Here comes the OIL.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:00 am

As you all know i live in Lousiana. Well i have not turned on the news yet. I really don't want to see the effects the oil slick will have on the wildlife. Our Gov. Jendall has put in place a bill to stop price gouging. Any distaster that hits this area. there are those who want to be hungry wolves. taking advantage of those they can find to prey on.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:31 am

Watched the updates on the news this morning. According to the news, it's already hitting the wetlands. No doubt it will have an effect on your wildlife.

Gulf Coast fears 'disaster' as oil slick closes in - CNN.com

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:34 am

Wonder if that will change big "0"'s mind on offshore drilling?

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:36 am

At the rate it's escaping it'll take six months before it reaches the proportions of the big spill we had on the Scilly Isles. Besides it degrades in less than that time. Not that I'm unsympathetic but it's easy to blow things out of proportion and over-react.

The spill in the Scillies was British Petroleum too, by the way. If I were you I'd preemptively arrest their executives before they leave the country. Ours covered 270 square miles before the disaster was contained.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:44 am

hoppy;1306862 wrote: Wonder if that will change big "0"'s mind on offshore drilling?

White House Declares Halt on New Offshore Drilling

White House Declares Halt on New Offshore Drilling - AOL News

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:50 am

Mustang;1306866 wrote: White House Declares Halt on New Offshore Drilling
Given the extent that'll boost BP's profits from increased oil prices, you rather wonder how careful they were being not to spill any. They make a fortune every time there's a panic.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:08 am

ya, and they want to drill in Alaska??

The world needs to move away from its dependency on oil.

I am sorry for the pending disaster that is coming your way..

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:34 am

:-1This morning they stated the ECO system will take a major BLOW. starting with birds, then oysters, shrimp, and crabs, and sadly then the Dolphins and wales.

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Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:35 am

Who's "they"?

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:44 am

spot;1306891 wrote: Who's "they"?

"Experts". There is a never ending supply of 'em.:wah:

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:47 am

Then I hope they take the time to say that ecosystems invariably recover in pretty short order.

The number of "birds, oysters, shrimp, crabs, dolphins and whales" killed by the oil will be a damn sight fewer than the number eaten in any year by the population of New Orleans or Tokyo. Except, possibly, the dolphins.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:47 am

hoppy;1306893 wrote: "Experts". There is a never ending supply of 'em.:wah: TOOO many cheifs and not enough Indians

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:16 am

spot;1306863 wrote: it's easy to blow things out of proportion and over-react..

Over-react?!! I saw that thing on the news this morning and it looked like it was the size of Australia.

I sure will be glad when mankind moves beyond the Age of Oil. At the rate we are using it, that should be within 50 years.:-5

Post by **Peter Lake** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:22 am

spot;1306894 wrote: Then I hope they take the time to say that ecosystems invariably recover in pretty short order.

The number of "birds, oysters, shrimp, crabs, dolphins and whales" killed by the oil will be a damn sight fewer than the number eaten in any year by the population of New Orleans or Tokyo. Except, possibly, the dolphins.
You are correct there Spot. The river Wandle spillage is a classic example of how an ecosystem recovers in a very short time. Within eighteen months there was new growth and fish breeding in the river after experts declared the ecosystem as destroyed beyond hope.

BBC News - Thames Water fine for toxic spill in River Wandle cut

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:30 am

Clearly this is a gift from God. Free oil for everyone! Now I just need to figure out how to refine it.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:38 am

sounds like the Prez. has 2nd thoughts on going further on his oil plan. Wonder what changed his mind. Disaster, maybe????;)

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:21 pm

southern yankee;1306949 wrote: sounds like the Prez. has 2nd thoughts on going further on his oil plan. Wonder what changed his mind. Disaster, maybe????;)

What changed his mind? Easy. The number of votes he'll lose if he goes ahead with his drilling plan.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:44 pm

hoppy;1306977 wrote: What changed his mind? Easy. The number of votes he'll lose if he goes ahead with his drilling plan. Guess it's a popularity contest;)

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:09 pm

hoppy;1306977 wrote: What changed his mind? Easy. The number of votes he'll lose if he goes ahead with his drilling plan.

What? No snappy quotes about "drill baby drill" Republican policies, Hoppy?

