Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
Has He Paid His Debt ?
Has He Paid His Debt ?
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"Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy had visited Vick while he was in prison and has agreed to continue to be his mentor and advisor.
Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change.
Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "
Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?
Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change.
Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "
Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?
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I hope he does become a role model for "Positive Change" It is needed in the NFL it is up to him. He is the only one who can make this happen he will be watched by many an as he attempts to regain his status and the right to play in the NFL.
Lets hope he truly understands what happened and will change.
Lets hope he truly understands what happened and will change.
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"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, champagne in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming.
WOO HOO!!, what a ride!!!"
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He gave up allot and rightly so. Hes had some long days and long nights to consider his actions and their consequences.
Tony Dungy is the right man to mentor him, I imagine positive things coming from those conversations.
Legally his debt has been rendered.
Men commit atrocious acts but men also redeem themselves.
As far as Im concerned its a blank slate for Vick and hope he uses the opportunity to effect good in his life and community even if he never plays again.
Tony Dungy is the right man to mentor him, I imagine positive things coming from those conversations.
Legally his debt has been rendered.
Men commit atrocious acts but men also redeem themselves.
As far as Im concerned its a blank slate for Vick and hope he uses the opportunity to effect good in his life and community even if he never plays again.
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along-for-the-ride;1224001 wrote: "Former Indianapolis Colts head coach Tony Dungy had visited Vick while he was in prison and has agreed to continue to be his mentor and advisor.
Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change.
Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "
Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?
How much is a dog's life worth? If the law says so much jail time and he served his time, you have no beef unless he does it again.
Vick released a statement through his agent, Joel Segal, expressing gratitude to Goodell for allowing him to be reinstated and went on to say that he understood that playing in the NFL was a “privilege, not a right, and he welcomes the opportunity to “become an example of positive change.
Vick was suspended indefinitely in August 2007 after he plead guilty to his role in a dogfighting operation at his Virginia home. He spent 18 months in jail and released from federal custody on July 20th. He will still serve three years of probation. "
Yes.........this is all well and good. But does Michael Vicks "get it". That cruelty to animals is wrong?
How much is a dog's life worth? If the law says so much jail time and he served his time, you have no beef unless he does it again.
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Let's see...if he'd harmed and killed other living feeling beings, such as children, what would we say?
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, and should be forced to work a regular job, not return to a fat contract and undeserved celebrity.
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, and should be forced to work a regular job, not return to a fat contract and undeserved celebrity.
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The maximum penalty was 10 years he served 18 months.. thats laughable or at least it would be if his crime were not so dispicable.
If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.
A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.
If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.
A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.
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[quote=RedGlitter;1224016]Let's see...if he'd harmed and killed other living feeling beings, such as children, what would we say?
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, quote]
Now how could you possibly know this ?
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, quote]
Now how could you possibly know this ?
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Victoria;1224034 wrote: The maximum penalty was 10 years he served 18 months.. thats laughable or at least it would be if his crime were not so dispicable.
If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.
A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.
How do you equate a dog's worth to that of a child? Leave children out of the question.
If he had put children through this kind of torture he would be lucky to ever see the light of day let alone be out after 18 mths but then many will say 'its just a dog'
never seeing that this was just the tip of the iceberg.. God knows what horrors this 'man' (monster) is capable of..
Would I let my children pay to see someone like this? I wouldnt p1ss on him if he was on fire. All the time children see their role models exhibit this kind of behaviour and get off lightly they cannot be expected to know its wrong and anyone who pays to watch him or buys anything that he endorses adds to the problem because by not condemming it you condone it.
A fitting punishment?? putting him in a room with his victims..ie the dogs, let them have 5 minutes with their torturer.
How do you equate a dog's worth to that of a child? Leave children out of the question.
