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[Oscar Namechange]

BNP votes to allow non-whites to join party | Mail Online

[G#Gill]

Could be interesting.

[flopstock]

What a pathetic group.

[spot]

Not at all flopster. They've now abandoned all institutional aspects of racism and I'm delighted.

Their policy is now, as best I understand it, to reduce the number of people resident in the United Kingdom without a legal right to be here to zero which is a laudable objective - do any US parties have such a policy? Sadly I suspect not. I'd be delighted to see measures taken to achieve that end, though I'd do it by changing the laws here.

They also have a policy of reducing immigration for anyone with no UK ancestry over the last couple of generations. They may also, for all I know, still have a policy of assisted voluntary repatriation for those who immigrated here in the past who have a legal right of residency or citizenship. If they can form an administration on that platform then they're welcome to implement their policies. They can't get such a mandate of course, the overwhelming majority of the electorate prefers a multicultural society here over what they advocate.

What they've got rid of is their colour bar for membership, it's a major step and they should get a pat on the back.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290407 wrote: Not at all flopster. They've now abandoned all institutional aspects of racism and I'm delighted.

Their policy is now, as best I understand it, to reduce the number of people resident in the United Kingdom without a legal right to be here to zero which is a laudable objective - do any US parties have such a policy? Sadly I suspect not. I'd be delighted to see measures taken to achieve that end, though I'd do it by changing the laws here.

They also have a policy of reducing immigration for anyone with no UK ancestry over the last couple of generations. They may also, for all I know, still have a policy of assisted voluntary repatriation for those who immigrated here in the past who have a legal right of residency or citizenship. If they can form an administration on that platform then they're welcome to implement their policies. They can't get such a mandate of course, the overwhelming majority of the electorate prefers a multicultural society here over what they advocate.

What they've got rid of is their colour bar for membership, it's a major step and they should get a pat on the back.
The bid to deport all Illegal Immigrants will be done by the use of Biometric ID. It Is not BNP policy to not accept anyone with no UK ancestry. The BNP welcomes genuine asylum seekers fleeing oppressive regimes. They do not welcome bogus asylum seekers who pass through other safe countries to get to Britian for our benifits. The BNP will welcome a multi-cultural society providing the British remain the larger % of the population. The BNP asks that any Immigrant be able to support themselves when arriving here and not be an Immediate burden on our services and Infrastructure. Similar to US restrictions.

The BNP policy for assisted repatronisation is called 'The Homewardbound Project' and has been In place for many years. The Labour Government proposed the exact same policy two years ago. The BNP will offer any Immigrant Wishing to return to the country of their origin £300,000. The Labour Government when proposing the same sheme offered £3,000. The Idea behind It is that many of our Immigrants come from the third world and poverty stricken lands. The money they would be paid to re-patronise would create wealth in poverty struck area's as well as easing the burden on our benifit system.

The BNP will make the Red and Urbane Fox a protected species.

[Oscar Namechange]

flopstock;1290382 wrote: What a pathetic group. So what Policy does the Obama administration have in place to deal with the Millions of Illegals in your country?

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290424 wrote:

The BNP welcomes genuine asylum seekers :wah:

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290425 wrote: So what Policy does the Obama administration have in place to deal with the Millions of Illegals in your country?Hand them money to spend to pick up the economy. Whats wrong with that? Thats what Obama does for Hoppy to exist as well.

[spot]

oscar;1290424 wrote: The bid to deport all Illegal Immigrants will be done by the use of Biometric ID.Don't be silly. Biometric ID doesn't even exist for UK Nationals much less for alien residents, legal or otherwise. As a plan for thirty years from now it might be feasible, as a policy for this decade it's meaningless.

[buttercup]

oscar;1290424 wrote:

The BNP policy for assisted repatronisation is called 'The Homewardbound Project' and has been In place for many years. The Labour Government proposed the exact same policy two years ago. The BNP will offer any Immigrant Wishing to return to the country of their origin £300,000. .


