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I am pretty saddened by the aggressive and depressing atheists we have around here. What's worse, I know for a fact that they don't really know what they're talking about. They're like water-haters who have never been swimming, decrying the evil of water and never realizing their bodies are made up of the stuff.(Hmmm...great analogy, I'll have to remember that one!)

It is this kind of childish terror in the face of the infinite which causes religionists like yourself, Saint, to suck greedily on the Big Pacifier called ‘God’.


And it is your egotistical hubris and overbearing self-love that causes you to turn your back on the beauty of Creation and it's Creator. You believe you are the end-all of being, I believe in something greater which naturally challenges your belief.

This isn't a debate that I actually have to win. Time will do that for me. I know that you will believe in God for real...right after you die. The old saying that "There aren't any atheists in foxholes," may or may not be true, but there sure aren't any atheists in the afterlife.

Here's how I know for a fact that they are all wrong and that there is life after death:

For a year, I was getting sicker. The doctors couldn't figure it out. I felt like I was filled with wet cement, I was getting stiffer and stiffer, and the pain was incredible. (They tell me now that it compares to childbirth) By the time the year was up, I literally couldn't walk. I had to use a cane and I could barely shuffle, and if I sat down, I couldn't get up. I was even beginning to have trouble focusing my eyes. Since I couldn't eat due to the pain, I had lost over 70 lbs. and looked like a Holocaust survivor. My friends told me I looked like a living skeleton.

One night, about midnight, I woke with a terrible feeling. I was sick! Something was desperately wrong with me! Not just the pain I had been feeling, but something much, much worse! I tried to call out to my wife, but my voice wouldn't work. I fell out of the bed and managed to crawl upwards to a standing position using the dresser handles. As I stood there holding on to the dresser, suddenly... I was outside my body!

I was standing behind myself. I could see the back of my own head. And that's weird, because usually you don't get to see that angle. I was looking at the curls that I have back there and my first thought was, "Geez, I need a haircut."

Then, my body lost its hold on the dresser, fingernails scratching the top as the body collapsed heavily to the floor in a heap. It didn't even try to catch itself. It hit hard and bounced a little. I stood there shocked thinking, "Wow, that looked like it hurt!"

Then I realized it... I was outside my body. The recognition was instant and hit me like a wave. Suddenly, I was afraid to move. I felt like I might pop myself like a soap bubble. I turned my "head" slowly to the left... the room was quiet. My wife was still in the bed, sleeping softly. A feeling washed over me. It was a feeling of calm and peace. I was so relieved, I felt great! I wasn't hot or cold, I felt good all over and most of all, the pain of my body was completely gone, I thought, "Oh, that feels so much better!" (I hadn't truly realized just how much pain I had been in until it was lifted.) I felt like someone had rolled a Volkswagon off of me.

Then I saw them....

They looked a lot like candle flames, larger at the bottom and tapering to a smaller and rounded top, but not flickering at all, just softly glowing a warm, white light. They were a little bigger than a football, some were slightly bigger than the rest and they were hovering all around the room at various heights.

I kept scanning and noticed that they were also out on the lawn, and in the street. Through the trees, I could see that they were even on the next block. There were thousands of them! That's when I suddenly realized I was looking right through the wall! Now, you have to understand, this was not some hazy, out of focus vision. Everything was crystal clear. The details of the room were crisp, even more than normal; my sight seemed to have improved.

I realized that these were people, and that they were my people. I wonder, "Why do I have so many people?" The answer came to me as a thought, "Down the generations” I got it right away, a family goes back in time thousands of years, these were all my people from all time.

For what seemed like an eternity, I stood there, feeling the cool night air and drinking in the sensation of being free of the pain. Strangest of all, I wasn't breathing, but I didn't feel the building pressure of holding my breath. I just didn't need to breathe. I wasn't hungry, thirsty, or anything else in fact. Funny thing that.

The little candles flames did nothing however. They seemed to be waiting for something. They told me, "We are waiting," and I felt a great love coming from them.

I looked to my left slowly, to see my body huddled on the floor motionless. The next second there was a flash of light and BAM! I was back in my body. I was completely disoriented and it took a second for me to realized where I was. The angle was strange since I was on the floor on my side and I could see under the bed. The room was very dark again. I realized I was back in my body. My first thought was, "Damn! That DID hurt!" My body was aching in a hundred places from the fall and the pain had viciously returned.

My wife heard my moans and woke up. I told her to take me to the hospital and with great effort we managed to drag my body to the car and drive to the hospital.

The doctors told me that I had had a "coronary incident" and that my heart had stopped beating for as much as two minutes. (I didn't suffer any brain damage, though, since I'm an avid swimmer, and can hold my breath easily for that amount of time.) Since I had technically "died", they decided there might actually be something wrong with me.

They ran 300 blood tests, every one in the book. When they came back the answer was as clear as a bell...RA. Rheumatoid Arthritis, the worst kind. It's not just an inflammation of the joints; it's the exact opposite of AIDS and in the old days, every bit as lethal. My own white blood cells could no longer tell the difference between bad bacteria and my own tissues. They were literally eating me alive.

Once they got to the internal organs, I suffered the heart attack. It was no problem after that, a dose of steroids, an autoimmune suppressor and I was literally dancing a jig (on atrophied muscles) by the end of the day.

I'm back to normal now, a strapping, barrel-chested 230 lbs. I can swim, run a short distance, and I'm even hoping to ski again next year. But I'm changed in a big way. I really never took life for granted, I always knew that every day was precious, but now it's not an abstract concept to me. I smell the flowers. I ride my bike, I make sure to kiss my girl and tell her I love her every day. I made a tire swing for my grandchildren and I swing in it myself every chance I get.

I was certainly never afraid of death, but it's different now. I find it of infinite comfort to know that you don't cease to exist when your body dies. I had faith before, but it's infinitely stronger now. God was very kind to me for some reason.

I guess I still have something to do here! :o
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Saint_;1330035 wrote: I am pretty saddened by the aggressive and depressing atheists we have around here. What's worse, I know for a fact that they don't really know what they're talking about. They're like water-haters who have never been swimming, decrying the evil of water and never realizing their bodies are made up of the stuff.(Hmmm...great analogy, I'll have to remember that one!)



