I’m going to jump in on the blame game. There is an entity that is escaping responsibility for their role in the alleged slow response to the hurricane victims. That entity is the news media.
For many years I’ve watched their reporting on hurricanes about to make landfall. I’ve watched as reporters/actors lean into an imaginary wind, pretending to lose their balance. For years I’ve seen the damage assessment fall way short of their hyped up stories. For years I’ve seen them show the same sailboat on its side time after time thinking that we wouldn’t notice.
They went to report on Katrina with the same showmen and women they always do. They put on the same show they always do. Then, when the initial blow died down they gave the same report they always have.
The News media has desensitized the public with their hype and showmanship.
This time when they began to see what had really happened. This time the results were actually what they had been pretending they were for all those other hurricanes. This time they had egg on their face. Their money grubbing, rate grabbing show had backfired. They had to blame someone. They had to get the cameras off of their failure. They began pointing their finger at others to avoid the responsibility for their actions.
The news media set everyone up for a slow response by turning non events into big ratings enhancers in the past.
Will they ever accept the blame? No.
Will there actions ever be examined? No
Will they continue to deflect the responsibility†You bet.
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The news media is the only party to all of this that isn't ever held accountable. All the others will be critiqued and investgated until we are sick of it and the News media will get rich covering the investigations.
Bring me bad tidings but make sure they are accurate.
Bring me bad tidings but make sure they are accurate.
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If it was'nt for the showmen reporters we would'nt get the news as it happens,
You cant have it all ways Clint!!
You cant have it all ways Clint!!
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abbey wrote: If it was'nt for the showmen reporters we would'nt get the news as it happens,
You cant have it all ways Clint!!
I don't agree. They could bring accurate stories and make a little less money.
You cant have it all ways Clint!!
I don't agree. They could bring accurate stories and make a little less money.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: So Clint , what part of the coverage to you think they got wrong ?
Just a few:
They practially sounded the all clear when the initial blow was over.
They showed some broken palm trees and made comments about it being a good thing it wasn't a cat 5.
They went out into the weather like it was something to be toyed with to dramatize there acts.
They localized their stories so no one knew the vastness of the problem.
Just a few:
They practially sounded the all clear when the initial blow was over.
They showed some broken palm trees and made comments about it being a good thing it wasn't a cat 5.
They went out into the weather like it was something to be toyed with to dramatize there acts.
They localized their stories so no one knew the vastness of the problem.
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Clint wrote: I don't agree. They could bring accurate stories and make a little less money.What part of the coverage was'nt accurate?
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Clint wrote: Just a few:
They practially sounded the all clear when the initial blow was over.
They showed some broken palm trees and made comments about it being a good thing it wasn't a cat 5.
They went out into the weather like it was something to be toyed with to dramatize there acts.
They localized their stories so no one knew the vastness of the problem.Surely NO-ONE knew just how massive Katrina was??
They practially sounded the all clear when the initial blow was over.
They showed some broken palm trees and made comments about it being a good thing it wasn't a cat 5.
They went out into the weather like it was something to be toyed with to dramatize there acts.
They localized their stories so no one knew the vastness of the problem.Surely NO-ONE knew just how massive Katrina was??
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Thats like saying the plumber could do a better job fixing your bathroom but make less money doing so. Thats a bit patronising . I'm sure you are worth every cent your boss pays you , so why should you do your job for less ?
I'm saying they could report accurate news without all the hype and it wouldn't cost them as much. Do reporters really deserve movie star status?
I'm saying they could report accurate news without all the hype and it wouldn't cost them as much. Do reporters really deserve movie star status?
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abbey wrote: Surely NO-ONE knew just how massive Katrina was??
And in order to be first with the story the news media pretended they knew.
And in order to be first with the story the news media pretended they knew.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: So you change channels and get the news off all the others , Fox, CNN, SKY, BBC the list is endless. They werent all saying the same thing
Pretty close. I did that and they were "all" putting on a show when they really didn't know much.
Pretty close. I did that and they were "all" putting on a show when they really didn't know much.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: Come on Clint , if they do get movie star status ( and I dont know any that achieve those dizzy heights) then it is the viewers that afford them that status
Their viewers and the "professional" culture they operate in. They have lost touch with reality. They editorialize, dramatize and inflate the news because it is a show with ratings.