How much !!!!!!!!!!!!

Am i the only person sitting here wondering where all that money is coming from.

[Ahso!]

buttercup;1290437 wrote: How much !!!!!!!!!!!!

Am i the only person sitting here wondering where all that money is coming from.Yes! That part is insignificant. The money will be there when its needed, its simply the process of keystroking.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290431 wrote: Don't be silly. Biometric ID doesn't even exist for UK Nationals much less for alien residents, legal or otherwise. As a plan for thirty years from now it might be feasible, as a policy for this decade it's meaningless.
Your right. Biometric ID does not exist for UK Nationals however, the BNP Is not In power and Nick griffin Is not In No 10. The only reason we have not progressed with biometric ID is lack of Investment so far.

[Oscar Namechange]

buttercup;1290437 wrote: How much !!!!!!!!!!!!

Am i the only person sitting here wondering where all that money is coming from.


The cost Is no more than each Immigrant who arrives unable to support themselves has on the services such as Education, NHS, Benifit, Housing etc etc. Infact, It's a small price to pay In comparison to what It costs to house and treat each Immigrant over 10 years. For one... The Immediate deportation of every Immigrant in our prisons would be a massive saving alone to the tax payer. The amount paid to any one wishing to re-patronise to the country of their origin could ultimately save our country and others from the billions we give in aid to third world countries that only produce a trickle down effect after corrupt governments use the aid for their own means.

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290427 wrote: Hand them money to spend to pick up the economy. Whats wrong with that? Thats what Obama does for Hoppy to exist as well.
So your Illegals take precedent over the hard working native American tax payer do they?

How exactly does an Illegal pick the economy up in the US? perhaps you'd like to outline how this policy works?

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290483 wrote: So your Illegals take precedent over the hard working native American tax payer do they?

How exactly does an Illegal pick the economy up in the US? perhaps you'd like to outline how this policy works?Nah! You should be smart enough to figure that much out.

[Snowfire]

I dont buy it for a minute. I dont care how you dress it up. The fundamental principles of the BNP havent changed. They are simply making their racist ideals easier to swallow. "Look at us, we aren't racist at all. We have invited a few token Blacks/Asians into our party to make it much more palatable " Only a mug would fall for that

They are hanging on the coat tails of immigration and our problem is, is that the main parties have refused to take the issue seriously

[Ahso!]

Snowfire;1290510 wrote: I dont buy it for a minute. I dont care how you dress it up. The fundamental principles of the BNP havent changed. They are simply making their racist ideals easier to swallow. "Look at us, we aren't racist at all. We have invited a few token Blacks/Asians into our party to make it much more palatable " Only a mug would fall for that

They are hanging on the coat tails of immigration and our problem is, is that the main parties have refused to take the issue seriouslyI thought it was interesting that the guy stated they were accepting applications to join the party. Perhaps thats how its done in the UK, but it just sounds funny to me.

[G#Gill]

Ahso!;1290486 wrote: Nah! You should be smart enough to figure that much out.


That's a cop-out, Ahso, and you know it. Just answer Oscar's question, which is reasonable enough I think.

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290486 wrote: Nah! You should be smart enough to figure that much out.
I'm certainly smart enough to work you out pal. I'm also smart enough to know that generations of weak administration in the Whitehouse has left your Country with a mounting problem of Illegals In your Country that will take you another generation to remove.

[Snowfire]

The sad fact is they may have a measure of success because all three main parties have refused to take the bull by the horns and address the problem of mass immigration. Any attempt by the public to discuss the issue is usually met with the accusation of racism. The Labour party has managed to divide the country to such an extent that it has handed a degree of support to the BNP, who in turn have dressed themselves up in smart suits and done the usual kissing babies routine. But as you Americans know from experience a pig with lipstick is still a pig - if you know what I mean

[Oscar Namechange]

G#Gill;1290516 wrote: That's a cop-out, Ahso, and you know it. Just answer Oscar's question, which is reasonable enough I think.
He won't because he can't Gill. Ahso has a history on this forum of entering threads on British Politics, adding nothing, yet calling British Posters 'Outsiders' when they critise his Countries failings.

