immigrant family jump to their deaths the AA grumpy column

[pantoandy]

hello and good evening and welcome back to grumpy towers

its not very often you read some good news but heres one from the suns sister paper in scotland.

THE Red Road towers have become a place of such desperation that they're dubbed 'suicide central' by grim locals.

And one family of three refugees felt so helpless they chose to jump 150 feet to their deaths on Sunday.

because their asylum application was rejected and were due to be repatriated to russia (AAG)

The eight-block complex in Glasgow has been home to thousands of asylum seekers, despite being earmarked for demolition.

Many of them have fled horrors few of us could comprehend.

But for some, survival is still a daily battle.

Nats MSP Anne McLaughlin said: "They way we ask them to live is horrifying."

The Scottish Sun investigates ‘suicide central’ after three refugees jump | The Sun |Home Scotland|Scottish News

3 down 1 million to go Quote:

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(YES IT IS RACIST AND FOR THAT YOU WON'T BE POSTING HERE ANY LONGER you have ignored the TOS on many occasions to include th "Free Speech" issue. You have repeatedly ignored MOD'S request)

this beggars belief that there are thousands of illegal immgrants in this tower block

because by definition they are not refugees or asylum seekers but illegal entrants who broke the law by entering the uk illegally and now we are stuck with them for the time being.

and while they are here i suppose they are living rent free and on benefits in this tower block.

cant these politicians get it in to their thick skulls that WE DO NOT WANT THEM AND THEY ARE NOT WELCOME in the uk.

we where supposed to get a referendum on immigration before labour threw open the doors of the country to every one who wanted to come here did we get one did we nellies the politicians just threw open the doors despite a public outcry

and against advice not to do so.

buses where leaving poland/romania / croatia full and returning empty as the rush for england began.

technicly they are not refugees as refugees should settle in the first safe country they come to .

yet they by passed belgium germany france and spain and holland to come to england so they are illegal immigrants.

well at least the BNP will know where to go when its time to chuck the lot of them out and slam the door shut behind them.

AAG

[Bruv]

buses where leaving poland/romania / croatia full and returning empty as the rush for england began.

technicly they are not refugees as refugees should settle in the first safe country they come to .


Apart from Croatia the other countries are all members of the EU, and as such they are free to come here to work, as you are free to go anywhere within the EU to find work...........



Who wants to have a whip around to get Andy a one way ticket ?

[pantoandy]

you may find my post a bit hardline but thats what we have to be HARDLINE.

the country is full these illegals are taking british jobs british homes school places benefits and hospital beds and getting preferental treatment before the indiginous british who have paid into the system all their lives.

these illegals where let in uninvited by the labour government after they u turned on a immigration referendum because they knew the answer would be a resounding no and theres more pouring in every day with more at callais waiting for their chance .

we have romanian children begging on the london tube eastern european criminals

making money fetching more in & shuttling drugs from abroad .

for christs sake man WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND VOTE BNP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

[gmc]

There is a difference between an asylum seeker and an illegal economic immigrant.

You forget how many British people work abroad, don't pay UK tax yet take advantage of the NHS and other state provision when they come back to this country. Why do we pay heating allowance to pensioners in spain? When they are ill they all come back here to sponge off the state. How would you deal with them? Should we not stop the payment of state pensions to those rich enough to live abroad or have emigrated?

Before you worry about immigrants what about all those who don't pay UK tax but sit in the house of lords and have the right to influence legislation. Maybe we should do what the Americans do and tax everybody no matter where hey are in the world and if they don't pay get them if they return home for any reason.

The sun ids one of murdochs rags-are you also ion favour of ending the BBC and letting people like him control our media?



or christs sake man WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE AND VOTE BNP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.


That's hardly an indigenous drink, shouldn't you be patriotic and drink elderflower tea or something properly british.

[mikeinie]

I respect the opinions of people on this web, even if I do not fully agree. However, it is not your stand on immigration in general that bothers me, but your attitude. It is how you can describe the death of this family as ‘good news’.