Their viewers and the "professional" culture they operate in. They have lost touch with reality. They editorialize, dramatize and inflate the news because it is a show with ratings.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: OK I'll grant you that . Sometimes we have to sift through the trough. By and large though we often have a tendency to hear what we want to hear, we are all guilty of that, maybe even the reporters themselves at times. If I was reporting live from the center of the storm and the winds died away, I would probably say 3 hail mary's and give my viewers the impression that I was glad it was all over without aseconds thought.( my version would have to many expletives for general viewing ) Human nature I'd say.
Okay, if this is the standard for professionalism then it's time to quit complaining about the job public servants did. Just human mistakes...oh well.
Okay, if this is the standard for professionalism then it's time to quit complaining about the job public servants did. Just human mistakes...oh well.
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ArnoldLayne wrote: What, your devoid of mistakes and human nature ? I think not !
Good point. With that in mind maybe the news media should wait until the FACTS are known before they start blaming.
Good point. With that in mind maybe the news media should wait until the FACTS are known before they start blaming.
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flopstock wrote: Whoa to Hang on Here!! Let's shoot the Messenger?
I'm sure I'm just making excuses because I work for a newspaper
but news reports i saw where they were switching to reporters on the scene..almost always started with a 'here's what we know or think we know right now' and 'according to so and so'. news agencies didn't have to 'blame' anyone to avoid taking responcibility. They love trying to find someone to blame all the time.
And the 'non events' of the past only become 'non events' when compared to this. A year ago those nonevents were pretty scary. There were few things that compared to them.
But, even setting this aside...the news media was reporting on this for days before any solid action really started in the rescue effort.
I know you are a bleeding heart conservative clint..but come on, what's next? We gonna hear how this is bill clintons fault?;)
If the messenger isn't accurate in delivering the message then, yes... the messenger should pay the price. The news media never seems to have to pay the price though.
The events that didn't compare to this one were hyped to the point that this one wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been early on.
The news media went out of control many years ago and it has just been getting worse. They are focused on maintaining the complex rather than accuracy.
What in the world does my being conservative have to do with the news media's accuracy or lack thereof?
I'm sure I'm just making excuses because I work for a newspaper
but news reports i saw where they were switching to reporters on the scene..almost always started with a 'here's what we know or think we know right now' and 'according to so and so'. news agencies didn't have to 'blame' anyone to avoid taking responcibility. They love trying to find someone to blame all the time.And the 'non events' of the past only become 'non events' when compared to this. A year ago those nonevents were pretty scary. There were few things that compared to them.
But, even setting this aside...the news media was reporting on this for days before any solid action really started in the rescue effort.
I know you are a bleeding heart conservative clint..but come on, what's next? We gonna hear how this is bill clintons fault?;)
If the messenger isn't accurate in delivering the message then, yes... the messenger should pay the price. The news media never seems to have to pay the price though.
The events that didn't compare to this one were hyped to the point that this one wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been early on.
The news media went out of control many years ago and it has just been getting worse. They are focused on maintaining the complex rather than accuracy.
What in the world does my being conservative have to do with the news media's accuracy or lack thereof?
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The news media is supposed to have the job of holding government accountable. They have been an integral part of the freedom we have. They should hold themselves to the same level of accountability they hold government to but they simply don’t.
Million dollar a month reporters criticize government officials for making over $100K a year. They play fast and loose with the facts while they point out insignificant misspeaking by government officials. They break the law to get a story about a government official who allegedly broke the law. They fabricate stories (It happened to me personally) and then report that a government official lied (not me).
They are out of control. The fact is that when it comes to them, there is no control. There isn’t anyone to rein them in except them.
The freedom we have is being squandered by the news media (along with others). It isn’t a left or right issue. I don’t care who they are reporting on or what they are reporting on. I don’t believe them anymore and neither do many of the people who watch, read, or listen to them.
Million dollar a month reporters criticize government officials for making over $100K a year. They play fast and loose with the facts while they point out insignificant misspeaking by government officials. They break the law to get a story about a government official who allegedly broke the law. They fabricate stories (It happened to me personally) and then report that a government official lied (not me).
They are out of control. The fact is that when it comes to them, there is no control. There isn’t anyone to rein them in except them.
The freedom we have is being squandered by the news media (along with others). It isn’t a left or right issue. I don’t care who they are reporting on or what they are reporting on. I don’t believe them anymore and neither do many of the people who watch, read, or listen to them.
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Flopstock,
You should know something about me. I was asked once to run against a Democrat for the State Legislature. I told the people who were willing to put up the money that I thought they guy they wanted me to run against was a good man, doing a good job and I didn’t see any reason to replace him. I declined their offer on that basis.