And it is your egotistical hubris and overbearing self-love that causes you to turn your back on the beauty of Creation and it's Creator. You believe you are the end-all of being, I believe in something greater which naturally challenges your belief.

This isn't a debate that I actually have to win. Time will do that for me. I know that you will believe in God for real...right after you die. The old saying that "There aren't any atheists in foxholes," may or may not be true, but there sure aren't any atheists in the afterlife.

Here's how I know for a fact that they are all wrong and that there is life after death:

For a year, I was getting sicker. The doctors couldn't figure it out. I felt like I was filled with wet cement, I was getting stiffer and stiffer, and the pain was incredible. (They tell me now that it compares to childbirth) By the time the year was up, I literally couldn't walk. I had to use a cane and I could barely shuffle, and if I sat down, I couldn't get up. I was even beginning to have trouble focusing my eyes. Since I couldn't eat due to the pain, I had lost over 70 lbs. and looked like a Holocaust survivor. My friends told me I looked like a living skeleton.

One night, about midnight, I woke with a terrible feeling. I was sick! Something was desperately wrong with me! Not just the pain I had been feeling, but something much, much worse! I tried to call out to my wife, but my voice wouldn't work. I fell out of the bed and managed to crawl upwards to a standing position using the dresser handles. As I stood there holding on to the dresser, suddenly... I was outside my body!

I was standing behind myself. I could see the back of my own head. And that's weird, because usually you don't get to see that angle. I was looking at the curls that I have back there and my first thought was, "Geez, I need a haircut."

Then, my body lost its hold on the dresser, fingernails scratching the top as the body collapsed heavily to the floor in a heap. It didn't even try to catch itself. It hit hard and bounced a little. I stood there shocked thinking, "Wow, that looked like it hurt!"

Then I realized it... I was outside my body. The recognition was instant and hit me like a wave. Suddenly, I was afraid to move. I felt like I might pop myself like a soap bubble. I turned my "head" slowly to the left... the room was quiet. My wife was still in the bed, sleeping softly. A feeling washed over me. It was a feeling of calm and peace. I was so relieved, I felt great! I wasn't hot or cold, I felt good all over and most of all, the pain of my body was completely gone, I thought, "Oh, that feels so much better!" (I hadn't truly realized just how much pain I had been in until it was lifted.) I felt like someone had rolled a Volkswagon off of me.

Then I saw them....

They looked a lot like candle flames, larger at the bottom and tapering to a smaller and rounded top, but not flickering at all, just softly glowing a warm, white light. They were a little bigger than a football, some were slightly bigger than the rest and they were hovering all around the room at various heights.

I kept scanning and noticed that they were also out on the lawn, and in the street. Through the trees, I could see that they were even on the next block. There were thousands of them! That's when I suddenly realized I was looking right through the wall! Now, you have to understand, this was not some hazy, out of focus vision. Everything was crystal clear. The details of the room were crisp, even more than normal; my sight seemed to have improved.

I realized that these were people, and that they were my people. I wonder, "Why do I have so many people?" The answer came to me as a thought, "Down the generations” I got it right away, a family goes back in time thousands of years, these were all my people from all time.

For what seemed like an eternity, I stood there, feeling the cool night air and drinking in the sensation of being free of the pain. Strangest of all, I wasn't breathing, but I didn't feel the building pressure of holding my breath. I just didn't need to breathe. I wasn't hungry, thirsty, or anything else in fact. Funny thing that.

The little candles flames did nothing however. They seemed to be waiting for something. They told me, "We are waiting," and I felt a great love coming from them.

I looked to my left slowly, to see my body huddled on the floor motionless. The next second there was a flash of light and BAM! I was back in my body. I was completely disoriented and it took a second for me to realized where I was. The angle was strange since I was on the floor on my side and I could see under the bed. The room was very dark again. I realized I was back in my body. My first thought was, "Damn! That DID hurt!" My body was aching in a hundred places from the fall and the pain had viciously returned.

My wife heard my moans and woke up. I told her to take me to the hospital and with great effort we managed to drag my body to the car and drive to the hospital.

The doctors told me that I had had a "coronary incident" and that my heart had stopped beating for as much as two minutes. (I didn't suffer any brain damage, though, since I'm an avid swimmer, and can hold my breath easily for that amount of time.) Since I had technically "died", they decided there might actually be something wrong with me.

They ran 300 blood tests, every one in the book. When they came back the answer was as clear as a bell...RA. Rheumatoid Arthritis, the worst kind. It's not just an inflammation of the joints; it's the exact opposite of AIDS and in the old days, every bit as lethal. My own white blood cells could no longer tell the difference between bad bacteria and my own tissues. They were literally eating me alive.

Once they got to the internal organs, I suffered the heart attack. It was no problem after that, a dose of steroids, an autoimmune suppressor and I was literally dancing a jig (on atrophied muscles) by the end of the day.

I'm back to normal now, a strapping, barrel-chested 230 lbs. I can swim, run a short distance, and I'm even hoping to ski again next year. But I'm changed in a big way. I really never took life for granted, I always knew that every day was precious, but now it's not an abstract concept to me. I smell the flowers. I ride my bike, I make sure to kiss my girl and tell her I love her every day. I made a tire swing for my grandchildren and I swing in it myself every chance I get.

I was certainly never afraid of death, but it's different now. I find it of infinite comfort to know that you don't cease to exist when your body dies. I had faith before, but it's infinitely stronger now. God was very kind to me for some reason.

I guess I still have something to do here! :o


What exactly does your expereince prove other than that you have a formidable imagination?
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OpenMind;1330037 wrote: What exactly does your expereince prove other than that you have a formidable imagination?


Simple:

1. It proves that there is a force that exists after our death. (We Christians call it a "soul" but other religions have a similar belief.)

2. Since we do not understand that force, it implies that there may be other forces we do not understand... including God.

