Some evolutionist brazenly claim that life formed in a pool of chemicals, which somehow appeared on a planet, which came from nowhere. These chemicals magically created themselves. Chemicals then formed themselves into DNA, which is a molecule that contains as much information as a volume of an encyclopedia.
The evolution theory of lifes orgin, is analogus to suggesting that an explosion in a junkyard could produce a fully assembled automobile, and that this automobile could then begin reproducing itself. A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297178 wrote: Some evolutionist brazenly claim that life formed in a pool of chemicals, which somehow appeared on a planet, which came from nowhere. These chemicals magically created themselves. Chemicals then formed themselves into DNA, which is a molecule that contains as much information as a volume of an encyclopedia.
The evolution theory of lifes orgin, is analogus to suggesting that an explosion in a junkyard could produce a fully assembled automobile, and that this automobile could then begin reproducing itself. A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
And this is something to observe, how evolutions theory has shifted the gears in many peoples minds. As I have been shifted by the bible, they by evloutions theory. But I can't get to " The meat of this most powerful suggestion by the theory of evolution", that a lesser power can evolve from nothing, and then turn itself, over time, into a far greater power. I can't accept that as reason. Intelligence being birthed from non-intellect! Or flesh being birthed from rock and water. Order being birthed from non-order. No man, thats not for my mind. My mind was created for reason, it came from reason, it didnot come from the nothing!
Peace.
The evolution theory of lifes orgin, is analogus to suggesting that an explosion in a junkyard could produce a fully assembled automobile, and that this automobile could then begin reproducing itself. A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
And this is something to observe, how evolutions theory has shifted the gears in many peoples minds. As I have been shifted by the bible, they by evloutions theory. But I can't get to " The meat of this most powerful suggestion by the theory of evolution", that a lesser power can evolve from nothing, and then turn itself, over time, into a far greater power. I can't accept that as reason. Intelligence being birthed from non-intellect! Or flesh being birthed from rock and water. Order being birthed from non-order. No man, thats not for my mind. My mind was created for reason, it came from reason, it didnot come from the nothing!
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297178 wrote: A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
1. Evolutionary theory has come a long way since you studied it 40 years ago. We have new DNA evidence by the truck-load including a complete map of the migration of human DNA across the planet.
2. New evidence suggests that life on Earth traveled through space in the form of spores which can resist freezing, and even hard radiation, for thousands of years.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
1. Evolutionary theory has come a long way since you studied it 40 years ago. We have new DNA evidence by the truck-load including a complete map of the migration of human DNA across the planet.
2. New evidence suggests that life on Earth traveled through space in the form of spores which can resist freezing, and even hard radiation, for thousands of years.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
From: The Scientific American
A new study finds that a pair of chemical building blocks similar to those in genetic material was present in a meteorite before it fell to Earth in the 1960s. Researchers say the finding makes it slightly more plausible that meteorite bombardments may have seeded ancient Earth with life's raw materials, potentially paving the way for life itself.
Part of the scientific mystery of how life emerged is the origin of chemical building blocks: Were they created by chemical reactions on Earth or did they, perhaps, hitch rides on meteorites that may have germinated our and other planets in our solar system with the same molecules? By studying meteorite fragments, such as those that fell in 1969 near the town of Murchison, in the southeastern Australian state of Victoria, researchers have learned that they contain carbon-based compounds that most likely formed in space, including sugars and amino acids.
A new study finds that a pair of chemical building blocks similar to those in genetic material was present in a meteorite before it fell to Earth in the 1960s. Researchers say the finding makes it slightly more plausible that meteorite bombardments may have seeded ancient Earth with life's raw materials, potentially paving the way for life itself.
Part of the scientific mystery of how life emerged is the origin of chemical building blocks: Were they created by chemical reactions on Earth or did they, perhaps, hitch rides on meteorites that may have germinated our and other planets in our solar system with the same molecules? By studying meteorite fragments, such as those that fell in 1969 near the town of Murchison, in the southeastern Australian state of Victoria, researchers have learned that they contain carbon-based compounds that most likely formed in space, including sugars and amino acids.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297178 wrote: Some evolutionist brazenly claim that life formed in a pool of chemicals, which somehow appeared on a planet, which came from nowhere. These chemicals magically created themselves. Chemicals then formed themselves into DNA, which is a molecule that contains as much information as a volume of an encyclopedia.
The evolution theory of lifes orgin, is analogus to suggesting that an explosion in a junkyard could produce a fully assembled automobile, and that this automobile could then begin reproducing itself. A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
Maybe we should shut down all science and investigation and put our selves entirely in the hands of religion. Forget all concepts of free thought, critical thinking and all reasoning. Stop asking questions, the answers just get in the way.
Intelligent design ? So many design faults. Who would consider that eating and talking through the same orifice in our head is a bright idea ? Fraught with design faults that one. Back to the drawing board eh ?
The Lord's my Shepherd ? Some shepherd
We are both following a pied piper. They are simply playing a different tune. I just prefer mine to yours
Peace
The evolution theory of lifes orgin, is analogus to suggesting that an explosion in a junkyard could produce a fully assembled automobile, and that this automobile could then begin reproducing itself. A power by itself, without intelligence, without direction, then produced a power greater than itself, and then gave itself direction.
Incredible assumption! Simply incredible inane inundio that has sucked people in like a pied piper.
Peace.
Maybe we should shut down all science and investigation and put our selves entirely in the hands of religion. Forget all concepts of free thought, critical thinking and all reasoning. Stop asking questions, the answers just get in the way.
Intelligent design ? So many design faults. Who would consider that eating and talking through the same orifice in our head is a bright idea ? Fraught with design faults that one. Back to the drawing board eh ?
The Lord's my Shepherd ? Some shepherd
We are both following a pied piper. They are simply playing a different tune. I just prefer mine to yours
Peace
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297179 wrote: Intelligence being birthed from non-intellect!
You should check out the videos of an octopus using a tool on a crab recently. The entire Universe is designed to bring forth intelligence from non-intelligence since it is the ultimate survival tool. Intelligence is so much better than fangs and claws, as a matter of fact, that scientists now believe that intelligence will spring up anywhere life exists and since we now know that Earth-like planets are prolific in our galaxy that's almost everywhere.
Or flesh being birthed from rock and water.
Not "rock and water." Amino acids, sugars, and proteins. All of which have been found on meteors.
Order being birthed from non-order.
Yet isn't "order from non-order" EXACTLY what you attribute to God when He said, "Let there be light?" You see, you do believe in that.
My mind was created for reason,
Then why on Earth would you turn your back on the reasoned scientific facts and explanations that mankind has discovered. You are like someone shouting "The Sun revolves around the Earth" in Gallileo's time.
You continue to think that science threatens your beliefs. To you, science and religion cannot both be right, so you choose religion. That's just not true....
Science is the process of trying to understand HOW the Universe works.
Religion is the process of trying to understand WHY the Universe works.
There's no reason they can't both be right.
My God, unlike yours, is a very large and powerful God. He created the entire Universe, set up it's physical laws and designed the Universe to bring forth life. Not only that, His system of evolution is designed to make sure that life evolves intelligence. (In His image...remember?)
So I know that the Universe is teeming with intelligence, all striving to be closer and closer to God and His perfection.
You should check out the videos of an octopus using a tool on a crab recently. The entire Universe is designed to bring forth intelligence from non-intelligence since it is the ultimate survival tool. Intelligence is so much better than fangs and claws, as a matter of fact, that scientists now believe that intelligence will spring up anywhere life exists and since we now know that Earth-like planets are prolific in our galaxy that's almost everywhere.
Or flesh being birthed from rock and water.
Not "rock and water." Amino acids, sugars, and proteins. All of which have been found on meteors.
Order being birthed from non-order.
Yet isn't "order from non-order" EXACTLY what you attribute to God when He said, "Let there be light?" You see, you do believe in that.
My mind was created for reason,
Then why on Earth would you turn your back on the reasoned scientific facts and explanations that mankind has discovered. You are like someone shouting "The Sun revolves around the Earth" in Gallileo's time.
You continue to think that science threatens your beliefs. To you, science and religion cannot both be right, so you choose religion. That's just not true....
Science is the process of trying to understand HOW the Universe works.
Religion is the process of trying to understand WHY the Universe works.
There's no reason they can't both be right.
My God, unlike yours, is a very large and powerful God. He created the entire Universe, set up it's physical laws and designed the Universe to bring forth life. Not only that, His system of evolution is designed to make sure that life evolves intelligence. (In His image...remember?)
So I know that the Universe is teeming with intelligence, all striving to be closer and closer to God and His perfection.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
I simply have no intrest, no taste for the bland reasoning and wild assumption those who believe in evolution must produce to give their reasoning merit. Speaking of taste, most are familar with the cuddly " Koala Bears" and have heard of " Eucalyptus Trees". They have a special relationship that has creation design written all over it. Each is native to only one place on earth- Australia. Koalas eat nothing but " Eucalptus Leaves", often living their entire lives in one grove.