Amythest · Post by **Amythest** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:49 pm

Hydrogen anyone?

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat May 01, 2010 4:49 am

Saint_;1306999 wrote: What? No snappy quotes about "drill baby drill" Republican policies, Hoppy?

I'm still awed by all the idiotic liberal responses I keep seeing here.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sat May 01, 2010 4:59 am

hoppy;1307163 wrote: I'm still awed by all the idiotic liberal responses I keep seeing here.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotflWhich ones are those, Hoppy? How about pointing them out?

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Sat May 01, 2010 6:24 am

Ahso!;1307176 wrote: Which ones are those, Hoppy? How about pointing them out?

Oh, get off it ahso. I'm not gonna dance around with you over every freakin silly-a$$ed coment you make.:p

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Sat May 01, 2010 6:45 am

Amythest;1307040 wrote: Hydrogen anyone?

Only if generated at point of use - far too difficult to store

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sat May 01, 2010 3:39 pm

BP was NOT prepared for anything even close to this. Sen. Vitter (La) said, BP should just get out of away.and just pick up the bill.

Post by **spot** » Sat May 01, 2010 4:08 pm

southern yankee;1307320 wrote: BP was NOT prepared for anything even close to this. Sen. Vitter (La) BP should just get out away.and just pick up the bill.

There's a hint of complacency in tonight's BBC report:it has emerged that BP last year downplayed the possibility of such a disaster at the offshore rig. In BP's 2009 exploration plan for the well, the firm suggested an oil spill was unlikely or virtually impossible, AP news agency reports.

BBC News - Weather hampers Gulf of Mexico oil slick clean-up

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sat May 01, 2010 4:45 pm

Bad news either way:

Gulf oil spill swiftly balloons, could move east - Yahoo! News

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:37 am

I heard its worse than the Exxon Valdez.

Which reminds me of a funny story. I was working at an Exxon station when that tragedy happened. One day shortly afterwards, a big lady was filling her tank and she took time out to loudly and stridently admonish me for "destroying the planet."

I told her, "Hey lady, you're the one who's filling a gas tank. I rode my bike to work today.":wah:

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:39 am

Saint_;1307459 wrote: I heard its worse than the Exxon Valdez.

Which reminds me of a funny story. I was working at an Exxon station when that tragedy happened. One day shortly afterwards, a big lady was filling her tank and she took time out to loudly and stridently admonish me for "destroying the planet."

I told her, "Hey lady, you're the one who's filling a gas tank. I rode my bike to work today.":wah:Sounds like the lady was thinking irrationally out of anger, huh!:)

Saint_ · Post by **Saint_** » Sun May 02, 2010 9:47 am

Oh-oh. Stop thread-stalking me, Ahso!:wah:

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sun May 02, 2010 2:30 pm

i heard that the smell is awful. like at the end of the Mississippi river. It is already CANCER alley between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. This should be great HELP there:mad::mad::-5:-5

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sun May 02, 2010 3:02 pm

southern yankee;1307502 wrote: i heard that the smell is awful. like at the end of the Mississippi river. It is already CANCER alley between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. This should be great HELP there:mad::mad::-5:-5

O M G, when will they put an end to this?:-5:-5

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Sun May 02, 2010 3:08 pm

Odie;1307521 wrote: O M G, when will they put an end to this?:-5:-5 could be months!!

:-5:-5

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Sun May 02, 2010 4:27 pm

Scrat;1307482 wrote: This would've happened eventually anywhere no matter how a rig is designed. What I want to know is why wasn't BP and the other concerned parties so ill prepared for this? I haven't seen many skimmers down there, what 3 or 4? after the Exxon Valdez why aren't we better prepared?

I recall environmentalists were not taken seriously.

Exxon won that last Supreme Court case, IIRC.

BP's job isn't to make oil, but money. So long as the cost of cleanup falls to the public sector, they are good. Now they have an excuse to raise their prices. Even if they are charged with cleaning up the mess, they'll just raise their prices more.

Free oil, higher profits, more drilling. Plus think of all jobs created to clean up the mess. It's a win-win for everyone! Well sort of.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Sun May 02, 2010 6:41 pm

Just another lie to "justify" increasing gas prices.