As to your reference that this was all my imagination, I, of course, cannot prove it to you, despite the fact that similar stories exist stretching across mankind's history. But the fact that I am a teacher and a scientist should carry some weight. have you thought of this? If you are right and I am wrong, then we will cease to exist when we die and my belief in a Creator will not affect anything. But if I am right and you are wrong, you will face the Creator Himself. It seems to me that the logical course would be to hedge your bet and believe.
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Interesting story Saint and I have heard about and read about many similar ones. I am neither a depressing nor aggressive atheist, just your plain old vanilla non believing atheist. We atheists don't seem to have the capacity to conjure up delusional images when near death, we just croak. I guess my non belief has caused me to miss out on some nice imaging with my past heath crisis.
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A lot of hate and anger there, directed to people who have wished you no harm. I would have expected more from someone who has so much faith. I happen not to share it but I hope it gives you personal comfort. As for God being very kind to you, do you not suppose it would have been much kinder not to let people suffer at all. Its very easy to see the miracle after a tragedy. A miraculous survivor amongst the rubble of a disaster. I would much prefer that the God you believe in would be more benevolent and giving and prevent the disaster and suffering in the first place.

I'll leave you to your anger and indeed your faith. I'm happy in the knowledge that some of us do indeed know what we are talking about so I'll leave you to your anger and indeed your faith
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Snowfire;1330047 wrote: A lot of hate and anger there, directed to people who have wished you no harm.


Incorrect. No hate or anger at all, just sadness. It's like watching someone drown and have them yell at you not to save them.

I would much prefer that the God you believe in would be more benevolent and giving and prevent the disaster and suffering in the first place.


Why not go further and believe in a God that lets everyone win the lottery, never die, and be eternally healthy? Because that's not the way the Universe works, and we, sitting on a tiny dust speck of it cannot possibly comprehend that entire scheme of things. Heck, we don't even know what gravity is. What you seem to wish for is stagnation.

The point is simple: just because you can't understand something vastly larger than yourself doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Without tragedy and strife how could we ever grow and change? Every challenge mankind has ever faced has served to slowly lift us higher. Seen closely, an earthquake is a tragedy. Seen from the perspective of ages, it is a blessing. We do not have the perspective to judge God.

some of us do indeed know what we are talking about


Good, please explain gravity to me. You can't because no one can. Therefore no one knows what they are talking about in respect to that topic... or the topic of God.
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Why not go further and believe in a God that lets everyone win the lottery, never die, and be eternally healthy? Because that's not the way the Universe works, and we, sitting on a tiny dust speck of it cannot possibly comprehend that entire scheme of things. Heck, we don't even know what gravity is. What you seem to wish for is stagnation.


I don't understand the logic in that at all





No I can't explain gravity but that doesnt make me a bad athiest. You have a go. Your the scientist

As for you expecting people to take you on face value, remember. You have history
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Oh and please dont be sad for me. I dont need your pity. Thanks
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i cant even be arsed to answer properly...got more imprtant things to worry about

im happy that you are happy but please dont presume you know better than me....please dont preach down to me and i will echo what snowfire said.........please dont feel sad for me or pity me..........im quite happy too with my own beliefs which is knowing that there is no God/Allah/Yahweh/etc*

and for the record i was brought up in a religeous environment but i 'saw the light'



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Saint_;1330052 wrote: Incorrect. No hate or anger at all, just sadness. It's like watching someone drown and have them yell at you not to save them.



Why not go further and believe in a God that lets everyone win the lottery, never die, and be eternally healthy? Because that's not the way the Universe works, and we, sitting on a tiny dust speck of it cannot possibly comprehend that entire scheme of things. Heck, we don't even know what gravity is. What you seem to wish for is stagnation.

The point is simple: just because you can't understand something vastly larger than yourself doesn't mean that God doesn't exist. Without tragedy and strife how could we ever grow and change? Every challenge mankind has ever faced has served to slowly lift us higher. Seen closely, an earthquake is a tragedy. Seen from the perspective of ages, it is a blessing. We do not have the perspective to judge God.





Good, please explain gravity to me. You can't because no one can. Therefore no one knows what they are talking about in respect to that topic... or the topic of God.


No one knows what they're talking about with regard to the topic of God. I can certainly agree with that statement. Absolutely no one.

As for gravity. We know what it is, we just can't find its source. It is unlike electromagnetism or the nuclear forces (the weak ones having anything up to three different polarities).

Science at least provides evidence to back up its statements. Religion requires an utter belief and faith based on statements that have no evidence and do nothing but make people subservient to another claiming to be an appointed leader.

If you want to follow the bible or whatever creed you follow and believe in a supernatural being superior to yourself to the point of being your creator, and feel superior to atheists and any other people who believe otherwise, that's your business. You certainly don't need anyone else's permission to do that.

I'll stick with my scientific version of it all. And I don't need anyone's permission to do that. :)
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Snowfire;1330054 wrote: I don't understand the logic in that at all


That's just it. You already believe in something that you can't explain, gravity. What's the difference?

As for you expecting people to take you on face value, remember. You have history


Actually, I don't expect anyone to take me at face value. I said as much. There is no way to prove that what I told you really happened, yet I remember it as clearly as if it happened yesterday and I believe it.
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Snowfire;1330055 wrote: Oh and please dont be sad for me. I dont need your pity. Thanks


Oh no, not you specifically, atheists in general.:)
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OpenMind;1330066 wrote:

Science at least provides evidence to back up its statements. Religion requires an utter belief and faith based on statements that have no evidence


Don't you mean no evidence that scientifically provable? I've just offered some evidence, but like God Himself, that evidence won't come to your door and knock so you won't believe it.

Science tries to understand HOW the Universe works.

Religion tries to understand WHY the Universe works.

You act as though they are mutually exclusive.
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beowulf;1330057 wrote: please dont presume you know better than me....


Unless you have died, left your body, and seen what I have seen, it is not a presumption, I do know more than you. All that is in question is what it means.And again, I don't feel sorry for you specifically, I am saddened that so many think there is no higher purpose or pattern to Creation, when you can see patterns all around you if you look. Especially if you look mathematically. The pattern implies the Creator.
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A quote attributed to Mother Teresa also lends some perspective:

In light of heaven, the worst suffering on earth, a life full of the most atrocious tortures on earth, will be seen to be no more serious than one night in an inconvenient hotel.
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Saint_;1330073 wrote: Unless you have died, left your body, and seen what I have seen, it is not a presumption, I do know more than you. All that is in question is what it means.And again, I don't feel sorry for you specifically, I am saddened that so many think there is no higher purpose or pattern to Creation, when you can see patterns all around you if you look. Especially if you look mathematically. The pattern implies the Creator.


