Islam. Religion of peace

[hoppy]

Seven year old bboy executed for spying.

Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying - CNN.com

[Snowfire]

Its dreadful. Absolutely horrifying. But do you really think its representative of the Muslim faith ?

Its not represtentative of the few muslims I have ever known. The Taliban seem to be a different breed of Muslims, far more extreme than the norm

[gmc]

Religious extremists of whatever religion are capable of the most appalling acts morally sanctioned by their religion. Mind you slaughtering children is not an exclusive activity of muslims just have a look at Rwanda or sierra leone, come to think of it the nazis weren't muslim either.

[Bill Sikes]

gmc;1315108 wrote: Mind you slaughtering children is not an exclusive activity of muslims ... come to think of it the nazis weren't muslim either.


Were the Nazis religious at all?

[freetobeme]

Some might have been, but not likely, they thought they were God, no one else was above them.

According to Wikki:

Goebbels notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The Führer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay

[gmc]

Bill Sikes;1315109 wrote: Were the Nazis religious at all?


Germany was catholic and protestant most of the guards would have been members of either a catholic or a protestant church. It's inconceivable that without two thousand years of systematic christian anti-semitism there would have been such animosity and hatred against the jews so in a very real sense you can make a case that the holocaust was a religiously inspired atrocity. Hitler was a cathiolic though whether he remained one is a moot point but certainly most of them would have been religious in one way or another. There were chapels for the guards at the camps - I think - I would need to check that. It's easy to claim they were godless buit sadly the worst atrocities are often commuted by the godly.

[LarsMac]

gmc;1315137 wrote: Germany was catholic and protestant most of the guards would have been members of either a catholic or a protestant church. It's inconceivable that without two thousand years of systematic christian anti-semitism there would have been such animosity and hatred against the jews so in a very real sense you can make a case that the holocaust was a religiously inspired atrocity. Hitler was a cathiolic though whether he remained one is a moot point but certainly most of them would have been religious in one way or another. There were chapels for the guards at the camps - I think - I would need to check that. It's easy to claim they were godless buit sadly the worst atrocities are often commuted by the godly.


While many of the German soldiers held religious beliefs, I am sure, the Nazis where not known to have any actual religious justification for what they were doing.

Remember that they imprisoned Catholics, Protestants, and Jews, as well as Gypsies, and anyone who disagreed with them, regardless of creed or color.

Also, Stalin was raised in the church, as was Hitler, but I doubt you could pin the millions of dead in the Soviet Union during his reign on his religious beliefs.

Compared to those two, all the killings attributed to religious wars amount to little.

[Lon]

hoppy;1315104 wrote: Seven year old bboy executed for spying.

Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying - CNN.com


What would Muhammad say about this?

[spot]

Does anyone remember the Kuwaiti Incubator Lie? This has all the same feel to it. It's more likely to be a sign of desperation on the part of the occupiers than truth. Simply swallowing it before any independent examination is wilful blindness, given the lies that have been used in the recent past to bias world opinion against "enemies".

[Odie]

hoppy;1315104 wrote: Seven year old bboy executed for spying.

Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying - CNN.com


and just who persuaded the 7 year old to spy?:-5

This is beyond tragic, my god, I despise their so called faith:rolleyes:



execute the men who deserve this.

[spot]

And what makes you believe the report's true, Odie?

The UK Prime Minister, for example, is quoted as saying "If this is true, it is an absolutely horrific crime". So it is, if it's true, but you'll notice how carefully he qualifies his comment. The other side of the coin is that if it's not true, it's not an absolutely horrific crime at all, it's propaganda.

[Nomad]

hoppy;1315104 wrote: Seven year old bboy executed for spying.



Officials: Taliban executes boy, 7, for spying - CNN.com


Islam:Religion of peace

Boy executed for spying



What does one have to do with the other?

Have you EVER considered observing the entire picture before you throw down blanket statements implying things not based on anything other than your bias or inability to process information?

In most instances theres a beginning, a middle and an end. Then lots of gray areas between that. You present one statement marrying it to Islam in general and when you do that you represent yourself as a person with an extremely limited ability to comprehend world events, human nature, cultures, other viewpoints, an understanding that most issues are not narrow but usually very broad ones with complex and multi faceted intricacies involved.

Why must you continually choose to be so narrow minded?

[Odie]

spot;1315163 wrote: And what makes you believe the report's true, Odie?




and what makes you think reports are true spot, and you always insist on a link, which is just more reports?

[spot]

Odie;1315167 wrote: and what makes you think reports are true spot, and you always insist on a link, which is just more reports?