They also derive moisture from these leaves because they almost never drink water. Koalas posses specfic micro-organisms in their digestive systems necessary to break down the elements in eucalyptus leaves that are toxic to every other creature! These toxins are actually converted into vitamins.
How could this evolve? Its impossible in evolution. They had to be created with the micro organisms already present in their stomachs. Without them, they would have eaten Eucalyptus leaves and died. Many naturalist consider them to have the most advanced digestive systems on the planet. Their low 5% protein intake with tannins and toxins, would kill other animals.
Is it random luck that they developed a taste for these leaves and just happened to have the right micro-organisms to digest them? Well this is the kind of idiot assumption that evolution would have your belief take. Just as it would have you assume that our intellect comes from the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
Peace.
They also derive moisture from these leaves because they almost never drink water. Koalas posses specfic micro-organisms in their digestive systems necessary to break down the elements in eucalyptus leaves that are toxic to every other creature! These toxins are actually converted into vitamins.
How could this evolve? Its impossible in evolution. They had to be created with the micro organisms already present in their stomachs. Without them, they would have eaten Eucalyptus leaves and died. Many naturalist consider them to have the most advanced digestive systems on the planet. Their low 5% protein intake with tannins and toxins, would kill other animals.
Is it random luck that they developed a taste for these leaves and just happened to have the right micro-organisms to digest them? Well this is the kind of idiot assumption that evolution would have your belief take. Just as it would have you assume that our intellect comes from the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297213 wrote:
How could this evolve? Its impossible in evolution.
Symbiotic organisms are found all over in nature. (See: termites.) They evolved together at the same time.
While historically, symbiosis has received less attention than other interactions such as predation or competition,it is increasingly recognised as an important selective force behind evolution, with many species having a long history of interdependent co-evolution. In fact, the evolution of all eukaryotes (plants, animals, fungi, and protists) is believed under the endosymbiotic theory to have resulted from a symbiosis between various sorts of bacteria.
The biologist Lynn Margulis, famous for her work on endosymbiosis, contends that symbiosis is a major driving force behind evolution. She considers Darwin's notion of evolution, driven by competition, as incomplete and claims that evolution is strongly based on co-operation, interaction, and mutual dependence among organisms. According to Margulis and Dorion Sagan, "Life did not take over the globe by combat, but by networking."[25]
[edit]Co-evolution
Symbiosis played a major role in the co-evolution of flowering plants and the animals that pollinate them. Many plants that are pollinated by insects, bats, or birds have highly specialized flowers modified to promote pollination by a specific pollinator that is also correspondingly adapted. The first flowering plants in the fossil record had relatively simple flowers. Adaptive speciation quickly gave rise to many diverse groups of plants, and, at the same time, corresponding speciation occurred in certain insect groups. Some groups of plants developed nectar and large sticky pollen, while insects evolved more specialized morphologies to access and collect these rich food sources. In some taxa of plants and insects the relationship has become dependent,[26] where the plant species can only be pollinated by one species of insect.[27]
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the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
The great apes all have primitive languages. Not only that, they can learn American Sign Language. You, however, don't seem to be able to learn at all.:-5
How could this evolve? Its impossible in evolution.
Symbiotic organisms are found all over in nature. (See: termites.) They evolved together at the same time.
While historically, symbiosis has received less attention than other interactions such as predation or competition,it is increasingly recognised as an important selective force behind evolution, with many species having a long history of interdependent co-evolution. In fact, the evolution of all eukaryotes (plants, animals, fungi, and protists) is believed under the endosymbiotic theory to have resulted from a symbiosis between various sorts of bacteria.
The biologist Lynn Margulis, famous for her work on endosymbiosis, contends that symbiosis is a major driving force behind evolution. She considers Darwin's notion of evolution, driven by competition, as incomplete and claims that evolution is strongly based on co-operation, interaction, and mutual dependence among organisms. According to Margulis and Dorion Sagan, "Life did not take over the globe by combat, but by networking."[25]
[edit]Co-evolution
Symbiosis played a major role in the co-evolution of flowering plants and the animals that pollinate them. Many plants that are pollinated by insects, bats, or birds have highly specialized flowers modified to promote pollination by a specific pollinator that is also correspondingly adapted. The first flowering plants in the fossil record had relatively simple flowers. Adaptive speciation quickly gave rise to many diverse groups of plants, and, at the same time, corresponding speciation occurred in certain insect groups. Some groups of plants developed nectar and large sticky pollen, while insects evolved more specialized morphologies to access and collect these rich food sources. In some taxa of plants and insects the relationship has become dependent,[26] where the plant species can only be pollinated by one species of insect.[27]
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the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
The great apes all have primitive languages. Not only that, they can learn American Sign Language. You, however, don't seem to be able to learn at all.:-5
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297213 wrote: I simply have no intrest, no taste for the bland reasoning and wild assumption those who believe in evolution must produce to give their reasoning merit.
Is it random luck that they developed a taste for these leaves and just happened to have the right micro-organisms to digest them? Well this is the kind of idiot assumption that evolution would have your belief take. Just as it would have you assume that our intellect comes from the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
Peace.
These evolutionist corrupt the creation of " Consciousness", a most powerful proof of God. Our minds, our very ability to think and reason, and hold memory and selective actions on those memorys, is being eaten away by the wild imaginations of evolution.
Consciousness, the great evidence of God, cannot be created by matter. Thinking cannot be created by non-thinking, self existant things. The sheer gall of believing these nonsensical things shows the true blindness that is in mans consciousness, we don't even know where we came from. Thus revealing that we cannot be conscious of those things we are not conscious of! The irreducible complexity in this evades even the greatest scientific minds on earth.
The universe operates in an orderly manner, according to laws. The laws of Physics, Gravity and Motion. The laws of Chemistry and Biology. The world follows rules, rules that are fundamentally Mathematical, rules that humans can figure out. Our Consciousness has become " Aware of these things", because a greater Consciousness has created our awareness, but we want to take that credit for ourselves.
Gravity holds the planets in order, in their orbits. Biology fixes our differing species and no new species has come into existence. None of these laws have been broken. How did these laws orginate? Where did they come from? Who set them in motion? Who substains them and how? Evolution would take the credit for all this, and claim it all came from absolute zero! Then try to explian away how absolutely nothing, can produce something.
Law demands a law giver and substainer, and that IS God!
Peace.
Is it random luck that they developed a taste for these leaves and just happened to have the right micro-organisms to digest them? Well this is the kind of idiot assumption that evolution would have your belief take. Just as it would have you assume that our intellect comes from the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes.
Peace.
These evolutionist corrupt the creation of " Consciousness", a most powerful proof of God. Our minds, our very ability to think and reason, and hold memory and selective actions on those memorys, is being eaten away by the wild imaginations of evolution.
Consciousness, the great evidence of God, cannot be created by matter. Thinking cannot be created by non-thinking, self existant things. The sheer gall of believing these nonsensical things shows the true blindness that is in mans consciousness, we don't even know where we came from. Thus revealing that we cannot be conscious of those things we are not conscious of! The irreducible complexity in this evades even the greatest scientific minds on earth.
The universe operates in an orderly manner, according to laws. The laws of Physics, Gravity and Motion. The laws of Chemistry and Biology. The world follows rules, rules that are fundamentally Mathematical, rules that humans can figure out. Our Consciousness has become " Aware of these things", because a greater Consciousness has created our awareness, but we want to take that credit for ourselves.
Gravity holds the planets in order, in their orbits. Biology fixes our differing species and no new species has come into existence. None of these laws have been broken. How did these laws orginate? Where did they come from? Who set them in motion? Who substains them and how? Evolution would take the credit for all this, and claim it all came from absolute zero! Then try to explian away how absolutely nothing, can produce something.
Law demands a law giver and substainer, and that IS God!
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Hmmm, and what chemistry test shows that "God" is mans closes relative?
And if there is such a thing as "God" what is it?
If apes are not mans closest relative, who is?
And if there is such a thing as "God" what is it?
If apes are not mans closest relative, who is?
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Let me show the art of Gods designing ability, that which evolution would foolishly try to take credit for. There is a little known creature called the " Austrailian Termite. Actually its four creatures in one, each depends on the other for continued existence. In evolution, one must assume the evolving existence of a creature, evolves or develops over time. There are so many examples of creatures that destroy this fasle premise, I can't count them, this Termite one of them. It represents the case of " You cannot have one without the other."
" Mixotricha Paradoxa" lives in the gut of the Termite. They are covered with hairy like creatures called " Spirochetes", a totally different type of Micro-organism. On the Mixotricha, there are bumps where the Spirochetes are attached, and " Bacillus" are lodged on the other side of the bump. 3 totally different germs that decided to live together in a community. An interdependance between a large micro-organism, a Spirochete, a Bacillus, an Austrialian Termite, and even the trees the termite feed on.
I suppose if you are an evolutionist, you would believe that they randomly overtime, just happened to have met and formed a committee and decided to work together, the Mixotricita " Developing Bumps" where the Spirochetes could bury their heads behind which the Bacillus could hide. All of whom decided to do this and live in the gut of a Termite.
Obviously this illustrates the case for " Special Creation" of all these creatures " At the same time." They couldnot have decided seperately and ever made it to the point where they could " Rendezvous" and forver spend their existence interdependant and together.