[Bruv]

Please can I clarify that the BNP policy is to encourage Johnny Foreigner to return home by giving each one (Bruv takes a deep breathe) £300,000 that is three hundred thousand pounds ?

Who would like to work out the economics of that for me ?

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290511 wrote: I thought it was interesting that the guy stated they were accepting applications to join the party. Perhaps thats how its done in the UK, but it just sounds funny to me.
Anyone who believed Obama would be good for the US would find the Inner workings of the Far Right 'funny'.

The 'Guy' is Nick Griffin'. Do try to keep up old boy If you are going to contribute to British Political threads. Mind You, coming from a guy who believes that Vietnam was the greatest accomplishment of the US military, I'd expect nothing less.

[Ahso!]

G#Gill;1290516 wrote: That's a cop-out, Ahso, and you know it. Just answer Oscar's question, which is reasonable enough I think.We're a country of laissez faire where everything will work itself out as long as government stays out of the process. Thats what you believe, isn't it Oskey? You're basically a UK version of our republican party, aren't you?

[Ahso!]

Bruv;1290521 wrote: Please can I clarify that the BNP policy is to encourage Johnny Foreigner to return home by giving each one (Bruv takes a deep breathe) £300,000 that is three hundred thousand pounds ?

Who would like to work out the economics of that for me ?I just found my long lost English accent.

[Oscar Namechange]

Bruv;1290521 wrote: Please can I clarify that the BNP policy is to encourage Johnny Foreigner to return home by giving each one (Bruv takes a deep breathe) £300,000 that is three hundred thousand pounds ?

Who would like to work out the economics of that for me ? As I said earlier Bruv, the saving Is in the reduced burden on the NHS, Housing, Education and the Benifit System. Added to the reduced Billions countries would have to give by means of aid to third world countries If Immigrants re-patronise using the money to create wealth in Poverty stricken areas.

[Snowfire]

Bruv;1290521 wrote: Please can I clarify that the BNP policy is to encourage Johnny Foreigner to return home by giving each one (Bruv takes a deep breathe) £300,000 that is three hundred thousand pounds ?

Who would like to work out the economics of that for me ?


Its a cause for wonderment to me too. I'm thinking of trying to blag my way into them sending me to, maybe Barbados with a £3000,000 cheque. I'm feeling discriminated for not including everyone in the deal

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290522 wrote: Anyone who believed Obama would be good for the US would find the Inner workings of the Far Right 'funny'.

The 'Guy' is Nick Griffin'. Do try to keep up old boy If you are going to contribute to British Political threads. Mind You, coming from a guy who believes that Vietnam was the greatest accomplishment of the US military, I'd expect nothing less.You're such a rough and tumble kinda gal.

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290523 wrote: We're a country of laissez faire where everything will work itself out as long as government stays out of the process. Thats what you believe, isn't it Oskey? You're basically a UK version of our republican party, aren't you? No... Your country Is a mess. Glass houses etc.

[Snowfire]

oscar;1290525 wrote: As I said earlier Bruv, the saving Is in the reduced burden on the NHS, Housing, Education and the Benifit System. Added to the reduced Billions countries would have to give by means of aid to third world countries If Immigrants re-patronise using the money to create wealth in Poverty stricken areas.


So what if 1,000,000 people take up the offer ?

That comes to 300,000,000,000. Who pays for that ?

[Bruv]

oscar;1290525 wrote: As I said earlier Bruv, the saving Is in the reduced burden on the NHS, Housing, Education and the Benifit System. Added to the reduced Billions countries would have to give by means of aid to third world countries If Immigrants re-patronise using the money to create wealth in Poverty stricken areas.


That presumes the people will not be tax payers.

Are all these people going to be 'recruited' for deportation (sorry) repatriation from job centres ?

