Why Don't We Have Free Electricity For Everyone?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:37 am

This is a serious question that we should all ask ourselves. Who has the right to have a monopoly over something that mother nature owns? Why do electrical companies have the right to own the rights to something that everyone has the right to develop a system for that works for everyone? Why did Tesla get put in jail for trying to develop a system of free electricity? I don't understand this. If someone today was to try and introduce a system of free electricity for the World, what would happen to that person? Would they sued by every single electric company that exists? If they were to try and sell a product that produces free electricity for every household in the United States, would they be in danger of losing their rights, and possibly even facing imprisonment? And why is this?

Why do we have a system today where the amount of electricity a person uses is monitored, and also regulated? What would happen if someone developed a way to get an unlimited amount of electricity from a product that would provide everyone with as much electricity as they wanted without being charged a single penny for the electricity? Why has this not been done? And furthermore, why is it not being ALLOWED to be done? Who controls this stuff? Why are there people who don't have access to free electricity? Why? Why can't there be free electricity?

Does anyone have these answers? I'm also going to post some stuff about Tesla and what he tried to relative to this subject. I just don't understand the logic behind preventing the people of the World from having access to free electricity.

If I was to develop a way to tap into an electrical grid of the planet from my location what would happen to me? Would I be arrested? Would I be sued? Would I get killed? What would happen? And why? Why would it happen? What gives someone else the right to dictate this process?

Anyone have any answers?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:51 am

It would cost jobs, TB. I'm all for your idea, but then we'd have to make some fundamental changes in our way of life.

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:02 am

The power company in my town constantly encouraged everyone to conserve electricity. We did. Profits dropped. Now, they are going to raise rates. WTF?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:03 am

Ahso!;1304971 wrote: It would cost jobs, TB. I'm all for your idea, but then we'd have to make some fundamental changes in our way of life.

Well yeah I mean free electricity is not going to come from me, because I don't have the technical skills to every create something like that, but it could come from many many many other people out there. I know it would cost jobs, but so what? The economy costs jobs. Illegal immigration costs jobs. Outsourcing costs jobs. Everything costs jobs these days. I mean perhaps there could be jobs created for people to monitor FREE electricity. Maybe there could be jobs created for people to help repair the devices/technology that provides FREE electricity. Maybe jobs could be created for people to help transfer the FREE electricity to different parts of the World. Maybe there could be jobs created for people to provide customer service to people whenever their FREE electricity runs into problems. Maybe a small charge to their residence or their phone bill or something along those lines, for anyone calls in who has a problem with their FREE electricity.

I just think that everyone in the World would have a much easier time paying their bills, living their lives, and it would even help take the burden off of many who are being hurt by the economy of almost every nation at the moment.

Forget free gas. Forget about free water. Those things are limited anyways. And I think they should be monitored. But not electricity. Electricity is in a field all of it's own.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:05 am

Oy vey!

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:07 am

And while we are on the subject, there is absolutely no reason why internet access should not be free for everyone either. And that there is no reason why there couldn't be some kind of major hub or something in every city that reaches every household for everyone who has a computer with a wireless card in it. This whole nonsense about you have to drive to Mcdonald's parkinglot to have access to free internet is crazy. That would also take a HUGE burden off of every single citizen of every country because the fact is that almost ALL jobs today require a person to have access to the internet to send out their applications, etc.

And just like different jobs could be created for free electricity, different jobs could be created for free internet access as well. All it takes is a little bit of cleverness. That's it. And brand new ideas would sprout up, and brand new jobs would sprout up.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:10 am

TruthBringer;1304963 wrote: Why did Tesla get put in jail for trying to develop a system of free electricity?
Would you like to indicate when this happened?

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:12 am

hoppy;1304973 wrote: The power company in my town constantly encouraged everyone to conserve electricity. We did. Profits dropped. Now, they are going to raise rates. WTF?You don't like our flavor of free market capitalism?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:25 am

spot;1304978 wrote: Would you like to indicate when this happened?

