oscar;1225035 wrote: Can I jus share one of my life's moments with you Nomie?
Im listening.
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Nomad;1225037 wrote: Im listening.
Monster !!!
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Monster !!!
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spot;1224721 wrote: I'm trying to steer you back to reality here. I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" in any news report and I doubt whether you have either. He killed those dogs which were no longer commercially productive to him, so do grayhound owners who race them. It's what animal owners do who use animals industrially. Go and buy some horsemeat sausages and you'll see what I mean. Meanwhile you might reflect on the difference between that and your examples of sadists who start their psychopathic careers with torturing defenceless animals. They're entirely different things.
I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured"
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
Michael Vick's "Rape Stand"And other equipment used in dogfights.
By Michelle TsaiPosted Friday, July 20, 2007, at 5:46 PM ET
A federal grand jury indicted Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick on Tuesday, charging him with taking part in a dogfighting operation. When police raided his rural property in Virginia in April, they discovered dozens of pit bull terriers. They also found a "rape stand," a pry bar, treadmills, and a fight pit, all of which authorities said pointed to the illicit sport. What is this equipment?
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Legitimate dog training tools for the most part, but ones that come in handy for turning pit bulls into vicious fighters. Pooches die so often in fights that owners always need new dogs. This is where the rape stand, also called a breeding stand, comes in. It consists of two steel poles mounted to the ends of a platform that's often made of wood. U-shaped pieces of curved metal sit atop each pole; one goes around the belly of a female pit bull and the other around her neck. The stand isn't illegal, but dog breeders don't normally use it; after all, female dogs in heat aren't so particular. And most people wouldn't want to breed poorly socialized dogs that must be strapped down to mate. But breeders of attack dogs place special value on females that are so mean they might bite any male dogs that get too close. People find these stands online or through an underground dogfighting magazine, or they make their own.
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Daniel Engber wondered if gamecocks could be rehabilitated. Emily Yoffe tried out the Dog Whisperer's techniques on her sociopathic beagle. Clara Jeffery investigated the case of the prejudiced pit bull, while Bruce Reed helped conservatives take comfort in being better off than the pit bull movement.
Authorities also discovered performance-enhancing drugs on the property, and one news report suggested Vick regularly purchased syringes. Dogfighters might inject their dogs with stimulants before a fight. Afterward, they might give antibiotics to prevent infection, or a steroid like dexamethasone to reduce pain and swelling and help rebuild torn muscles. Legitimate breeders and kennel owners might also have syringes, for administering vaccines or medicine.
I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured"
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
Michael Vick's "Rape Stand"And other equipment used in dogfights.
By Michelle TsaiPosted Friday, July 20, 2007, at 5:46 PM ET
A federal grand jury indicted Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick on Tuesday, charging him with taking part in a dogfighting operation. When police raided his rural property in Virginia in April, they discovered dozens of pit bull terriers. They also found a "rape stand," a pry bar, treadmills, and a fight pit, all of which authorities said pointed to the illicit sport. What is this equipment?
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Legitimate dog training tools for the most part, but ones that come in handy for turning pit bulls into vicious fighters. Pooches die so often in fights that owners always need new dogs. This is where the rape stand, also called a breeding stand, comes in. It consists of two steel poles mounted to the ends of a platform that's often made of wood. U-shaped pieces of curved metal sit atop each pole; one goes around the belly of a female pit bull and the other around her neck. The stand isn't illegal, but dog breeders don't normally use it; after all, female dogs in heat aren't so particular. And most people wouldn't want to breed poorly socialized dogs that must be strapped down to mate. But breeders of attack dogs place special value on females that are so mean they might bite any male dogs that get too close. People find these stands online or through an underground dogfighting magazine, or they make their own.
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Daniel Engber wondered if gamecocks could be rehabilitated. Emily Yoffe tried out the Dog Whisperer's techniques on her sociopathic beagle. Clara Jeffery investigated the case of the prejudiced pit bull, while Bruce Reed helped conservatives take comfort in being better off than the pit bull movement.