No matter who they are, where they are from or what they are doing, you are OK with a family taking their lives?

Is it their fault that your government invited them?

No. They just responded to the invitation.

It is the likes of you that resulted in the rise of fascism, Hitler and eventually WW2. Is that what you want? Is that what BNP is all about? Hate?

[pantoandy]

before you call the bnp nazi look to your precious labour party.



1, they invited every tom dick and abdul in to the country against the wishes of the people and without a referendum which they u turned on when they came to power.

2, they took us in to a war with iraq and afghanistan again which was not wanted or had anything to do with us and against public opinion.

3, brown /blair signed away our rights to govern our own country to the EU which is an act of treason again we where promised a referendum which labour u turned on.

the blair /brown pm ship has been one of dictatorship to drag us in to their dream of a eurosuperstate which we do not want.

their dictatorship is remenisant of stallins russia hitlers germany iraq,s saddam hussain chinas mao se tung or africa,s robert mugabe need i say more .

before you dare to label the BNP as nazi look to the dicators that you voted for .

if you are happy to live under a dictatorship carry on my friend .

but the BNP are not nazi,s they are loyalists loyal to the crown and country and all we want is england back the way it was without the benefits culture british people in british jobs for the british economy the lies about the bnp was put there by the mainstream parties because they are frightened of the power the bnp now hold .

if you cannot see this my freinds you are either traitors to your country or live in a world of rose tinted spectacles the euro damaged the irish economy it will not damage ours.

i see the bnp as a peacefull politcal IRA fighting for what is rightfully ours BUT WITH POLITICS NOT GUNS AND BOMBS.. the swashstika should be flying over the liebour party hq long live the bnp.

p.s put these fools right oscar......:-5

[mikeinie]

I am not questioning your political beliefs; I am questioning your moral ones.

You, yes you, wrote that you thought that this family killing themselves was good news. Is that a political belief or a moral one?

Does BNP rejoice in the death of immigrants or is it only you?

[G#Gill]

mikeinie;1295687 wrote: I am not questioning your political beliefs; I am questioning your moral ones.

You, yes you, wrote that you thought that this family killing themselves was good news. Is that a political belief or a moral one?

Does BNP rejoice in the death if immigrants or is it only you?


Mikeinie, I think you will find that comments made by Pantoandy, with regard to this tragic family, are purely his own. I think you will find that the BNP would totally divorce themselves from any such comments, as, of course, would any political party.

[pantoandy]

mikeinie;1295687 wrote: I am not questioning your political beliefs; I am questioning your moral ones.

You, yes you, wrote that you thought that this family killing themselves was good news. Is that a political belief or a moral one?

Does BNP rejoice in the death if immigrants or is it only you?


although tragic we must take the hardline

they jumped because their asylum application was turned down and they where due to be repatriated to russia.

we cannot bow down to every illegal immigrant who threatens to throw himself off a bridge because he cannot stay.

otherwise all the illegals would cotton on to the same threat and we would just get more and more illegal immgrants we do not want.

[pantoandy]

G#Gill;1295690 wrote: Mikeinie, I think you will find that comments made by Pantoandy, with regard to this tragic family, are purely his own. I think you will find that the BNP would totally divorce themselves from any such comments, as, of course, would any political party.


not that they would admit anyway i will openly admit i hate the illegal immigrants pouring in to the uk

forget my opinion and comment on the story

[G#Gill]

pantoandy;1295691 wrote: although tragic we must take the hardline

they jumped because their asylum application was turned down and they where due to be repatriated to russia.

we cannot bow down to every illegal immigrant who threatens to throw himself off a bridge because he cannot stay.

otherwise all the illegals would cotton on to the same threat and we would just get more and more illegal immgrants we do not want.


Pantoandy, the comments you made concerning this tragic family do nothing but illustrate your personal attitude. The manner in which you have demonstrated your attitude only succeeds in reflecting badly on the party you profess to support.

[Bruv]

What depth of despair would get Mr pantoandy to rope himself to his family and leap from a tower block ?