Peace.
" Mixotricha Paradoxa" lives in the gut of the Termite. They are covered with hairy like creatures called " Spirochetes", a totally different type of Micro-organism. On the Mixotricha, there are bumps where the Spirochetes are attached, and " Bacillus" are lodged on the other side of the bump. 3 totally different germs that decided to live together in a community. An interdependance between a large micro-organism, a Spirochete, a Bacillus, an Austrialian Termite, and even the trees the termite feed on.
I suppose if you are an evolutionist, you would believe that they randomly overtime, just happened to have met and formed a committee and decided to work together, the Mixotricita " Developing Bumps" where the Spirochetes could bury their heads behind which the Bacillus could hide. All of whom decided to do this and live in the gut of a Termite.
Obviously this illustrates the case for " Special Creation" of all these creatures " At the same time." They couldnot have decided seperately and ever made it to the point where they could " Rendezvous" and forver spend their existence interdependant and together.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
How wonderful that another name for this termite is Mastotermes darwiniensis. Oh the irony. I laughed at that but then I'm such a shallow creature
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."
Winston Churchill
Winston Churchill
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
It is intelligent design that makes these creatures well suited for their environment, something evolution has always sought to rob from God. Evolutionist are " God Robbers", looking to replace creation's creator, with random selection. This is transparent, I see through it. I once was blind and couldnot see, so the petty evils out there did bother me. Playing on the clothes my mind was adorned in at the time, laugh at me, pressed an clean but I don't care, " Right on for the Darkness." The Darkness, one of the doors of evolution.
The Angler Fish, Archer Fish and the Anableps are 3 fish that literally swim in the face of evolution. The female angler fish has a lure hanging from an appendage extending from the front of her nose. It lures fish so close that she can strike and swallow them. The male does not have one because he never eats. Rather, he attaches himself to the female, allowing the bloodstreams of both to merge, thus feeding him.
The Archer fish can shoot down bugs above the surface of the water, by squirting water at them. Water severly bends or refracts light and should cause an impossible targeting problem for the fish. How do all Archer fish instinctively know how to perfectly compute the severe angle of retraction of light in order to successfully hit their prey as they do? Its designed to do this complication, evolution looks to rob God of this ability, and give it to the nothing of natural selection.
The " Anableps" is a fish with absolutely extraordinary eyes. They allow it to sit on the surface and see out of the water and under the water at the same time. Its eyes are literally divided into two entirely seperate parts. Explain to me how evolution caused half and eye to gradually evolve so that it can see out of the water, and vice versa with the other half? Evolution demands that your mind makes these kinds of leaps, and will try to use science to create the dotted lines that explians this Darkness.
Peace.
The Angler Fish, Archer Fish and the Anableps are 3 fish that literally swim in the face of evolution. The female angler fish has a lure hanging from an appendage extending from the front of her nose. It lures fish so close that she can strike and swallow them. The male does not have one because he never eats. Rather, he attaches himself to the female, allowing the bloodstreams of both to merge, thus feeding him.
The Archer fish can shoot down bugs above the surface of the water, by squirting water at them. Water severly bends or refracts light and should cause an impossible targeting problem for the fish. How do all Archer fish instinctively know how to perfectly compute the severe angle of retraction of light in order to successfully hit their prey as they do? Its designed to do this complication, evolution looks to rob God of this ability, and give it to the nothing of natural selection.
The " Anableps" is a fish with absolutely extraordinary eyes. They allow it to sit on the surface and see out of the water and under the water at the same time. Its eyes are literally divided into two entirely seperate parts. Explain to me how evolution caused half and eye to gradually evolve so that it can see out of the water, and vice versa with the other half? Evolution demands that your mind makes these kinds of leaps, and will try to use science to create the dotted lines that explians this Darkness.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Most of the time I post alone, with an occassional vistor commenting. I am pleased at the amount of recent vistors, its rare. I usually hum by myself. Speaking of humming, Humming Birds weigh 1/4 of an ounce and like helicopters can fly forward, backwards, sideways and can hover in mid air. Their flight mechanism is incredible complexity and absolute proof of a designer. The quills in their feathers are stronger for their weight than any structure designed by man. These quills constantly change shape to adjust for wind and air pressure.
The leading vane of their feather functions much like a propeller, to offer lift and propulsion. Three quarters of their entire weight is in their wing muscles, incredible design! They posses a kind of jet assisted take off mechanism that they can use during landings and take offs. Air flows only one way into their lungs so as to bring a constant supply of oxygen for such strenuous high speed flight. Designer written all over its existence.
They also posses retractive landing gear, a migration navigation system, streamlining and camouflage, and an extraordinary respiration system where they can store extra air inside their hollow bones. In turn, this provides buoyancy and an internal air conditioner.
These birds are practically areodynamic perfection, only a God could have made such an efficent flying machine, no other aeronautical engineer has ever even designed anything that even comes close.
Peace.
The leading vane of their feather functions much like a propeller, to offer lift and propulsion. Three quarters of their entire weight is in their wing muscles, incredible design! They posses a kind of jet assisted take off mechanism that they can use during landings and take offs. Air flows only one way into their lungs so as to bring a constant supply of oxygen for such strenuous high speed flight. Designer written all over its existence.
They also posses retractive landing gear, a migration navigation system, streamlining and camouflage, and an extraordinary respiration system where they can store extra air inside their hollow bones. In turn, this provides buoyancy and an internal air conditioner.
These birds are practically areodynamic perfection, only a God could have made such an efficent flying machine, no other aeronautical engineer has ever even designed anything that even comes close.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297220 wrote:
Law demands a law giver and substainer, and that IS God!
Peace.
I agree. Evolution is a Law of Nature and that certainly implies the God set it up.
Law demands a law giver and substainer, and that IS God!
Peace.
I agree. Evolution is a Law of Nature and that certainly implies the God set it up.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
I know that Consciousness is a dialog within, so I look to change nobodys views. I only express my dialog that is occuring. I regurgitate religion, and evolution, as well as Atheism, there is no dialog they hold for my Consciousness. I desire my mind to be in a healthy condition, viewing truth and deception in a useful capacity. The time is comming that God will appeal directly to the mind of man, through his conscious intellect, not picturesque nebulous thought. Evolution is picturesque nebulous thought, meaning nothing.
The Bible has shifted some gears in my mind concerning the thought process of man.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible has shifted some gears in my mind concerning the thought process of man.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
I understand that your beliefs are your beliefs, Mikiel. That's a good thing too. At least you have a mind and are obviously educated.
On the other hand, and I don't mean to bully you at all, you seem to pick and choose which parts of God's work you "believe" in and which you don't. For example, you believe in gravity, but not evolution, even though gravity is much less understood than evolution. Do you believe in quantum mechanics? Electromagnetism?
Why would you have a problem with evolution then?
Why not instead believe, as I do, that all of those processes are God's Creation?:o
On the other hand, and I don't mean to bully you at all, you seem to pick and choose which parts of God's work you "believe" in and which you don't. For example, you believe in gravity, but not evolution, even though gravity is much less understood than evolution. Do you believe in quantum mechanics? Electromagnetism?
Why would you have a problem with evolution then?
Why not instead believe, as I do, that all of those processes are God's Creation?:o
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Saint_;1297258 wrote: I
Why not instead believe, as I do, that all of those processes are God's Creation?:o
I hold no intrest in believing " As you do." And I hold no intrest in trying to convince you to believe as I do. You think your way, I am complettely satisfied with mine. I am interested in the total rehabilitation of mankind. Not believing as mankind does. That being said, I want to go into the thought process of Man.
Peace.
Why not instead believe, as I do, that all of those processes are God's Creation?:o
I hold no intrest in believing " As you do." And I hold no intrest in trying to convince you to believe as I do. You think your way, I am complettely satisfied with mine. I am interested in the total rehabilitation of mankind. Not believing as mankind does. That being said, I want to go into the thought process of Man.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297261 wrote: I hold no intrest in believing " As you do." And I hold no intrest in trying to convince you to believe as I do. You think your way, I am complettely satisfied with mine. I am interested in the total rehabilitation of mankind. Not believing as mankind does. That being said, I want to go into the thought process of Man.
Peace.
ROFL! Well then, roger that! Over and out!:wah:
Peace.
ROFL! Well then, roger that! Over and out!:wah:
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
You are just amazing, do you really listen to yourself?
You doubt that evolution exist, and you give all the credits to imaginary friend called "God", while evolution is tangible thing, that exist, and its scientifically proven, you choose not to believe in anything, but some "God" came along, and created everything on this planet.
Don't you see how crazy that is?
Why would "God" be responsible for all this crap on this planet, and not evolution?
You don't even know the guy! or girl, or wheter it exist, or not, what is wrong with you?
You doubt that evolution exist, and you give all the credits to imaginary friend called "God", while evolution is tangible thing, that exist, and its scientifically proven, you choose not to believe in anything, but some "God" came along, and created everything on this planet.
Don't you see how crazy that is?
Why would "God" be responsible for all this crap on this planet, and not evolution?