You've often stated on here that although you're religious you belived in evolution. Now you espouse that there is no higher pattern than Creation.

I do know more than you.


Beowulf said please dont presume you know better than me.... thats better not more. You know very well that he (and I) didnt need any moral lessons from yourself

I can live very happily and fulfilled without the proselytising of both yourself nor indeed the awful Mother Teresa but if its soundbites we like I have a few of my own

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Saint_;1330072 wrote: Don't you mean no evidence that scientifically provable? I've just offered some evidence, but like God Himself, that evidence won't come to your door and knock so you won't believe it.

Science tries to understand HOW the Universe works.

Religion tries to understand WHY the Universe works.

You act as though they are mutually exclusive.


Please point me to this evidence you supplied again. I don't recall you actually providing any real evidence so far.
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OpenMind;1330085 wrote: Please point me to this evidence you supplied again. I don't recall you actually providing any real evidence so far.


The evidence of my story, which of course you deny because it doesn't fit your definition of 'real." That is the single reason you are an atheist, an inability to believe in anything that doesn't fit your definition. My point is that your definition is flawed.
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Saint_;1330086 wrote: The evidence of my story, which of course you deny because it doesn't fit your definition of 'real." That is the single reason you are an atheist, an inability to believe in anything that doesn't fit your definition. My point is that your definition is flawed.


Your definition is flawed



Being an athiest is not an INABILITY to believe, its a conclusion one reaches when thought and reason supercede what one is told to believe regardless. It doesnt prevent YOU from believing but it should allow ME the freedom not to
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I also have had an out of body experience and seen the back of my head. My Mother has had an out of body experience and didn't presume a god existed as a result. Many people have had near death experiences quite different to what you experienced, Saint, and they have decided that they had a spiritual experience that proves that there is a heaven or an afterworld.

No one has successfully studied what happens to the brain as it dies or how death affects the senses and the brain's perceptions. There is no proof that there is an afterworld or that god exists.

Further, I find that my belief is far greater than the one offered by any religion. What I believe in is infinite.
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Snowfire;1330087 wrote: thought and reason supercede By relying only on thought and reason you leave no room for the unreasonable. See? :D
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OpenMind;1330090 wrote: I also have had an out of body experience and seen the back of my head. There is no proof that there is an afterworld...


You contradict yourself by stating that you have been in the afterworld but that there isn't such a thing... in the same paragraph.

Well, it's been fun, but I've got to go now, I have work to do. I really didn't think to sway any opinions here, merely point out how I, myself, know that there is a God. No hard feelings.:D
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Saint_;1330102 wrote: By relying only on thought and reason you leave no room for the unreasonable. See? :D


I'm struggling with the logic in that one too. So, no I don't see
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Saint_;1330103 wrote: You contradict yourself by stating that you have been in the afterworld but that there isn't such a thing... in the same paragraph.

Well, it's been fun, but I've got to go now, I have work to do. I really didn't think to sway any opinions here, merely point out how I, myself, know that there is a God. No hard feelings.:D


I said nothing of experiencing the afterworld. Look again.
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Looking at this from a different perspective, do we really know that this world we live in exists? Or is it perhaps just a collection of beliefs to which most of us subscribe and hence make it real?

Just a musing...:)
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That's a very philosophical musing Theia . :)
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fuzzywuzzy;1330119 wrote: That's a very philosophical musing Theia . :)


Tis a bit, isn't it Fuzzy, especially for late on a sunday night :-2 :)
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Saint, I think your story is fascinating. One of my brothers said he had an out-of-body experience several years ago. He isn't religious at all and didn't know what to make of it but he was very clear about describing it and knowing that he was not asleep. I think perhaps I had one when I was about 10 years old and running a high fever. I have since attempted to induce one, during a time I was dabbling in strange phenomena and I had a somewhat frightening experience so I never tried it again.

Years ago while viewing the body of a dear friend, in a funeral home, I had a very clear thought that the dynamic energy that had once been her in life, had to have gone somewhere, that it had merely changed form or moved elsewhere. I had the same thought about myself the other day, that if my physical body should suddenly stop breathing, that my consciousness must survive. What does a scientist say about the energy or force that makes us what we are?
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theia;1330114 wrote: Looking at this from a different perspective, do we really know that this world we live in exists? Or is it perhaps just a collection of beliefs to which most of us subscribe and hence make it real?

Just a musing...:)


There are schools of thought that believe that I (or you) am the only one for whom the world exists. I forget from Philosophy 101, which school that is, but I get to be "IT". :o

This is not exactly what I was looking for but . . .« Moving ForwardChristian Lite »I Am (is) God

Published on June 25, 2008 in Beyond Theism and Daily Commentary. 0 Comments If one doesn’t use ancient King James religious language, some Christians will label you a heretic or maybe a member of a cult organization. The religious definition of a cult is anyone who has ideas that don’t agree with yours. Thus, the world is full of cults. But, I digress. God has a NAME and it’s not God, it’s I AM!

Various cultures name God based on their religious traditions. This Creator of the universe is called God by Christians, Yahweh by Jews, Allah by Muslims, Vishnu by Hindus, and so on. But, in reality, God’s name and more importantly, His nature, is I AM. Admittedly, it takes some time (a lot of time for most) to get the concept down.

In the Christian text (Exodus 3), Moses is being commissioned by this God and he wants to know who he can tell the people it was that has sent him. God says, “I AM that I AM. Tell them that I AM has sent you to them. I’m sure Moses stood with his mouth wide open in disbelief. So, God added, “I AM is my name FOREVER: this is my title in EVERY generation.

Okay now. What’s all this mean? What’s the esoteric meaning here?

We are one with I AM. We cannot separate ourselves from I AM which is our essential being and nature. In the film and book, the “Moses Code there’s this secret (so they say) that’s in the form of a comma! I am THAT (comma), I AM. I am what? I AM whatever I AM looking at. I AM whatever I AM feeling. I AM my imagination which is more than mind, more than my conscious thoughts.