When it comes to Hillary, I will point out her inconsistencies and lack of bearing every time a get a chance. I don’t believe she is who she pretends to be. She has been reinventing herself for a run at the presidency and I find that frightening. She stepped up early and loudly, asking for an investigation, as anyone who is politically motivated would. The Speaker of the House announced just a little while ago that there would be an investigation. He did it in a low key, official way. Everyone knew there would be an investigation. There is always an investigation after something big like this.
If President Bush did something criminal then let his head roll. If Brown was incompetent, and I suspect he may have been, then his head should roll also. The problem is that the news media has drifted so far away from focusing on accurate reporting that until the investigation is complete, we don't even have a clue. They (the news media) will likely lose the facts while trying to tell the story when the results of the investigation are reported.
I don’t know if the Mayor of N.O. is a Democrat or not. He is the mayor of a southern city so the chances are more in favor of him being a Republican. My concern about him is that he had an important role in being prepared and dealing with the disaster. There is always plenty of blame to pass around during something like this. Instead of doing the best possible job at being Mayor he went off on everybody else and their response. He’s no Rudy Julianne.
I know the media is populated with people who have a liberal bent. That isn’t my point. I don’t see their reporting on this event as left or right. I just think it can’t be trusted because news isn’t news anymore. News has become a show that has to have entertainment value in order to make money. It isn’t a profession made up of people trained to report facts. It is a profession made up of people who other people find pleasing to watch while they tell an entertaining story.
I have used the word “they†in context in this thread. There isn’t any doubt about who I was referring to when I used it.
I cited specifics earlier. The media may not have said the levy wasn’t going to break but they didn’t say it was going to either, which proves they were no better at predicting what was going to happen than the people they have been criticizing.
I was all but yelling at the TV when Geraldo and those guys were whipping the emotions up against the people who were trying to help. I looked around then and it wasn't just them. Reporters were over the line everywhere you looked. Their actions were very irresponsible but they will probably get some kind of an award for heart felt reporting.
You should know something about me. I was asked once to run against a Democrat for the State Legislature. I told the people who were willing to put up the money that I thought they guy they wanted me to run against was a good man, doing a good job and I didn’t see any reason to replace him. I declined their offer on that basis.
When it comes to Hillary, I will point out her inconsistencies and lack of bearing every time a get a chance. I don’t believe she is who she pretends to be. She has been reinventing herself for a run at the presidency and I find that frightening. She stepped up early and loudly, asking for an investigation, as anyone who is politically motivated would. The Speaker of the House announced just a little while ago that there would be an investigation. He did it in a low key, official way. Everyone knew there would be an investigation. There is always an investigation after something big like this.
If President Bush did something criminal then let his head roll. If Brown was incompetent, and I suspect he may have been, then his head should roll also. The problem is that the news media has drifted so far away from focusing on accurate reporting that until the investigation is complete, we don't even have a clue. They (the news media) will likely lose the facts while trying to tell the story when the results of the investigation are reported.
I don’t know if the Mayor of N.O. is a Democrat or not. He is the mayor of a southern city so the chances are more in favor of him being a Republican. My concern about him is that he had an important role in being prepared and dealing with the disaster. There is always plenty of blame to pass around during something like this. Instead of doing the best possible job at being Mayor he went off on everybody else and their response. He’s no Rudy Julianne.
I know the media is populated with people who have a liberal bent. That isn’t my point. I don’t see their reporting on this event as left or right. I just think it can’t be trusted because news isn’t news anymore. News has become a show that has to have entertainment value in order to make money. It isn’t a profession made up of people trained to report facts. It is a profession made up of people who other people find pleasing to watch while they tell an entertaining story.
I have used the word “they†in context in this thread. There isn’t any doubt about who I was referring to when I used it.
I cited specifics earlier. The media may not have said the levy wasn’t going to break but they didn’t say it was going to either, which proves they were no better at predicting what was going to happen than the people they have been criticizing.
I was all but yelling at the TV when Geraldo and those guys were whipping the emotions up against the people who were trying to help. I looked around then and it wasn't just them. Reporters were over the line everywhere you looked. Their actions were very irresponsible but they will probably get some kind of an award for heart felt reporting.
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The media does like to play up weather stories. At least in my neck of the woods. They always show some jerk in a slicker standing on a beach going on about how windy it is and how dangerous the conditions are. I always think "if conditions are so horrible why are they outside with their electronic equipment?" (I work for a media production company---we'd NEVER take the equipment out in that kind of weather! Do you KNOW how expensive those cameras are????)
It's a little like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. When there actually is something huge coming our way it can be hard to decipher it from the usual overblown reporting. It's very easy to assume that they're just going on about nothing.