Well that's what I hear I mean I know it might be speculation but I do know that Tesla was imprisoned was he not? I still have to do some studying on this subject but isn't it true that Tesla did have ideas to provide free electricity for the World? And he was never able to implement those ideas due to politics? I mean isn't that what happened? Otherwise wouldn't he have put his ideas into action?

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:27 am

TruthBringer;1304982 wrote: Well that's what I hear I mean I know it might be speculation but I do know that Tesla was imprisoned was he not? I still have to do some studying on this subject but isn't it true that Tesla did have ideas to provide free electricity for the World? And he was never able to implement those ideas due to politics? I mean isn't that what happened? Otherwise wouldn't he have put his ideas into action?

I think you'll find the answers are no, no, no, no and no in that order.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:28 am

TruthBringer;1304982 wrote: Well that's what I hear I mean I know it might be speculation but I do know that Tesla was imprisoned was he not? I still have to do some studying on this subject but isn't it true that Tesla did have ideas to provide free electricity for the World? And he was never able to implement those ideas due to politics? I mean isn't that what happened? Otherwise wouldn't he have put his ideas into action?Well, go get the evidence and present it. But please keep it reasonable. Don't copy/paste some long conspiracy.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:31 am

lol. Look at this, I thought this was kind of cool:

Tesla claims he was offered US$50,000 (~ US$1.1 million in 2007, adjusted for inflation) if he redesigned Edison's inefficient motor and generators, making an improvement in both service and economy.]:54–57 In 1885 when Tesla inquired about the payment for his work, Edison replied, "Tesla, you don't understand our American humor," thus breaking his word. Earning US$18 per week, Tesla would have had to work for 53 years to earn the amount he was promised. The offer was equal to the initial capital of the company. Tesla immediately resigned when he was refused a raise to US$25 per week.

Tesla, in need of work, eventually found himself digging ditches for a short period of time for the Edison company. He used this time to focus on his AC polyphase system.

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:33 am

Now look at this, tell me this isn't a little fishy:

The Tesla generator was developed by Tesla in 1895, in conjunction with his developments concerning the liquefaction of air. Tesla knew, from Lord Kelvin's discoveries, that more heat is absorbed by liquefied air when it is re-gasified and used to drive something, than is required by theory; in other words, that the liquefaction process is somewhat anomalous or 'over unity'. Just prior to Tesla's completion of his work and the filing of a patent application, Tesla's laboratory burned down, destroying all his equipment, models and inventions. Immediately after the fire, Linde, in Germany, filed a patent application for the same process.

Now it could be coincidence that Tesla's lab burned down. Or it could be that it was arson. I mean who's to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:36 am

Ok now if I am correct, here is Teslas basic idea for harnessing free electricity for the World, which I guess he was able to demonstrate on a minor scale:

A "world system" for "the transmission of electrical energy without wires" that depends upon the electrical conductivity of the earth was proposed, in which transmission in various natural media with current that passes between the two points are used to power devices. In a practical wireless energy transmission system using this principle, a high-power ultraviolet beam might be used to form a vertical ionized channel in the air directly above the transmitter-receiver stations. The same concept is used in virtual lightning rods, the electrolaser electroshock weapon, and has been proposed for disabling vehicles.

Tesla demonstrated "the transmission of electrical energy without wires" as early as 1891. The Tesla effect (named in honor of Tesla) is a term for an application of this type of electrical conduction (that is, the movement of energy through space and matter, not just the production of voltage across a conductor).

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:39 am

lol. Looks like he got himself into trouble with the police for one of his experiments. However notice the bottom part where it says he was able to light up two lamps by using "wireless" electricity:

On 30 July 1891, he became a naturalized citizen of the United States at the age of 35. Tesla established his 35 South Fifth Avenue laboratory in New York in the same year. Later, Tesla established his Houston Street laboratory in New York at 46 E. Houston Street. There, at one point while conducting mechanical resonance experiments with electro-mechanical oscillators, he generated a resonance in several surrounding buildings but, because of the frequencies involved, not his own building, causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew, he hit the resonant frequency of his own building and, belatedly realizing the danger, was forced to apply a sledgehammer to terminate the experiment, just as the police arrived. He also lit electric lamps wirelessly at both of the New York locations, providing evidence for the potential of wireless power transmission.

