Mickiel;1301652 wrote: So I want to go into this meaningless association that religion has established with the giving of money, and what the bible really says about it.
Peace.
Giving is a reaction of Love, not Law, no one should be commanded to Give, or compulsed to give or be cursed if you do not. In 2Corinth. 9:7, a bueatiful biblical standard for giving is shown;"Let each of us do as he has purposed in his heart; Not grudgingly or " under Compulsion", for God Loves a cheerful giver."
To give under compulsion means to be forced to give as if it is mandatory. It is constraining and dictated by psychological urges.
The modernday churchs use this compelling urge in its members, by setting up a misunderstood Old testement passage of Scripture in Malachi 3:8-9;" Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say how have we robbed me. In Tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you!"
I want to go into how these verses have set up a standard of fear and compulsion, even dedication to " Duty giving", in modernday religions.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
This is something about bible...
I found the idea that you can use a conscious object such as bible, to consider nonobjective consiousness, absurd.
I found the idea that you can use a conscious object such as bible, to consider nonobjective consiousness, absurd.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1301944 wrote: Giving is a reaction of Love, not Law, no one should be commanded to Give, or compulsed to give or be cursed if you do not. In 2Corinth. 9:7, a bueatiful biblical standard for giving is shown;"Let each of us do as he has purposed in his heart; Not grudgingly or " under Compulsion", for God Loves a cheerful giver."
To give under compulsion means to be forced to give as if it is mandatory. It is constraining and dictated by psychological urges.
The modernday churchs use this compelling urge in its members, by setting up a misunderstood Old testement passage of Scripture in Malachi 3:8-9;" Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say how have we robbed me. In Tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you!"
I want to go into how these verses have set up a standard of fear and compulsion, even dedication to " Duty giving", in modernday religions.
Peace.
In Malachi 3:9, " You are Cursed with A curse." Now this is a threat God made to Israel in order to get them to " Feed his Priest food." God was not asking them to bring the Priest money, but a tenth of the increase of their Crops! Their crops of food. Mal.3:10," Bring the tithe into the " Stroehouse so that there may be FOOD in my house." These verses are talking about Food, NOT money!
But the modernday religions have changed, subtley changed, these verses into meaning money. They have tried to change a discontinued old testement ordinance, into a new testement money making machine! Using this curse as a fear tactic.
Now, ask any modernday minister who teaches this nonsense, what is the curse for not giving money to a church? What is the curse of God? Whats God going to do to me if I don't give money to a church?
And I want to go into the deadly mental handicap this has caused. And Conversely, the false hope of its magnified meaning, such as what will God do if you give money? Well these ministers teach that God will bless you beyond reconition, and they give money expecting that from God,
As if God is now, " Selling his Blessings."
Peace.
To give under compulsion means to be forced to give as if it is mandatory. It is constraining and dictated by psychological urges.
The modernday churchs use this compelling urge in its members, by setting up a misunderstood Old testement passage of Scripture in Malachi 3:8-9;" Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing me. But you say how have we robbed me. In Tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing me, the whole nation of you!"
I want to go into how these verses have set up a standard of fear and compulsion, even dedication to " Duty giving", in modernday religions.
Peace.
In Malachi 3:9, " You are Cursed with A curse." Now this is a threat God made to Israel in order to get them to " Feed his Priest food." God was not asking them to bring the Priest money, but a tenth of the increase of their Crops! Their crops of food. Mal.3:10," Bring the tithe into the " Stroehouse so that there may be FOOD in my house." These verses are talking about Food, NOT money!
But the modernday religions have changed, subtley changed, these verses into meaning money. They have tried to change a discontinued old testement ordinance, into a new testement money making machine! Using this curse as a fear tactic.
Now, ask any modernday minister who teaches this nonsense, what is the curse for not giving money to a church? What is the curse of God? Whats God going to do to me if I don't give money to a church?
And I want to go into the deadly mental handicap this has caused. And Conversely, the false hope of its magnified meaning, such as what will God do if you give money? Well these ministers teach that God will bless you beyond reconition, and they give money expecting that from God,
As if God is now, " Selling his Blessings."
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1302498 wrote:
As if God is now, " Selling his Blessings."
Peace.
And many believe God is " Selling Salvation at your personal behavior cost!" Other words, YOU have to " Do" something to deserve it. Repent., Live right, obey, submit, all these are what you must Pay!
Its contridiction, now humanity must " Pay" for a Salvation already paied for by Jesus Life, A Salvation thats absolutely Free! And believing humanity is falling for this distortion, with their money and their minds.
And modernday churchs are taking both of this from us, our money and our minds.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
As if God is now, " Selling his Blessings."
Peace.
And many believe God is " Selling Salvation at your personal behavior cost!" Other words, YOU have to " Do" something to deserve it. Repent., Live right, obey, submit, all these are what you must Pay!
Its contridiction, now humanity must " Pay" for a Salvation already paied for by Jesus Life, A Salvation thats absolutely Free! And believing humanity is falling for this distortion, with their money and their minds.
And modernday churchs are taking both of this from us, our money and our minds.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Churchs want your mind and your money, and will try to convince you that the way to wealth is God. That is utter nonsense. Look at this graph I constructed;
"Prosperity "is mentioned 17 times in the Old Testement, None in the New.
"Prosper" is mentioned 48 times in th OT, only once in the New.
" Prospered", 12 times in the OT, Only once in the New.
" Prospereth", 4 times in the OT, None in the New.
" Prosperous", 7 in the Old, only once in the New.
" Prosperously", twice in the Old, none in the New.
" Money" is mentioned 139 times in the bible, only 23 in the New Testement, most of which discuss negative experiences.
I showed you this graph to show how in the Flow of the bible, the " Emphsis on Prosperity is being reduced." Only religious men are trying to increase it, because of their greed for money.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
"Prosperity "is mentioned 17 times in the Old Testement, None in the New.
"Prosper" is mentioned 48 times in th OT, only once in the New.
" Prospered", 12 times in the OT, Only once in the New.
" Prospereth", 4 times in the OT, None in the New.
" Prosperous", 7 in the Old, only once in the New.
" Prosperously", twice in the Old, none in the New.
" Money" is mentioned 139 times in the bible, only 23 in the New Testement, most of which discuss negative experiences.
I showed you this graph to show how in the Flow of the bible, the " Emphsis on Prosperity is being reduced." Only religious men are trying to increase it, because of their greed for money.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1305074 wrote: Churchs want your mind and your money, and will try to convince you that the way to wealth is God. That is utter nonsense. Look at this graph I constructed;
"Prosperity "is mentioned 17 times in the Old Testement, None in the New.