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Nomad;1223998 wrote: Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
Isn't the question rather whether he's more likely to re-offend in this regard when compared to the average American? Either he's learned his lesson and been rehabilitated or he hasn't and isn't. The alternative is to say everyone convicted of a crime has lost some portion of his civil rights permanently - by all means, if you want to arrange things so, then arrange them so, it's an arguable position to adopt. It's what Sir Thomas More advocated in Utopia, for example. It's not what the existing legal system is designed for, though I note that disenfranchisement has been tacked onto the US legal framework in recent years as a start toward the permanent criminalisation of convicts.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
Isn't the question rather whether he's more likely to re-offend in this regard when compared to the average American? Either he's learned his lesson and been rehabilitated or he hasn't and isn't. The alternative is to say everyone convicted of a crime has lost some portion of his civil rights permanently - by all means, if you want to arrange things so, then arrange them so, it's an arguable position to adopt. It's what Sir Thomas More advocated in Utopia, for example. It's not what the existing legal system is designed for, though I note that disenfranchisement has been tacked onto the US legal framework in recent years as a start toward the permanent criminalisation of convicts.
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spot;1224078 wrote: Isn't the question rather whether he's more likely to re-offend in this regard when compared to the average American? Either he's learned his lesson and been rehabilitated or he hasn't and isn't. The alternative is to say everyone convicted of a crime has lost some portion of his civil rights permanently - by all means, if you want to arrange things so, then arrange them so, it's an arguable position to adopt. It's what Sir Thomas More advocated in Utopia, for example. It's not what the existing legal system is designed for, though I note that disenfranchisement has been tacked onto the US legal framework in recent years as a start toward the permanent criminalisation of convicts.
What ? :wah:
The questions I asked are the questions I was interested in hearing the answers to.
What ? :wah:
The questions I asked are the questions I was interested in hearing the answers to.
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Sorry.
If he can raise the dead dogs back to life and I'll consider a clean slate.
If he had unknowingly harmed, that's one thing. This guy was brutalizing for entertainment and profit....
oh wait.. football...
nope... these guys still get to choose whether to put their necks on the line.. no clean slate and no I don't want him living next to me. It's the guys who do this to animals that end up with human body parts in their fridge later in life ya know....
If he can raise the dead dogs back to life and I'll consider a clean slate.
If he had unknowingly harmed, that's one thing. This guy was brutalizing for entertainment and profit....
oh wait.. football...
nope... these guys still get to choose whether to put their necks on the line.. no clean slate and no I don't want him living next to me. It's the guys who do this to animals that end up with human body parts in their fridge later in life ya know....
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Nomad;1224142 wrote: What ? :wah:
The questions I asked are the questions I was interested in hearing the answers to.
About paying a debt to society? That's scarcely legal terminology, that's more a matter for religion. Some posters here fail to recognise any concept of the forgiveness of repented sin, absolution, washing clean in the blood of the Lamb or anything resembling it but that's the only sense in which repaying a debt to society resides. Criminal sentencing relates more to the rehabilitation of the offender with a defined termination to the sentence. Continuing that punishment for life isn't what the judge handed down.
The questions I asked are the questions I was interested in hearing the answers to.
About paying a debt to society? That's scarcely legal terminology, that's more a matter for religion. Some posters here fail to recognise any concept of the forgiveness of repented sin, absolution, washing clean in the blood of the Lamb or anything resembling it but that's the only sense in which repaying a debt to society resides. Criminal sentencing relates more to the rehabilitation of the offender with a defined termination to the sentence. Continuing that punishment for life isn't what the judge handed down.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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Nomad;1223998 wrote: Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
after housing 50 pit bulls in unbearable conditions and having them killed off while fighting?
no!..........he should not be allowed back into fame and fortune.
and 18 months sentence was just not enough.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
after housing 50 pit bulls in unbearable conditions and having them killed off while fighting?
no!..........he should not be allowed back into fame and fortune.
and 18 months sentence was just not enough.
Life is just to short for drama.
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hoppy;1224064 wrote: How do you equate a dog's worth to that of a child? Leave children out of the question.
Because the dog just as a child is at the mercy of the owner/parent they have no voice.
And because frankly I prefer dogs!
Because the dog just as a child is at the mercy of the owner/parent they have no voice.
And because frankly I prefer dogs!
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Nomad;1224037 wrote: [quote=RedGlitter;1224016]Let's see...if he'd harmed and killed other living feeling beings, such as children, what would we say?
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, quote]
Now how could you possibly know this ?
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Hoppy, no I won't leave kids or other humans out of it.