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hoppy · Post by **hoppy** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:40 am

Ahso!;1304979 wrote: You don't like our flavor of free market capitalism?

Nor do I like socialism.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:41 am

Good lord... where on earth does "free" or "jail" come into any of that?

The answers are still no, no, no, no and no in that order.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:42 am

On display were Tesla's fluorescent lamps and single node bulbs. An observer noted:

Within the room was suspended two hard-rubber plates covered with tin foil. These were about fifteen feet apart, and served as terminals of the wires leading from the transformers. When the current was turned on, the lamps or tubes, which had no wires connected to them, but lay on a table between the suspended plates, or which might be held in the hand in almost any part of the room, were made luminous. These were the same experiments and the same apparatus shown by Tesla in London about two years previous, "where they produced so much wonder and astonishment.".

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:43 am

spot;1304991 wrote: Good lord... where on earth does "free" or "jail" come into any of that?

The answers are still no, no, no, no and no in that order.

Well the free part is obvious (with the devices of course, which had to be purchased or created), but the jail part I haven't gotten to yet.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:47 am

TruthBringer;1304993 wrote: Well the free part is obvious (with the devices of course, which had to be purchased or created), but the jail part I haven't gotten to yet.

But you're talking about free distribution to to the point of consumption in your initial post! You haven't the *slightest* reason for thinking Tesla had even the remotest intention or desire to reach that position and none of your quotes comes anywhere near talking about it.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 9:56 am

At his lab, Tesla proved that the earth was a conductor, and he produced artificial lightning (with discharges consisting of millions of volts, and up to 135 feet long).

In Colorado, Tesla carried out various long distance power transmission experiments. Tesla effect is the application of a type of electrical conduction (that is, the movement of energy through space and matter; not just the production of voltage across a conductor). Through longitudinal waves, Tesla transferred energy to receiving devices. He sent electrostatic forces through natural media across a conductor situated in the changing magnetic flux and transferred power to a conducting receiving device (such as Tesla's wireless bulbs).

He also made a comment related to how man should not be able to own or have control over the elements by "enslaving" them,:

"There is no thing endowed with life—from man, who is enslaving the elements, to the nimblest creature—in all this world that does not sway in its turn. Whenever action is born from force, though it be infinitesimal, the cosmic balance is upset and the universal motion results."

Tesla was a complicated figure. He refused to hold conventions without his Tesla coil blasting electricity throughout the room, despite the audience often being terrified, though he assured them everything was perfectly safe.

Tesla was good friends with Robert Underwood Johnson. He had amicable relations with Francis Marion Crawford, Stanford White, Fritz Lowenstein, George Scherff, and Kenneth Swezey. He ripped up a Westinghouse contract that would have made him the world's first billionaire, in part because of the implications it would have on his future vision of free power, and in part because it would run Westinghouse out of business, and Tesla had no desire to deal with the creditors.

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I mean the guy wasn't perfect. But it's not the guy I am concerned with. It's his ideas. It's the methods that could be used to transmit free electricity to everyone.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:00 am

TruthBringer;1304996 wrote: I mean the guy wasn't perfect. But it's not the guy I am concerned with. It's his ideas. It's the methods that could be used to transmit free electricity to everyone.I think you're misreading what you've quoted. He induced electricity without the use of wires. He still had to input power at one end to get the effect at the other. There's nothing "free" about it, either for the producer or for the consumer. You skip the non-free to the producer, you assume free to the consumer despite the cost of production and the cost of distribution, and you end up with your initial post.