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290525 wrote: As I said earlier Bruv, the saving Is in the reduced burden on the NHS, Housing, Education and the Benifit System. Added to the reduced Billions countries would have to give by means of aid to third world countries If Immigrants re-patronise using the money to create wealth in Poverty stricken areas.I've heard this before. Its the UK's version of "The Contract on America" by Newt Gingrich and the republicans back in the 90's.

Have fun! Oscar's too tough for me.

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290528 wrote: No... Your country Is a mess. Glass houses etc.Didn't understand my post, did you?:wah:

[Bruv]

Snowfire;1290529 wrote: So what if 1,000,000 people take up the offer ?

That comes to 300,000,000,000. Who pays for that ?


Have I told you the joke about the dusky gentlemen collecting to send their deceased relative home, one pleaded "A pound will do" My mate gave em a fiver and said "Here you go, send another four with him" Boom boom

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290532 wrote: Didn't understand my post, did you?:wah: Oh I certainly understood your post. You however, do not have enough brain cells to work out my response which now appears to have been wasted on you.

[Ahso!]

What a delight.

I'm curious, does it ever get hard?

[spot]

oscar;1290482 wrote: The cost Is no more than each Immigrant who arrives unable to support themselves has on the services such as Education, NHS, Benifit, Housing etc etc. Infact, It's a small price to pay In comparison to what It costs to house and treat each Immigrant over 10 years. For one... The Immediate deportation of every Immigrant in our prisons would be a massive saving alone to the tax payer. The amount paid to any one wishing to re-patronise to the country of their origin could ultimately save our country and others from the billions we give in aid to third world countries that only produce a trickle down effect after corrupt governments use the aid for their own means.


It's untrue, it's propaganda and you can't support it with figures.

Here's a starting point:

This paper assess the fiscal consequences of migration to the UK from the Central and Eastern European

countries that joined the EU in May 2004 (A8 countries). We show that A8 immigrants who arrived after

EU enlargement in 2004, and who have at least one year of residence – and are therefore legally eligible

to claim benefits - are 60% less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 58% less

likely to live in social housing. Even if A8 immigrants had the same demographic characteristics of

natives, they would still be 13% less likely to receive benefits and 28% less likely to live in social housing.

We then compare the net fiscal contribution of A8 immigrants with that of individuals born in the UK,

and find that in each fiscal year since enlargement in 2004, A8 immigrants made a positive contribution

to public finance despite the fact that the UK has been running a budget deficit over the last years. This

is because they have a higher labour force participation rate, pay proportionately more in indirect taxes,

and make much lower use of benefits and public services.



http://www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf





The paper has references to other immigrant communities and their respective impact on the benefits system. We could follow each in turn if you like.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290541 wrote: It's untrue, it's propaganda and you can't support it with figures.

Here's a starting point:

This paper assess the fiscal consequences of migration to the UK from the Central and Eastern European

countries that joined the EU in May 2004 (A8 countries). We show that A8 immigrants who arrived after

EU enlargement in 2004, and who have at least one year of residence – and are therefore legally eligible

to claim benefits - are 60% less likely than natives to receive state benefits or tax credits, and 58% less

likely to live in social housing. Even if A8 immigrants had the same demographic characteristics of

natives, they would still be 13% less likely to receive benefits and 28% less likely to live in social housing.

We then compare the net fiscal contribution of A8 immigrants with that of individuals born in the UK,

and find that in each fiscal year since enlargement in 2004, A8 immigrants made a positive contribution

to public finance despite the fact that the UK has been running a budget deficit over the last years. This

is because they have a higher labour force participation rate, pay proportionately more in indirect taxes,

and make much lower use of benefits and public services.



http://www.econ.ucl.ac.uk/cream/pages/CDP/CDP_18_09.pdf





The paper has references to other immigrant communities and their respective impact on the benefits system. We could follow each in turn if you like. Is this part of the repor that was found to be fundamentally flawed on behalf of the labour Party after It failed to take Into account dependents of Immigrants?

[Oscar Namechange]

Ahso!;1290538 wrote: What a delight.

I'm curious, does it ever get hard for you?
I thought you were leaving?

[Ahso!]

oscar;1290548 wrote: I thought you were leaving?You keep calling me back. you don't make it hard enough to stay away.

[spot]

oscar;1290546 wrote: Is this part of the repor that was found to be fundamentally flawed on behalf of the labour Party after It failed to take Into account dependents of Immigrants?


You believe what you believe to be true because of your prejudice, not because of any factual basis. By all means produce evidence of what you claim and we can discuss it further. Bear in mind that the authors are rather better qualified to express legitimate findings than you are.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290551 wrote: You believe what you believe to be true because of your prejudice, not because of any factual basis. By all means produce evidence of what you claim and we can discuss it further. Bear in mind that the authors are rather better qualified to express legitimate findings than you are. I have never Infered that I am In a better postition to express legitimate findings.

The Labour report of Immigration vs GDP was flawed due to not taking Into account any dependents. I asked If your research was part of that flawed report.

Weather any Immigrants Is employed or not, they still qualify for free Council Housing and NHS and Education regardless.

The money saved by Immediate deportation of Imprisoned Immigrants In the UK could pay the Homeward Bound scheme in part.

[spot]

oscar;1290554 wrote: The Labour report of Immigration vs GDP was flawed due to not taking Into account any dependents. I asked If your research was part of that flawed report.No it wasn't.

oscar wrote: Weather any Immigrants Is employed or not, they still qualify for free Council Housing and NHS and Education regardless.No they most certainly do not.Benefits

Migrants

All foreign nationals must have a national insurance number to claim benefits. Some EU

citizens are entitled to claim as long as they are working or actively seeking work and

have an NI number. Citizens from the new EU countries (A8) are not entitled to benefits

until they have been here at least two years or are registered with the government

Registration Scheme. To register they must have a job. After a year of employment they

may be eligible for certain state benefits - child benefits, tax credit, housing benefit and

housing accommodation. People from other countries must have special work permits

and cannot generally claim benefits.

Illegal immigrants

They are not entitled to any benefits.

Asylum Seekers

They are not entitled to benefits.

http://www.arun.gov.uk/assets/Business_ ... evised.pdf

Housing

Migrant Workers

If they have an NI number, have a right to be in the UK and are registered on the Workers Registration Scheme they may go on the housing register and may be entitled to Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit and to apply as Homeless. Once the 12 months uninterrupted work has been completed, they will no longer be required to register as a worker, and they will have equal rights to others. In all cases migrant workers get no preferential treatment and their need is assessed in the same way as anyone else who applies.

Illegal Immigrants

They are not entitled to housing.

Asylum Seekers

They are not entitled to housing. They are housed through NASS or privately.

NHS

Migrant Workers

Generally they have the right to register as an NHS patient with a doctor if they are here for a settled purpose (ie are intending to be resident here for six months or more). If they are not residents then they are treated as private patients.

Illegal Immigrants

They cannot register as an NHS patient and will only be treated in an emergency by a hospital or GP.

Asylum Seekers

They have the right to register as an NHS patient at a GP surgery.

http://www.eden.gov.uk/your-council/equ ... t-workers/



As for education, "The organisation responsible for providing education in your area is the local council. It must ensure that all children living in its area receive full-time education, regardless of their immigration status." - http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/while- ... education/ which has been true since, I think, 1881 (though the age range has expanded in the interim). It's not "qualify for free", it's a legal obligation.

oscar wrote: The money saved by Immediate deportation of Imprisoned Immigrants In the UK could pay the Homeward Bound scheme in part.So could I with sixpence.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290562 wrote: No it wasn't.

No they most certainly do not.Benefits

Migrants

All foreign nationals must have a national insurance number to claim benefits. Some EU

citizens are entitled to claim as long as they are working or actively seeking work and

have an NI number. Citizens from the new EU countries (A8) are not entitled to benefits

until they have been here at least two years or are registered with the government

Registration Scheme. To register they must have a job. After a year of employment they

may be eligible for certain state benefits - child benefits, tax credit, housing benefit and

housing accommodation. People from other countries must have special work permits

and cannot generally claim benefits.