[pantoandy]

G#Gill;1295693 wrote: Pantoandy, the comments you made concerning this tragic family do nothing but illustrate your personal attitude. The manner in which you have demonstrated your attitude only succeeds in reflecting badly on the party you profess to support.


something must be done to turn back the tide of illegals and undo blair/ browns eu

act of treason we cannot all sit on the fence and watch our beloved green and peacefull england go down the road to a euro superstate

[G#Gill]

pantoandy;1295692 wrote: not that they would admit anyway i will openly admit i hate the illegal immigrants pouring in to the uk

forget my opinion and comment on the story


I think your feelings concerning the mass immigration into the UK are fairly universal throughout this small island. But the manner in which you expressed your loathing for this activity, in celebrating the death of a family in the way they died - a family in which you have no knowledge of their circumstances - just demonstrates your personal hateful attitude.

There is no point in instructing readers to "forget my opinion and comment on the story", as you have put your thoughts down in writing, people have read those words and are disgusted and horrified by your attitude. You have done no favours to the party you support by saying such ill considered words of hate.

"Not that they would admit anyway" is also a slur against the party you profess to support, suggesting that they may make (or think) similar comments to yours !

[pantoandy]

G#Gill;1295697 wrote: I think your feelings concerning the mass immigration into the UK are fairly universal throughout this small island. But the manner in which you expressed your loathing for this activity, in celebrating the death of a family in the way they died - a family in which you have no knowledge of their circumstances - just demonstrates your personal hateful attitude.

There is no point in instructing readers to "forget my opinion and comment on the story", as you have put your thoughts down in writing, people have read those words and are disgusted and horrified by your attitude. You have done no favours to the party you support by saying such ill considered words of hate.

"Not that they would admit anyway" is also a slur against the party you profess to support, suggesting that they may make (or think) similar comments to yours !


ok lets put this another way forgetting how i feel personally

imagine england in another 10 years.

labour brought back in to power, mass immigration, compulsory i.d cards, the euro, unemployment up from its real 4 million to around 6 to 7 million maybe more making us the highest country for unemployment in the world more taxes and stealth taxes ,more pubs closed ,fags £8 a packet petrol £3 to £4 a litre

more quangos to look after our illegal guests leaving the indiginous british worse off the dreaming spires of oxford & cambridge overshadowed by mosques bellowing out their prayer call and we cannot do anything about it because the boys in blue will arrest us for even thinking race hate.

crime out of control jails more overcrowded than they are now.

pensioners dying of cold while our do gooders look after the scum thieves druggies and illegals.

the uk governened from strasbourg scum like venables given anoninminty to walk amongst civilsed society.

isnt this more abhorrant that the ranting of a column writer ?

if this is what you want vote labour at the next election and kill britannia for good.

[gmc]

So under your brave new world of BNP britain what do you think it would be like?

[Bill Sikes]

Were you to jump off a tower block, I might have great pleasure in announcing "1 down, about 12,000 to go" - 12,000 being the approximate number of BNP members. However, I, unlike you, am probably too nice.

[pantoandy]

gmc;1295705 wrote: So under your brave new world of BNP britain what do you think it would be like?


like the 60,s and 70,s how it was when we were kids

is that so scary ??

[pantoandy]

Bill Sikes;1295706 wrote: Were you to jump off a tower block, I might have great pleasure in announcing "1 down, about 12,000 to go" - 12,000 being the approximate number of BNP members. However, I, unlike you, am probably too nice.


the problem is sikesy is that the do gooders have been allowed to run this country

and the people brainwashed about the big bad bnp because they are on the run

the bnp will gain more power this election as the majority say enough

this is what the mainstreams are frightened of

[spot]

pantoandy;1295684 wrote: before you call the bnp nazi look to your precious labour party.