Do you seriously think you've justified it with your subsequent quotes?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:01 am

In 1901, Nikola Tesla began work on a global system of giant towers meant to relay through the air not only news, stock reports and even pictures but also, unbeknown to investors such as J. Pierpont Morgan, free electricity for one and all.

.......When Nikola Tesla invented the AC (alternating current) induction motor, he had great difficulty convincing men of his time to believe in it. Thomas Edison was in favor of direct current (DC) electricity and opposed AC electricity strenuously. Tesla eventually sold his rights to his alternating current patents to George Westinghouse for $1,000,000. After paying off his investors, Tesla spent his remaining funds on his other inventions and culminated his efforts in a major breakthrough in 1899 at Colorado Springs by transmitting 100 million volts of high-frequency electric power wirelessly over a distance of 26 miles at which he lit up a bank of 200 light bulbs and ran one electric motor! With this souped up version of his Tesla coil, Tesla claimed that only 5% of the transmitted energy was lost in the process. But broke of funds again, he looked for investors to back his project of broadcasting electric power in almost unlimited amounts to any point on the globe. The method he would use to produce this wireless power was to employ the earth's own resonance with its specific vibrational frequency to conduct AC electricity via a large electric oscillator. When J.P. Morgan agreed to underwrite Tesla's project, a strange structure was begun and almost completed near Wardenclyffe in Long Island, N.Y. Looking like a huge lattice-like, wooden oil derrick with a mushroom cap, it had a total height of 200 feet. Then suddenly, Morgan withdrew his support to the project in 1906, and eventually the structure was dynamited and brought down in 1917.

.......A Tesla coil is a special transformer that can take the 110 volt electricity from your house and convert it rapidly to a great deal of high-voltage, high-frequency, low-amperage power. The high-frequency output of even a small Tesla coil can light up fluorescent tubes held several feet away without any wire connections. Even a large number of spent or discarded fluorescent tubes (their burned out cathodes are irrelevant) will light up if hung near a long wire running from a Tesla coil while using less than 100 watts drawn by the coil itself when plugged into an electrical outlet! Since the Tesla coil steps up the voltage to such a high degree, the alternating oscillations achieve sufficient excitations within the tubes of gases to produce lighting at a minimal expense of original power! Fluorescent tubes can be held under high-tension wires to produce the same lighting up effect. Remember the farmer a few years ago who was caught with an adaptive transformer under a set of high tension lines that ran over his property? Through the air, he pulled down all the power he needed to run his farm without using any connecting apparatus to the lines overhead! Any electrical engineer with the proper materials can do the same thing.

.....Incandescent bulbs burn high resistance filaments that gobble up energy. Fluorescent tubes burn filaments (cathodes) to create an electrical flow that sets their internal phosphorus coatings aglow. Using a Tesla coil, high voltage AC can light up glass-enclosed vacuum bulbs coolly without any gases inside them at all! Any number of cold light bulbs can be lit using only one Tesla coil, and since there is nothing inside them to burn out, they can last indefinitely. It seems like a low cost form of street lighting, doesn't it?

Nikola Tesla's - Free Energy For All // Current

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:05 am

Looks like you are right about him not going to jail Spot, I haven't been able to find a single thing stating that he ever spent time in jail for his work, but I do believe you are wrong about him not having ideas to provide free electricity for the World.

But we don't need Tesla to provide free electricity for the World. We can use his amazing ideas, but there may be other ways to do it. Other people can develop things too, it's just a matter of why hasn't it been done? I guess because power companies have unlimited resources and people who come up with an idea are stuck in the muck. And have no resources, patents, ways to overcome loopholes, etc.

So in other words we are left with a crappier system when we could have something that works for everyone. Something free for everyone. And power companies will never allow for free electricity, because they make too much money off of it, just like internet service providers will never allow for completely free internet access for everyone, because they make too much money off of providing it.

Not just off of providing this stuff though, they don't stop there, they would almost certainly sue anyone who would ever come out with a product that would put them all out of business by providing free methods of doing the same thing they do.