Illegal immigrants

They are not entitled to any benefits.

Asylum Seekers

They are not entitled to benefits.

http://www.arun.gov.uk/assets/Business_ ... evised.pdf

Housing

Migrant Workers

If they have an NI number, have a right to be in the UK and are registered on the Workers Registration Scheme they may go on the housing register and may be entitled to Housing Benefit, Council Tax Benefit and to apply as Homeless. Once the 12 months uninterrupted work has been completed, they will no longer be required to register as a worker, and they will have equal rights to others. In all cases migrant workers get no preferential treatment and their need is assessed in the same way as anyone else who applies.

Illegal Immigrants

They are not entitled to housing.

Asylum Seekers

They are not entitled to housing. They are housed through NASS or privately.

NHS

Migrant Workers

Generally they have the right to register as an NHS patient with a doctor if they are here for a settled purpose (ie are intending to be resident here for six months or more). If they are not residents then they are treated as private patients.

Illegal Immigrants

They cannot register as an NHS patient and will only be treated in an emergency by a hospital or GP.

Asylum Seekers

They have the right to register as an NHS patient at a GP surgery.

Migrant Workers



As for education, "The organisation responsible for providing education in your area is the local council. It must ensure that all children living in its area receive full-time education, regardless of their immigration status." - UK Border Agency | Education which has been true since, I think, 1881 (though the age range has expanded in the interim). It's not "qualify for free", it's a legal obligation.

So could I with sixpence.
Sorry Spot but I can not take this link seriously. I don't have time now but I will try to find something from the Home Office or something with a little more explanation. I beg to differ with you strongly over Immigrants claiming benifit. Most certainly, Immigrants have claimed benifit without a national Insurence number as this has been a debate by most Parties for some years. I will get back on this one.

One different side of the coin:

http://news.migrationwatch.org.uk/welfare_benefits/

[spot]

oscar;1290590 wrote: Sorry Spot but I can not take this link seriously. I don't have time now but I will try to find something from the Home Office or something with a little more explanation. I beg to differ with you strongly over Immigrants claiming benifit. Most certainly, Immigrants have claimed benifit without a national Insurence number as this has been a debate by most Parties for some years. I will get back on this one.


By all means do. It's hard discussing matters reasonably with an opinionated eel who thinks opinion counts for more than evidence.

[Oscar Namechange]

spot;1290594 wrote: By all means do. It's hard discussing matters reasonably with an opinionated eel who thinks opinion counts for more than evidence.
Tut Tut Tut old boy. Resorting to Insults shows an Inability to debate. I edited my former post. Perhaps you'd care to peruse the link I added from 'Migrationwatch'. It is not my opinion that states the report of Immigration vs GDP being flawed, It is well documented and I shall provide you with that evidence which no doubt will see you merely dismiss It as 'Propoganda' as and when It suits you. Unfortunately I am not willing to sit up all night going through files. Patience dear boy.

By the way... Any chance of you returning to the 9/11 thread posted In September that you told us all you would returm to with some kind of evidence for your claims?

[Clodhopper]

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Oh joy.

The irony!

(flutter eyelashes seductively and then fall about with helpless laughter...

Oh gosh doesn't Spring feel good. :-6

[Clodhopper]

You claim the political party you support has at last moved on from the 1920's. Bulls with a HEAVY load...

The BNP is a racist party that follows the Nazis: Liars to the last piece of poo.

[Clodhopper]

And she will never understand the glory that is Kohima or New Guinea.

Or understand what Canada did in 1914-18 by being Canada and what Australia did in TWO world wars and I still don't understand but RESPECT.

We have a smallminded niggly nastiness you know about.

But we gave up our Empire to fight Nazism. Of that I am proud.

[Clodhopper]

xxx