Credibility and judgement, Odie. Organizations like Amnesty International have credibility, people like Hamid Karzai don't. You need to ask yourself whether they have a vested interest in lying. Amnesty International would be ruined by a failure to accurately assess and report, Hamid Karzai and others like him do it to limp on another few months in office.

[Odie]

spot;1315169 wrote: Credibility and judgement, Odie. Organizations like Amnesty International have credibility, people like Hamid Karzai don't. You need to ask yourself whether they have a vested interest in lying. Amnesty International would be ruined by a failure to accurately assess and report, Hamid Karzai and others like him do it to limp on another few months in office.


There are many organizations that have a vested interest in lying, news reporters etc who stretch the truth or lye just to get their story on the front page to make money.

[spot]

Odie;1315172 wrote: There are many organizations that have a vested interest in lying, news reporters etc who stretch the truth or lye just to get their story on the front page to make money.


That is very very true, Odie, but even you surely recognize it has bugger all to do with what I wrote.

[K.Snyder]

gmc;1315137 wrote: Germany was catholic and protestant most of the guards would have been members of either a catholic or a protestant church. It's inconceivable that without two thousand years of systematic christian anti-semitism there would have been such animosity and hatred against the jews so in a very real sense you can make a case that the holocaust was a religiously inspired atrocity. Hitler was a cathiolic though whether he remained one is a moot point but certainly most of them would have been religious in one way or another. There were chapels for the guards at the camps - I think - I would need to check that. It's easy to claim they were godless buit sadly the worst atrocities are often commuted by the godly.


If religion didn't exist then we'd still see killings of mass proportion only claimed to be the derivative of religion due to it's inescapable definition. Religion has to exist because it does. There is no future so "blame" is of irrelevancy. Eating dinner to survive becomes a religious viewpoint, we've just seen the progression of religion so much so we ignore the fact it's always existed and always will. Religion has nothing to do with anything. Individuals that go against divine righteousness will always be seen as religious because no one would disagree with their actions had religion not been involved. What would be evident, if this weren't true, is a complete murder fest by everyone not understanding why they engage in it

[Bill Sikes]

Snowfire;1315106 wrote: Absolutely horrifying. But do you really think its representative of the Muslim faith ?

Its not represtentative of the few muslims I have ever known. The Taliban seem to be a different breed of Muslims, far more extreme than the norm


I agree with this post - the vast majority of Muslims are ordinary people, who would not countenance such an action - extreme actions have been taken, mostly in the past, by many religions, including some who called themselves Christians. These Taliban don't necessarily act in unison anyway - the offenders could have been a simple gang of criminals acting in pursuit of their own purposes.

[DrLeftover]

"What would Muhammad say?"

OK...

Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight wi the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

There is other pleasantness in both the Qur'an itself and in the sayings of the Prophet The Hadith.

CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts

[hoppy]

Nomad;1315166 wrote: Islam:Religion of peace

Boy executed for spying



What does one have to do with the other?

Have you EVER considered observing the entire picture before you throw down blanket statements implying things not based on anything other than your bias or inability to process information?

In most instances theres a beginning, a middle and an end. Then lots of gray areas between that. You present one statement marrying it to Islam in general and when you do that you represent yourself as a person with an extremely limited ability to comprehend world events, human nature, cultures, other viewpoints, an understanding that most issues are not narrow but usually very broad ones with complex and multi faceted intricacies involved.

Why must you continually choose to be so narrow minded?


Have you EVER thought some post are meant to generate responses and/or ideas without a lot of BS from someone who has no thoughts or ideas?

[spot]

hoppy;1315558 wrote: Have you EVER thought some post are meant to generate responses and/or ideas without a lot of BS from someone who has no thoughts or ideas?


Hey, that's the site's pet you're kicking. Put it down, sir.

[Bryn Mawr]

hoppy;1315558 wrote: Have you EVER thought some post are meant to generate responses and/or ideas without a lot of BS from someone who has no thoughts or ideas?


I've CERTAINLY noticed that some posts are meant to provide propaganda and/or support for a fixated point of view using a lot of BS from someone who has no thought or ideas of the truth behind them.

[hoppy]

Bryn Mawr;1315755 wrote: I've CERTAINLY noticed that some posts are meant to provide propaganda and/or support for a fixated point of view using a lot of BS from someone who has no thought or ideas of the truth behind them.


Good for you.:p

[spot]

The Karzai propaganda about "Boy executed for spying" is evaporating from more current newspaper articles. Life under the Taliban: how a boy of seven was hanged to punish his family - Telegraph is a far more balanced background article. I'm still waiting for an accurate report of events to surface.