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:08 am

Electricity is harnessed from nature; it is not like getting a bucket of water from a lake. It takes resources and technology and all sorts to get it from nature to your PC. That is why there are companies and you need to pay for it.

It is metered so that you pay for what you use.

I don’t know about where you are, but yes, here you can set up your own wind power generator and you can power your own home. Any additional energy that you may you can actually sell back to the grid.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:09 am

Surprise me then. If the science is real and free production of electricity is possible, why do you suppose not a single private individual has ever put it into practice for his own domestic consumption?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:11 am

spot;1305002 wrote: Surprise me then. If the science is real and free production of electricity is possible, why do you suppose not a single private individual has ever put it into practice for his own domestic consumption?

I can prove to you two things. One, that production of electricity is already possible. And it is being used as we speak. And that two, making it free only consists of figuring out ways not to charge for it. Possibly through devices, through new technologies, or through altering our current way of slapping a price on it.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 am

hoppy;1304990 wrote: Nor do I like socialism.So, you're not a republican at all then.

What is it you do want?

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:12 am

mikeinie;1305001 wrote: Electricity is harnessed from nature; it is not like getting a bucket of water from a lake. It takes resources and technology and all sorts to get it from nature to your PC. That is why there are companies and you need to pay for it.

It is metered so that you pay for what you use.

I don’t know about where you are, but yes, here you can set up your own wind power generator and you can power your own home. Any additional energy that you may you can actually sell back to the grid.

Not much wind where I'm at. Solar would be the way to go here. If I had the money to install it all. Which I don't.

Ahso! · Post by **Ahso!** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:13 am

mikeinie;1305001 wrote: Electricity is harnessed from nature; it is not like getting a bucket of water from a lake. It takes resources and technology and all sorts to get it from nature to your PC. That is why there are companies and you need to pay for it.

It is metered so that you pay for what you use.

I don’t know about where you are, but yes, here you can set up your own wind power generator and you can power your own home. Any additional energy that you may you can actually sell back to the grid.Its the same here.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:15 am

Well I am glad to hear that there are ways of receiving electricity for free, through wind generators, etc. That's a start. But wind generators don't work for every part of the globe.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:16 am

mikeinie;1305001 wrote: Electricity is harnessed from nature; it is not like getting a bucket of water from a lake.

Tesla claimed that it could be. That it could be harnessed from the air. He also said that the Earth was a conductor for electricity. He also went on to prove that electricity could be harnessed from the air, through his devices that he had created.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:20 am

TruthBringer;1305003 wrote: I can prove to you two things. One, that production of electricity is already possible. And it is being used as we speak. And that two, making it free only consists of figuring out ways not to charge for it. Possibly through devices, through new technologies, or through altering our current way of slapping a price on it.

None of that has anything to do with Tesla though. Tesla demonstrated how to broadcast power without wires. He never demonstrated the production of power without the consumption of fuel. You're asking for the freedom to consume power without being charged for it, while having no capability of producing power without a fuel source. The sums don't balance, do they. Someone, somewhere along that chain, has to cough up the cost both for the production and distribution and for the fuel. Even if that's wind or tide or sunlight, the production and distribution costs have to be met somehow. You just want to lift that cost from the consumer.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:22 am

spot;1305012 wrote: None of that has anything to do with Tesla though. Tesla demonstrated how to broadcast power without wires. He never demonstrated the production of power without the consumption of fuel. You're asking for the freedom to consume power without being charged for it, while having no capability of producing power without a fuel source. The sums don't balance, do they. Someone, somewhere along that chain, has to cough up the cost both for the production and distribution and for the fuel. Even if that's wind or tide or sunlight, the production and distribution costs have to be met somehow. You just want to lift that cost from the consumer.

So do you believe that it is possible to somehow make sure that everyone receives electricity for free? That there is a way to make that happen? I'm just curious.

I know you said that "someone has to pay for it with either dollars, yen, or toilet paper", but....

Do you think there is a way to do it for completely free? Possibly requiring only a little body sweat in the process?