Since ALL the world is connected, I AM whatever it is I see.

Too many see poverty, lack, and fear. All of these are things that come from WITHIN so in order to change from fear to faith is by way of a SUBJECTIVE appropriation of the OBJECTIVE hope. We lvie inside out. I AM that (add a feeling and a thing here) and after casting your bread (thoughts) on the water for a season, it will come back to you.

Spirit, Consciousness, Christ, God, and I AM are ONE! Are you BEING?

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We are one with I AM. We cannot separate ourselves from I AM which is our essential being and nature. In the film and book, the “Moses Code” there’s this secret (so they say) that’s in the form of a comma! I am THAT (comma), I AM. I am what? I AM whatever I AM looking at. I AM whatever I AM feeling. I AM my imagination which is more than mind, more than my conscious thoughts.


more philosophical musings .....suddenly this thread just got interesting.
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Saint_;1330072 wrote: I've just offered some evidence




That was an anecdote from a person that according to same anecdote, was in an extreme state of distress and fell heavily to the floor.

I'm pleased you are feeling better, and you are free to believe what you like, but using it to club those who do not believe the same things won't pass muster as "evidence".

Saint_;1330072 wrote: but like God Himself, that evidence won't come to your door and knock so you won't believe it.




Nor will the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, or Santa Claus, but stories abound about them.
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Saint_;1330072 wrote: Science tries to understand HOW the Universe works.

Religion tries to understand WHY the Universe works.


Let's dissect this a bit so we can get a better understanding most everyone's sentiment.

"Science tries to understand HOW the Universe works" is equal to "Science asks HOW the religious works"

in the same...

"Religion tries to understand WHY the Universe works" is equal to "Religion asks WHY atheists work("work in this context is to achieve scientific fact)"

As you can see each question is backed by a presumed offense while none was intended. It appears as such because of the fact both retain different beliefs. The mere existence of a meat eater is enough to send a gazelle in a cataclysmic **** fit

You eat meat do you not Saint?

My personal observations have rendered me of the sense the religious like to invent what they can in order to appear more self assured. Why in the world is there so many different religions as well as septs of religions if "God" divinely existed as the individuals involved exclaim? It's not a logical equation to have "One true God" yet hundreds to thousands of different "religions", it's the order of business to sell people products and religion is the best selling novel. What's bad is to see people grow up with this crap beat into peoples' heads for so long they automatically feel of a horses rear end in the thought they might denounce what they've seemingly practiced their entire life.

People that speak of nobility, honor, and love is very respectable in mind but when people take the concept of religion literally it patronizes, insults, and creates isolationism that which the only result of it cannot equate to anything remotely good ironically enough.

No matter how insulted you might feel by someone suggesting there is no "God" the most intelligent response is one of empathy followed by a very well organized paper explaining what you know to be true as opposed to what you wish to convince us is true but those two variables couldn't be further from exclusive.

What creates a more generalized viewpoint is the fact that science has published many works that can and should be embraced as truth and religion as a whole gets pi**y about it because it completely obliterates a part of religious logic so much so it has to make an enemy of science in order to save what it had worked for for quite a long time. Creationism is enough to prove my point and is equally as relevant as a moon sized pile of a rather stout but rather cooperative horse's fecal matter.

Saint, I encourage you to pick up a good astronomy book and pay attention to the historical points within it. Quite alot of them speak of history and the implications behind science and religion that would serve to give you quite alot of perspective not just in how to, at the very least, remain intellectually independent, but in how to approach and deal with people that really don't care about there own titles but rather choose not to hear quite alot of garbage in response to thousands of years of intellectual oppression.
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theia;1330114 wrote: Looking at this from a different perspective, do we really know that this world we live in exists? Or is it perhaps just a collection of beliefs to which most of us subscribe and hence make it real?

Just a musing...:)


The Schrodinger's cat experiment shows that all possible conditions exist together. Like naughty children, particles only misbehave when you're not looking.

Another term, used in psychology, is the social construction of reality. Though this is to do with perception at the end of the day. Language is also shaped by our perceptions as it has to encompass what we want to express.
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ZAP;1330121 wrote: Saint, I think your story is fascinating. One of my brothers said he had an out-of-body experience several years ago. He isn't religious at all and didn't know what to make of it but he was very clear about describing it and knowing that he was not asleep. I think perhaps I had one when I was about 10 years old and running a high fever. I have since attempted to induce one, during a time I was dabbling in strange phenomena and I had a somewhat frightening experience so I never tried it again.

Years ago while viewing the body of a dear friend, in a funeral home, I had a very clear thought that the dynamic energy that had once been her in life, had to have gone somewhere, that it had merely changed form or moved elsewhere. I had the same thought about myself the other day, that if my physical body should suddenly stop breathing, that my consciousness must survive. What does a scientist say about the energy or force that makes us what we are?


I have no problem with death. I have deduced that our experience of life is the sum total of our senses and nothing more. When the senses stop working, we can no longer experience being alive. The particles that make up my body still exist but can no longer hold themselves in an arrangement that can sustain life.

To suggest that there is another 'spiritual' body contained within the physical body is to imply that two objects can occupy the same space. As far as I can tell, this is impossible. For a spiritual body to exist, it has to contain particles. Everything that exists in life has to have particles to make it possible. But no more than one particle can occupy any one point in space.

As for energy, everything is energy. Every particle that exists is full of energy, it can't exist without it. Just because a pavement slab is inert does not mean it has no energy.

What I have a problem with is the point of it. In terms of the duration of the universe, I cannot see the point of such a personal experience of being which amounts to nothing but a flash of light from a struck match in terms of the universe. Perhaps this is why people have gone to such extremes as creating an afterlife.