"Prosper" is mentioned 48 times in th OT, only once in the New.
" Prospered", 12 times in the OT, Only once in the New.
" Prospereth", 4 times in the OT, None in the New.
" Prosperous", 7 in the Old, only once in the New.
" Prosperously", twice in the Old, none in the New.
" Money" is mentioned 139 times in the bible, only 23 in the New Testement, most of which discuss negative experiences.
I showed you this graph to show how in the Flow of the bible, the " Emphsis on Prosperity is being reduced." Only religious men are trying to increase it, because of their greed for money.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The word " Wealth" is mentioned 25 times in the OT, only twice in the New. The intrest is decreasing, so why now is it " Increasing?" Well its the " Need and The Greed" mentality, the sweeping desire to Gain and get rich. The Love of Money, and people using the bible and God in their longing for it.
Peace.
"Prosperity "is mentioned 17 times in the Old Testement, None in the New.
"Prosper" is mentioned 48 times in th OT, only once in the New.
" Prospered", 12 times in the OT, Only once in the New.
" Prospereth", 4 times in the OT, None in the New.
" Prosperous", 7 in the Old, only once in the New.
" Prosperously", twice in the Old, none in the New.
" Money" is mentioned 139 times in the bible, only 23 in the New Testement, most of which discuss negative experiences.
I showed you this graph to show how in the Flow of the bible, the " Emphsis on Prosperity is being reduced." Only religious men are trying to increase it, because of their greed for money.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The word " Wealth" is mentioned 25 times in the OT, only twice in the New. The intrest is decreasing, so why now is it " Increasing?" Well its the " Need and The Greed" mentality, the sweeping desire to Gain and get rich. The Love of Money, and people using the bible and God in their longing for it.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1305076 wrote: The word " Wealth" is mentioned 25 times in the OT, only twice in the New. The intrest is decreasing, so why now is it " Increasing?" Well its the " Need and The Greed" mentality, the sweeping desire to Gain and get rich. The Love of Money, and people using the bible and God in their longing for it.
Peace.
You complain so much about peoples "love for money, greed..."
what about love for sex that you practice so much?
we shouldn't be hypocrites, but what we should do, is put a bible aside, and enjoy in sexual, and all other god given pleasures, and stop with bullshit...
Peace.
You complain so much about peoples "love for money, greed..."
what about love for sex that you practice so much?
we shouldn't be hypocrites, but what we should do, is put a bible aside, and enjoy in sexual, and all other god given pleasures, and stop with bullshit...
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Hey the 'abstain from blood' is mentioned so many more times............
I'm glad I've just sat back and relaxed with this Mik. I was expecting it
knew it. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
I'm glad I've just sat back and relaxed with this Mik. I was expecting it
knew it. :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Mickiel;1305076 wrote: The word " Wealth" is mentioned 25 times in the OT, only twice in the New. The intrest is decreasing, so why now is it " Increasing?" Well its the " Need and The Greed" mentality, the sweeping desire to Gain and get rich. The Love of Money, and people using the bible and God in their longing for it.
Peace.
Wealth is described more times than that and has been taken ou tof context to mean money ...you'll find at sol it means much different, you'll also find in other places it means community and welfare.
yeah I know I always break the party up.
Peace.
Wealth is described more times than that and has been taken ou tof context to mean money ...you'll find at sol it means much different, you'll also find in other places it means community and welfare.
yeah I know I always break the party up.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
When you put something under a magnifying glass it does not change, your view of it is improved. In the comming days, I am going to put the Love of Money under that glass, as it relates to religion, and I am going to show you some things you will never forget.
Show you how gullible and greedy human nature really is, and how ministers in religion have taken advantage of people, using the bible, and led them like sheep to give them their money, all of their lives.
Peace.
Show you how gullible and greedy human nature really is, and how ministers in religion have taken advantage of people, using the bible, and led them like sheep to give them their money, all of their lives.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Everybody knows how corrupt, and greedy catholic church is, especially catholic church, which became multibillion dollars corporation, with pope who thinks he is some kind of God mesiah, walking around in fancy robes with all that jewelry, and costumes show, all that bullshit that make stupid people believe, wow, this must be sent from God himself, ever since roman empire converted to christianity just to stay in power, and rule, and loot all over the world, we all know that catholic church worshiping, is equal to devil worshiping.
For hundreds of years romans threw christians to the lions, killing them in every single way, and when they realized that christianity is becoming more, and more popular among people, they just switched over to christianity, and start converting indigenious people in africa, south america, and elsewhere, while looting, exploiting, abusing sexually all those poor people.
Today, every third male catholic adult will admit of being sexually abused by those devil worshiping perverted catholic priests.
For hundreds of years romans threw christians to the lions, killing them in every single way, and when they realized that christianity is becoming more, and more popular among people, they just switched over to christianity, and start converting indigenious people in africa, south america, and elsewhere, while looting, exploiting, abusing sexually all those poor people.
Today, every third male catholic adult will admit of being sexually abused by those devil worshiping perverted catholic priests.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1305124 wrote: When you put something under a magnifying glass it does not change, your view of it is improved. In the comming days, I am going to put the Love of Money under that glass, as it relates to religion, and I am going to show you some things you will never forget.
Show you how gullible and greedy human nature really is, and how ministers in religion have taken advantage of people, using the bible, and led them like sheep to give them their money, all of their lives.
Peace.
The " Prosperity Ministries" now sweeping America has raked in more money than they can collectively count, all predicated on the perception that God will make you rich and prosper, IF you give HIM money! ( or really give these ministries your money because they claim that giving to THEM, is giving to God). Hard to imagine that a people will believe that the giving of money, will increase their income. But you see, the ministries are " Using the perceived pressence of God, or involvement of God, to prompt these people to give." They are teaching its Gods will to give THEM money.
Now it can be quite confusing, because God does believe in Giving, its one of HIS ways. The biblical concept of " You reap what you Sow", is being used with great results, as the bankrolls of these ministers is skyrocketing! If you give, God will give to you.
Well what about those who do not give money to a church, what, God ignores them? God gives MORE to unbelievers and people who do not give to churchs, than he does to those who do give to churchs, a simple look at the billionares and millionares list will bear that truth out.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Show you how gullible and greedy human nature really is, and how ministers in religion have taken advantage of people, using the bible, and led them like sheep to give them their money, all of their lives.
Peace.
The " Prosperity Ministries" now sweeping America has raked in more money than they can collectively count, all predicated on the perception that God will make you rich and prosper, IF you give HIM money! ( or really give these ministries your money because they claim that giving to THEM, is giving to God). Hard to imagine that a people will believe that the giving of money, will increase their income. But you see, the ministries are " Using the perceived pressence of God, or involvement of God, to prompt these people to give." They are teaching its Gods will to give THEM money.
Now it can be quite confusing, because God does believe in Giving, its one of HIS ways. The biblical concept of " You reap what you Sow", is being used with great results, as the bankrolls of these ministers is skyrocketing! If you give, God will give to you.
Well what about those who do not give money to a church, what, God ignores them? God gives MORE to unbelievers and people who do not give to churchs, than he does to those who do give to churchs, a simple look at the billionares and millionares list will bear that truth out.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
God gives to every human, the best of his giving is their very Lives, they are alive each and everyday God ressurects them out of sleep, into the next day. And this has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with what THEY give God! Nothing whatsoever. No amount of money or wealth is anywhere near worth Life itself!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
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Greetins Mikael
I agree that God gives to many but God also detroyed pople for example in Sodam and Gohmorrah.
What about the eygptians who were swept away in the exodus?
God loves us all but also gives us free will and it is up to us to get to know God and recognise his universal laws and follow him thaqt sets us free and gives us many Blessings.
God bless you
I agree that God gives to many but God also detroyed pople for example in Sodam and Gohmorrah.
What about the eygptians who were swept away in the exodus?
God loves us all but also gives us free will and it is up to us to get to know God and recognise his universal laws and follow him thaqt sets us free and gives us many Blessings.
God bless you
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The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the Lord and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The Lord informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous." Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the Lord to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..."
In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.
Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.
Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable. There is probably nothing more inhospitable than homosexual gang rape. But to say God completely destroyed two cities and all their inhabitants for being inhospitable clearly misses the point. While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.
Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..."
In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.
Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.
Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable. There is probably nothing more inhospitable than homosexual gang rape. But to say God completely destroyed two cities and all their inhabitants for being inhospitable clearly misses the point. While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308096 wrote: Greetins Mikael
I agree that God gives to many but God also detroyed pople for example in Sodam and Gohmorrah.
What about the eygptians who were swept away in the exodus?
God loves us all but also gives us free will and it is up to us to get to know God and recognise his universal laws and follow him thaqt sets us free and gives us many Blessings.
God bless you
I hold no intrest in Sodom and Gohmorrah, nor in your view of scripture, I have had enough of those who think God has left Salvation up to human will, and their constant need to show some kind of condemnation in humanity.
All homosexuals are destined to be with the God who made them, not one of them is doomed. It was God who created the homosexual " Gene" which created the first homosexual. That homosexual, like most of them, ( not all; of them) had no choice whatsoever in how their nature was preconceived. God wanted Homosexuality to thrive in humanity, and he knows why.
YOU just don't know. I grow tired of views like yours. Always looking to put others down, and then use the bible to bang on them while they are down.
Peace.
I agree that God gives to many but God also detroyed pople for example in Sodam and Gohmorrah.
What about the eygptians who were swept away in the exodus?
God loves us all but also gives us free will and it is up to us to get to know God and recognise his universal laws and follow him thaqt sets us free and gives us many Blessings.
God bless you
I hold no intrest in Sodom and Gohmorrah, nor in your view of scripture, I have had enough of those who think God has left Salvation up to human will, and their constant need to show some kind of condemnation in humanity.
All homosexuals are destined to be with the God who made them, not one of them is doomed. It was God who created the homosexual " Gene" which created the first homosexual. That homosexual, like most of them, ( not all; of them) had no choice whatsoever in how their nature was preconceived. God wanted Homosexuality to thrive in humanity, and he knows why.
YOU just don't know. I grow tired of views like yours. Always looking to put others down, and then use the bible to bang on them while they are down.
Peace.
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Dear Mikael
peace be upon you.
I have no wish to put people down today and know God can heal people who are in sin and will give all a chance.
There is no such thing as a " homosexual" gene. Just as there is no such thing as addiction for example to drugs, alcohol and gambling.
People who believe they are addicted or homosexual are in this position because they belive and declare this about themselves and it is reinforced by others as well as demons. They can be free of this if they truely wish to be in their hearts, and by exorcism if it is deep within them.
So do you not think God destroyed Sodam even though this is in the Bible?
God bless you Mikael
peace be upon you.
I have no wish to put people down today and know God can heal people who are in sin and will give all a chance.
There is no such thing as a " homosexual" gene. Just as there is no such thing as addiction for example to drugs, alcohol and gambling.
People who believe they are addicted or homosexual are in this position because they belive and declare this about themselves and it is reinforced by others as well as demons. They can be free of this if they truely wish to be in their hearts, and by exorcism if it is deep within them.
So do you not think God destroyed Sodam even though this is in the Bible?
God bless you Mikael
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308149 wrote: . Just as there is no such thing as addiction for example to drugs, alcohol and gambling.
yes and no...........i think it becomes an addiction but it starts off as something artificial which people use as some kind of support to help them deal with everyday life when they really need to face up to the reality............bit like religion if you think about it
i have had family members who have been addicted to drugs and gambling.....its not something they can just switch off just like that.....that makes it an addiction
yes and no...........i think it becomes an addiction but it starts off as something artificial which people use as some kind of support to help them deal with everyday life when they really need to face up to the reality............bit like religion if you think about it
i have had family members who have been addicted to drugs and gambling.....its not something they can just switch off just like that.....that makes it an addiction
The dogs philosophy on life. If you cant eat it, hump it or fight it,........ Pee on it and walk away!!
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The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Dear "freetruth seeker", when you abandon sanity, and wade off into waters of "God" things, you will find all kind people's differences in acounts, and theories as to what, and in which way something happened thousands of years ago, if happened at all...
and if you try to argue with other insane, irrational people, you will find yourself in murky waters, because each person definitions, and acounts to subject of imaginary god, depends of each person level of insanity, which you can trace to their childhood problems, developmental, or any other problems that pushed them over the edge of reasonable and realistic thinking.
and if you try to argue with other insane, irrational people, you will find yourself in murky waters, because each person definitions, and acounts to subject of imaginary god, depends of each person level of insanity, which you can trace to their childhood problems, developmental, or any other problems that pushed them over the edge of reasonable and realistic thinking.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308149 wrote: Dear Mikael
peace be upon you.
I have no wish to put people down today and know God can heal people who are in sin and will give all a chance.
There is no such thing as a " homosexual" gene. Just as there is no such thing as addiction for example to drugs, alcohol and gambling.
People who believe they are addicted or homosexual are in this position because they belive and declare this about themselves and it is reinforced by others as well as demons. They can be free of this if they truely wish to be in their hearts, and by exorcism if it is deep within them.
So do you not think God destroyed Sodam even though this is in the Bible?
God bless you Mikael
I hold no intrest in what God has destroyed, only in what he is building, and he is building the complette Salvation of humanity and is giving us the benefits of his work. God didnot send Jesus to destroy humanity, he was sent here to save us all. And part of that is to save us from the perverted views of religion, which IS interested in Gods destroying things, religion IS interested in the condemnation of unbelievers, and IS interested in the spreading of the false teaching that human will is free to choose a Salvation that itself is free. AS if God based such an important gift as Salvation on the ever narrowing human will.
I hold absolutely no intrest whastsoever in your views of this incredible free Salvation of Gods Grace, None! While you spread your view of God and the bible, I will spread mine. In my view, Homosexuality was placed into humanity by the power that created it. I admit that some homosexuals are that by choice, but I believe most of them had their natures fixed within them even before they were born, and had no choice. I view Atheism in this same manner, as well as addictions. These states of being was predetermined, and people are just living out their lives in a very powerful binding of their wills. Human will is absolutely FAR to weak and gullible for a wise God to use it to determine Salvation.
I have made a study of the human condition, I have SEEN people in my own family literally born with a predisposition to certain human charactheristics, such as homosexuality, or addiction. And religion is an addiction as well, it has done far worse damage to humanity than homosexuality ever will.
Peace.
peace be upon you.
I have no wish to put people down today and know God can heal people who are in sin and will give all a chance.
There is no such thing as a " homosexual" gene. Just as there is no such thing as addiction for example to drugs, alcohol and gambling.
People who believe they are addicted or homosexual are in this position because they belive and declare this about themselves and it is reinforced by others as well as demons. They can be free of this if they truely wish to be in their hearts, and by exorcism if it is deep within them.
So do you not think God destroyed Sodam even though this is in the Bible?
God bless you Mikael
I hold no intrest in what God has destroyed, only in what he is building, and he is building the complette Salvation of humanity and is giving us the benefits of his work. God didnot send Jesus to destroy humanity, he was sent here to save us all. And part of that is to save us from the perverted views of religion, which IS interested in Gods destroying things, religion IS interested in the condemnation of unbelievers, and IS interested in the spreading of the false teaching that human will is free to choose a Salvation that itself is free. AS if God based such an important gift as Salvation on the ever narrowing human will.
I hold absolutely no intrest whastsoever in your views of this incredible free Salvation of Gods Grace, None! While you spread your view of God and the bible, I will spread mine. In my view, Homosexuality was placed into humanity by the power that created it. I admit that some homosexuals are that by choice, but I believe most of them had their natures fixed within them even before they were born, and had no choice. I view Atheism in this same manner, as well as addictions. These states of being was predetermined, and people are just living out their lives in a very powerful binding of their wills. Human will is absolutely FAR to weak and gullible for a wise God to use it to determine Salvation.
I have made a study of the human condition, I have SEEN people in my own family literally born with a predisposition to certain human charactheristics, such as homosexuality, or addiction. And religion is an addiction as well, it has done far worse damage to humanity than homosexuality ever will.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Religion is an addiction, and it has " Done Things" to the consciousness of humanity. Its the worse addiction out there, in my view, because it seeks to pervert our after life, it extends its reach into Heaven, perverting even Gods reputation and his word. Other addictions don't do this, so this religion addict is the most dangerous.
Thats why I don't like them, but I know they have been predetermined also, they are only doing what they are supposed to do, wreck confusion into humanity. Thats what Atheist are supposed to do, were created to do, add to this confusion religion has been born to cause.
God is directly responsible for this all, he planted this on earth in the garden of Eden, thats WHY NONE of us are doomed! Its not our fault, and not dependant on our wills or our beliefs. We are surrounded by foolishness, and were predetermined to live out our lives IN the foolishness.
Because we really are not now Living our true Lives, we are still within Gods " Womb", and have not yet been born into our real destiny.
And I want to go into what the Womb of God is, its " This Earth."
Peace.
Thats why I don't like them, but I know they have been predetermined also, they are only doing what they are supposed to do, wreck confusion into humanity. Thats what Atheist are supposed to do, were created to do, add to this confusion religion has been born to cause.
God is directly responsible for this all, he planted this on earth in the garden of Eden, thats WHY NONE of us are doomed! Its not our fault, and not dependant on our wills or our beliefs. We are surrounded by foolishness, and were predetermined to live out our lives IN the foolishness.
Because we really are not now Living our true Lives, we are still within Gods " Womb", and have not yet been born into our real destiny.
And I want to go into what the Womb of God is, its " This Earth."
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:
shows how much he cares
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beowulf;1308203 wrote: :rolleyes::rolleyes:
shows how much he cares
Tabulation of the total amount of humans God has killed, turning that into a graph, and then stating that it shows how much he cares, is a childish display of emotional misunderstanding of Gods purpose in killing. God does not kill to show how much he cares, he kills humans in order to put them to sleep until he ressurects them into eternal glory.
He shows how much he cares by letting people like you live, after posting such garbage against his characther.
Peace.
shows how much he cares
Tabulation of the total amount of humans God has killed, turning that into a graph, and then stating that it shows how much he cares, is a childish display of emotional misunderstanding of Gods purpose in killing. God does not kill to show how much he cares, he kills humans in order to put them to sleep until he ressurects them into eternal glory.
He shows how much he cares by letting people like you live, after posting such garbage against his characther.
Peace.
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beowulf;1308177 wrote: yes and no...........i think it becomes an addiction but it starts off as something artificial which people use as some kind of support to help them deal with everyday life when they really need to face up to the reality............bit like religion if you think about it
Yes I agree with this but as i HAVE POINTED OUT BEFORE,
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. i HAVE A TRUE SPIRITUAL TWO WAY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD and I did not come to this from a point of desperation although I do acknoledge that many do. I also had what I belived was a habit with alcohol in the past but am free from this now and it was amazingly easy with God
i have had family members who have been addicted to drugs and gambling.....its not something they can just switch off just like that.....that makes it an addiction
You seak of your relatives "addiction" in the past tense or is it that they are no longer here on earth? I agree that man alone cannot just switch off what they BELIEVE is an addiction alone, but by asking God to help it is magically easy indeed. The power of belief about oneself is never to be underestimated and by declaring this belief verbally "by word" about oneself is also profoundly powerful and an open invitation to demons to jump on you and push this belief further and if one keeps delaring and believing this about oneself it can indeed become an absolute obsession, AND A possesion!!!
Where did this amazing universe come from my friend and who WROTE the DNA code and instruction manual?
Yes I agree with this but as i HAVE POINTED OUT BEFORE,
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. i HAVE A TRUE SPIRITUAL TWO WAY RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD and I did not come to this from a point of desperation although I do acknoledge that many do. I also had what I belived was a habit with alcohol in the past but am free from this now and it was amazingly easy with God
i have had family members who have been addicted to drugs and gambling.....its not something they can just switch off just like that.....that makes it an addiction
You seak of your relatives "addiction" in the past tense or is it that they are no longer here on earth? I agree that man alone cannot just switch off what they BELIEVE is an addiction alone, but by asking God to help it is magically easy indeed. The power of belief about oneself is never to be underestimated and by declaring this belief verbally "by word" about oneself is also profoundly powerful and an open invitation to demons to jump on you and push this belief further and if one keeps delaring and believing this about oneself it can indeed become an absolute obsession, AND A possesion!!!
Where did this amazing universe come from my friend and who WROTE the DNA code and instruction manual?
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
he shows how much he cares by letting people live? :yh_rotfl
so why does he let mass murderers, child molesters and drug pushers live whilst the people who do good in this world who have never done any one harm, die young?
so why does he let mass murderers, child molesters and drug pushers live whilst the people who do good in this world who have never done any one harm, die young?
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1....please alter what you have qouted as it makes it look like i have said that rubbish
2.....do not call me 'my friend'..............im choosy about who are my friends
2.....do not call me 'my friend'..............im choosy about who are my friends
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308270 wrote: You seak of your relatives "addiction" in the past tense or is it that they are no longer here on earth?
one is, one isnt.....and the death of the one who isnt contributed to the death of another in the family
one is, one isnt.....and the death of the one who isnt contributed to the death of another in the family
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Mickiel;1308258 wrote: he kills humans in order to put them to sleep until he ressurects them into eternal glory.
serious question..........have you ever read the Riverworld series of books by Philip Jose Farmer?............it might make you think :wah:
serious question..........have you ever read the Riverworld series of books by Philip Jose Farmer?............it might make you think :wah:
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Mickiel;1308258 wrote: Tabulation of the total amount of humans God has killed, turning that into a graph, and then stating that it shows how much he cares, is a childish display of emotional misunderstanding of Gods purpose in killing. God does not kill to show how much he cares, he kills humans in order to put them to sleep until he ressurects them into eternal glory.
He shows how much he cares by letting people like you live, after posting such garbage against his characther.
Peace.
one thing i do know is the countless millions of people who have been killed thro the ages 'in Gods name'............weather that name is god, allah,shiva or any other of the countless names he likes to masqerade under.....and that is undeniable...but i guess you will come back with some rubbish about how that is mans doing not god......but then if he did exist why wouldnt he stop any of the slaughters thro the ages as it would have stopped his name being blackened
He shows how much he cares by letting people like you live, after posting such garbage against his characther.
Peace.
one thing i do know is the countless millions of people who have been killed thro the ages 'in Gods name'............weather that name is god, allah,shiva or any other of the countless names he likes to masqerade under.....and that is undeniable...but i guess you will come back with some rubbish about how that is mans doing not god......but then if he did exist why wouldnt he stop any of the slaughters thro the ages as it would have stopped his name being blackened
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DusanS;1308180 wrote: Dear "freetruth seeker", when you abandon sanity, and wade off into waters of "God" things, you will find all kind people's differences in acounts, and theories as to what, and in which way something happened thousands of years ago, if happened at all...
and if you try to argue with other insane, irrational people, you will find yourself in murky waters, because each person definitions, and acounts to subject of imaginary god, depends of each person level of insanity, which you can trace to their childhood problems, developmental, or any other problems that pushed them over the edge of reasonable and realistic thinking.
I understand that what happened thousands of years ago is relevent to whats happening today because all the humanistc faults of the past are still with us today. Lust, greed, cooruption, killing, disease, rape and torture are still with us and man alone will never solve these, Today it is even worse with man made pollutants affecting the weather systems which are blatantly becoming ever more obvious.
Your simple pop psychology is no answer to the human conditions, for all the advances of the new religion, i.e. science, there remain no "logical answers to the questions of why are we here, how did we get here, what causes mental illnesses, why can some people kill random strangers, how did Hitler think he was doing good, how to organise a truely fair society, how to recognise gravity, how to explain the amazing wonders of this universe without recourse to abstract meaningless chance, how to explain the universal althruistic spirit within the overwhelming majority of people around the world. Man will never solve trhe problems in this world alone. Man will never see aliens from another planet. This is the only planet in this awesome universe that has any truely beautiful life and what an awesome variety as well as the only planet that can sustain physically organic and animate lifeforms.
Even the most so called simplistic single cell organisms are, as the latest scientists are discovering are majestically complex. Astrominers are wetting themselves over the possibility that there may have been water on other local planets some time in the past, Carbon dating is speculative and subject to contamination and erroneous guestimates , the age of the universe is due to be revised if physics ever manages to marry quantum theory with macro physics. The harmony in this universe is beautiful yet at the same time man cannot explain why the universe is expanding at increasing velocity when it should be slowing down yet so many people think it fine to treat science as thier big faith! who is dancing with unicorns?
God is Truely amazing
and if you try to argue with other insane, irrational people, you will find yourself in murky waters, because each person definitions, and acounts to subject of imaginary god, depends of each person level of insanity, which you can trace to their childhood problems, developmental, or any other problems that pushed them over the edge of reasonable and realistic thinking.
I understand that what happened thousands of years ago is relevent to whats happening today because all the humanistc faults of the past are still with us today. Lust, greed, cooruption, killing, disease, rape and torture are still with us and man alone will never solve these, Today it is even worse with man made pollutants affecting the weather systems which are blatantly becoming ever more obvious.
Your simple pop psychology is no answer to the human conditions, for all the advances of the new religion, i.e. science, there remain no "logical answers to the questions of why are we here, how did we get here, what causes mental illnesses, why can some people kill random strangers, how did Hitler think he was doing good, how to organise a truely fair society, how to recognise gravity, how to explain the amazing wonders of this universe without recourse to abstract meaningless chance, how to explain the universal althruistic spirit within the overwhelming majority of people around the world. Man will never solve trhe problems in this world alone. Man will never see aliens from another planet. This is the only planet in this awesome universe that has any truely beautiful life and what an awesome variety as well as the only planet that can sustain physically organic and animate lifeforms.
Even the most so called simplistic single cell organisms are, as the latest scientists are discovering are majestically complex. Astrominers are wetting themselves over the possibility that there may have been water on other local planets some time in the past, Carbon dating is speculative and subject to contamination and erroneous guestimates , the age of the universe is due to be revised if physics ever manages to marry quantum theory with macro physics. The harmony in this universe is beautiful yet at the same time man cannot explain why the universe is expanding at increasing velocity when it should be slowing down yet so many people think it fine to treat science as thier big faith! who is dancing with unicorns?
God is Truely amazing
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Mickiel;1308185 wrote: Religion is an addiction, and it has " Done Things" to the consciousness of humanity. Its the worse addiction out there, in my view, because it seeks to pervert our after life, it extends its reach into Heaven, perverting even Gods reputation and his word. Other addictions don't do this, so this religion addict is the most dangerous.
Thats why I don't like them, but I know they have been predetermined also, they are only doing what they are supposed to do, wreck confusion into humanity. Thats what Atheist are supposed to do, were created to do, add to this confusion religion has been born to cause.
God is directly responsible for this all, he planted this on earth in the garden of Eden, thats WHY NONE of us are doomed! Its not our fault, and not dependant on our wills or our beliefs. We are surrounded by foolishness, and were predetermined to live out our lives IN the foolishness.
Because we really are not now Living our true Lives, we are still within Gods " Womb", and have not yet been born into our real destiny.
And I want to go into what the Womb of God is, its " This Earth."
Peace.
I agree tht religions are sometimes unhealthy for some yet Gods spirit shines through even there but the word religion is not in the great book oif life.
I cant accept that we are predetermined as we do have free will to choose between getting to know, love and serve God or indulging in material self indulgant lives. Adam and Eve were free to stay immortal or not and by free will disobeyed God and where then lost thier immortality. God is so great he would not dream of creating robots with no free minds of thier own, where is the Glory in that? it is like a human designing characters in a computer prgramme who rave about the designer but what real satisfaction would that give to the designer?
Read the book of Job, do you really believe that God wishes to have flesh possesed unclean people in his kingdom. Gods nature is full of love and purity. .
Do you just select bits of the bible, I thought this awesome teaching tool had shifted gears in your mind? what about your heart? If you do not know God, how can you love him? go to a non religious church and begin to learn the truth.
The price has been paid for those who eask Jesu into thier life not for them to live thier own life but to be transformed from inside
God Bless you Mikael
Thats why I don't like them, but I know they have been predetermined also, they are only doing what they are supposed to do, wreck confusion into humanity. Thats what Atheist are supposed to do, were created to do, add to this confusion religion has been born to cause.
God is directly responsible for this all, he planted this on earth in the garden of Eden, thats WHY NONE of us are doomed! Its not our fault, and not dependant on our wills or our beliefs. We are surrounded by foolishness, and were predetermined to live out our lives IN the foolishness.
Because we really are not now Living our true Lives, we are still within Gods " Womb", and have not yet been born into our real destiny.
And I want to go into what the Womb of God is, its " This Earth."
Peace.
I agree tht religions are sometimes unhealthy for some yet Gods spirit shines through even there but the word religion is not in the great book oif life.
I cant accept that we are predetermined as we do have free will to choose between getting to know, love and serve God or indulging in material self indulgant lives. Adam and Eve were free to stay immortal or not and by free will disobeyed God and where then lost thier immortality. God is so great he would not dream of creating robots with no free minds of thier own, where is the Glory in that? it is like a human designing characters in a computer prgramme who rave about the designer but what real satisfaction would that give to the designer?
Read the book of Job, do you really believe that God wishes to have flesh possesed unclean people in his kingdom. Gods nature is full of love and purity. .
Do you just select bits of the bible, I thought this awesome teaching tool had shifted gears in your mind? what about your heart? If you do not know God, how can you love him? go to a non religious church and begin to learn the truth.
The price has been paid for those who eask Jesu into thier life not for them to live thier own life but to be transformed from inside
God Bless you Mikael
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beowulf;1308271 wrote: he shows how much he cares by letting people live? :yh_rotfl
so why does he let mass murderers, child molesters and drug pushers live whilst the people who do good in this world who have never done any one harm, die young?.
If you really understand you will know that to die young in this human life is to be with God sooner in everlasting life and can be a lesson for those still on earth as well as a blessing for the person who has died yoiung to be with our Father sooner in Gods amazing Kingdom.
If any of my family die, I am so happy for them to be free of this world and to join our Lord in heaven
so why does he let mass murderers, child molesters and drug pushers live whilst the people who do good in this world who have never done any one harm, die young?.
If you really understand you will know that to die young in this human life is to be with God sooner in everlasting life and can be a lesson for those still on earth as well as a blessing for the person who has died yoiung to be with our Father sooner in Gods amazing Kingdom.
If any of my family die, I am so happy for them to be free of this world and to join our Lord in heaven
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
beowulf;1308278 wrote: one thing i do know is the countless millions of people who have been killed thro the ages 'in Gods name'............weather that name is god, allah,shiva or any other of the countless names he likes to masqerade under.....and that is undeniable...but i guess you will come back with some rubbish about how that is mans doing not god......but then if he did exist why wouldnt he stop any of the slaughters thro the ages as it would have stopped his name being blackened
Because he wants the slaughter to continue, and it will. God is not concerned that his name is being blackened, the outcome is his, the beginning is his, goodness, all things are his. Such a being need not worry about what humans think of him.
ALL life and death is Gods doing, and hes going to kill a whole lot more of us, -- a whole lot!
And theres absolutely nothing any of us can do about it.
Peace.
Because he wants the slaughter to continue, and it will. God is not concerned that his name is being blackened, the outcome is his, the beginning is his, goodness, all things are his. Such a being need not worry about what humans think of him.
ALL life and death is Gods doing, and hes going to kill a whole lot more of us, -- a whole lot!
And theres absolutely nothing any of us can do about it.
Peace.
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308291 wrote:
If you do not know God, how can you love him? go to a non religious church and begin to learn the truth.
The price has been paid for those who eask Jesu into thier life not for them to live thier own life but to be transformed from inside
God Bless you Mikael
I don't Love as I would like to. And I have been to churchs, they have nothing for me. I like the truth I am learning on my own, I do not need churchs, nor the advice of church people.
I walk alone, and my direction in this life has been predetermined.
I would rather be in the Darkness, than the perverted light of religion.
Peace.
If you do not know God, how can you love him? go to a non religious church and begin to learn the truth.
The price has been paid for those who eask Jesu into thier life not for them to live thier own life but to be transformed from inside
God Bless you Mikael
I don't Love as I would like to. And I have been to churchs, they have nothing for me. I like the truth I am learning on my own, I do not need churchs, nor the advice of church people.
I walk alone, and my direction in this life has been predetermined.
I would rather be in the Darkness, than the perverted light of religion.
Peace.
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Thasnks agfain Mikael, how many times do I need to tell you I am not religious?
I also note you have not answered the previous post I addressed to you at all.
It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
I also note you have not answered the previous post I addressed to you at all.
It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308482 wrote: Thasnks agfain Mikael, how many times do I need to tell you I am not religious?
I also note you have not answered the previous post I addressed to you at all.
It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
how can you say you are not religious and then go on about praying to god?
by the way......he isnt alone
I also note you have not answered the previous post I addressed to you at all.
It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
how can you say you are not religious and then go on about praying to god?
by the way......he isnt alone
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Because praying is not religious but spiritual.
Religious to myu understanding is ritualistic and repetitive, and who is not alone?
God bless you
Religious to myu understanding is ritualistic and repetitive, and who is not alone?
God bless you
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Mickiel;1308310 wrote:
I would rather be in the Darkness, than the perverted light of religion.
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308482 wrote:
It is not good to walk alone in this workd
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308597 wrote: Because praying is not religious but spiritual.
Religious to myu understanding is ritualistic and repetitive, and who is not alone?
God bless you
mickiel is not alone in his preferance 'to walk alone' and not be lied to by religion
and as for praying not being religeus.....:rolleyes: whatever!...you have a very strange view on things
I would rather be in the Darkness, than the perverted light of religion.
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308482 wrote:
It is not good to walk alone in this workd
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308597 wrote: Because praying is not religious but spiritual.
Religious to myu understanding is ritualistic and repetitive, and who is not alone?
God bless you
mickiel is not alone in his preferance 'to walk alone' and not be lied to by religion
and as for praying not being religeus.....:rolleyes: whatever!...you have a very strange view on things
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It is only strange to those who Don't know our awesome Creator.
It is starnger still to think this universe came from nowhere and nothing and that life arose by chance on this planet and we came from the simplist organisms which are also invredibly complext and that DNA originated from nowhere.
God bless you
It is starnger still to think this universe came from nowhere and nothing and that life arose by chance on this planet and we came from the simplist organisms which are also invredibly complext and that DNA originated from nowhere.
God bless you
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freethinkingthuthseeker;1308482 wrote:
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It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
Well no, its not good, but for now, its the path for me.
I walk away from religion, from the interpitations of men, and into the unknown, and grope and hope to one day find our God.
Peace on your journey.
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It is not good to walk alone in this workd towards God,pray for our Lord to guide you in truth in Jeus name
God bless you
Well no, its not good, but for now, its the path for me.
I walk away from religion, from the interpitations of men, and into the unknown, and grope and hope to one day find our God.
Peace on your journey.
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The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Thank you Mikael
but if you do not yet have the Holy spirit tyo guide you in youre understanding of the Bible you will walk alone for a long long time
I truely am not religious and I just go to a church sometimes which does amazing worship services to God and is full of Holy Spirit when this happens, it is such a rich amazing experience, there is nothing like this on earth.
God wants you to get to know Him and the way is through inviting Jesus into your life from your heart and accepting that without Jesus we cannot be free from Sin and also confessing and asking forgiveness for sin from God in Jesus name.
pray this from your heart and keep praying this and sooner or later You will feel Gods blessings and start to understand better and start to be transformed internally. It is such a rich life one you are born again my friend but God will only answer you when he knows your heart is ready for him
God bless you to be hungry
but if you do not yet have the Holy spirit tyo guide you in youre understanding of the Bible you will walk alone for a long long time
I truely am not religious and I just go to a church sometimes which does amazing worship services to God and is full of Holy Spirit when this happens, it is such a rich amazing experience, there is nothing like this on earth.
God wants you to get to know Him and the way is through inviting Jesus into your life from your heart and accepting that without Jesus we cannot be free from Sin and also confessing and asking forgiveness for sin from God in Jesus name.
pray this from your heart and keep praying this and sooner or later You will feel Gods blessings and start to understand better and start to be transformed internally. It is such a rich life one you are born again my friend but God will only answer you when he knows your heart is ready for him
God bless you to be hungry
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
:rolleyes:
good grief, you dont half talk some contradictory clap trap
you talk about not being religious but go to church, you pray to god but claim it isnt religeous but praying is a religeous activity
think you need to clarify things with yourself
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good grief, you dont half talk some contradictory clap trap
you talk about not being religious but go to church, you pray to god but claim it isnt religeous but praying is a religeous activity
think you need to clarify things with yourself
Attached files
The dogs philosophy on life. If you cant eat it, hump it or fight it,........ Pee on it and walk away!!
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The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
freethinkingthuthseeker;1308848 wrote: Thank you Mikael
but if you do not yet have the Holy spirit tyo guide you in youre understanding of the Bible you will walk alone for a long long time
I truely am not religious and I just go to a church sometimes which does amazing worship services to God and is full of Holy Spirit when this happens, it is such a rich amazing experience, there is nothing like this on earth.
God wants you to get to know Him and the way is through inviting Jesus into your life from your heart and accepting that without Jesus we cannot be free from Sin and also confessing and asking forgiveness for sin from God in Jesus name.
pray this from your heart and keep praying this and sooner or later You will feel Gods blessings and start to understand better and start to be transformed internally. It is such a rich life one you are born again my friend but God will only answer you when he knows your heart is ready for him
God bless you to be hungry
I like my prayers the way they are, and I do not accept suggestions as for what to talk to God about, I need none. I hold no intrest in what other believers think I should do about my situation, I deal only with God.
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
but if you do not yet have the Holy spirit tyo guide you in youre understanding of the Bible you will walk alone for a long long time
I truely am not religious and I just go to a church sometimes which does amazing worship services to God and is full of Holy Spirit when this happens, it is such a rich amazing experience, there is nothing like this on earth.
God wants you to get to know Him and the way is through inviting Jesus into your life from your heart and accepting that without Jesus we cannot be free from Sin and also confessing and asking forgiveness for sin from God in Jesus name.
pray this from your heart and keep praying this and sooner or later You will feel Gods blessings and start to understand better and start to be transformed internally. It is such a rich life one you are born again my friend but God will only answer you when he knows your heart is ready for him
God bless you to be hungry
I like my prayers the way they are, and I do not accept suggestions as for what to talk to God about, I need none. I hold no intrest in what other believers think I should do about my situation, I deal only with God.
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1308880 wrote: I like my prayers the way they are, and I do not accept suggestions as for what to talk to God about, I need none. I hold no intrest in what other believers think I should do about my situation, I deal only with God.
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
This puts me in the mind of moving away from the " Thite Topic" I was on, and to go into what a " Personal Relationship with God really is." I admit that I don't have that with him now, but I know something of what it would be, because I know what " Personal Relationship" means. But I don't think many believers in God know what it is, they just " Claim it."
Do you KNOW what it entails to say that you are in a Relationship with God?
And let me go into what a Real Relationship is.
Peace.
And if he says nothing to me, that is his answer for now. And I accept that, and keep my place in the Darkness. You don't know Gods plans for me, but I already know that.
My path is to walk alone in the Darkness, and only the God who put me there can release me. And you have no idea how hungry I am for Righteousness.
But I appriciate your concern, I will be just fine.
Peace.
This puts me in the mind of moving away from the " Thite Topic" I was on, and to go into what a " Personal Relationship with God really is." I admit that I don't have that with him now, but I know something of what it would be, because I know what " Personal Relationship" means. But I don't think many believers in God know what it is, they just " Claim it."
Do you KNOW what it entails to say that you are in a Relationship with God?
And let me go into what a Real Relationship is.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
A " Personal Relationship" is NOT a " Perceived Relationship." A perceived relationship is an " Imagined Relationship", or one that the individual would " Like to have." The person desires it to be, although there is no real connection between the two. A Relationship means the two " Are Connected" in some real manner on both ends. Such as in " Kinship", the relation is by blood. Or in Marriage they are combined by vows and law. But there has to be a connection showing relation.
Now, in the believer and God, what would be the connection that defines Relationship? Well the most obvious answer to that which I understand, is the believer having Gods Spirit inside of them. That would be the strongest connection and the most " Obvious sign."
Can you KNOW when you have it, and conversely KNOW that you do not? Well I think yes to both.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Now, in the believer and God, what would be the connection that defines Relationship? Well the most obvious answer to that which I understand, is the believer having Gods Spirit inside of them. That would be the strongest connection and the most " Obvious sign."
Can you KNOW when you have it, and conversely KNOW that you do not? Well I think yes to both.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1308886 wrote: A " Personal Relationship" is NOT a " Perceived Relationship." A perceived relationship is an " Imagined Relationship", or one that the individual would " Like to have." The person desires it to be, although there is no real connection between the two. A Relationship means the two " Are Connected" in some real manner on both ends. Such as in " Kinship", the relation is by blood. Or in Marriage they are combined by vows and law. But there has to be a connection showing relation.
Now, in the believer and God, what would be the connection that defines Relationship? Well the most obvious answer to that which I understand, is the believer having Gods Spirit inside of them. That would be the strongest connection and the most " Obvious sign."
Can you KNOW when you have it, and conversely KNOW that you do not? Well I think yes to both.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I would venture to say that most, if not all of the people on earth who claim to have Gods Spirit, simply do not, they just have a strong desire for it, or a strong assumption that they have it. And that is " Perceived Relationship", which is strong enough within itself to deceive a person all of their lives! For example, observe Jesus comment in Matt. 7:22-23, here we have people who were " Prophets , and doing Prophecy in Jesus name, people were casting out demons and performing Miracles", and yet Christ told them, " I never knew you."
They were in a " Perceived relationship" with Christ, not a real one. But they were " Self Convinced" and thought they were doing things for God, blessed by God, empowered by God, and that they were living that life.
But they were not, and I am willing to tell you that NOBODY could tell them that they were not in relationship with God.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Now, in the believer and God, what would be the connection that defines Relationship? Well the most obvious answer to that which I understand, is the believer having Gods Spirit inside of them. That would be the strongest connection and the most " Obvious sign."
Can you KNOW when you have it, and conversely KNOW that you do not? Well I think yes to both.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I would venture to say that most, if not all of the people on earth who claim to have Gods Spirit, simply do not, they just have a strong desire for it, or a strong assumption that they have it. And that is " Perceived Relationship", which is strong enough within itself to deceive a person all of their lives! For example, observe Jesus comment in Matt. 7:22-23, here we have people who were " Prophets , and doing Prophecy in Jesus name, people were casting out demons and performing Miracles", and yet Christ told them, " I never knew you."
They were in a " Perceived relationship" with Christ, not a real one. But they were " Self Convinced" and thought they were doing things for God, blessed by God, empowered by God, and that they were living that life.
But they were not, and I am willing to tell you that NOBODY could tell them that they were not in relationship with God.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
I would also venture to say that most of the information given by human believers on earth concerning God, has been put out by humans who were not in a relationship with God, but only in a " Romantic Perceived Relationship with him." And thats one reason why there is so much confusion out there. Romance cannot be the only connection in a Relationship , there must be committment from both sides. The Romance with God from humans can be VERY Strong, they can actually believe with all their Hearts, but if God has not given HIS Committment, or his Holy Spirit either " With them", or " In them", then they are just Romantically connected with God, and that has no real Power of Gods Truth, but it DOES have obvious benefits anyway, and those benefits can Add to the false perception of Relationship.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
And I want to get into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
God is on his own timetable, thats for sure, and just as sure, we all are included in his plans. But were going to just have to wait on him, thats for sure too. Oh he will enter into a very personal relationship with all of us, but just not as of now. But many of us just cannot wait for that, so we enter into a " Virtual Romance" with God and take that to be a Relationship. A " Virtual Romance" has essence, but its just not a fact. It can have efficacy and be effective, but its just not in actuality. What I mean by that is this: Gods ways can be humanly duplicated in very small degrees of living, and those degrees will work and defintely show good results. And that can be seductive and give impression that leads the believer into perceiving that they actually have Gods Spirit, when really all they have is the " Natural Benefits" of being obedient to Gods ways of being, and only that to a certain degree.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
There is only one sure way to determine a real Relationship with God , that I know of. In Galations 5:22-23, if a human has Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness and Self Control, comming out of them Continually, those are sure signs of a Personal Relationship with God. This is how I judge myself, its how I Know that I am not in one with him.
Thats just a stark reality that I have accepted, and its not a thing to be easily accepted by a believer in God. It kills illusion and emotional sight, and gets down to the " Personal Proof of things."
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Thats just a stark reality that I have accepted, and its not a thing to be easily accepted by a believer in God. It kills illusion and emotional sight, and gets down to the " Personal Proof of things."
And I want to go into that.
Peace.