1, they invited every tom dick and abdul in to the country against the wishes of the people and without a referendum which they u turned on when they came to power [...] we cannot all sit on the fence and watch our beloved green and peacefull england go down the road to a euro superstate
If you check The Bruges Group you'll find a reasonable history of the lead-up to the 1975 referendum. It makes it quite clear that the issue put before the public, "Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community?", covered sovereignty and not merely a common market. Patrick Cosgrave summarised what he regarded as the threatened consequence at the time as "the agrarian nature of the Community would lead to an exponential increase in prices and a single European state would culminate in the gradual extinction of British law".

The Labour Party Manifesto in the 1974 election promised that if elected they would "give the British people the final say, which will be binding on the Government - through the ballot box - on whether we accept the terms and stay in or reject the terms and come out" and that's exactly what they did. The Yes vote came to 67% in favour of staying inside the European Community. How can you possibly say that it all happened "without a referendum"?



pantoandy;1295691 wrote: we would just get more and more illegal immgrants we do not want.Nobody wants illegal immigrants within the UK. I don't want illegal immigrants within the UK. What I do want is a lot more legal immigration into the UK, it's good for the country as well as good for the immigrants. You don't speak for every citizen, Andy. Perhaps that's not obvious to you. I'm here to tell you otherwise.

[G#Gill]

pantoandy;1295703 wrote: ok lets put this another way forgetting how i feel personally

imagine england in another 10 years.

labour brought back in to power, mass immigration, compulsory i.d cards, the euro, unemployment up from its real 4 million to around 6 to 7 million maybe more making us the highest country for unemployment in the world more taxes and stealth taxes ,more pubs closed ,fags £8 a packet petrol £3 to £4 a litre

more quangos to look after our illegal guests leaving the indiginous british worse off the dreaming spires of oxford & cambridge overshadowed by mosques bellowing out their prayer call and we cannot do anything about it because the boys in blue will arrest us for even thinking race hate.

crime out of control jails more overcrowded than they are now.

pensioners dying of cold while our do gooders look after the scum thieves druggies and illegals.

the uk governened from strasbourg scum like venables given anoninminty to walk amongst civilsed society.

isnt this more abhorrant that the ranting of a column writer ?

if this is what you want vote labour at the next election and kill britannia for good.


You don't have to convince me PA. I already shudder at the damn thought. But there are ways of doing things and saying things on an open forum, that will not alienate the author from the reader.

[pantoandy]

spot;1295715 wrote: If you check The Bruges Group you'll find a reasonable history of the lead-up to the 1975 referendum. It makes it quite clear that the issue put before the public, "Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community?", covered sovereignty and not merely a common market. Patrick Cosgrave summarised what he regarded as the threatened consequence at the time as "the agrarian nature of the Community would lead to an exponential increase in prices and a single European state would culminate in the gradual extinction of British law".

The Labour Party Manifesto in the 1974 election promised that if elected they would "give the British people the final say, which will be binding on the Government - through the ballot box - on whether we accept the terms and stay in or reject the terms and come out" and that's exactly what they did. The Yes vote came to 67% in favour of staying inside the European Community. How can you possibly say that it all happened "without a referendum"?



Nobody wants illegal immigrants within the UK. I don't want illegal immigrants within the UK. What I do want is a lot more legal immigration into the UK, it's good for the country as well as good for the immigrants. You don't speak for every citizen, Andy. Perhaps that's not obvious to you. I'm here to tell you otherwise.


this was 30 years ago spot things have changed and got worse

[Bill Sikes]

spot;1295715 wrote: (European Union) How can you possibly say that it all happened "without a referendum"?


Because that's exactly what very many people who voted at the time say. They were greatly mislead by the powers-that-were. Misinformation is still being spread today (incl. the above. QED).

[spot]

pantoandy;1295718 wrote: this was 30 years ago spot things have changed and got worse


On the contrary, things have changed a great deal for the better and will continue to do so. We don't get "No Blacks, No Irish" on rented accommodation any longer for one thing.

[spot]

Bill Sikes;1295720 wrote: Because that's exactly what very many people who voted at the time say. They were greatly mislead by the powers-that-were. Misinformation is still being spread today (incl. the above. QED).