I cannot provide a firm answer but there is one possibility. However, it is only a theory and not worth stating here.
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ZAP;1330126 wrote: There are schools of thought that believe that I (or you) am the only one for whom the world exists. I forget from Philosophy 101, which school that is, but I get to be "IT". :o

This is not exactly what I was looking for but . . .« Moving ForwardChristian Lite »I Am (is) God

Published on June 25, 2008 in Beyond Theism and Daily Commentary. 0 Comments If one doesn’t use ancient King James religious language, some Christians will label you a heretic or maybe a member of a cult organization. The religious definition of a cult is anyone who has ideas that don’t agree with yours. Thus, the world is full of cults. But, I digress. God has a NAME and it’s not God, it’s I AM!

Various cultures name God based on their religious traditions. This Creator of the universe is called God by Christians, Yahweh by Jews, Allah by Muslims, Vishnu by Hindus, and so on. But, in reality, God’s name and more importantly, His nature, is I AM. Admittedly, it takes some time (a lot of time for most) to get the concept down.

In the Christian text (Exodus 3), Moses is being commissioned by this God and he wants to know who he can tell the people it was that has sent him. God says, “I AM that I AM. Tell them that I AM has sent you to them. I’m sure Moses stood with his mouth wide open in disbelief. So, God added, “I AM is my name FOREVER: this is my title in EVERY generation.

Okay now. What’s all this mean? What’s the esoteric meaning here?

We are one with I AM. We cannot separate ourselves from I AM which is our essential being and nature. In the film and book, the “Moses Code there’s this secret (so they say) that’s in the form of a comma! I am THAT (comma), I AM. I am what? I AM whatever I AM looking at. I AM whatever I AM feeling. I AM my imagination which is more than mind, more than my conscious thoughts.

Since ALL the world is connected, I AM whatever it is I see.

Too many see poverty, lack, and fear. All of these are things that come from WITHIN so in order to change from fear to faith is by way of a SUBJECTIVE appropriation of the OBJECTIVE hope. We lvie inside out. I AM that (add a feeling and a thing here) and after casting your bread (thoughts) on the water for a season, it will come back to you.

Spirit, Consciousness, Christ, God, and I AM are ONE! Are you BEING?

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Zap, you might find "I Am That" by Nisargadatta Maharaj interesting
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OpenMind;1330207 wrote: I have no problem with death. I have deduced that our experience of life is the sum total of our senses and nothing more. When the senses stop working, we can no longer experience being alive. The particles that make up my body still exist but can no longer hold themselves in an arrangement that can sustain life.

To suggest that there is another 'spiritual' body contained within the physical body is to imply that two objects can occupy the same space. As far as I can tell, this is impossible. For a spiritual body to exist, it has to contain particles. Everything that exists in life has to have particles to make it possible. But no more than one particle can occupy any one point in space.

As for energy, everything is energy. Every particle that exists is full of energy, it can't exist without it. Just because a pavement slab is inert does not mean it has no energy.

What I have a problem with is the point of it. In terms of the duration of the universe, I cannot see the point of such a personal experience of being which amounts to nothing but a flash of light from a struck match in terms of the universe. Perhaps this is why people have gone to such extremes as creating an afterlife.

I cannot provide a firm answer but there is one possibility. However, it is only a theory and not worth stating here.


Why not, Open...it would be fascinating to read.
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Saint_;1330035 wrote: I am pretty saddened by the aggressive and depressing atheists we have around here. What's worse, I know for a fact that they don't really know what they're talking about. They're like water-haters who have never been swimming, decrying the evil of water and never realizing their bodies are made up of the stuff.(Hmmm...great analogy, I'll have to remember that one!)



And it is your egotistical hubris and overbearing self-love that causes you to turn your back on the beauty of Creation and it's Creator. You believe you are the end-all of being, I believe in something greater which naturally challenges your belief.

This isn't a debate that I actually have to win. Time will do that for me. I know that you will believe in God for real...right after you die. The old saying that "There aren't any atheists in foxholes," may or may not be true, but there sure aren't any atheists in the afterlife.

Here's how I know for a fact that they are all wrong and that there is life after death:

For a year, I was getting sicker. The doctors couldn't figure it out. I felt like I was filled with wet cement, I was getting stiffer and stiffer, and the pain was incredible. (They tell me now that it compares to childbirth) By the time the year was up, I literally couldn't walk. I had to use a cane and I could barely shuffle, and if I sat down, I couldn't get up. I was even beginning to have trouble focusing my eyes. Since I couldn't eat due to the pain, I had lost over 70 lbs. and looked like a Holocaust survivor. My friends told me I looked like a living skeleton.

One night, about midnight, I woke with a terrible feeling. I was sick! Something was desperately wrong with me! Not just the pain I had been feeling, but something much, much worse! I tried to call out to my wife, but my voice wouldn't work. I fell out of the bed and managed to crawl upwards to a standing position using the dresser handles. As I stood there holding on to the dresser, suddenly... I was outside my body!

I was standing behind myself. I could see the back of my own head. And that's weird, because usually you don't get to see that angle. I was looking at the curls that I have back there and my first thought was, "Geez, I need a haircut."

Then, my body lost its hold on the dresser, fingernails scratching the top as the body collapsed heavily to the floor in a heap. It didn't even try to catch itself. It hit hard and bounced a little. I stood there shocked thinking, "Wow, that looked like it hurt!"

Then I realized it... I was outside my body. The recognition was instant and hit me like a wave. Suddenly, I was afraid to move. I felt like I might pop myself like a soap bubble. I turned my "head" slowly to the left... the room was quiet. My wife was still in the bed, sleeping softly. A feeling washed over me. It was a feeling of calm and peace. I was so relieved, I felt great! I wasn't hot or cold, I felt good all over and most of all, the pain of my body was completely gone, I thought, "Oh, that feels so much better!" (I hadn't truly realized just how much pain I had been in until it was lifted.) I felt like someone had rolled a Volkswagon off of me.

Then I saw them....

They looked a lot like candle flames, larger at the bottom and tapering to a smaller and rounded top, but not flickering at all, just softly glowing a warm, white light. They were a little bigger than a football, some were slightly bigger than the rest and they were hovering all around the room at various heights.

I kept scanning and noticed that they were also out on the lawn, and in the street. Through the trees, I could see that they were even on the next block. There were thousands of them! That's when I suddenly realized I was looking right through the wall! Now, you have to understand, this was not some hazy, out of focus vision. Everything was crystal clear. The details of the room were crisp, even more than normal; my sight seemed to have improved.

