money from his state Benefit and got very drunk and It was actually all my friends fault that he did not get his face out of the way of the Teenagers fist In sufficient time. As for the Police taking It as a racist attack, this was nonsense. It was not the Teenagers fault that due to mass Immigration under 20 years of Labour rule that kebab shops are springing up all over the place. The poor Teenager was memerly venting his frustration at Gordon Browns open door policy on Immigration.

As for the shop window he kicked In, again this was the fault of my friend who should not have used glass and opted for the safer 'Boarded Up affair' that many shop In Bristol opt for. I think In the melee, the poor Teenager did actually hurt their foot whilst kicking In the window and I was appalled when the Magistrates did not award them thousands of £'s compensation for the Inconvienience of being arrested and getting a nick on the foot.

[Snowfire]

They must be getting very stressful these poor mites. Time to send them off on a holiday maybe. I'll happily pay more taxes for that if it puts a smile back on their cheeky little faces

[Oscar Namechange]

Snowfire;1335513 wrote: They must be getting very stressful these poor mites. Time to send them off on a holiday maybe. I'll happily pay more taxes for that if it puts a smile back on their cheeky little faces


I totally agree Mrs Doubtfire.

I live on my husbands pension now but I would quite happily contribute some of our pension to helping out these Teenagers and giving them a holiday. After all, It is hardly fair Is It that my husband should have the pleasure of serving In the armed forces, pay tax all his life and then reap rewards of a Pension.?

In Fact, I think all pensioners should contribute a 3rd of their pension towards helping these Teenagers get their Ganga far more readilly. We could send them to Barbados for a few weeks where they would be able to stock up Instead of having to run the gauntlet of the dealers on British Street corners.

I think we should also make a concession on alcohol for the under 18's. If we gave them an 80' % discount, their state benefit would go further leaving them with not so long to wait to up-grade their latest phone with more apps.

I shall Include this to the Prime Minister's letter.

[koan]

Saying he threatened police makes it sound like he wasn't in his own home... or that of his father, who also wished them to leave.

[Oscar Namechange]

koan;1335545 wrote: Saying he threatened police makes it sound like he wasn't in his own home... or that of his father, who also wished them to leave.


OK Koan... Just for you we will drop the British Irony that so many across the pond do not seem to get. You will have to excuse us... It Is our British warped sense of humour :wah: It Is what happens after 12 years of a Labour Government.

Seriously.... He could well be In his own home or his parents home. The Police here will act where there Is any threat of violence Including against family members.

[koan]

oscar;1335554 wrote: OK Koan... Just for you we will drop the British Irony that so many across the pond do not seem to get. You will have to excuse us... It Is our British warped sense of humour :wah: It Is what happens after 12 years of a Labour Government.

Seriously.... He could well be In his own home or his parents home. The Police here will act where there Is any threat of violence Including against family members.
I got the irony, I just think that of all the crap going on in the world, this is actually a case where, wtf?? just leave the poor kid alone. He's obviously got problems that no one has the time or inclination to listen to.

Perhaps I still don't "get it" but, does your "irony" mean somehow that you aren't against this kid?

eta: correction: I'm not convinced it's irony. Can you explain the ironic situation more fully?

[Oscar Namechange]

koan;1335482 wrote: Perhaps I'm reading a different article than everyone else. I'm not seeing all the details that convince me he's healthy.

I'm also wondering at the logic of a victim surcharge when his father didn't press charges. Seems odd. That's another three weeks of payments to... who?

I did notice that the apparent victim is said to have asked the police to leave. Seems odd.

A teenager who drinks 10 pints by 8:30pm and isn't passed out on the floor seems to be not that healthy. Addiction doesn't happen to normal, healthy young boys.


There are 2 ways of looking at this...

On one hand, If he Is Indeed addicted to alcohol at such a young age, then some kind of re-hab would be more beneficial than court fines,

However, this lad was electronically tagged already before he threatened the Police.

Electronic tagging Is used here when some-one Is generally deemed a danger to the public and Is generally used rather than a custodial sentence. There-fore, for this lad to be already tagged, shows previous convictions of a violent nature.

Courts do not Issue an electronic tagging order unless the offences are serious so It seems this lad must have had previous for hurting people.