I( refer you to the discussion at The Bruges Group from which I quoted. The issue at stake was transparent and the informed vote was overwhelming. I speak as someone who voted in the referendum and heard the arguments.

[pantoandy]

spot;1295721 wrote: On the contrary, things have changed a great deal for the better and will continue to do so. We don't get "No Blacks, No Irish" on rented accommodation any longer for one thing.


now now spot you can get an infaction for racism and anti irishism the race gestapo

will be banging on your door after mine of course....... :yh_rotfl

am i racist against the scots or welsh ????

[gmc]

pantoandy;1295718 wrote: this was 30 years ago spot things have changed and got worse


I'll ask you again what do you think england will look like under the BNP.

[pantoandy]

gmc;1295724 wrote: I'll ask you again what do you think england will look like under the BNP.


its listed on # 18 permalink page 2

[gmc]

pantoandy;1295726 wrote: its listed on # 18 permalink page 2


Well that's a big help what's # 18 permalink?

If you can't be bothered answering I understand.

[G#Gill]

gmc;1295770 wrote: Well that's a big help what's # 18 permalink?

If you can't be bothered answering I understand.




Just for your benefit, gmc, as Pantoandy seems unable to be more helpful.



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pantoandy

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Re: immigrant family jump to their deaths the AA grumpy column

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmc View Post

So under your brave new world of BNP britain what do you think it would be like?

like the 60,s and 70,s how it was when we were kids

is that so scary ??

[mikeinie]

G#Gill;1295799 wrote: Just for your benefit, gmc, as Pantoandy seems unable to be more helpful.



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pantoandy

Senior Member





Re: immigrant family jump to their deaths the AA grumpy column

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmc View Post

So under your brave new world of BNP britain what do you think it would be like?

like the 60,s and 70,s how it was when we were kids

is that so scary ??


Yikes, so under BNP people are going to start dressing like this again:







Yes, that is scary! :yh_ooooo

[G#Gill]

mikeinie;1295804 wrote: Yikes, so under BNP people are going to start dressing like this again:







Yes, that is scary! :yh_ooooo


:yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl eejit !!!

[spot]

My bit of the sixties was, I suspect, rather different to anything the BNP might reconstitute.

[Oscar Namechange]

As a BNP member and activist I can say that I am appalled by this families deaths.

Many of you are missing the point here. Did any of you see the appalling conditions that this family were living Inon TV? Sorry GMC but I've seen better Ghetto's In the Bronx. If a family kill themselves to avoid deportation from THAT... then what they would return to must be hell on earth.

The reason these Immigrants are herded Into such appalling over-crowded Tower blocks Is due to Un-affordable housing and over-stretched Council housing due to Immigration. Spot... I don't care how many reports and links you come back with... I have sat on the Council Housing Commitee for some years and I know from the grass roots that Immigration has led to a lack of council Properties and I also know that Councils are leant upon to consider Immigrants first before Indiginous British by Government Directives.

Spot... On the previous thread concerning the BNP... You were proved wrong about your Eutopian Ideal of Immigration. If you over-looked It, then here It is again:

The Lords Select Committee on Economic Affairs is one the most respected in Parliament, including, as it does, former ministers from across the political divide.

Two former Conservative Chancellors, Norman Lamont and Nigel Lawson, sit on the panel.

Joining them are former captains of industry and internationally respected economists.

Together they spent nine months considering one the most emotive issues facing Britain in the 21st century, taking evidence from the Bank of England, dozens of population experts and economists, the CBI, the British Medical Association, local councils, the TUC, the Audit Commission, the Government's Migration Impacts Forum and Home Office ministers.

Transcripts of the evidence ran to 514 pages.

Some of the most scathing observations - including those that there is little or no benefit to the economy from immigration - were made by Lord Layard, one of the world's foremost economists.

The Eton-educated Labour peer was founder-director of the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics.

Equally critical was Liberal Democrat peer Lord Vallance, who spent his executive career with BT. He was president of the CBI from 2000 to 2002 and is a former member of the board at the Mobil Corporation.