Last month we were innundated with stories about Ohio flooding. Ohio was GOING to flood. There would be rain on the horizon and oh no! Stay indoors because it's gonna flood, by golly! Of course it barely drizzled. I would go so far as to say at one point we had a draught.
Still, I think we have a few indicators. For example, the radar screen. Blue/green means light rain. Red/yellow means high wind and high precipitation volume. You can turn the volume off and look at the radar and pretty much tell what's going on. Also the internet is often more accurate when it comes to weather forecasting than the news is. http://www.weatherunderground.com is extremely well done.
So yes, the news media can be a bunch of blowhards. They love drama. But we have to be responsible for filtering through the crap. Because no, you can't believe everything you see on T.V. and even if it's "news" there are still ratings to worry about. We need to develop a discerning ear and know when to roll our eyes and when to rush out and buy plywood. And bleach. (Why DOES everyone go and buy bleach?)
It's a little like the Boy Who Cried Wolf. When there actually is something huge coming our way it can be hard to decipher it from the usual overblown reporting. It's very easy to assume that they're just going on about nothing.
Last month we were innundated with stories about Ohio flooding. Ohio was GOING to flood. There would be rain on the horizon and oh no! Stay indoors because it's gonna flood, by golly! Of course it barely drizzled. I would go so far as to say at one point we had a draught.
Still, I think we have a few indicators. For example, the radar screen. Blue/green means light rain. Red/yellow means high wind and high precipitation volume. You can turn the volume off and look at the radar and pretty much tell what's going on. Also the internet is often more accurate when it comes to weather forecasting than the news is. http://www.weatherunderground.com is extremely well done.
So yes, the news media can be a bunch of blowhards. They love drama. But we have to be responsible for filtering through the crap. Because no, you can't believe everything you see on T.V. and even if it's "news" there are still ratings to worry about. We need to develop a discerning ear and know when to roll our eyes and when to rush out and buy plywood. And bleach. (Why DOES everyone go and buy bleach?)
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flopstock wrote: hah! and yet you were watching geraldo. that's why these guys are out there clint. It gives me great pleasure to be able to say 'I don't watch these guys, so don't blame me'
Busted...ya got me... I watched...I'm ashamed.
The fact is, I get most of my news off the net.
I apologize for including the reporters you described. I know that there are a lot of good reporters who don't make much money. I know some of them. Sadly, they are not the driving force in shaping public opinion.
I used to be on an advisory board for a relatively small paper. I got a real education doing that and ended up not doing it as long as I would have liked to. When you say they work hard I know what you mean. They love what they do and they pour their hearts into it.
Busted...ya got me... I watched...I'm ashamed.
The fact is, I get most of my news off the net.
I apologize for including the reporters you described. I know that there are a lot of good reporters who don't make much money. I know some of them. Sadly, they are not the driving force in shaping public opinion.
I used to be on an advisory board for a relatively small paper. I got a real education doing that and ended up not doing it as long as I would have liked to. When you say they work hard I know what you mean. They love what they do and they pour their hearts into it.
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Has anyone thought that maybe because of the huge amount of blatant sinning going on in that area that perhaps the Lord had a hand in this whole thing to bring our attention back to Him ?
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Skeeter wrote: Has anyone thought that maybe because of the huge amount of blatant sinning going on in that area that perhaps the Lord had a hand in this whole thing to bring our attention back to Him ?
:yh_rotfl
That's some great sarcasm, Skeeter! Come 'ere, so I can slap you on the back. Forgive me if I miss and hit your groin. My eyes aren't what they used to be.
You use those same lungs to praise a merciful God, do ya?
:yh_rotfl
That's some great sarcasm, Skeeter! Come 'ere, so I can slap you on the back. Forgive me if I miss and hit your groin. My eyes aren't what they used to be.
You use those same lungs to praise a merciful God, do ya?
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i was waiting for the sodom and gomorrah contingency.
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Accountable wrote: :yh_rotfl
That's some great sarcasm, Skeeter! Come 'ere, so I can slap you on the back. Forgive me if I miss and hit your groin. My eyes aren't what they used to be.
You use those same lungs to praise a merciful God, do ya?
Well Mr. Accountable, you sure must have enjoyed your cute reply. I'm not laughing.
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
BTW, Skeeter is my mother. I now ask you to think about the mercy you have shown along with how appropriate you self indulgence was.
That's some great sarcasm, Skeeter! Come 'ere, so I can slap you on the back. Forgive me if I miss and hit your groin. My eyes aren't what they used to be.
You use those same lungs to praise a merciful God, do ya?