Authorities also discovered performance-enhancing drugs on the property, and one news report suggested Vick regularly purchased syringes. Dogfighters might inject their dogs with stimulants before a fight. Afterward, they might give antibiotics to prevent infection, or a steroid like dexamethasone to reduce pain and swelling and help rebuild torn muscles. Legitimate breeders and kennel owners might also have syringes, for administering vaccines or medicine.
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Odie;1225111 wrote: I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured"
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.
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Odie;1225111 wrote: I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured"
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured. Perhaps you should read the words rather than extrapolate through your extensive prejudices.
perhaps....this will change your mind.......IF he had of cared about the dogs.....
.....his dogs would have never suffered the cruelty they did.
I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured. Perhaps you should read the words rather than extrapolate through your extensive prejudices.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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spot;1225179 wrote: I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured. Perhaps you should read the words rather than extrapolate through your extensive prejudices. True but unfortunately there are the people out there who do enjoy seeing the animals suffer and he is profiting from their enjoyment. If some-one wants a bet, there are casino's, horse-racing, Greyhound racing, slot machines etc. Who wants to see two animals torn to pieces?
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oscar;1225187 wrote: True but unfortunately there are the people out there who do enjoy seeing the animals suffer and he is profiting from their enjoyment. If some-one wants a bet, there are casino's, horse-racing, Greyhound racing, slot machines etc. Who wants to see two animals torn to pieces?
And that indicates "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" how, exactly? What logical process takes you from A to B and gets you to C? Or are we back with amorphous feelings instead of logic yet again?
And that indicates "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" how, exactly? What logical process takes you from A to B and gets you to C? Or are we back with amorphous feelings instead of logic yet again?
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spot;1225253 wrote: And that indicates "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" how, exactly? What logical process takes you from A to B and gets you to C? Or are we back with amorphous feelings instead of logic yet again?
I can't speak for Odie but as I said in an earlier post, I can not offer logic or reason because I am speaking from human nature of some-thing that I personally find abhorant. The man obviousley had no scruples about profiting from another species pain.
I can't speak for Odie but as I said in an earlier post, I can not offer logic or reason because I am speaking from human nature of some-thing that I personally find abhorant. The man obviousley had no scruples about profiting from another species pain.
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oscar;1225118 wrote: Official Pit Bull Site of Diane Jessup
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there is no reason for anyone to treat any dog like this!:mad:
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oscar;1225261 wrote: I can't speak for Odie but as I said in an earlier post, I can not offer logic or reason because I am speaking from human nature of some-thing that I personally find abhorant. The man obviousley had no scruples about profiting from another species pain.
You're entirely correct that Mr Vick had no scruples about profiting from another species pain. He went to jail for it because what he did was illegal. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" which is what I've contested throughout. Stop continually changing the goalposts. There are many circumstances in which I'd not scruple to profit from another species pain either but I'd make quite sure I stayed within the law and I'd feel no enjoyment from seeing the animals distressed and injured. Most of the animal farming industry profits from another species pain, I've never contended they enjoyed inflicting it.
You're entirely correct that Mr Vick had no scruples about profiting from another species pain. He went to jail for it because what he did was illegal. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" which is what I've contested throughout. Stop continually changing the goalposts. There are many circumstances in which I'd not scruple to profit from another species pain either but I'd make quite sure I stayed within the law and I'd feel no enjoyment from seeing the animals distressed and injured. Most of the animal farming industry profits from another species pain, I've never contended they enjoyed inflicting it.
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Odie;1225266 wrote: there is no reason for anyone to treat any dog like this!:mad:
Pitt Bulls are on the dangerous dogs list in this country and pups are seized if found.
Pitt Bulls are on the dangerous dogs list in this country and pups are seized if found.
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oscar;1225269 wrote: Pitt Bulls are on the dangerous dogs list in this country and pups are seized if found.
they are illegal here.
just some pit bull's.
as there are many breeds of them.
but that won't stop people from having them.:-5:-5
they are illegal here.
just some pit bull's.
as there are many breeds of them.
but that won't stop people from having them.:-5:-5
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Nomad;1225030 wrote: You mean the way you adapt to the way I speak my mind?
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw.
Nomad, your telling me to go fk myself was my last straw for you. I live among Indians and have for over 33 years. I think I know of which I speak. Did you ask me why I held the opinion I offered back then? Or did you just jump down my throat as is your modus operandi?