The inquiry was led by Lord Wakeham, a former Tory leader of both the Commons and the Lords and a former Energy Secretary.

The committee has a rough split of Labour and Opposition figures. Labour members include Lord Moonie, an armed forces minister under Tony Blair.

The others are Lord Best, Lord Griffiths, Lord Kingsdown, Lord Macdonald, Lord MacGregor, Lord Oakeshott, Lord Paul, Lord Sheldon, Lord Skidelsky and Lord Turner.

The panel had an internationally respected special adviser to help compile its findings, Dr Martin Ruhs, of Oxford University's Centre on Immigration, Policy and Society.

The report was passed unanimously, with all 16 members backing its content. Insiders have described at as one of the most openly critical reports of Government policy written in recent times.



Read more: The sixteen peers whose voices can't be ignored over migrant myth | Mail Online

[gmc]

posted by iscar

The reason these Immigrants are herded Into such appalling over-crowded Tower blocks Is due to Un-affordable housing and over-stretched Council housing due to Immigration. Spot... I don't care how many reports and links you come back with... I have sat on the Council Housing Commitee for some years and I know from the grass roots that Immigration has led to a lack of council Properties and I also know that Councils are leant upon to consider Immigrants first before Indiginous British by Government Directives.


So maggie thatcher's selling off of the council housing stock and prevention of local authorities using the proceeds build more had nothing to do with it?

Ah the sixties and seventies hippies out to spread peace and love and riots on the streets.

YouTube - Mods & Rockers seaside clash 1960s

At least nowadays you don't get 5,000 people turning up to riot as a way of entertaining themselves on a bank holiday.

British Pathe - HASTINGS ROCKS THE MODS

oh look hippies rioting

British Pathe - VIETNAM DEMONSTRATIONS

then there these bastions of law and order

YouTube - NF March, Lewisham, London, August 1977, 2/3

I grew up in the sixties-subject to random violence by teachers equipped with the tawse, none of that softie southern perverted caning nonsense- in time to be unemployed in the seventies. Scary no thoroughly depressing yes. The morris marina years-anyone that hearkens back to that as some lost golden age is an idiot.

[Issie]

gmc said:

You forget how many British people work abroad, don't pay UK tax yet take advantage of the NHS and other state provision when they come back to this country.
For the last 2 years my son has been living/working in Sydney, he paid into the UK system for 15 years before he had the opportunity of a lifetime to go work for his company in OZ, and if after 5 years his company decides to send him back to the UK, he will not be eligible for free treatment from the NHS for 12 months and until he proves that he is here permanently.

IMO: He has a right to receive treatment from the NHS before any immigrant or asylum seeker.

Why do we pay heating allowance to pensioners in Spain?.
We only pay heating allowance to pensioners in Spain to those who qualified and received the benefit before leaving the UK, otherwise we don’t, and it does get cold in certain parts of Spain during the winter…....the temperature in Madrid can be colder than the UK.

Should we not stop the payment of state pensions to those rich enough to live abroad or have emigrated
If someone has paid 40 years into the system or a couple like myself and the hubby with a combined total of 80 + years paid into the system, then they are entitled to their state pension chose where they live, otherwise can we have all our contributions back.?….plus many pensioners continue to pay UK tax on any small private pension and they don’t all emigrate because they are rich, some go for the climate and health reasons, others go because they can no longer live on a basic state pension in this country.

When they are ill they all come back here to sponge off the state.
The pensioners do not have to come back here for medical care because it is free for pensioners in EU countries to those who have registered with the local doctor, and Spain now has some far advanced hospitals than the UK.

If you are out of the country for more than 3 months a year, you no longer qualify for certain benefits, and this is why the ex-pats are advised to take out private health insurance which will cover them in both Spain and the UK..

Which is entirely different to what happens in this country because the rules here are based on residency, and if you have legally entered the country or are an asylum seeker waiting for the decision for the right to remain here, you are entitled to the NHS free of charge, and yet have paid NOTHING into the system.!.