I realized that these were people, and that they were my people. I wonder, "Why do I have so many people?" The answer came to me as a thought, "Down the generations I got it right away, a family goes back in time thousands of years, these were all my people from all time.

For what seemed like an eternity, I stood there, feeling the cool night air and drinking in the sensation of being free of the pain. Strangest of all, I wasn't breathing, but I didn't feel the building pressure of holding my breath. I just didn't need to breathe. I wasn't hungry, thirsty, or anything else in fact. Funny thing that.

The little candles flames did nothing however. They seemed to be waiting for something. They told me, "We are waiting," and I felt a great love coming from them.

I looked to my left slowly, to see my body huddled on the floor motionless. The next second there was a flash of light and BAM! I was back in my body. I was completely disoriented and it took a second for me to realized where I was. The angle was strange since I was on the floor on my side and I could see under the bed. The room was very dark again. I realized I was back in my body. My first thought was, "Damn! That DID hurt!" My body was aching in a hundred places from the fall and the pain had viciously returned.

My wife heard my moans and woke up. I told her to take me to the hospital and with great effort we managed to drag my body to the car and drive to the hospital.

The doctors told me that I had had a "coronary incident" and that my heart had stopped beating for as much as two minutes. (I didn't suffer any brain damage, though, since I'm an avid swimmer, and can hold my breath easily for that amount of time.) Since I had technically "died", they decided there might actually be something wrong with me.

They ran 300 blood tests, every one in the book. When they came back the answer was as clear as a bell...RA. Rheumatoid Arthritis, the worst kind. It's not just an inflammation of the joints; it's the exact opposite of AIDS and in the old days, every bit as lethal. My own white blood cells could no longer tell the difference between bad bacteria and my own tissues. They were literally eating me alive.

Once they got to the internal organs, I suffered the heart attack. It was no problem after that, a dose of steroids, an autoimmune suppressor and I was literally dancing a jig (on atrophied muscles) by the end of the day.

I'm back to normal now, a strapping, barrel-chested 230 lbs. I can swim, run a short distance, and I'm even hoping to ski again next year. But I'm changed in a big way. I really never took life for granted, I always knew that every day was precious, but now it's not an abstract concept to me. I smell the flowers. I ride my bike, I make sure to kiss my girl and tell her I love her every day. I made a tire swing for my grandchildren and I swing in it myself every chance I get.

I was certainly never afraid of death, but it's different now. I find it of infinite comfort to know that you don't cease to exist when your body dies. I had faith before, but it's infinitely stronger now. God was very kind to me for some reason.

I guess I still have something to do here! :o


I'm glad your faith gives you comfort. I'm also glad you accepted scientific theory and the research that made all the drugs and knowledge possible that saved your life. Once not so long ago those same doctors that treated you and apparently brought you back from the dead would have been condemned as witches by the religious establishment and for interfering with the will of god. You died, that was god's will you have gone against him.

You are right, out of body experiences are quite common throughout the world, why is it astral projection or out of body experiences when it happens accidentally, is the work of god but when sought deliberately (for example by "new age" practitioners or yogis in India) is the work of the occult?

Your proof of life after death and of god is just that - it's yours - it proves nothing to anyone else.

Why does what atheists believe or not believe make any difference to your faith? You are not obliged to change of you do not wish to. Yet I live in a world where the religious not only demand that their religious beliefs be respected but that others be forced if not to join in believing exactly the same but that no one may question their beliefs and they are gaining in strength and becoming more assertive. Personally I find that depressing that as after the millions that have died to make us free the war against religion seems to be starting up again. name one conflict in the world today that does not have religion as part of the cause.

You post about how you are saddened by aggressive atheists and then tell a story that no one can verify is true demanding to be taken seriously and then take scepticism as aggression.

Be happy in your faith and be grateful you believe in a religion where being happy is OK. For there are many who believe man was not out on the earth to be happy and suffering is the true path to paradise. Also be grateful you live in a secular society where you are not persecuted for believing in the "wrong" faith.

Generally speaking - and you should have got the point by now. Most atheist and non-believers have come to that conclusion by thinking for themselves. By contrast many fundamentalist Christian and Moslem seem to know little beyond their own narrow life an education. They have been taught the bible is all they need to know and not to question, so they don't.

And it is your egotistical hubris and overbearing self-love that causes you to turn your back on the beauty of Creation and it's Creator. You believe you are the end-all of being, I believe in something greater which naturally challenges your belief.


You have the arrogance to assume that god has revealed himself to you and you have all the answers. You comfort yourself by convincing yourself those who do not share that belief have decided that they are the end of all being. Where does that one come from? I have yet to meet an atheist or non religious person that actually thinks that, it's usually an open question we really don't know the meaning of life the universe and everything they do, however, reject the answers offered by religion. Being an avowed atheist or agnostic is not a statement of belief in another type of religion it means that you don't believe there is a god behind it all. Who made god? That he is and always shall be is not an answer.

If your faith is strong why are you so bothered if not all share it and try to silence them?

Incidentally it's nice to see you starting a thread like this. We non believers tend to just end up agreeing with each other. You learn most when you talk to people you don't agree with.
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theia;1330211 wrote:

Why not, Open...it would be fascinating to read.


Just for you then, Theia.

The theory is that the universe is actually a string (as of cosmic strings which is what particles are said to be) and consists mostly of a vibrational energy. The vibration would mean that the universe consistently recycles or repeats itself. External influences may mean that the harmonies are modified continuously but, otherwise, the string would keep the same harmonics.

Thus, it is possible that when I die, I will come alive again in the next cycle. I may not even notice the period in between when I did not exist.

Rather far-fetched but the idea that the univesre is a string has been posed by greater minds than mine.
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OpenMind;1330236 wrote: Just for you then, Theia.

The theory is that the universe is actually a string (as of cosmic strings which is what particles are said to be) and consists mostly of a vibrational energy. The vibration would mean that the universe consistently recycles or repeats itself. External influences may mean that the harmonies are modified continuously but, otherwise, the string would keep the same harmonics.