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:29 am

Communism would manage it.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:31 am

spot;1305018 wrote: Communism would manage it.

Hmmm. Free electricity under a communistic government? Damn...how come all the good stuff comes with an iron fist?

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 10:43 am

TruthBringer;1305020 wrote: Hmmm. Free electricity under a communistic government? Damn...how come all the good stuff comes with an iron fist?

Not all communist societies would employ one. Stalin needed to because Stalin had a particular problem to solve. So did Mao. It's not an inevitable consequence.

Post by **LarsMac** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:03 pm

Electricity is free.

It is the delivery system that costs money.

If you can build your own generation and delivery system, you don't have to pay for electricity.

I have a water wheel being turned by water from a pond I built, that is fed by a stream. That water wheel turns a generator that gives me enough AC power to manage most requirements I have.

A neighbor built and array of windmills (actually the windpowered generators used by sailboats.) that provides him with 70% of his peak electricity requirements.

Post by **spot** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:40 pm

That's true enough, anyone with the natural resource can arrange things that way. Water's far better than wind or sunlight, it's consistently available. I've seen a few domestic generators run from stream-fed gradients.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:50 pm

Having access to electricity can never be free as long as it has to be harnessed, either by the individual or an entity. Harnessing electricity costs $$$$. Who pays?

Richard Bell · Post by **Richard Bell** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:37 am

TruthBringer;1304982 wrote: Well that's what I hear I mean I know it might be speculation ...

Unfortunately, virtually your entire posting history at FG is based on this extremely shaky foundation.

yaaarrrgg · Post by **yaaarrrgg** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:09 am

TB, if (virtually) free sources of electricity where in the grasp of our current technology, utility companies would already be harnessing it and reselling at the current rates.

In Indiana, most the electricity comes from coal. It's the cheapest way to produce it here. Burning coal and boiling water, driving huge turbines. Sounds kinda primitive doesn't it? So free electricity means that some group of people have to dig coal for free. Who will volunteer? Are you willing to step up to the challenge?

Though what is possible is complete automation of the process. We could use robots to do most of the grunt work. Unfortunately that's not going to happen any time soon. The technology just isn't there yet.

I think there's some ambiguity in the word 'free'. One meaning is you don't pay for it (at least directly). That's possible in theory. The other meaning is that you get electricity from nothing. That's unfortunately a quack science, though I wish it were true.

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:24 am

Tornadoes are free, it's just hard to figure where they will happen.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:45 am

Richard Bell;1305162 wrote: Unfortunately, virtually your entire posting history at FG is based on this extremely shaky foundation.

Don't get it twisted brother. There's what I'm extremely well versed in and then there's what I am not very educated in. As is the case with you, as is the case withe everyone else.

You'll notice that I ask more question in this thread than I give answers. And that's because I'm not perfect and I don't know everything. But look at yourself in the mirror when you try and point fingers at me. Point one at yourself as well, and I'll listen to what you have to say. Until then, you might want to take your "crown" off of your head and sit at the peasant's table with the rest of us.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:51 am

I think there could be a system worked out where no one who receives electricity needs to pay for it, and everyone who works to keep the electricity running is compensated for it. I don't know "how" to do that, but I know it could be done.

Possibly the internet could be used as a tool to make the electric companies money even though they are providing electricity for free. Maybe through advertising, etc. Perhaps through multi-networking with companies that aren't in the electrical business. But who could some how profit from being connected to it.

But no one can argue that free electricity and free internet access would lessen the burdens on the backs of people who absolutely need those things these days in order to get anything done in society. And I'm talking Worldwide not just in America.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:57 am

TruthBringer;1305380 wrote: I think there could be a system worked out where no one who receives electricity needs to pay for it, and everyone who works to keep the electricity running is compensated for it.Ah - a statement I fully understand, at last.