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1295868 wrote: posted by iscar



So maggie thatcher's selling off of the council housing stock and prevention of local authorities using the proceeds build more had nothing to do with it?

]



. I see no relevence to the thread concerning Mods and Rockers. Which by the Way, you do not have to Educate me on as being born In Brighton, I witnessed the clashes every year along with some of the worst Football Violence In History. What is your point of adding that?

You are correct however that the selling of Council Houses on the scale Thatcher's Government did, led to the chronic shortage we have now. That however, has nothing to do with Immigration putting an Un-Imaginable strain on what rentable homes there are left and the building on Greenbelt to ease the burden.

I have sat In Housing meetings where Somalians just arriving have been given preference over an Indiginous couple with children In Bed and Breakfast. For the record, when I objected at one meeting, a black woman accussed me of being rascist, never mind the British Couple being In that B&B for two years with young children.

Unless you have ever sat on a Housing Committee and seen the Directives from Government, you will never know what goes on behind closed doors.

Appalling Council managment has also created sprawling Ethnic Council Estates where properties go Un-rented for months on end. When a house becomes available, preference Is given to ethnic minority's because quite rightly, the council assume that to place a British White family In amongst a 1,000 Asians will be a disaster... so the problem continue's.

Andy Is absolutely correct... Now, we will have an Immigrant facing deportation threatening suicide and this useless Government will no doubt pander to them.

[G#Gill]

A form of emotional blackmail, no doubt. Maybe the government might see that as a way of reducing a problem, by either just not reacting to it, or being their usual speedy self? :rolleyes:

[gmc]

posted by oscar

I see no relevence to the thread concerning Mods and Rockers. Which by the Way, you do not have to Educate me on as being born In Brighton, I witnessed the clashes every year along with some of the worst Football Violence In History. What is your point of adding that?


Both you and andy keep harking back to a golden age where there was no street violence and people never got terrorised by yobs and violence and nowadays things are a lot worse. The reality is very different as even you yourself allude to.

some of the worst Football Violence In History.


Of course you don't see the relevance you prefer not to.

posted by oscar

I have sat In Housing meetings where Somalians just arriving have been given preference over an Indiginous couple with children In Bed and Breakfast. For the record, when I objected at one meeting, a black woman accussed me of being rascist, never mind the British Couple being In that B&B for two years with young children.




And? what did you do about it?



posted by issie

We only pay heating allowance to pensioners in Spain to those who qualified and received the benefit before leaving the UK, otherwise we don’t, and it does get cold in certain parts of Spain during the winter¦....the temperature in Madrid can be colder than the UK.


And of course the old dears don't play the system. I'm fed up reading about OAP's in spain coming back to the UK so they get the free care they need for their old age. You left you should take the consequences of that choice.



posted by issie

If someone has paid 40 years into the system or a couple like myself and the hubby with a combined total of 80 + years paid into the system, then they are entitled to their state pension chose where they live, otherwise can we have all our contributions back.?¦.plus many pensioners continue to pay UK tax on any small private pension and they don’t all emigrate because they are rich, some go for the climate and health reasons, others go because they can no longer live on a basic state pension in this country.




No they can't because you were paying for those who were retired when you were working just as your pension is now paid for by the taxpayer. You weren't contributing to your own pension you were paying someone else's. There are many pensioners who would love to have enough of an income to pay tax. If you worked for local government or the civil service you have a pension paid for by the taxpayers and those poor sods not in superannuation schemes who don't have that kind for luxury. If you want to dodge paying UK tax then you should lose any state funded benefits.

We either have a welfare system funded by progressive taxation or the rich are OK and everybody else is in ****. Let's just say my views are very much on the left one that one.

There's two separate issues asylum seekers-as opposed to illegal immigrants. We need to distinguish between the two and govt needs to be faster dealing with them.