You don't even know the guy! or girl, or wheter it exist, or not, what is wrong with you?
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1297336 wrote: You are just amazing, do you really listen to yourself?
You doubt that evolution exist, and you give all the credits to imaginary friend called "God", while evolution is tangible thing, that exist, and its scientifically proven, you choose not to believe in anything, but some "God" came along, and created everything on this planet.
Don't you see how crazy that is?
Why would "God" be responsible for all this crap on this planet, and not evolution?
You don't even know the guy! or girl, or wheter it exist, or not, what is wrong with you?
Evolution is not a tangible thing, its nonsense and its certainly not proven by any venue of study, muchless science, evolution is your imaginary friend.
As far as whats wrong with me, well there is much wrong with me. Cheif amoung my problems now, is my tendency to have too many Women. Knowing better, I just indulge myself, when I shouldnot. Some years I do better than others, but it seems like to me that there is an endless supply of bueatiful Women. Its wrong for me to endulge myself, yet I do at times. The battle with lust rages on within me. Its beating me up.
I have other things wrong we me, but that I think is the worst.
Peace.
You doubt that evolution exist, and you give all the credits to imaginary friend called "God", while evolution is tangible thing, that exist, and its scientifically proven, you choose not to believe in anything, but some "God" came along, and created everything on this planet.
Don't you see how crazy that is?
Why would "God" be responsible for all this crap on this planet, and not evolution?
You don't even know the guy! or girl, or wheter it exist, or not, what is wrong with you?
Evolution is not a tangible thing, its nonsense and its certainly not proven by any venue of study, muchless science, evolution is your imaginary friend.
As far as whats wrong with me, well there is much wrong with me. Cheif amoung my problems now, is my tendency to have too many Women. Knowing better, I just indulge myself, when I shouldnot. Some years I do better than others, but it seems like to me that there is an endless supply of bueatiful Women. Its wrong for me to endulge myself, yet I do at times. The battle with lust rages on within me. Its beating me up.
I have other things wrong we me, but that I think is the worst.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Well, well, that is very nice, I love women too, finally something we can agree upon...
for some reason I like black, slim, slender, they are most adorable, but that is one example how strong we have those animal instincts for reproduction, if we are created by "God", we would be "divine", floating around, without anything sticking out our pants...
but we do same things as other animals do, eat, drink, fuk, get offspring, and die...
only difference is that we like to add some philosophy to it.
for some reason I like black, slim, slender, they are most adorable, but that is one example how strong we have those animal instincts for reproduction, if we are created by "God", we would be "divine", floating around, without anything sticking out our pants...
but we do same things as other animals do, eat, drink, fuk, get offspring, and die...
only difference is that we like to add some philosophy to it.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1297432 wrote: Well, well, that is very nice, I love women too, finally something we can agree upon...
for some reason I like black, slim, slender, they are most adorable, but that is one example how strong we have those animal instincts for reproduction, if we are created by "God", we would be "divine", floating around, without anything sticking out our pants...
but we do same things as other animals do, eat, drink, fuk, get offspring, and die...
only difference is that we like to add some philosophy to it.
Animals cannot read or write. They have no religion and no art. They have no philosophy, no math, no culture, no politics, no cooking, no agriculture, no media, no vacations, no computers, no transportation, no building construction, no sports, no clothing styles, no sewing, no furniture, no pets, no airplanes, no painting, no educational system,
We do not do the same things that animals do. Thats just what you believe, animals can do none of these things.
Peace.
for some reason I like black, slim, slender, they are most adorable, but that is one example how strong we have those animal instincts for reproduction, if we are created by "God", we would be "divine", floating around, without anything sticking out our pants...
but we do same things as other animals do, eat, drink, fuk, get offspring, and die...
only difference is that we like to add some philosophy to it.
Animals cannot read or write. They have no religion and no art. They have no philosophy, no math, no culture, no politics, no cooking, no agriculture, no media, no vacations, no computers, no transportation, no building construction, no sports, no clothing styles, no sewing, no furniture, no pets, no airplanes, no painting, no educational system,
We do not do the same things that animals do. Thats just what you believe, animals can do none of these things.
Peace.
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So, because we have all that, and we are so much superior than animals, that means we are created by someone called "God"?
Are animals created by "God" too?
Are animals created by "God" too?
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Mickiel;1297506 wrote: Animals have no (list of stuff)
How do you know?
How do you know?
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DusanS;1297686 wrote: Are animals created by "God" too?
Ah, of course!
Ah, of course!
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Oh, they are?
If I am animal, I would feel shortchanged by that "God", maybe a little screwed, common, humans got all that, and I have to sniff butts???
If I am animal, I would feel shortchanged by that "God", maybe a little screwed, common, humans got all that, and I have to sniff butts???
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DusanS;1297702 wrote: If I am animal, I would feel shortchanged by that "God", maybe a little screwed, common, humans got all that, and I have to sniff butts???
You are an animal. You're of the Hominida - a great ape. Were you another animal, that had to "sniff butts" as you so imaginatively put it, you'd be happy enough, as it would be part of your culture (although "Mickeil" says that animals have no culture, amongs other things in his list).
You are an animal. You're of the Hominida - a great ape. Were you another animal, that had to "sniff butts" as you so imaginatively put it, you'd be happy enough, as it would be part of your culture (although "Mickeil" says that animals have no culture, amongs other things in his list).
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel just hate for people to compare themselves to apes, he has extreme high opinion of people to the point that we are created by some "God" or something, and we are so special, and so smarter than any animal, and all that...
He is quiet now, but if you push his button, he will unleash tirade about bible, egypt, and son of abraham...
When I argue with him, I had to go to bathroom three times, and read the bible..
He is quiet now, but if you push his button, he will unleash tirade about bible, egypt, and son of abraham...
When I argue with him, I had to go to bathroom three times, and read the bible..
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1297718 wrote: Mickiel just hate for people to compare themselves to apes, he has extreme high opinion of people to the point that we are created by some "God" or something, and we are so special, and so smarter than any animal, and all that...
He is quiet now, but if you push his button, he will unleash tirade about bible, egypt, and son of abraham...
When I argue with him, I had to go to bathroom three times, and read the bible..
I never talk about the son of Abraham, show me anywhere I have done that! And I never will, unless asked, I hold no intrest in the son of Abraham, and very little in Abraham himself. I am interested in Egypt, and I like the bible. I do have a higher opinon of humans than I do animals, but I am very interested in animals. I do get quiet at times, in order to listen to others and let them have their say.
I do dislike people comparing themselves to speechless apes, I surely do dislike that. We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal! You can give it a trillion years and it would never happen, totally different blood and cellular genectics. The human family is an independant agency altogether.
Peace.
He is quiet now, but if you push his button, he will unleash tirade about bible, egypt, and son of abraham...
When I argue with him, I had to go to bathroom three times, and read the bible..
I never talk about the son of Abraham, show me anywhere I have done that! And I never will, unless asked, I hold no intrest in the son of Abraham, and very little in Abraham himself. I am interested in Egypt, and I like the bible. I do have a higher opinon of humans than I do animals, but I am very interested in animals. I do get quiet at times, in order to listen to others and let them have their say.
I do dislike people comparing themselves to speechless apes, I surely do dislike that. We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal! You can give it a trillion years and it would never happen, totally different blood and cellular genectics. The human family is an independant agency altogether.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
So, if we are so completely different from all other species on this planet, did ever came to your mind that humans maybe got created somehow by alien species from outer space?
They came one day, in saucers, back in history, and did something...
I believe that is much more reasonable explanation, than some "God" stories?
In either way, we never seen either one of them...
As much you would believe in "God", aliens are also credible, just never anyone wrote bible about aliens, but it is possible...
They came one day, in saucers, back in history, and did something...
I believe that is much more reasonable explanation, than some "God" stories?
In either way, we never seen either one of them...
As much you would believe in "God", aliens are also credible, just never anyone wrote bible about aliens, but it is possible...
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1297797 wrote: So, if we are so completely different from all other species on this planet, did ever came to your mind that humans maybe got created somehow by alien species from outer space?
They came one day, in saucers, back in history, and did something...
I believe that is much more reasonable explanation, than some "God" stories?
In either way, we never seen either one of them...
As much you would believe in "God", aliens are also credible, just never anyone wrote bible about aliens, but it is possible...
Well all things are possible, to those who believe in those things. I just don't believe we came from aliens from outer space. I believe we came from an alien God, I believe that. He is alien to us, but we are not alien to him. I believe we came from him. At some distant past, his mind became pregnant with the creation of humankind. There is too much of a Grand River of Creative Life flowing throughout this earth, without there being a direct source for that phenom. Because of the Greatness of all life as we know it, it must then come from a Greater Source than all life that we see. That is where I take arguement with all other theorys of Life, they would give its orgin to things far lesser than Life itself, and I can't get to that in my Reasoning.
Its just that Simple. The source MUST be greater than the outcome, or it is unreasonable in my book! For things to calculate, there must be a math, but that math cannot be lesser than the sum total. It must be greater to produce such numerical deductions that are sound, the source must have far more soundness.