By August gasoline in America on average will be back up to $4/gal or more

Amythest · Post by **Amythest** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:29 am

Bryn Mawr;1307203 wrote: Only if generated at point of use - far too difficult to store

There are 13 test points ( fill up stations) in California right now. The dangers of hydrogen tchnology are Myths and scare tactics.

The only reason Hydrogen powered vehicles aren't the ONLY vehicles on the road today is because of the Oil Monopolies that are blocking it's inception. The same monoplies are blocking Hemp production.

"...They say you will not get enough BTU's from hydrogen or egas to push an ICE motor. They are right, Gasoline gets too hot, and 78% of the energy produced goes right out the exhaust pipe. A complete waste of energy is applied everyday we drive our present vehicles and also the heat contributes to the Global warming. With "On Board Electrolysis" with egas or supplied by hydrogen tanks, you don't need all this heat. What you need is strong combustion to push the piston down. Hydrogen is 2-1/2 times more combustion power than gasoline, with less heat!

The inventors below manage to propel a car on hydrogen, so can you. A trillion dollar industry awaits you. Many of the inventors lives were threatened. Yull Brown had shots fired into his kitchen, Stan Meyers was threatened and eventually poisoned, a few months Yull Brown dies of old age. . Andrija Puharich mysteriously fell down a flight of stairs. Carl Cella died in prison. Today their are way too many of us to control. The time is now.

Water Car Inventors

I don't buy any of the arguments against Hydrogen. Converting may create some risks ( but they aren't even close to the destruction Oil production creates) may close down the oil industry but now is the time to stop drilling and using oil.

There is enough non polluting renuable energy technologies to take the place of oil. People who care about this planet, and all life that resides on it, agree, and are making their voices heard.:-6

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Mon May 03, 2010 12:21 pm

Amythest;1307674 wrote: There are 13 test points ( fill up stations) in California right now. The dangers of hydrogen tchnology are Myths and scare tactics.

The only reason Hydrogen powered vehicles aren't the ONLY vehicles on the road today is because of the Oil Monopolies that are blocking it's inception. The same monoplies are blocking Hemp production.

"...They say you will not get enough BTU's from hydrogen or egas to push an ICE motor. They are right, Gasoline gets too hot, and 78% of the energy produced goes right out the exhaust pipe. A complete waste of energy is applied everyday we drive our present vehicles and also the heat contributes to the Global warming. With "On Board Electrolysis" with egas or supplied by hydrogen tanks, you don't need all this heat. What you need is strong combustion to push the piston down. Hydrogen is 2-1/2 times more combustion power than gasoline, with less heat!

The inventors below manage to propel a car on hydrogen, so can you. A trillion dollar industry awaits you. Many of the inventors lives were threatened. Yull Brown had shots fired into his kitchen, Stan Meyers was threatened and eventually poisoned, a few months Yull Brown dies of old age. . Andrija Puharich mysteriously fell down a flight of stairs. Carl Cella died in prison. Today their are way too many of us to control. The time is now.

Water Car Inventors

I don't buy any of the arguments against Hydrogen. Converting may create some risks ( but they aren't even close to the destruction Oil production creates) may close down the oil industry but now is the time to stop drilling and using oil.

There is enough non polluting renuable energy technologies to take the place of oil. People who care about this planet, and all life that resides on it, agree, and are making their voices heard.:-6

Most of that describes exactly what I said, generation at point of use, one method for which is on-board electrolysis. Main problem with this is that it takes more power to crack the water than you get by recombining the products.

Interested in the hydrogen fill up points in CA, how they work and who uses them. Main problem with the storage and transportation of hydrogen is that it leaks and to stop it takes a serious amount of kit.

The other problem is that to get anywhere it has to be stored in liquid form which either requires high pressure or very low temperature - the first results in tanks that are too heavy to use in a car (like electric cars using lead acid batteries) and the second requires lots of power to keep the cryogenics going and also ends up heavy.

ETA - one of the guys at the boat club had an egas unit fitted a couple of weeks ago - I'll report back on how effective he finds it but I'm not holding my breath.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Mon May 03, 2010 4:12 pm

Saw all the dead sea turtels. and dead fish. No fishing for 10 days. Only 10 days. I think i will wait to eat the gulf seafood a lot longer then that.

;)