Well Mr. Accountable, you sure must have enjoyed your cute reply. I'm not laughing.
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
BTW, Skeeter is my mother. I now ask you to think about the mercy you have shown along with how appropriate you self indulgence was.
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Clint wrote:
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
Do people believe that the south is really more "sinful" than the rest of our country---than the rest of our world?
Also, if we're going to be biblical, what about the story of Noah's Ark and the covenant. Didn't God promise not to destroy by flood? Wasn't that the story behind the rainbow?
Personally I can't believe the wrath theory. I can think of a few other citites that would have been wiped out first.
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
Do people believe that the south is really more "sinful" than the rest of our country---than the rest of our world?
Also, if we're going to be biblical, what about the story of Noah's Ark and the covenant. Didn't God promise not to destroy by flood? Wasn't that the story behind the rainbow?
Personally I can't believe the wrath theory. I can think of a few other citites that would have been wiped out first.
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flopstock wrote: Well, I for one am glad you posted this clint, I had no idea. And would have been offering up apologies for the next month based on what my reply would have been. I don't think accountable or anyone else in here would intentionally slam either you or your mother. You are too respected. I imagine his reaction was to the post not the poster, if you get what i mean.
And I'll pass on my responce, out of that respect.:-6
Well, the respect is mutual then. Thank you.
I get what you mean. Accountable is a great guy who stepped over the line on this one just like we all do from time to time. I expect to be checked when I step over and I'm thinking he does too.
I can imagine what you might have said.
And I'll pass on my responce, out of that respect.:-6
Well, the respect is mutual then. Thank you.
I get what you mean. Accountable is a great guy who stepped over the line on this one just like we all do from time to time. I expect to be checked when I step over and I'm thinking he does too.
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actionfigurestepho wrote: Do people believe that the south is really more "sinful" than the rest of our country---than the rest of our world?
Also, if we're going to be biblical, what about the story of Noah's Ark and the covenant. Didn't God promise not to destroy by flood? Wasn't that the story behind the rainbow?
Personally I can't believe the wrath theory. I can think of a few other citites that would have been wiped out first.
As I said, I think this is a topic worth discussing so I started a new thread.:-6
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8856
Also, if we're going to be biblical, what about the story of Noah's Ark and the covenant. Didn't God promise not to destroy by flood? Wasn't that the story behind the rainbow?
Personally I can't believe the wrath theory. I can think of a few other citites that would have been wiped out first.
As I said, I think this is a topic worth discussing so I started a new thread.:-6
http://www.forumgarden.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8856
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Clint wrote: Well Mr. Accountable, you sure must have enjoyed your cute reply. I'm not laughing.
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
BTW, Skeeter is my mother. I now ask you to think about the mercy you have shown along with how appropriate you self indulgence was.
Skeeter, I have only the utmost respect for your son. Guys like that don't happen in a vacuum. I congratulate you on doing a great Mom job.
Please forgive my crass remarks. They were uncalled for.
My vehement objection to the message of your post stands.
The only problem with putting forth the question Skeeter put forth was that it was off the thread’s subject some. The question is one that deserves discussion. You will find that there are a lot of people who believe that God’s hand was in what happened. If you open yourself up to the discussion, you may learn something.
BTW, Skeeter is my mother. I now ask you to think about the mercy you have shown along with how appropriate you self indulgence was.
Skeeter, I have only the utmost respect for your son. Guys like that don't happen in a vacuum. I congratulate you on doing a great Mom job.
Please forgive my crass remarks. They were uncalled for.
My vehement objection to the message of your post stands.
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I respect him also...he is one great guy...but not just because I did a good Mom job but because God had a job for him to do and he is making me proud...as far as apologising...don't bother, I have a thick skin and have been disagreed with more than you can imagine..when you believe something strong enough then the opposition doesn't matter.
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Skeeter wrote: I respect him also...he is one great guy...but not just because I did a good Mom job but because God had a job for him to do and he is making me proud...as far as apologising...don't bother, I have a thick skin and have been disagreed with more than you can imagine..when you believe something strong enough then the opposition doesn't matter.
The apology wasn't for disagreeing. I can't imagine a situation in which I'll apologize for my opinion.
The apology was for my conduct, which you didn't deserve.
The apology wasn't for disagreeing. I can't imagine a situation in which I'll apologize for my opinion.
The apology was for my conduct, which you didn't deserve.
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apology accepted and I apologize for being "snippy"....but then, hey...when you get as old as I you can get "snippy" too.
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Thanks, I'll drop your name when it happens. :wah: