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For those who want to understand the truth about marijuana, the following video is a must see. Its a little long at one hour and forty five minutes, but its worth it and is very entertaining. You'll enjoy it if you give it a try.

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Saint_;1289451 wrote: Marijuana is a gateway drug. Always has been, always will be. Its just common sense. If you are a risk taker, enough to try one illicit and illegal drug, then you'll probably tell yourself, "Well, that didn't hurt me. I'll try something else next." Same goes for beer. There's no one I know who didn't try beer, then graduate later to the harder liquors. just like shoplifting is a gateway crime. It's human psychology. We could quote stats all day long, but like I said, it's just common sense.;)

Let's ask our resident stoney, Ahso!, have you ever tried anything harder than marijuana? Yes?

I rest my case.:)Yes! Alcohol!

You?
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Ahso!;1289501 wrote: For those who want to understand the truth about marijuana, the following video is a must see. Its a little long at one hour and forty five minutes, but its worth it and is very entertaining. You'll enjoy it if you give it a try.

The Union


Ahso! You took the words right outta me mouth!LOL

I Had some tech difficulties yesterday. Wonder what thats about? My post didn't come up.

ANYWAY.

Saint.

I think all weapons should be BANNED. Yup! They kill people. SO many INNOCENT people. They get in the wrong hands, and cause so much strife and pain for everyone.

Close down the factories that make Guns and automatic weaponry. We really don't need them. There is a huge problem worldwide because of GUNS!:yh_rotfl



BTW> Your comments scare the heck out of me. I just don't want to go out anymore. I'm going to lock my doors and order everything in. I'm a half century old and so far I've been ok but your comments about home invasions and drug wars really made me think!However what if the delivery guy tries to barge his way in, rob or rape me? Gosh! I just can't take it anymore!

Maybe I should go to my Doc and get some anti-anxiety pills, or an anti-depressent. Perhaps a combined cocktail then I'll feel so much better!

Thanks Saint. You really open my eyes!:yh_rotfl
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A Gateway drug? Oh PLEASE! That's funny.

Sure, an 'addict' can and will abuse just about anything. Always chasing the proverbial dragon. News flash!! - Not everyone is an addict. The 'Gateway' excuse used by so many uninformed/inexperienced people is truly a lame and desperate attempt to justify their illogical anti-cannabis mindset. It only serves to perpetuate the dogma fed us by the pharmaceutical giants/ruling elite re - cannabis usage. The people that claim to believe this are no longer able to think critically after being subject to so many years of societal conditioning. Many of which include the same fools that use 'Harmaceuticals' to deal with anxiety & the like. Now 'That' is something that people SHOULD be genuinely afraid of! Wake up people!! Things are NOT as you think they are. A veritable plethora of evidence proving that Cannabis is NOT the harmful substance that many of you have been led to believe it is.

Just imagine the vast numbers of people using mind altering prescription drugs (that are actually extremely harmful) being able to self medicate safely. It would knock a huge chunk of the pharmaceutical corps money from their income. It (Cannabis) is a weed. It grows easily. Hard to have a monopoly on a substance that anyone can grow, yet they are trying their damnedest to harness the qualities of Cannabis in pill form. Hmm..I thot it was so harmful tho? Why would they do this? Well, it's quite simple really - Remember. whenever something doesn't seem to make sense - just follow the money. You'll ALWAYS find your answer(s).

The Union - Yes, yet just another very insightful video demonstrating why people are so obtuse when it comes to their believes regarding cannabis use.

Remember 'Reefer Madness'? Another piece of government propaganda used in an effort to scare the masses into believing something that was simply not true. People are much easier to control when they're afraid.

The number of uninformed/brainwashed individuals out there never ceases to boggle one's mind!
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It must suk giving in to peer pressure as easily as dope smokers seem to.:(
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hoppy;1289809 wrote: It must suk giving in to peer pressure as easily as dope smokers seem to.:(


It must suck to have such tunnel vision that you cannot contemplate an alternative viewpoint other than that which justifies a mindset that refuses to listen to reason.

Not to mention lazy, not to read what people have posted.

And I am not a "dope smoker" giving in to peer pressure. I do however try to give in to reason
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hoppy;1289809 wrote: It must suk giving in to peer pressure as easily as dope smokers seem to.:(
Hey Hoppy, I like you and agree with you on some things. One question...