As to ex pats-if you choose to dodge paying UK tax then you should lose out on state funded benefits. I've got little sympathy for tax dodgers and benefit cheats no matter who they might be. Companies are pretty good at dodging tax as well but that's a european wide problem. Fat chance the BNP would have in dealing with that one since it's going to take european wide agreement.

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1295981 wrote: posted by oscar



Both you and andy keep harking back to a golden age where there was no street violence and people never got terrorised by yobs and violence and nowadays things are a lot worse. The reality is very different as even you yourself allude to.



Of course you don't see the relevance you prefer not to.

posted by oscar



And? what did you do about it?



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Your still way off beam with the Mods and The Rockers. For one, It was a Bank Holiday thing that Occurred maybe 4 times a year at the most. For two, It was between usually two groups, Skinheads and Hell's Angels or Bikers.

It was not a Nationwide breakdown of society that yob culture Is today. Even GB describes yob culture as an epidemic. The difference today and that of the M&R's Is they did not randomly target Innocent people In the Street. They fought their Opposition Including on the Football Terraces. If you wanted to avoid It, Simples... You just didn't go Into Brighton Sea Front on a Bank Holiday nor did you go to the away matches at Millwall.

Yob culture today Is a breakdown of the family Unit and Society. People are attacked at random In the Street Daily. I'll give you an example.... A few days ago Mr O was In the local shop. A large group of hooded youngsters were blocking the door. An elderly man couldn't get out the door and Mr O told them that they could see the old man trying to get out and one said 'Well he never asked us to move!!!'. Mr O replied 'Why the **** should he'? That's the difference... And what's frightening Is that these Ungrates will spawn offspring of their own very soon.

The BNP do not hark after the 'Good Old days' at all. This Government has left the Police force so dangerously Under-funded and Under-manned that they can not deal with the Anti-Social behaviour. All the BNP would do Is Invest back Into the Police, Re-Open closed Police Stations and get more men out on the Streets.

As for the Black Lady at the Council meeting accussing me of being rascist..... I accussed her of being rascist by putting a Somalian before the needs of a British Couple who had been In B&B for two years. By the way, The Somalian got the house.

[gmc]

The difference today and that of the M&R's Is they did not randomly target Innocent people In the Street. They fought their Opposition Including on the Football Terraces. If you wanted to avoid It, Simples... You just didn't go Into Brighton Sea Front on a Bank Holiday nor did you go to the away matches at Millwall.

Yob culture today Is a breakdown of the family Unit and Society. People are attacked at random In the Street Daily.


You cling to that illusion if you want. Maybe you lived in a nice leafy suburb where violence was an organised event the lower classes indulged in when they came out the cities. Getting your head kicked in by total strangers if you happened to be in the wrong place was an ever present threat I remember very well indeed. It's still a problem, particularly if you are a young male, just not by any means a new one. Systematic, almost ritual bullying in school was commonplace, part of the hurly burly of growing up and nothing was ever done about it till somebody got hospitalised. If you complained you were a wimp and if you couldn't fight back or learn to cope life was pretty hellish.

You have vision of Britain that never was.

[Oscar Namechange]

gmc;1296008 wrote: You have vision of Britain that never was.
Bollocks.

I see It every weekend with the teenagers. Their attitude towards the police Is disgusting. All respect has gone and that's down to the Loony Liberal Bleeding hearts telling every scroat what his human rights are In school.

Random Violence Is far higher than It was In the 50's and 60's.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... itain.html

Do you think for a minute that there was no bullying or fighting In Private Schools or the leafy Suberbs?

24 Hour Licensing laws have certainly created this problem. Binge drinking Is one of biggest wastes of Police man-power.

[mikeinie]

I don’t know, some stuff was just never talked about back then.

Almost all of the cases of sexual abuse by priests that are now coming to light are issues that happened mostly during those periods.

Bullying wasn’t even a term back then. Now you look at someone sideways and you are harassing them.

Back then the geeks got their @sses kicked in the school yard and that’s just how it was. There were fights almost every day and the only thing that happened was the teachers made you shake hands and make up.

It all happened backed then, if you don’t think so then you are fooling yourself.