Thus, it is possible that when I die, I will come alive again in the next cycle. I may not even notice the period in between when I did not exist.Rather far-fetched but the idea that the univesre is a string has been posed by greater minds than mine.


That really makes you think and wonder, doesn't it?

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OpenMind;1330236 wrote: Just for you then, Theia.

The theory is that the universe is actually a string (as of cosmic strings which is what particles are said to be) and consists mostly of a vibrational energy. The vibration would mean that the universe consistently recycles or repeats itself. External influences may mean that the harmonies are modified continuously but, otherwise, the string would keep the same harmonics.

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Thus, it is possible that when I die, I will come alive again in the next cycle. I may not even notice the period in between when I did not exist.

Rather far-fetched but the idea that the univesre is a string has been posed by greater minds than mine.


Thank you! And thank you, Theia for urging OpenMind to be open. That is a well-stated, concise version of random thoughts that flit through my mind at times
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Wow.....I love these discussions !

Brought up a Christian............ am interested and believe in the scientific proof of evolution........try to live my life by own responsibility...... believe in Buddhist faith ..... tend to believe in 'out of body experiences...... everyone to their own thuoghts and beliefs as long as they respect others ....be kind to each other
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Bez;1330265 wrote: Wow.....I love these discussions !

Brought up a Christian............ am interested and believe in the scientific proof of evolution........try to live my life by own responsibility...... believe in Buddhist faith ..... tend to believe in 'out of body experiences...... everyone to their own thuoghts and beliefs as long as they respect others ....be kind to each other


Amen to that! :)
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I agree with Bez it doesn't matter what you believe, or don't believe. What matters is how we treat each other now regardless of what happens after we die. That has never been that important to me dead is dead. I want to be the best person I can be now. To each his own works for me, always has.
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theia;1330247 wrote: That really makes you think and wonder, doesn't it?

And thank you.


You're welcome, Theia.

Thank you! And thank you, Theia for urging OpenMind to be open. That is a well-stated, concise version of random thoughts that flit through my mind at times


Zap, you must be as mad as I am. :wah:

The one thing that bothered me was the fact that in the lifetime of this universe, I am nothing but a brief and very faint flicker of light. Yet, the experience is so very personal.

I am sure that many people, through the ages, have pondered the same question and hence, religious theories have been developed to make sense of it. A heaven, an afterlife, a spirit world, and so on.

When a body dies, is there an essential part of the person that leaves the body. If so, it has to be created at that point in time. If spirit bodies do exist, they also have to made up of particles. But the particles making up two bodies cannot occupy the same space.

I do know that our experiences of life are defined by and confined to the five senses and the brain. Is there another sensation that cannot be attributed to these? From my point of view, when these senses fade and die, our bodies die, and we cease to be. What would any essence of us have to experience with after our bodies die?

I believe that out of body experiences are manifested in the mind. Lots of people have had these experiences and believe they have had a paranormal experience. Yet, the brain is a very powerful thing and can create extremely believable images. A simple experiment has been conducted in that the astral body has to read a sign on a high shelf to prove their experience. To the best of my knowledge, this has not been achieved.
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Bez;1330265 wrote: Wow.....I love these discussions !

Brought up a Christian............ am interested and believe in the scientific proof of evolution........try to live my life by own responsibility...... believe in Buddhist faith ..... tend to believe in 'out of body experiences...... everyone to their own thuoghts and beliefs as long as they respect others ....be kind to each other


Bez, you are absolutely right. A community where the people get on and treat each other kindly is a happy and thriving community. This is simple common sense.

Tell me though, is it Buddhism where the adherents can attempt to escape the cycle of life?
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OpenMind;1330271 wrote: You're welcome, Theia.



Zap, you must be as mad as I am. :wah:

The one thing that bothered me was the fact that in the lifetime of this universe, I am nothing but a brief and very faint flicker of light. Yet, the experience is so very personal.

I am sure that many people, through the ages, have pondered the same question and hence, religious theories have been developed to make sense of it. A heaven, an afterlife, a spirit world, and so on.

When a body dies, is there an essential part of the person that leaves the body. If so, it has to be created at that point in time. If spirit bodies do exist, they also have to made up of particles. But the particles making up two bodies cannot occupy the same space.

I do know that our experiences of life are defined by and confined to the five senses and the brain. Is there another sensation that cannot be attributed to these? From my point of view, when these senses fade and die, our bodies die, and we cease to be. What would any essence of us have to experience with after our bodies die?

I believe that out of body experiences are manifested in the mind. Lots of people have had these experiences and believe they have had a paranormal experience. Yet, the brain is a very powerful thing and can create extremely believable images. A simple experiment has been conducted in that the astral body has to read a sign on a high shelf to prove their experience. To the best of my knowledge, this has not been achieved.


Sometimes it seems so exciting to consider that maybe we are just a momentary flicker of light around which we construct our stories of life.
Live the questions now. Perhaps you will then gradually, without noticing it, live along some distant day into the answers...Rainer Maria Rilke
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theia;1330274 wrote: Sometimes it seems so exciting to consider that maybe we are just a momentary flicker of light around which we construct our stories of life.


Oh, Theia. Do you know? I firmly believe that children have it spot on. After all, what is their sole purpose in life if it's not to have fun. I am sure our childhoods would last a lot longer if society was not structured as it is.

When I am with my daughter, I find myself reliving my own happy childhood days.
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OpenMind;1330294 wrote: Oh, Theia. Do you know? I firmly believe that children have it spot on. After all, what is their sole purpose in life if it's not to have fun. I am sure our childhoods would last a lot longer if society was not structured as it is.

When I am with my daughter, I find myself reliving my own happy childhood days.


I do know, OpenMind...I can remember what my children were like and now I can see it in one of my two granddaughters who is just six months old. It's an uncluttered and magical and, well, more real time.
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I have been thinking about writing a book called "Sex After Death" or How to Get Laid in a Coffin. :wah:
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Theia It's an uncluttered and magical and, well, more real time.


More real. I like that.:)

Lon I have been thinking about writing a book called "Sex After Death" or How to Get Laid in a Coffin.


How about "Circumcision for Male Apparitions" and "How to Convert Your Coffin into an Astral Plane". :wah:
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