Compensated by whom? Since you've eliminated the consumer from stumping up the cost.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 9:59 am

Another option would be that perhaps HUGE solar power cell structures could be built to run the electricity for entire cities. Now these buildings/structures would have to be massive, but if installed in every major city in America (and then eventually in every minor city in America), it would provide much work for the American citizens who could use a job. Even down to carrying/transporting supplies, etc.

It would be a technological revolution. It would generate an enormous amount of savings for the United States, and it would mean free electricity for everyone (since it would all be coming from the Sun).

The Sun is only going to increase it's output as we approach 2012, and for quite awhile after that, so we could all benefit from tapping into that potential, even though there will health consequences that go along with that as well, due to the weakening of the Earth's magnetic shield.

Either way I don't think electricity in the way we are harnessing it right now is going to work when the electrical power grids we have set up get shorted out from all of the Sun storms we will be having, so the Solar Panels will be a viable solution at that time.

I think this is probably going to be the best way to do it, and I for one would be willing to wait for the 10-20 years to see it be put into place. Patience is a virtue, and if these structures were created in safe areas (away from volcanoes, away from ocean storm surges, away from tornado allies, etc.) around the United States, we would lead the World by pioneering the entire process. And other countries would soon follow suit.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:03 am

TruthBringer;1305388 wrote: it would mean free electricity for everyone (since it would all be coming from the Sun).

You still haven't come to grips with plant and distribution costs, have you. It might help if you define "free" in very exact terms inside this thread so we can all use the same meaning.

TruthBringer · Post by **TruthBringer** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:07 am

spot;1305390 wrote: You still haven't come to grips with plant and distribution costs, have you. It might help if you define "free" in very exact terms inside this thread so we can all use the same meaning.

Well what do you think about the enormous Solar Cell Structures Spot? I mean the city would have to pay people to repair them anyways, just like they do now, but you know, if built right, they may not even need to be repaired nearly as much as the power plants we have today.

But like I said, if we took the money from lets say, some kind of a sales tax, perhaps a 30% increase from a specific product or something, and in return for that, those companies who provide that product would get some kind of benefit from the government, like a reduction in their taxes, etc., then perhaps a system could be worked out that would actually work. And the people of the nation would have more money in their pockets, and wouldn't have to worry about their lights being turned out, their toilet not working, their water not working, their appliances not working, etc. Peace of mind.

Post by **spot** » Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:22 am

TruthBringer;1305391 wrote: Well what do you think about the enormous Solar Cell Structures Spot?Solar energy will fall in price to match the cost of conventional fossil fuel electricity far sooner than previously expected, the UK's largest solar company has claimed in a new report. Solarcentury said British homeowners will see solar achieve "grid parity" – the point where solar electricity rivals or becomes cheaper than conventional nonrenewable electricity – by 2013. Most predictions suggest that technological innovation will not bring the price down far enough until 2020 or later.

The company suggested falling production costs for solar panels and increasing conventional electricity costs have brought parity closer. Prices for solar and grid electricity in residential homes are expected to crossover at around 17p to 18p per unit of electricity (kWh) in 2013, followed by parity for commercial solar electricity in 2018.

Cost of solar energy will match fossil fuel electricity by 2013, claims Solarcentury | Environment | guardian.co.uk

At some stage in the future the production cost of electricity through solar panels will come down to the production cost from alternative sources. The "domestic" cost mentioned relies on the reduced distribution cost from having a home installation, the "commercial" cost includes the distribution infrastructure. As you can see, solar energy consumption at the moment is more expensive than buying electricity from the fossil fuel burning power stations.

By all means, once the cost is reduced below that of current conventional power stations, switch from the one to the other. Bear in mind that during the hours of darkness you need to switch back to fueled provision, the world doesn't have any battery technology capable of storing hours-worth of national power requirements and nobody's even started to working out how to achieve that. You'll still have just about the same plant requirement for electricity production by non-solar means as you have today, you'd just need to run it half the time instead of continuously. Again, nobody's suggesting that power can be generated on the far side of the planet for consumption ten thousand miles distant where it's night-time.