Not only that but you have absolutely no idea where my compassion lies because you're all about jumping my frame as soon as I appear here rather than making any attempt at comprehension.
If we can't discuss your OP as adults without tearing each other up, then I have no more time for you.
The problem is YOURS, Nomad.
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw.
Nomad, your telling me to go fk myself was my last straw for you. I live among Indians and have for over 33 years. I think I know of which I speak. Did you ask me why I held the opinion I offered back then? Or did you just jump down my throat as is your modus operandi?
Not only that but you have absolutely no idea where my compassion lies because you're all about jumping my frame as soon as I appear here rather than making any attempt at comprehension.
If we can't discuss your OP as adults without tearing each other up, then I have no more time for you.
The problem is YOURS, Nomad.
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spot;1225267 wrote: You're entirely correct that Mr Vick had no scruples about profiting from another species pain. He went to jail for it because what he did was illegal. It has absolutely nothing at all to do with "the enjoyment he obviously got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" which is what I've contested throughout. Stop continually changing the goalposts. There are many circumstances in which I'd not scruple to profit from another species pain either but I'd make quite sure I stayed within the law and I'd feel no enjoyment from seeing the animals distressed and injured. Most of the animal farming industry profits from another species pain, I've never contended they enjoyed inflicting it. Me? Change goal posts??? Never !!! :rolleyes: Glad to hear it Spot.. I always knew you were a cuddly bear all along. 
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spot;1225178 wrote: I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint that he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.
Dogs are a sad pollutant within the planets life?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.
Dogs are a sad pollutant within the planets life?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.
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spot;1225178 wrote: I never claimed he cared about dogs. I'm sure he didn't, he quite likely still doesn't. Neither do I as far as the domesticated breeds are concerned, they're a sad pollutant within the planet's life. There's nothing in the article to even hint th he got enjoyment out of seeing the animals distressed and injured.
'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'
ahah, now this explains how you really feel.
shame really.
'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'
ahah, now this explains how you really feel.
shame really.
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Nomad;1225418 wrote: Dogs are a sad pollutant within the planets life?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.Odie;1225428 wrote: 'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'
ahah, now this explains how you really feel.
shame really.It's all down to genetic diversity really. Domesticated animals are not genetically diverse - quite the opposite - and their spread has crimped the environment available for wild animals which are.
Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.
Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.
These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?
Dogs are a great source of love and comfort for people. Theyre loyal, smart, obedient and protective. All they require in return is kindness and love.Odie;1225428 wrote: 'a sad pollutant within the planet's life?'
ahah, now this explains how you really feel.
shame really.It's all down to genetic diversity really. Domesticated animals are not genetically diverse - quite the opposite - and their spread has crimped the environment available for wild animals which are.
Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.
Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.
These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?
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spot;1225480 wrote: It's all down to genetic diversity really. Domesticated animals are not genetically diverse - quite the opposite - and their spread has crimped the environment available for wild animals which are.
Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.
Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.
These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?
After considering your statement and then coming across this abomination Im inclined to agree.
Destroy them !
Of course some breeds of dog are loyal, smart, obedient and protective, Nomad. That's been a part of their breeding program, dogs which didn't measure up were ruthlessly culled out of the breed line by the breeders. Some others are ruthless berserk killers for the same reason. The "pollutant" comment is that no wild strain of dog (or cat, or whatever domesticated animal we pick on) is safe from these perverse man-made genetic traits being transferred back into the wild line.
Either life is treated as human property or it's respected in its own terms. I'd rather it were respected. Pet animals have no place in any respectable genetic pool on this planet. That's why I'd have them destroyed, to stop the destruction of resources which properly ought to belong to wildlife.
These parasites have latched onto the normally healthy human parental response and mimicked juvenile behaviours to generate a biological niche in human society. It demeans both human and pet to respond to it. The outrage aimed at Mr Vick stems from his refusal to respond to this inter-species blackmail in favour of making a profit at the animals' expense. How does this discussion benefit from entering the mythical realm of "he enjoyed the pain and suffering"?
After considering your statement and then coming across this abomination Im inclined to agree.
Destroy them !
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