The conjecture I have read from others concerning our orgin, is not great enough to produce this Universe and all its Life forms.
There Must be a God somewhere.
That IS the answer.
Peace.
They came one day, in saucers, back in history, and did something...
I believe that is much more reasonable explanation, than some "God" stories?
In either way, we never seen either one of them...
As much you would believe in "God", aliens are also credible, just never anyone wrote bible about aliens, but it is possible...
Well all things are possible, to those who believe in those things. I just don't believe we came from aliens from outer space. I believe we came from an alien God, I believe that. He is alien to us, but we are not alien to him. I believe we came from him. At some distant past, his mind became pregnant with the creation of humankind. There is too much of a Grand River of Creative Life flowing throughout this earth, without there being a direct source for that phenom. Because of the Greatness of all life as we know it, it must then come from a Greater Source than all life that we see. That is where I take arguement with all other theorys of Life, they would give its orgin to things far lesser than Life itself, and I can't get to that in my Reasoning.
Its just that Simple. The source MUST be greater than the outcome, or it is unreasonable in my book! For things to calculate, there must be a math, but that math cannot be lesser than the sum total. It must be greater to produce such numerical deductions that are sound, the source must have far more soundness.
The conjecture I have read from others concerning our orgin, is not great enough to produce this Universe and all its Life forms.
There Must be a God somewhere.
That IS the answer.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297800 wrote:
Its just that Simple. The source MUST be greater than the outcome, or it is unreasonable in my book! For things to calculate, there must be a math, but that math cannot be lesser than the sum total. It must be greater to produce such numerical deductions that are sound, the source must have far more soundness.
The conjecture I have read from others concerning our orgin, is not great enough to produce this Universe and all its Life forms.
There Must be a God somewhere.
That IS the answer.
Peace.
And that is the only answer that has the soundness, the math, the power to produce Life. Life must have come from something far greater than Life itself! And that is reasonable. Something like " A God!" Evolution is not great enough to " Produce Life", I can see the reasoning behind its theory maintaing Life that is already here, but its the production of Life that intrest me. Not its reproduction. Its the orgin of the mold, not the mold itself! The mold has taken on too many shapes, we must consider who made the mold, and I refuse to accept that the mold made itself, that is useless conjecture. Its a circle wrapped within itself that goes nowhere and leads to nothing.
Life plus Life equals Life. Therefore Life from nothing, equals nothing, thats reliable math. Power must come from Power, it cannot create and generate itself. Power needs orgin and direction, and it must be breeded from intelligence that is greater than the power. A Power by itself without intelligence will destroy itself.
And let me dig into that.
Peace.
Its just that Simple. The source MUST be greater than the outcome, or it is unreasonable in my book! For things to calculate, there must be a math, but that math cannot be lesser than the sum total. It must be greater to produce such numerical deductions that are sound, the source must have far more soundness.
The conjecture I have read from others concerning our orgin, is not great enough to produce this Universe and all its Life forms.
There Must be a God somewhere.
That IS the answer.
Peace.
And that is the only answer that has the soundness, the math, the power to produce Life. Life must have come from something far greater than Life itself! And that is reasonable. Something like " A God!" Evolution is not great enough to " Produce Life", I can see the reasoning behind its theory maintaing Life that is already here, but its the production of Life that intrest me. Not its reproduction. Its the orgin of the mold, not the mold itself! The mold has taken on too many shapes, we must consider who made the mold, and I refuse to accept that the mold made itself, that is useless conjecture. Its a circle wrapped within itself that goes nowhere and leads to nothing.
Life plus Life equals Life. Therefore Life from nothing, equals nothing, thats reliable math. Power must come from Power, it cannot create and generate itself. Power needs orgin and direction, and it must be breeded from intelligence that is greater than the power. A Power by itself without intelligence will destroy itself.
And let me dig into that.
Peace.
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Mickiel;1297781 wrote: I do dislike people comparing themselves to speechless apes, I surely do dislike that.
Why?
Mickiel;1297781 wrote: We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal!
This is all (currently) true, however, I do not see that it has relevance when comparing us to the other great aped - the same could be said of gorillas, chimpanzees at al.
Mickiel;1297781 wrote: You can give it a trillion years and it would never happen, totally different blood and cellular genectics. The human family is an independant agency altogether.
It ("the human family") is different, but linked. Note, a trillion years is a long time, and the definition is inexact - do you mean 1,000,000,000,000 years, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 years? It hardly matters, except purely to be accurate, as both these numbers exceed the time during which there has been life on earth (or even an earth, <5x10E9 years!).
Why?
Mickiel;1297781 wrote: We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal!
This is all (currently) true, however, I do not see that it has relevance when comparing us to the other great aped - the same could be said of gorillas, chimpanzees at al.
Mickiel;1297781 wrote: You can give it a trillion years and it would never happen, totally different blood and cellular genectics. The human family is an independant agency altogether.
It ("the human family") is different, but linked. Note, a trillion years is a long time, and the definition is inexact - do you mean 1,000,000,000,000 years, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 years? It hardly matters, except purely to be accurate, as both these numbers exceed the time during which there has been life on earth (or even an earth, <5x10E9 years!).
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From National Geographic News;Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
August 31, 2005
Scientists have sequenced the genome of the chimpanzee and found that humans are 96 percent similar to the great ape species.
"Darwin wasn't just provocative in saying that we descend from the apes—he didn't go far enough," said Frans de Waal, a primate scientist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. "We are apes in every way, from our long arms and tailless bodies to our habits and temperament." Full Article: Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Stefan Lovgren
for National Geographic News
August 31, 2005
Scientists have sequenced the genome of the chimpanzee and found that humans are 96 percent similar to the great ape species.
"Darwin wasn't just provocative in saying that we descend from the apes—he didn't go far enough," said Frans de Waal, a primate scientist at Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia. "We are apes in every way, from our long arms and tailless bodies to our habits and temperament." Full Article: Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
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Sink back into the ocean
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Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
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Ahso!;1297832 wrote: From National Geographic News;Full Article: Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Consciousness is the key, it is false assumption to relate that evolution evolved into Consciousness by simple natural selection, oh what a great assumption that is. Chimps, Apes, is that Consciousness? No it is not in any manner. Humans have an enormous influence of Ideas, principles, beliefs over our lives and actions, that is NOT derivable from animal behavior, there is a great gulf fixed there! Humans are Alone of Species, ALL Alone! Animals do NOT try to understand themselves and the world, only humans do that. We become rebels or patriots or martys on the basics of Ideas, animals have NEVER done that and never will!
We build chartres and computers, wrire poems and tensor equations, play chess and quartets, sail ships to other planets and listen to other galaxies- what have these to do with rats in mazes or the threat displays of Baboons or the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes? ABSOULTELY nothing!
The continuity hypothesis of Darwin for the evolution of mind is a very suspicious totem of evolutionary mythology. The yearning for certainty which grails the scientist, the aching beauty which harasses the artist, the sweet thorn of justice which fierces the rebel from the eases of life, or the thrill of exultation with which we hear of the true acts that now difficult virtue of courage, of cheerful endurance of hopeless suffering-- are these really derivable from matter or instinctual monkeys? Or even continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes?
The emotional lives of men and of animals are indeed marvelously similar, but to focus upon the simularity unduly is to forget that such a chasm exist at all between us, and its a GREAT gulf fixed! The intellectual life of man, his culture and history, religion and science, is different from anythingelse we know of in the universe! That is Fact!
If one accepts evolution, using its theory, it is as if all life evolved to a certain point, and then up popped humans, and then in ourselves, something turned at a right angle and life simply exploded in a different direction. Wild assumption at best. No , no, there was a definte discontinuity between the Apes and speaking civilized ethical intellectual men. The interiority of Consciousness just couldNOT in any sense be evolved by natural selection out of mere assemblages of molecules and cells. There is more to man than mere chance, matter and survival.
Something MUST be ADDED from outside of this closed system to account for something so different, so great, so marvelous as Consciousness!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
Consciousness is the key, it is false assumption to relate that evolution evolved into Consciousness by simple natural selection, oh what a great assumption that is. Chimps, Apes, is that Consciousness? No it is not in any manner. Humans have an enormous influence of Ideas, principles, beliefs over our lives and actions, that is NOT derivable from animal behavior, there is a great gulf fixed there! Humans are Alone of Species, ALL Alone! Animals do NOT try to understand themselves and the world, only humans do that. We become rebels or patriots or martys on the basics of Ideas, animals have NEVER done that and never will!
We build chartres and computers, wrire poems and tensor equations, play chess and quartets, sail ships to other planets and listen to other galaxies- what have these to do with rats in mazes or the threat displays of Baboons or the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes? ABSOULTELY nothing!
The continuity hypothesis of Darwin for the evolution of mind is a very suspicious totem of evolutionary mythology. The yearning for certainty which grails the scientist, the aching beauty which harasses the artist, the sweet thorn of justice which fierces the rebel from the eases of life, or the thrill of exultation with which we hear of the true acts that now difficult virtue of courage, of cheerful endurance of hopeless suffering-- are these really derivable from matter or instinctual monkeys? Or even continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes?