Who on this earth could tell you that cannibis is a safe drug when used correctly and you would either believe what they have said or you would research and make up your own mind?
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Snowfire;1289859 wrote: It must suck to have such tunnel vision that you cannot contemplate an alternative viewpoint other than that which justifies a mindset that refuses to listen to reason.

Not to mention lazy, not to read what people have posted.

And I am not a "dope smoker" giving in to peer pressure. I do however try to give in to reason


Reason? It's been shown and "reasoned" that weed is a gateway drug. Rejecting that shows who has tunnel vision. :p
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hoppy;1289863 wrote: Reason? It's been shown and "reasoned" that weed is a gateway drug. Rejecting that shows who has tunnel vision. :p
Coffee is a gateway drug too if you are prone to addiction.
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hoppy;1289863 wrote: Reason? It's been shown and "reasoned" that weed is a gateway drug. Rejecting that shows who has tunnel vision. :p


Is alcohol, which is much more dangerous and addictive, a gateway drug ?

You consider cannabis a gateway drug because it reinforces your mindset. Pure and simple. As has been already posted, an addict will channel his addictions through the various substances but it isn't necessarily the case that cannabis is the catalyst for that addiction. The addiction itself is. Most people, including me, try weed/cannabis/marijuana in our teen years shrug our shoulders and never touch the stuff again, much less move on to harder stuff.
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It must "SUK" being brainwashed and not even knowing what reason means!

Reason denotes TRUTH and the ability to debate facts based on truth.



To reason with pure lies, exaggerations, MYTHS, uneducated emotional responses only exhibits the obtuse nature of the unreasonable.:)
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Amythest;1289914 wrote: It must "SUK" being brainwashed and not even knowing what reason means!

Reason denotes TRUTH and the ability to debate facts based on truth.



To reason with pure lies, exaggerations, MYTHS, uneducated emotional responses only exhibits the obtuse nature of the unreasonable.:)


You are just proving no matter the proof, your gonna deny it.
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hoppy;1289921 wrote: You are just proving no matter the proof, your gonna deny it.


Deny what?You haven't offered any proof. and "Refer Madness" has been proven to be total Lies and propaganda.

Tell me somethin. Straight up honesty or you'll opt for secrecy.

Do you take prescription drugs? if so how many and what kind? Are some of the narcotic psychotropic nature? If their not then what are the harmfull side effects?



Do you drink alcohol? If so what kind and whats the ammount and frequency?

If you answer yes to the above, from using one drug or just drinking, to taking a cocktail of drugs, and i sit here, in judgement, and list the reasons NOT to indulge in these substances THEN I AM A HYPOCRATE!

Most people take something. Addiction and your functionality ( ability to take care fo yourself and others in a kind responsible matter) are the factors here. NOT expecting the worst, and complete prohibition because of that.

However, fact is, not a single person died in the USA from herbal remedies ( that includes pot) compaired to over 1 million deaths caused by Pharmaceuticals alone. That doesn't include alcohol related deaths.

I opt for the safest medicine around and I'm sticking to it. Holistic. :-6
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Amythest;1289926 wrote: Deny what?You haven't offered any proof. and "Refer Madness" has been proven to be total Lies and propaganda.

Tell me somethin. Straight up honesty or you'll opt for secrecy.

Do you take prescription drugs? if so how many and what kind? Are some of the narcotic psychotropic nature? If their not then what are the harmfull side effects?



Do you drink alcohol? If so what kind and whats the ammount and frequency?

If you answer yes to the above, from using one drug or just drinking, to taking a cocktail of drugs, and i sit here, in judgement, and list the reasons NOT to indulge in these substances THEN I AM A HYPOCRATE!

Most people take something. Addiction and your functionality ( ability to take care fo yourself and others in a kind responsible matter) are the factors here. NOT expecting the worst, and complete prohibition because of that.

However, fact is, not a single person died in the USA from herbal remedies ( that includes pot) compaired to over 1 million deaths caused by Pharmaceuticals alone. That doesn't include alcohol related deaths.

I opt for the safest medicine around and I'm sticking to it. Holistic. :-6


Opt away then.

Daily News - British Man's Death Linked To OTC Herbal Medicine

Call for regulation of herbal medicine after man's death - Scotsman.com News

Drug Death Leads To Closure of China Herbal Medicine Factory

Herbal Medicines and Breast Cancer Risk

alternative medicine side effects
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hoppy;1289934 wrote: Opt away then.

Daily News - British Man's Death Linked To OTC Herbal Medicine

Call for regulation of herbal medicine after man's death - Scotsman.com News

Drug Death Leads To Closure of China Herbal Medicine Factory

Herbal Medicines and Breast Cancer Risk

alternative medicine side effectsHoppy, You are aware you are breaking you own rules of offering up evidence for debating purposes. This of course suggests that you will be as courteous of others in the future when they do the same, right?

I have not yet read any of the links.
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Ahso!;1289961 wrote: Hoppy, You are aware you are breaking you own rules of offering up evidence for debating purposes. This of course suggests that you will be as courteous of others in the future when they do the same, right?

I have not yet read any of the links.


Do you have a license to preach?
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hoppy;1289934 wrote: Opt away then.

Daily News - British Man's Death Linked To OTC Herbal Medicine

Call for regulation of herbal medicine after man's death - Scotsman.com News

Drug Death Leads To Closure of China Herbal Medicine Factory

Herbal Medicines and Breast Cancer Risk

alternative medicine side effects


I read the links.

Glucosamine is derived from sea creatures. Some brands use Oyster shells. Thats what I use and give my Dog. Neither of us have any problems. Some people are allergic to shelfish. Buyer beware and Be AWARE.

I think people are so far removed from the signals their bodies give out cause their used to being led and told what to do no matter the risks.



Yes i do agree there should be some quality control when manufacturing herbal meds.

The probelm lay in funding. Most of the facilities are private enterprise, are subject to business growth and sales and don't get the HUGE support and funding the Pharmaceutical establishments get. All the money is funneled to them.

It's a Monopoly.

I tend to buy from long established companies.

People can become sick from taking too much of anything. Holistic medicine is about balance. Balance of diet, exercise, and if herbal remedies are administered dosages must be monitered and specific.

Then one must consider the posions in the environemnt. Our water, air, food. Some things can be treated and prevented just by being careful what we injest. That isn't so easy or possible these days.

The link about womens health is partly true. Personally i can't take Pharm produced hormones. Know why!? I LOST EYESIGHT IN MY LEFT EYE from the pill.

A "side effect". If it weren't for a Chinese herbal DOC, i would be totally blind today, cause my doctor would still prescribe the pill even when he knew i devloped a sever eye condition from it.



Who Cares right? If a casualty happens due to medical mal practice it's swept under the rug, but a few deaths from herbal rmedies and it's like a Bomb went off.

Pharm Drugs aren't banned due to there many side effects.

I'm sticking with holisitics.

Oh yea. Thanks for answering my questions about YOUR drug use. Something to hide?
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Amythest;1289972 wrote: I read the links.

Glucosamine is derived from sea creatures. Some brands use Oyster shells. Thats what I use and give my Dog. Neither of us have any problems. Some people are allergic to shelfish. Buyer beware and Be AWARE.

I think people are so far removed from the signals their bodies give out cause their used to being led and told what to do no matter the risks.



Yes i do agree there should be some quality control when manufacturing herbal meds.

The probelm lay in funding. Most of the facilities are private enterprise, are subject to business growth and sales and don't get the HUGE support and funding the Pharmaceutical establishments get. All the money is funneled to them.

It's a Monopoly.

I tend to buy from long established companies.

People can become sick from taking too much of anything. Holistic medicine is about balance. Balance of diet, exercise, and if herbal remedies are administered dosages must be monitered and specific.

Then one must consider the posions in the environemnt. Our water, air, food. Some things can be treated and prevented just by being careful what we injest. That isn't so easy or possible these days.

The link about womens health is partly true. Personally i can't take Pharm produced hormones. Know why!? I LOST EYESIGHT IN MY LEFT EYE from the pill.

A "side effect". If it weren't for a Chinese herbal DOC, i would be totally blind today, cause my doctor would still prescribe the pill even when he knew i devloped a sever eye condition from it.



Who Cares right? If a casualty happens due to medical mal practice it's swept under the rug, but a few deaths from herbal rmedies and it's like a Bomb went off.

Pharm Drugs aren't banned due to there many side effects.

I'm sticking with holisitics.

Oh yea. Thanks for answering my questions about YOUR drug use. Something to hide?


MY drug use? Yeah, I take perscription drugs. Seven of 'em. I drink too. Mostly beer these days. I'm already old and my health is shot. In short, I no longer strive to live forever. I don't give a sh!t.:D
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hoppy;1289976 wrote: MY drug use? Yeah, I take perscription drugs. Seven of 'em. I drink too. Mostly beer these days. I'm already old and my health is shot. In short, I no longer strive to live forever. I don't give a sh!t.:D


There ya go. U have yours I have mine.

who gives a Sh!t

Just don't throw me in jail!:yh_rotfl

PEACE BroTHA!
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hoppy;1289976 wrote: MY drug use? Yeah, I take perscription drugs. Seven of 'em. I drink too. Mostly beer these days. I'm already old and my health is shot. In short, I no longer strive to live forever. I don't give a sh!t.:DThats what I love about you, Hoppy. As soon as you're asked to give an account, you run.

Incidentally, Have you read all of the links you provided? How about a little summary on each one?

I've read them, so you won't be able to cheat, you old dog you.
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I ain't a Murican but i sure do like some of the founders !

";">"December 1840: Abraham Lincoln writes, Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes... A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded

!!WOOHOO!!
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hoppy;1289934 wrote: Opt away then.

Daily News - British Man's Death Linked To OTC Herbal MedicineAn over-the-counter herbal remedy may have caused the death of a 64-year-old engineer from liver failure, a fatal accident inquiry has heard.Hey Hoppy - Wheres the beef? May have? Not very conclusive, is it? Next link is the same story.



Call for regulation of herbal medicine after man's death - Scotsman.com News

Drug Death Leads To Closure of China Herbal Medicine Factory

Herbal Medicines and Breast Cancer Risk Conventional medicine has come to have more of an appreciation of the potential of herbal medicine and a number of the more commonly used herbal medicines have been evaluated in clinical trials. The information which follows is based on the results of the small number of clinical trials that have been conducted to date on herbal medicines of importance to breast cancer and breast health.




Drug Death Leads To Closure of China Herbal Medicine Factory Since when do you use China as an example, Hoppy. Seems a little hypocritical.



Bans and recalls of drug products are common in China due to widespread safety problems in the nation's chaotic, under-regulated and often corrupt health industry.

The former head of China's State Food and Drug Administration, Zheng Xiaoyu, was executed in 2007 for taking bribes in exchange for product safety licences.

In another recent scandal, Chinese-made herbal remedies killed at least four people in October last year.Kinda funny.



I think its funny that liver problems are always the caution.
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Ahso!;1289985 wrote: Thats what I love about you, Hoppy. As soon as you're asked to give an account, you run.

Incidentally, Have you read all of the links you provided? How about a little summary on each one?

I've read them, so you won't be able to cheat, you old dog you.


How am I running? That's a liberal trait.

I scanned those sites and a few others too.

How about a summary? What, you think you are a teacher now? How about you kiss my butt?:p
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I've been taking Glucosamine Sulphate for years. Doesnt make me cough or wheeze. It doesnt give me a hangover. The only side affects are that it gives my joints the impression they are younger than they really are but I'll just have to live with that.

Come to think of it. That may be the reason I'm addicted to them ;)
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hoppy;1289991 wrote: How am I running? That's a liberal trait.

I scanned those sites and a few others too.

How about a summary? What, you think you are a teacher now? How about you kiss my butt?:pNormally when a person cites an article or other reference, they are familiar with the substance and offer a summary or at least a quote from the reference to drive a certain point. What you seem to do is make statements and then look to verify those statements by searching and scanning and then linking. In other words, your method just doesn't seem convincing because you don't know whats actually in the article.

What I meant by the running is you berate people for certain behavior while yours is equally bad or in this case so much worse and then say your behavior is okay because you just don't give a sh!t. Its a cop out. You probably shouldn't get into these arguments if you know you'll have to use cop outs.

All that said, hoppy, I'm glad to see you participating because you are an intelligent man behind all that self abuse and the mask you wear.
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Around and around this thread goes...

My final say: If you are already dying and need something to help with the pain, knock yourself out. I have no problem with that. You're going to die anyway.:thinking:

But the idea of legalizing more destructive drugs in a society that already battles the horrifying costs alcohol abuse and OTC abuse is just plain wrong. There was a good reason that we outlawed them in the first place, they destroy our civilization. And I, for one, love my country.:yh_flag
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