The emotional lives of men and of animals are indeed marvelously similar, but to focus upon the simularity unduly is to forget that such a chasm exist at all between us, and its a GREAT gulf fixed! The intellectual life of man, his culture and history, religion and science, is different from anythingelse we know of in the universe! That is Fact!
If one accepts evolution, using its theory, it is as if all life evolved to a certain point, and then up popped humans, and then in ourselves, something turned at a right angle and life simply exploded in a different direction. Wild assumption at best. No , no, there was a definte discontinuity between the Apes and speaking civilized ethical intellectual men. The interiority of Consciousness just couldNOT in any sense be evolved by natural selection out of mere assemblages of molecules and cells. There is more to man than mere chance, matter and survival.
Something MUST be ADDED from outside of this closed system to account for something so different, so great, so marvelous as Consciousness!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297973 wrote: Consciousness is the key, it is false assumption to relate that evolution evolved into Consciousness by simple natural selection, oh what a great assumption that is. Chimps, Apes, is that Consciousness? No it is not in any manner. Humans have an enormous influence of Ideas, principles, beliefs over our lives and actions, that is NOT derivable from animal behavior, there is a great gulf fixed there! Humans are Alone of Species, ALL Alone! Animals do NOT try to understand themselves and the world, only humans do that. We become rebels or patriots or martys on the basics of Ideas, animals have NEVER done that and never will!
We build chartres and computers, wrire poems and tensor equations, play chess and quartets, sail ships to other planets and listen to other galaxies- what have these to do with rats in mazes or the threat displays of Baboons or the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes? ABSOULTELY nothing!
The continuity hypothesis of Darwin for the evolution of mind is a very suspicious totem of evolutionary mythology. The yearning for certainty which grails the scientist, the aching beauty which harasses the artist, the sweet thorn of justice which fierces the rebel from the eases of life, or the thrill of exultation with which we hear of the true acts that now difficult virtue of courage, of cheerful endurance of hopeless suffering-- are these really derivable from matter or instinctual monkeys? Or even continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes?
The emotional lives of men and of animals are indeed marvelously similar, but to focus upon the simularity unduly is to forget that such a chasm exist at all between us, and its a GREAT gulf fixed! The intellectual life of man, his culture and history, religion and science, is different from anythingelse we know of in the universe! That is Fact!
If one accepts evolution, using its theory, it is as if all life evolved to a certain point, and then up popped humans, and then in ourselves, something turned at a right angle and life simply exploded in a different direction. Wild assumption at best. No , no, there was a definte discontinuity between the Apes and speaking civilized ethical intellectual men. The interiority of Consciousness just couldNOT in any sense be evolved by natural selection out of mere assemblages of molecules and cells. There is more to man than mere chance, matter and survival.
Something MUST be ADDED from outside of this closed system to account for something so different, so great, so marvelous as Consciousness!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.
you said: We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal! and I said;Ahso!;1297832 wrote: From National Geographic News;Full Article: Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Which is evidence of proving your statement incorrect. So now you come up with this?
We build chartres and computers, wrire poems and tensor equations, play chess and quartets, sail ships to other planets and listen to other galaxies- what have these to do with rats in mazes or the threat displays of Baboons or the idiot hierarchies of speechless apes? ABSOULTELY nothing!
The continuity hypothesis of Darwin for the evolution of mind is a very suspicious totem of evolutionary mythology. The yearning for certainty which grails the scientist, the aching beauty which harasses the artist, the sweet thorn of justice which fierces the rebel from the eases of life, or the thrill of exultation with which we hear of the true acts that now difficult virtue of courage, of cheerful endurance of hopeless suffering-- are these really derivable from matter or instinctual monkeys? Or even continous with the idiot hierarchies of speechless Apes?
The emotional lives of men and of animals are indeed marvelously similar, but to focus upon the simularity unduly is to forget that such a chasm exist at all between us, and its a GREAT gulf fixed! The intellectual life of man, his culture and history, religion and science, is different from anythingelse we know of in the universe! That is Fact!
If one accepts evolution, using its theory, it is as if all life evolved to a certain point, and then up popped humans, and then in ourselves, something turned at a right angle and life simply exploded in a different direction. Wild assumption at best. No , no, there was a definte discontinuity between the Apes and speaking civilized ethical intellectual men. The interiority of Consciousness just couldNOT in any sense be evolved by natural selection out of mere assemblages of molecules and cells. There is more to man than mere chance, matter and survival.
Something MUST be ADDED from outside of this closed system to account for something so different, so great, so marvelous as Consciousness!
And I want to go into that.
Peace.If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.
you said: We didnot come from animals and are not continous from their bloodline. It is impossible for a human to be birthed from an animal! and I said;Ahso!;1297832 wrote: From National Geographic News;Full Article: Chimps, Humans 96 Percent the Same, Gene Study Finds
Which is evidence of proving your statement incorrect. So now you come up with this?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
[QUOTE=Ahso!;129797
If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.quote
I am curious, this thread has 336 replies and 9,573 views. Why so much intrest, if as you suggest, I do not know what I am talking about? Why are people, including you, reading the foolishness? Are you suggesting that you, along with others, are attracted to foolishness?
No, I suspect that your desire to silence me has other intent.
But your words cannot control me, cannot influence me, cannot deter me.
Remember that.
Peace.
If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.quote
I am curious, this thread has 336 replies and 9,573 views. Why so much intrest, if as you suggest, I do not know what I am talking about? Why are people, including you, reading the foolishness? Are you suggesting that you, along with others, are attracted to foolishness?
No, I suspect that your desire to silence me has other intent.
But your words cannot control me, cannot influence me, cannot deter me.
Remember that.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1297996 wrote: [QUOTE=Ahso!;129797]
If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.
I am curious, this thread has 336 replies and 9,573 views. Why so much intrest, if as you suggest, I do not know what I am talking about? Why are people, including you, reading the foolishness? Are you suggesting that you, along with others, are attracted to foolishness?
No, I suspect that your desire to silence me has other intent.
But your words cannot control me, cannot influence me, cannot deter me.
Remember that.
Peace.[/QUOTE]This is a discussion forum, Mickiel. This is what goes on in discussion forums. You didn't know this?
I couldn't care less what you carry on about concerning your bible, but when you venture into the subject of evolutionary science and natural selection, you had better know what you're talking about because I'm going to call you on it. So, I'll stay out of your hair as long as you cease misrepresenting real hard truth and replace it with your exaggerated false version.
This is now the 21st century and we don't take kindly to gibberish in place of science. You can get away with that stuff with religion but not science. You might as well get used to it. Kapish?
If a person doesn't have a clue what they are talking about they should remain silent. At least then they would not appear foolish.
I am curious, this thread has 336 replies and 9,573 views. Why so much intrest, if as you suggest, I do not know what I am talking about? Why are people, including you, reading the foolishness? Are you suggesting that you, along with others, are attracted to foolishness?
No, I suspect that your desire to silence me has other intent.
But your words cannot control me, cannot influence me, cannot deter me.
Remember that.
Peace.[/QUOTE]This is a discussion forum, Mickiel. This is what goes on in discussion forums. You didn't know this?
I couldn't care less what you carry on about concerning your bible, but when you venture into the subject of evolutionary science and natural selection, you had better know what you're talking about because I'm going to call you on it. So, I'll stay out of your hair as long as you cease misrepresenting real hard truth and replace it with your exaggerated false version.
This is now the 21st century and we don't take kindly to gibberish in place of science. You can get away with that stuff with religion but not science. You might as well get used to it. Kapish?
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Ahso!;1298000 wrote:
So, I'll stay out of your hair as long as you cease misrepresenting real hard truth and replace it with your exaggerated false version.
]
I don't care what you do. I hold no intrest in you. And I will continue to post as I have in the past, there is nothing you can do about how I think and post. You have not " Gotten in my hair", the things you have said to me, are meaningless to me. You don't bother me any.
I will post the truth as I see it, evolution is meaningless conjecture. Man creating himself is as misleading as anything out there in the world of senseless science. Natural selection is an atheist answer to fruitless questions.
And I will continue to state as such.
Peace.
So, I'll stay out of your hair as long as you cease misrepresenting real hard truth and replace it with your exaggerated false version.
]
I don't care what you do. I hold no intrest in you. And I will continue to post as I have in the past, there is nothing you can do about how I think and post. You have not " Gotten in my hair", the things you have said to me, are meaningless to me. You don't bother me any.
I will post the truth as I see it, evolution is meaningless conjecture. Man creating himself is as misleading as anything out there in the world of senseless science. Natural selection is an atheist answer to fruitless questions.
And I will continue to state as such.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
"Something MUST be ADDED from outside of this closed system to account for something so different, so great, so marvelous as Consciousness!"
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I will add, if I must, first logical thing that would come to my, or any one's mind, outside intervention as aliens from another planet.
That is more logical than some "God" stories...
I would believe in aliens much more, if it comes to that "outside intervention".
Cave men were not created by any "God", evolution is the key...
And I want to go into that.
Peace.
I will add, if I must, first logical thing that would come to my, or any one's mind, outside intervention as aliens from another planet.
That is more logical than some "God" stories...
I would believe in aliens much more, if it comes to that "outside intervention".
Cave men were not created by any "God", evolution is the key...
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1298026 wrote: I will add, if I must, first logical thing that would come to my, or any one's mind, outside intervention as aliens from another planet.
That is more logical than some "God" stories...
I would believe in aliens much more, if it comes to that "outside intervention".
Cave men were not created by any "God", evolution is the key...
Not being able to formulate a mathematical equation in which you get 1 from 0 you find believing in aliens is more prudent than concluding that all of the Universe has always existed simply by defining "x" as being acceptable criteria for an answer that involves simple observation as being precedent?
I must disagree sire
That is more logical than some "God" stories...
I would believe in aliens much more, if it comes to that "outside intervention".
Cave men were not created by any "God", evolution is the key...
Not being able to formulate a mathematical equation in which you get 1 from 0 you find believing in aliens is more prudent than concluding that all of the Universe has always existed simply by defining "x" as being acceptable criteria for an answer that involves simple observation as being precedent?
I must disagree sire
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The foolishness of Evolution really began in the work of Alfred Russel Wallace, the codiscoverer of the theory of natural selection. Following their twin announcements of the theory in 1858, both Darwin and Wallace severly struggled like Lacoons with the serpentine problem of human evolution and its encoiling difficulty of Consciousness. But where Darwin clouded the problem with his own naivete', seeing only continuity in evolution, Wallace couldnot do so. He knew the discontinuites were terrifying and absolute!
Never spoken of, the co-founder of evolutions theory knew they got it wrong! In his own words, Mr. Wallace: " Mans Conscious faclties, particulary, couldnot possibly have been developed by means of the same laws which have determined the progressive development of the organic world in general, and also of mans physical organism."
Wallace actually felt the evidence showed that some " Metaphysical Force" had directed evolution at three different points: the beginning of life, the beginning of Consciousness, and the beginning of civilized culture. In fact, BECAUSE Wallace spent the rest of his life searching for his answer amoungst Spiritualist, his name is not well known as Darwins.
The co-founder of the theory of evolution saw the error in his theory, Darwin and his ilk, ignored the error , and his ilk ignore it unto this day.
Peace.
Never spoken of, the co-founder of evolutions theory knew they got it wrong! In his own words, Mr. Wallace: " Mans Conscious faclties, particulary, couldnot possibly have been developed by means of the same laws which have determined the progressive development of the organic world in general, and also of mans physical organism."
Wallace actually felt the evidence showed that some " Metaphysical Force" had directed evolution at three different points: the beginning of life, the beginning of Consciousness, and the beginning of civilized culture. In fact, BECAUSE Wallace spent the rest of his life searching for his answer amoungst Spiritualist, his name is not well known as Darwins.
The co-founder of the theory of evolution saw the error in his theory, Darwin and his ilk, ignored the error , and his ilk ignore it unto this day.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, you don't get 1 from zero, you have come to 1 by adding tinniest bits, and pieces, with water as key to all life, over a very long period of ltime, even the micro small pieces become 1 eventually.
since all life came from water... plant, animal, and human.
That is why scientists are looking for traces of water on planet mars, if they find water on mars, they will find life forms...
People, you have to understand, believing in some "God" is much more silly than believing in aliens from another planet, if we are going to dismiss evolution.
But, I would go with evolution, since, if you think intelligently enough, if "God" created something, he did it in pretty weird way, first cave men, then they evolved into humans, why didn't he made humans on the first place...
cave men turned into pharaohs that built pyramids in ancient egypt, and they didn't believe in "God" or Jesus either, they believed in "Sun" animals, etc...
Jesus came some 20, 000 years later, after some "Adam, and Eve" thing, and he would "save" and "sacrifice" himself to save humanity???
Save from what?
If you dismiss evolution, next and only reasonable explanation will be aliens from another planet, since scientists found in some caves drawings of saucers in sky, made by cave men.
since all life came from water... plant, animal, and human.
That is why scientists are looking for traces of water on planet mars, if they find water on mars, they will find life forms...
People, you have to understand, believing in some "God" is much more silly than believing in aliens from another planet, if we are going to dismiss evolution.
But, I would go with evolution, since, if you think intelligently enough, if "God" created something, he did it in pretty weird way, first cave men, then they evolved into humans, why didn't he made humans on the first place...
cave men turned into pharaohs that built pyramids in ancient egypt, and they didn't believe in "God" or Jesus either, they believed in "Sun" animals, etc...
Jesus came some 20, 000 years later, after some "Adam, and Eve" thing, and he would "save" and "sacrifice" himself to save humanity???
Save from what?
If you dismiss evolution, next and only reasonable explanation will be aliens from another planet, since scientists found in some caves drawings of saucers in sky, made by cave men.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
[QUOTE=DusanS;1298088]
The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, QUOTE]
This is the root of the foolishness of evolution. " Accidental explosion", or life by chance developing from absolutely nothing! All life began by " Accident", not by design, not by creation, but by Accident. Unforseen and undesigned; casuality, mishap; unexpected existance; Non intentional, fortuitously, without apparent control; Luck, contingency; gamble, risk, an illusional kismet. Evolutionist expect you to believe that the greatness of life, began because of all these rediculus componants far lesser than life!
Not only did the forces contained within this freak explosion suddenly, out of nothing, created themselves, then imploded with a great explosion originating from absolute zero, but that this great life starting event, was an accident. It was luck. This protends that this great life of ours, comes from Luck! It just happened to have happened. Which is absurd.
But I want to go into this anyway.
Peace.
The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, QUOTE]
This is the root of the foolishness of evolution. " Accidental explosion", or life by chance developing from absolutely nothing! All life began by " Accident", not by design, not by creation, but by Accident. Unforseen and undesigned; casuality, mishap; unexpected existance; Non intentional, fortuitously, without apparent control; Luck, contingency; gamble, risk, an illusional kismet. Evolutionist expect you to believe that the greatness of life, began because of all these rediculus componants far lesser than life!
Not only did the forces contained within this freak explosion suddenly, out of nothing, created themselves, then imploded with a great explosion originating from absolute zero, but that this great life starting event, was an accident. It was luck. This protends that this great life of ours, comes from Luck! It just happened to have happened. Which is absurd.
But I want to go into this anyway.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
DusanS;1298088 wrote: The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, you don't get 1 from zero, you have come to 1 by adding tinniest bits, and pieces, with water as key to all life, over a very long period of ltime, even the micro small pieces become 1 eventually.No, Dusan, that's where you're immensely wrong. Any existence above 0 is 1 not the mathematical scale you've chosen to use simply because you'd like to make your argument look bigger:yh_eyerol. The smallest known existence, which is as of yet to be decided primarily but for the sake of logical understanding let's say a quark = 1. I think that makes as much sense given the possibility of communication.
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
since all life came from water... plant, animal, and human.
That is why scientists are looking for traces of water on planet mars, if they find water on mars, they will find life forms...Indeed. Well, at yeast enough water to sustain a cycle in contributing to an atmosphere essential in "life". I'll give you credit for coming up with one of countless other phenomena essential for life. :yh_wink
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
People, you have to understand, believing in some "God" is much more silly than believing in aliens from another planet, if we are going to dismiss evolution.
But, I would go with evolution, since, if you think intelligently enough, if "God" created something, he did it in pretty weird way, first cave men, then they evolved into humans, why didn't he made humans on the first place...Because you're acting off of the premise that there cannot be "evolution" with the concept of "God" and is totally inaccurate. How can this even be "philosophically" close?
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
cave men turned into pharaohs that built pyramids in ancient egypt, and they didn't believe in "God" or Jesus either, they believed in "Sun" animals, etc...
Jesus came some 20, 000 years later, after some "Adam, and Eve" thing, and he would "save" and "sacrifice" himself to save humanity???
Save from what? The "Sun" in this context serves as the same definition of "God" you're just being xenophobic in relation to what I can only guess is a personal vendetta against "The Christian God". I don't understand a lick of your apparently innate grudge.
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
If you dismiss evolution, next and only reasonable explanation will be aliens from another planet, since scientists found in some caves drawings of saucers in sky, made by cave men. My 5 year old nephew drew a monster that if I hadn't known any better would make me soil myself enough to the point I would intrinsically give whizzing myself a try so as to save face, I only wish I had a bag of popcorn while attempting it because that would look insanely cool! :yh_sungla *CRUNCH! CRUNCH!*
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
since all life came from water... plant, animal, and human.
That is why scientists are looking for traces of water on planet mars, if they find water on mars, they will find life forms...Indeed. Well, at yeast enough water to sustain a cycle in contributing to an atmosphere essential in "life". I'll give you credit for coming up with one of countless other phenomena essential for life. :yh_wink
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
People, you have to understand, believing in some "God" is much more silly than believing in aliens from another planet, if we are going to dismiss evolution.
But, I would go with evolution, since, if you think intelligently enough, if "God" created something, he did it in pretty weird way, first cave men, then they evolved into humans, why didn't he made humans on the first place...Because you're acting off of the premise that there cannot be "evolution" with the concept of "God" and is totally inaccurate. How can this even be "philosophically" close?
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
cave men turned into pharaohs that built pyramids in ancient egypt, and they didn't believe in "God" or Jesus either, they believed in "Sun" animals, etc...
Jesus came some 20, 000 years later, after some "Adam, and Eve" thing, and he would "save" and "sacrifice" himself to save humanity???
Save from what? The "Sun" in this context serves as the same definition of "God" you're just being xenophobic in relation to what I can only guess is a personal vendetta against "The Christian God". I don't understand a lick of your apparently innate grudge.
DusanS;1298088 wrote:
If you dismiss evolution, next and only reasonable explanation will be aliens from another planet, since scientists found in some caves drawings of saucers in sky, made by cave men. My 5 year old nephew drew a monster that if I hadn't known any better would make me soil myself enough to the point I would intrinsically give whizzing myself a try so as to save face, I only wish I had a bag of popcorn while attempting it because that would look insanely cool! :yh_sungla *CRUNCH! CRUNCH!*
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Mickiel;1298131 wrote: [QUOTE=DusanS;1298088]
The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, QUOTE]
This is the root of the foolishness of evolution. " Accidental explosion", or life by chance developing from absolutely nothing! All life began by " Accident", not by design, not by creation, but by Accident. Unforseen and undesigned; casuality, mishap; unexpected existance; Non intentional, fortuitously, without apparent control; Luck, contingency; gamble, risk, an illusional kismet. Evolutionist expect you to believe that the greatness of life, began because of all these rediculus componants far lesser than life!
Not only did the forces contained within this freak explosion suddenly, out of nothing, created themselves, then imploded with a great explosion originating from absolute zero, but that this great life starting event, was an accident. It was luck. This protends that this great life of ours, comes from Luck! It just happened to have happened. Which is absurd.
But I want to go into this anyway.
Peace.Has nothing to do with evolution. :wah:
The real truth is "accidental explosion" as initial beginning, and "evolution process" over millions of years, QUOTE]
This is the root of the foolishness of evolution. " Accidental explosion", or life by chance developing from absolutely nothing! All life began by " Accident", not by design, not by creation, but by Accident. Unforseen and undesigned; casuality, mishap; unexpected existance; Non intentional, fortuitously, without apparent control; Luck, contingency; gamble, risk, an illusional kismet. Evolutionist expect you to believe that the greatness of life, began because of all these rediculus componants far lesser than life!
Not only did the forces contained within this freak explosion suddenly, out of nothing, created themselves, then imploded with a great explosion originating from absolute zero, but that this great life starting event, was an accident. It was luck. This protends that this great life of ours, comes from Luck! It just happened to have happened. Which is absurd.
But I want to go into this anyway.
Peace.Has nothing to do with evolution. :wah:
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities,
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
Voltaire
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
Fiona Apple
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Wallace, the co-founder of the theory of natural selection, a foundation of evolution, turned away from his own theory, because he proved himself wrong. Wallace knew that to explain Consciousness by Metaphysical imposition seemed to be stepping outside the rules of natural science. And that indeed is the problem with evolution, how to explain Consciousness in terms of Natural Selection.
One must foolishly " Downgrade Consciousness" in order to give it a consistant view with straight evolution. That downgrade would go like this: Animals are evolved; nervous systems and their mechanical reflexes increase in complexity; when some unspecified degree of nervous complexity is reached, Consciousness appears, and so begins its futile course as a helpless spectator of cosmic events. And from this utter foolishness came the doctrine of " Emergent Evolution."
This new version of evolution came from Lloyd Morgan in 1923. The idea that complex chemical compounds emerged from the conjunction of simpler chemical componants. Then properties distinctive of living things emerged from the conjunctions of these complex chemical componants. And Consciousness emerged from those things. ABSOULTELY ABSURD!
These men start a rumor that Consciousness emerged from the combination of assorted chemicals! And people believe that junk. A junk which within itself is a type of scientific faith.
And I want to go into why.
Peace.
One must foolishly " Downgrade Consciousness" in order to give it a consistant view with straight evolution. That downgrade would go like this: Animals are evolved; nervous systems and their mechanical reflexes increase in complexity; when some unspecified degree of nervous complexity is reached, Consciousness appears, and so begins its futile course as a helpless spectator of cosmic events. And from this utter foolishness came the doctrine of " Emergent Evolution."
This new version of evolution came from Lloyd Morgan in 1923. The idea that complex chemical compounds emerged from the conjunction of simpler chemical componants. Then properties distinctive of living things emerged from the conjunctions of these complex chemical componants. And Consciousness emerged from those things. ABSOULTELY ABSURD!
These men start a rumor that Consciousness emerged from the combination of assorted chemicals! And people believe that junk. A junk which within itself is a type of scientific faith.
And I want to go into why.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
Belief in evolution is just as much " A Faith" as belief in God. Now, lets consider " Natural Selection as it relates to its biggest problem-- that of Consciousness." I maintain that Consciousness was given to humans by God, Natural Selection maintains that Consciousness is Biological and chemical.
In my view, Consciousness is chiefly a God given introduction. In emergent evolution, Consciousness is a " Cultural introduction, learned on the basis of language and taught to others who have " Developed Consciousness through biology and time. And thus the " Change to Consciousness" was assisted by a certain amount of Natural selection. Some of that is attractive reasoning, more is not. But attractive enough to soak many into it,as is religion.
In evolution, Consciousness must be learned by each new generation. In Spirituality, Consciousness is " Passed down through the Human Spirit in man." We are born with it already there. Now it is my belief that primordal man had no Consciousness at all! And since Adam, all humans were given Consciousness by God. In evolution, a huge alteration in human mentality occured " Over Time."
So I want to spend a little time on the difference in these two.
Peace.
In my view, Consciousness is chiefly a God given introduction. In emergent evolution, Consciousness is a " Cultural introduction, learned on the basis of language and taught to others who have " Developed Consciousness through biology and time. And thus the " Change to Consciousness" was assisted by a certain amount of Natural selection. Some of that is attractive reasoning, more is not. But attractive enough to soak many into it,as is religion.
In evolution, Consciousness must be learned by each new generation. In Spirituality, Consciousness is " Passed down through the Human Spirit in man." We are born with it already there. Now it is my belief that primordal man had no Consciousness at all! And since Adam, all humans were given Consciousness by God. In evolution, a huge alteration in human mentality occured " Over Time."
So I want to spend a little time on the difference in these two.
Peace.
The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.
There are much better things "God" could "give" people besides consciousness, and you are missing very important point...why.
Why would something called "God" give anything to just one species on this planet.
To be more miserable, to know how to use computer?, how to kill other animals...
You just refuse in your own mind to look at a big picture, BIG picture...
Think, but really, really think about it, but you can not think freely if you think from this perspective, imagine you sit on a space ship and you go into space, up, in the universe...
Now, turn around and take a look at this planet.
What do you see?
"God" marvelous creation? of course not, the strongest believe in God comes from living, and thinking on this planet, once you move, at least in your mind away from this planet, your mind gets more clear...
All this wars, killings, palestinains, Israelis, inter religious wars, nothing makes sense, once you look from high above, from space, all that you see is one tiny, micro small planet, like a speck of dust...tiny little piece of rock we call earth...
And what is the point?
"God" created us for what reason?
What kind of impact we would make in the universe?
For the first time in your life THINK deep about this.
We can do philosophy as much as we want, but one thing remain...
We are here for no reason at all,
We live life, and we die,
Besides buying a new car, new house, life means nothing,
all our achivements die with us,
Unless we go into history by doing something,
no matter how "perfectly" created, we go nowhere from this planet,
The point is that there is no point.
End is the only sure thing...
We witness many ends throughout history, but we witness very few beginings,
and we will never be sure about our own beginings...
but we certanly will see the end.
Why would something called "God" give anything to just one species on this planet.
To be more miserable, to know how to use computer?, how to kill other animals...
You just refuse in your own mind to look at a big picture, BIG picture...
Think, but really, really think about it, but you can not think freely if you think from this perspective, imagine you sit on a space ship and you go into space, up, in the universe...
Now, turn around and take a look at this planet.
What do you see?
"God" marvelous creation? of course not, the strongest believe in God comes from living, and thinking on this planet, once you move, at least in your mind away from this planet, your mind gets more clear...
All this wars, killings, palestinains, Israelis, inter religious wars, nothing makes sense, once you look from high above, from space, all that you see is one tiny, micro small planet, like a speck of dust...tiny little piece of rock we call earth...
And what is the point?
"God" created us for what reason?
What kind of impact we would make in the universe?
For the first time in your life THINK deep about this.
We can do philosophy as much as we want, but one thing remain...
We are here for no reason at all,
We live life, and we die,
Besides buying a new car, new house, life means nothing,
all our achivements die with us,
Unless we go into history by doing something,
no matter how "perfectly" created, we go nowhere from this planet,
The point is that there is no point.
End is the only sure thing...
We witness many ends throughout history, but we witness very few beginings,
and we will never be sure about our own beginings...
but we certanly will see the end.