A helpless child feels pain and bleeds if cut, well so does a helpless dog. It is society's job to protect its defenseless from harm and allowing this thug to retrieve any semblance of his previous fame and fortune is only saying "it was just an animal. Not worth much. You paid your debt." Your reaction Hoppy, to my bringing kids into it illustrates my point. Tell me if I am wrong but I am quite sure that if Vick had molested or murdered a child, you would want his head on a platter and rightfully so. I doubt many people would be claiming he paid his debt. Some things cannot be paid for because they are priceless to begin with.
Society is judged by how it treats its poor and defenseless. Allowing Vick even a fraction of his career equals acceptance. Acceptance of what he did. It should never happen.
No, in my opinion he will never atone for what he did, he is not remotely remorseful, quote]
Now how could you possibly know this ?
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Hoppy, no I won't leave kids or other humans out of it.
A helpless child feels pain and bleeds if cut, well so does a helpless dog. It is society's job to protect its defenseless from harm and allowing this thug to retrieve any semblance of his previous fame and fortune is only saying "it was just an animal. Not worth much. You paid your debt." Your reaction Hoppy, to my bringing kids into it illustrates my point. Tell me if I am wrong but I am quite sure that if Vick had molested or murdered a child, you would want his head on a platter and rightfully so. I doubt many people would be claiming he paid his debt. Some things cannot be paid for because they are priceless to begin with.
Society is judged by how it treats its poor and defenseless. Allowing Vick even a fraction of his career equals acceptance. Acceptance of what he did. It should never happen.
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I believe that he should never be able to own another animal for the rest of his life. And.. if he was found to be involved in this activity again, he should serve a much longer sentence.
I hate anyone who uses animals to fight for the enjoyment and entertainment of others. Its disgraceful.
Get them in a ring and they can fight each other, see how much that hurts.
I hate anyone who uses animals to fight for the enjoyment and entertainment of others. Its disgraceful.
Get them in a ring and they can fight each other, see how much that hurts.
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spot;1224192 wrote: About paying a debt to society? That's scarcely legal terminology, that's more a matter for religion. Some posters here fail to recognise any concept of the forgiveness of repented sin, absolution, washing clean in the blood of the Lamb or anything resembling it but that's the only sense in which repaying a debt to society resides. Criminal sentencing relates more to the rehabilitation of the offender with a defined termination to the sentence. Continuing that punishment for life isn't what the judge handed down.
Sentencing has nothing to do with rehabilitation. Absolutely its a debt.
Red G
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Actions ? Hes been out of prison for 2 minutes. I havent exactly been keeping tabs on him though, have you ?
Forgiveness....its a powerful thing. Try it some time.
Sentencing has nothing to do with rehabilitation. Absolutely its a debt.
Red G
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Actions ? Hes been out of prison for 2 minutes. I havent exactly been keeping tabs on him though, have you ?
Forgiveness....its a powerful thing. Try it some time.
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Nomad;1223998 wrote: Michael Vick has been released from prison for his crimes of cruelty to animals.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
If he's "done his time", then by definition he must have. If there's concern that the time was not enough, then society must change the system for future offenders.
Nomad;1223998 wrote: Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
Difficult. If he's much in the public eye, then... hmm. What of the regulators of his career?
Nomad;1223998 wrote: If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
I don't know what the NFL is, but I assume it's some sort of sporting thing. Personally, I might not welcome him to "my team", whatever that might be.
Has he payed his debt to society ?
If he's "done his time", then by definition he must have. If there's concern that the time was not enough, then society must change the system for future offenders.
Nomad;1223998 wrote: Is he allowed to continue his life and career free from his past or should his transgressions follow him ?
Difficult. If he's much in the public eye, then... hmm. What of the regulators of his career?
Nomad;1223998 wrote: If youre an NFL fan would you welcome him to your team ?
I don't know what the NFL is, but I assume it's some sort of sporting thing. Personally, I might not welcome him to "my team", whatever that might be.
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Bill Sikes;1224368 wrote: If he's "done his time", then by definition he must have. If there's concern that the time was not enough, then society must change the system for future offenders.
Difficult. If he's much in the public eye, then... hmm. What of the regulators of his career?
I don't know what the NFL is, but I assume it's some sort of sporting thing. Personally, I might not welcome him to "my team", whatever that might be.
Fair enough !
Difficult. If he's much in the public eye, then... hmm. What of the regulators of his career?
I don't know what the NFL is, but I assume it's some sort of sporting thing. Personally, I might not welcome him to "my team", whatever that might be.
Fair enough !
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Forgiveness....its a powerful thing. Try it some time.
-Nomad
Did you not want our opinions after all, Nomad?
We're not obligated to forgive him for his atrocities. Like the song says "God may but i won't, God may but i don't, and that's the difference between God and me."
No, I'm not trying to make this a religious thing but my point is who is anyone to say we should forgive this POS? We don't have to and I don't feel we should. We owe his sorry self nothing except to rub his nose in his own mess every chance we get.
-Nomad
Did you not want our opinions after all, Nomad?
We're not obligated to forgive him for his atrocities. Like the song says "God may but i won't, God may but i don't, and that's the difference between God and me."
No, I'm not trying to make this a religious thing but my point is who is anyone to say we should forgive this POS? We don't have to and I don't feel we should. We owe his sorry self nothing except to rub his nose in his own mess every chance we get.
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RedGlitter;1224317 wrote: [quote=Nomad;1224037]
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Hoppy, no I won't leave kids or other humans out of it.
A helpless child feels pain and bleeds if cut, well so does a helpless dog. It is society's job to protect its defenseless from harm and allowing this thug to retrieve any semblance of his previous fame and fortune is only saying "it was just an animal. Not worth much. You paid your debt." Your reaction Hoppy, to my bringing kids into it illustrates my point. Tell me if I am wrong but I am quite sure that if Vick had molested or murdered a child, you would want his head on a platter and rightfully so. I doubt many people would be claiming he paid his debt. Some things cannot be paid for because they are priceless to begin with.
Society is judged by how it treats its poor and defenseless. Allowing Vick even a fraction of his career equals acceptance. Acceptance of what he did. It should never happen.
Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.
Easy. Actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen any sign of regret for what he did other than the expected regret that he screwed up his career. Does he seem remorseful to you? It's a judgement call. And because he wronged society, society has the right to judge. It is society's responsibility to ostracize its offenders, whether they be thieves, rapists, drunk drivers or people who torture and kill dogs.
Hoppy, no I won't leave kids or other humans out of it.
A helpless child feels pain and bleeds if cut, well so does a helpless dog. It is society's job to protect its defenseless from harm and allowing this thug to retrieve any semblance of his previous fame and fortune is only saying "it was just an animal. Not worth much. You paid your debt." Your reaction Hoppy, to my bringing kids into it illustrates my point. Tell me if I am wrong but I am quite sure that if Vick had molested or murdered a child, you would want his head on a platter and rightfully so. I doubt many people would be claiming he paid his debt. Some things cannot be paid for because they are priceless to begin with.
Society is judged by how it treats its poor and defenseless. Allowing Vick even a fraction of his career equals acceptance. Acceptance of what he did. It should never happen.
Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.
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hoppy;1224394 wrote: [QUOTE=RedGlitter;1224317]
Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.
I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.
Yes, leave children out of it. If he did that to children, the law would most likely see that he was out of circulation a long time, if not forever. He served his sentence as it applies to animals. You are trying to justify hanging the guy by suggesting a dog and a child are somehow equal.
You people seem incapable of distinguishing between animal life and human life, as far as worth goes. You are the scary ones here. I don't suggest animal abuse is ok, nor do I idolize and worship critters. Some of you seem to and that is the scary part. YOU need help as much or perhaps far more, than Mike Vic.
I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.
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RedGlitter;1224406 wrote: [QUOTE=hoppy;1224394]
I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.
Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.
I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Get over it Hoppy. I made my point and I feel the same way I did the last time we had this convo. And apparently so do you. So now that we've established that, let's leave the bickering BS and the accusatory "You People" out of it. As far as I know, I didn't insult you and you've no business insulting me either. Let's leave it at that.
Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.
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Nommie, I want to say, OK he served his time let him get back to life and succeed in life in any way he is capable. My problem is that he just seems to be a thug for lack of a better word.
Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.
Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.
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YZGI;1224493 wrote: Nommie, I want to say, OK he served his time let him get back to life and succeed in life in any way he is capable. My problem is that he just seems to be a thug for lack of a better word.
Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.
it should be that no team wants him now.
Nope don't put him on the Cowboys we've had enough thugs and egocentric players of the late.
it should be that no team wants him now.
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RedGlitter;1224406 wrote: I see FG still sucks as much as it did before. And I still see why.
Hi RG. I hope you are well.
Hi RG. I hope you are well.
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hoppy;1224411 wrote: [quote=RedGlitter;1224406]
Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.
Well if it helps, I feel insulted the other way around. So we understand each other. But it would be cool if we could smooth our hackles back down and discuss the subject. Neither of us is too likely to change so maybe we could just accept that...?
Sorry but as a human being, I always feel insulted when a human child is compared to a critter in an attempt to somehow equalize the two.
Well if it helps, I feel insulted the other way around. So we understand each other. But it would be cool if we could smooth our hackles back down and discuss the subject. Neither of us is too likely to change so maybe we could just accept that...?
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Bill Sikes;1224520 wrote: Hi RG. I hope you are well.
Hi Bill! Thank you, I am doing pretty good at the moment and I hope you are too. It's nice to see you again. :-6
Hi Bill! Thank you, I am doing pretty good at the moment and I hope you are too. It's nice to see you again. :-6
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Ok leave kids out of it ... but this guy is a sports star someone kids will look up to, idolise, try to be like, emulate...
Take a look at the video .. this is what this man does for FUN.. to earn a bit of extra money remember its not one pet dog he abused or beat its dozens of dogs he allowed to suffer.
Then tell me its ok
Tell me you think its ok for your kids to want to be like this man
that its ok for them to view this man as a role model.
Thats its ok for us to cheer for him...
Watch it
know what he does,
its not just dogs having a bit of a scrap... understand it, he gets enjoyment from seeing two living creatures rip each other to shreds,
He earns money from a 'sport' that will use bait dogs ie. dogs who have had thier mouth taped shut before being put in the ring and are defensless when they are ripped apart.
He is someone who would not seek vets help if a dog were injured but instead would leave it to bleed to death or if he was merciful might shoot it.
Watch the video and if after watching it you honestly still cannot see the reason why he needed to be dealt with more severley then I give up.
If we cannot defend thoses who cannot defend themselves then we have no humanity left in us.
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Take a look at the video .. this is what this man does for FUN.. to earn a bit of extra money remember its not one pet dog he abused or beat its dozens of dogs he allowed to suffer.
Then tell me its ok
Tell me you think its ok for your kids to want to be like this man
that its ok for them to view this man as a role model.
Thats its ok for us to cheer for him...
Watch it
know what he does,
its not just dogs having a bit of a scrap... understand it, he gets enjoyment from seeing two living creatures rip each other to shreds,
He earns money from a 'sport' that will use bait dogs ie. dogs who have had thier mouth taped shut before being put in the ring and are defensless when they are ripped apart.
He is someone who would not seek vets help if a dog were injured but instead would leave it to bleed to death or if he was merciful might shoot it.
Watch the video and if after watching it you honestly still cannot see the reason why he needed to be dealt with more severley then I give up.
If we cannot defend thoses who cannot defend themselves then we have no humanity left in us.
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Should have strung him up. If people if that's what you call this piece of scum, can't show kindness to the most defenceless of species, what else will they go onto? What other acts of cruelness do they have? These pieces of scum pick on defenceless animals because they are wankers of the highest order and would not take on another human being who could fight back.
Sick bastard.
Sick bastard.
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oscar;1224608 wrote: Should have strung him up. If people if that's what you call this piece of scum, can't show kindness to the most defenceless of species, what else will they go onto? What other acts of cruelness do they have? These pieces of scum pick on defenceless animals because they are wankers of the highest order and would not take on another human being who could fight back.
Sick bastard.
Absolutely! Because have you ever once heard of someone who admits they treated animals badly who was otherwise someone you'd want to do more then run from? I haven't. and every frickin time you hear about the latest nut-job it comes out that they tortured animals somewhere along the way..
oh and wet the bed... but that doesn't count because who amongst us...:yh_whistl:yh_whistl:o
:D
Sick bastard.
Absolutely! Because have you ever once heard of someone who admits they treated animals badly who was otherwise someone you'd want to do more then run from? I haven't. and every frickin time you hear about the latest nut-job it comes out that they tortured animals somewhere along the way..
oh and wet the bed... but that doesn't count because who amongst us...:yh_whistl:yh_whistl:o
:D
I expressly forbid the use of any of my posts anywhere outside of FG (with the exception of the incredibly witty 'get a room already' )posted recently.
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
Folks who'd like to copy my intellectual work should expect to pay me for it.:-6
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Victoria;1224598 wrote: If we cannot defend thoses who cannot defend themselves then we have no humanity left in us.
oscar;1224608 wrote: If people if that's what you call this piece of scum, can't show kindness to the most defenceless of species, what else will they go onto? What other acts of cruelness do they have? These pieces of scum pick on defenceless animals because they are wankers of the highest order and would not take on another human being who could fight back.
The core of the truth is bedded into these responses, though the defenceless animals aren't a species as such. The obscenity is that they're bred for human use, they're domesticated pets. They have no business being alive in the first place. Wild animals, fine, by all means use the law to protect their interests. The only answer to domesticated pet animals is extermination, root and branch. The destruction they cause to the environment is extraordinarily high, the dilution of the wild genetic pool of their ancestral wild cousins swamps what's left of the species. They're destructive parasites leeching off humanity.
oscar;1224608 wrote: If people if that's what you call this piece of scum, can't show kindness to the most defenceless of species, what else will they go onto? What other acts of cruelness do they have? These pieces of scum pick on defenceless animals because they are wankers of the highest order and would not take on another human being who could fight back.
The core of the truth is bedded into these responses, though the defenceless animals aren't a species as such. The obscenity is that they're bred for human use, they're domesticated pets. They have no business being alive in the first place. Wild animals, fine, by all means use the law to protect their interests. The only answer to domesticated pet animals is extermination, root and branch. The destruction they cause to the environment is extraordinarily high, the dilution of the wild genetic pool of their ancestral wild cousins swamps what's left of the species. They're destructive parasites leeching off humanity.
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spot;1224629 wrote: The core of the truth is bedded into these responses, though the defenceless animals aren't a species as such. The obscenity is that they're bred for human use, they're domesticated pets. They have no business being alive in the first place. Wild animals, fine, by all means use the law to protect their interests. The only answer to domesticated pet animals is extermination, root and branch. The destruction they cause to the environment is extraordinarily high, the dilution of the wild genetic pool of their ancestral wild cousins swamps what's left of the species. They're destructive parasites leeching off humanity.
Why spot, I'm starting to like you more and more. Might even put you on my Christmas card list.
Why spot, I'm starting to like you more and more. Might even put you on my Christmas card list.
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Wow, spot - I'd hide now!
I don't quite share your loathing of all domesticated animals, but people who claim they love animals and keep cats irritate me because of the amount of killing those cats do. It has been very noticeable round here as the number of cats has gone down, the number of wild birds has risen (I believe the number of cats has gone down because the foxes eat them!)
Wow, spot - I'd hide now!
I don't quite share your loathing of all domesticated animals, but people who claim they love animals and keep cats irritate me because of the amount of killing those cats do. It has been very noticeable round here as the number of cats has gone down, the number of wild birds has risen (I believe the number of cats has gone down because the foxes eat them!)
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Clodhopper;1224648 wrote: people who claim they love animals and keep cats irritate me because of the amount of killing those cats do.
"Oh, but it's in their *nature*!". So it is, in a most revolting way. Buy a shot-gun.
"Oh, but it's in their *nature*!". So it is, in a most revolting way. Buy a shot-gun.
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RedGlitter;1224568 wrote: Hi Bill! Thank you, I am doing pretty good at the moment and I hope you are too. It's nice to see you again. : -6
And thank you, too. I have noticed a couple of posts here and there from you. Jolly good. Keep it up!
And thank you, too. I have noticed a couple of posts here and there from you. Jolly good. Keep it up!
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flopstock;1224624 wrote: Absolutely! Because have you ever once heard of someone who admits they treated animals badly who was otherwise someone you'd want to do more then run from? I haven't. and every frickin time you hear about the latest nut-job it comes out that they tortured animals somewhere along the way..
oh and wet the bed... but that doesn't count because who amongst us...:yh_whistl:yh_whistl:o
:D Without googling stats again as we've been here before with these threads, there is a link between folk who torture animals who go on to more revolting crimes against humans. We get a lot of very good documentarys here from the US.... The FBI files etc and some of the real sicko's i've seen did start by torturing animals. We have had a case very recently all over the British press called 'Baby P'. A two year old baby who was tortured to death systematically by his stepfather and lodger. The Court heard that both had a nature of torturing animals prior. I'm not saying that all murderers have tortured animals prior but it is an indication of a sadistic nature that could later be used on humans even children.
oh and wet the bed... but that doesn't count because who amongst us...:yh_whistl:yh_whistl:o
:D Without googling stats again as we've been here before with these threads, there is a link between folk who torture animals who go on to more revolting crimes against humans. We get a lot of very good documentarys here from the US.... The FBI files etc and some of the real sicko's i've seen did start by torturing animals. We have had a case very recently all over the British press called 'Baby P'. A two year old baby who was tortured to death systematically by his stepfather and lodger. The Court heard that both had a nature of torturing animals prior. I'm not saying that all murderers have tortured animals prior but it is an indication of a sadistic nature that could later be used on humans even children.
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oscar;1224698 wrote: Without googling stats again as we've been here before with these threads, there is a link between folk who torture animals who go on to more revolting crimes against humans. We get a lot of very good documentarys here from the US.... The FBI files etc and some of the real sicko's i've seen did start by torturing animals. We have had a case very recently all over the British press called 'Baby P'. A two year old baby who was tortured to death systematically by his stepfather and lodger. The Court heard that both had a nature of torturing animals prior. I'm not saying that all murderers have tortured animals prior but it is an indication of a sadistic nature that could later be used on humans even children.
I really can't see why you're trying to associate Mt Vick with torturing animals. What he and anyone else involved in baiting did involves gambling, it's a lucrative illegal enterprise. The dogs were treated as property, the actions were illegal, nobody tortured anything.
I really can't see why you're trying to associate Mt Vick with torturing animals. What he and anyone else involved in baiting did involves gambling, it's a lucrative illegal enterprise. The dogs were treated as property, the actions were illegal, nobody tortured anything.
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spot;1224706 wrote: I really can't see why you're trying to associate Mt Vick with torturing animals. What he and anyone else involved in baiting did involves gambling, it's a lucrative illegal enterprise. The dogs were treated as property, the actions were illegal, nobody tortured anything. I can't offer much argument to be fair Spot other than the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured. I am an animal rights activist and campaigner as you know. It hurts me to see animals abused in any circumstances but that's me........ we are all different.
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oscar;1224711 wrote: I can't offer much argument to be fair Spot other than the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured. I am an animal rights activist and campaigner as you know. It hurts me to see animals abused in any circumstances but that's me........ we are all different.
I'm trying to steer you back to reality here. I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" in any news report and I doubt whether you have either. He killed those dogs which were no longer commercially productive to him, so do grayhound owners who race them. It's what animal owners do who use animals industrially. Go and buy some horsemeat sausages and you'll see what I mean. Meanwhile you might reflect on the difference between that and your examples of sadists who start their psychopathic careers with torturing defenceless animals. They're entirely different things.
I'm trying to steer you back to reality here. I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" in any news report and I doubt whether you have either. He killed those dogs which were no longer commercially productive to him, so do grayhound owners who race them. It's what animal owners do who use animals industrially. Go and buy some horsemeat sausages and you'll see what I mean. Meanwhile you might reflect on the difference between that and your examples of sadists who start their psychopathic careers with torturing defenceless animals. They're entirely different things.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
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spot;1224721 wrote: I'm trying to steer you back to reality here. I've seen nothing to show "the enjoyment he obviousley got out of seeing the animals distressed and injured" in any news report and I doubt whether you have either. He killed those dogs which were no longer commercially productive to him, so do grayhound owners who race them. It's what animal owners do who use animals industrially. Go and buy some horsemeat sausages and you'll see what I mean. Meanwhile you might reflect on the difference between that and your examples of sadists who start their psychopathic careers with torturing defenceless animals. They're entirely different things. As i said Spot, i don't have much of an arguement. One was merely exposing one's umbrage in an earlier post.
Yes, you are correct about Greyhounds (spelt with an E ), race-horses nad the like. The difference is there is a wealth of charities that now take commercially viable animals when they pass their sell by date. Many still do get destroyed, yes but there is a lot of work that goes into retirement homes for them. Even when they are alive, they are not pitted against each other to cause distress and injury.
Yes, you are correct about Greyhounds (spelt with an E ), race-horses nad the like. The difference is there is a wealth of charities that now take commercially viable animals when they pass their sell by date. Many still do get destroyed, yes but there is a lot of work that goes into retirement homes for them. Even when they are alive, they are not pitted against each other to cause distress and injury.
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oscar;1224728 wrote: As i said Spot, i don't have much of an arguement. One was merely exposing one's umbrage in an earlier post.Umbrage is only effectively expressed if it sticks to the facts. I know you know it but the site would make far better reading if people tried to live up to it.
People have a strange notion that I post to either shock or annoy. What they fail to grasp is that I generally stick to what I consider important and express my hard-earned opinion. It's often an uphill task. It would be impossible if what I posted weren't supported by a verifiable background of real events.
People have a strange notion that I post to either shock or annoy. What they fail to grasp is that I generally stick to what I consider important and express my hard-earned opinion. It's often an uphill task. It would be impossible if what I posted weren't supported by a verifiable background of real events.
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spot;1224738 wrote: Umbrage is only effectively expressed if it sticks to the facts. I know you know it but the site would make far better reading if people tried to live up to it.
People have a strange notion that I post to either shock or annoy. What they fail to grasp is that I generally stick to what I consider important and express my hard-earned opinion. It's often an uphill task. It would be impossible if what I posted weren't supported by a verifiable background of real events. I agree with you Spot but I don't believe that some things are down to pure facts and figures. I could link you many sites into the shocking injuries inflicted on dogs pitted against each other. I could link many sites to show you how this country has toughened up on regs involving Greyhounds and race-horses to reduce un-warrented waste after their careers but the links would be useless when i am talking about my own human emotions here. That is, i find two animals being pitted against each other where serious injury and shock and distress being the ultimate scenario, utterly repulsive, the same as i see the sport of boxing.
People have a strange notion that I post to either shock or annoy. What they fail to grasp is that I generally stick to what I consider important and express my hard-earned opinion. It's often an uphill task. It would be impossible if what I posted weren't supported by a verifiable background of real events. I agree with you Spot but I don't believe that some things are down to pure facts and figures. I could link you many sites into the shocking injuries inflicted on dogs pitted against each other. I could link many sites to show you how this country has toughened up on regs involving Greyhounds and race-horses to reduce un-warrented waste after their careers but the links would be useless when i am talking about my own human emotions here. That is, i find two animals being pitted against each other where serious injury and shock and distress being the ultimate scenario, utterly repulsive, the same as i see the sport of boxing.
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oscar;1224743 wrote: I agree with you Spot but I don't believe that some things are down to pure facts and figures. I could link you many sites into the shocking injuries inflicted on dogs pitted against each other. I could link many sites to show you how this country has toughened up on regs involving Greyhounds and race-horses to reduce un-warrented waste after their careers but the links would be useless when i am talking about my own human emotions here. That is, i find two animals being pitted against each other where serious injury and shock and distress being the ultimate scenario, utterly repulsive, the same as i see the sport of boxing.
I don't condone dog fighting in the slightest, nor any other form of baiting. I also noted that it was illegal. I haven't quite got round to saying that banning it is shockingly hypocritical in any society which allows hunting as a recreation. Alex Glasgow's rather acerbic lyrics echo the same point...In England's green and pleasant land
There's sport for Kings and Queens,
Where Lords and Ladies understand
What sensibility means.
They hunt the hare, the fox, the grouse
And ride the stag to bay,
And afterwards they pay their dues
To the RSPCA.
I don't condone dog fighting in the slightest, nor any other form of baiting. I also noted that it was illegal. I haven't quite got round to saying that banning it is shockingly hypocritical in any society which allows hunting as a recreation. Alex Glasgow's rather acerbic lyrics echo the same point...In England's green and pleasant land
There's sport for Kings and Queens,
Where Lords and Ladies understand
What sensibility means.
They hunt the hare, the fox, the grouse
And ride the stag to bay,
And afterwards they pay their dues
To the RSPCA.
Nullius in verba ... ☎||||||||||| ... To Fate I sue, of other means bereft, the only refuge for the wretched left.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
When flower power came along I stood for Human Rights, marched around for peace and freedom, had some nooky every night - we took it serious.
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spot;1224758 wrote: I don't condone dog fighting in the slightest, nor any other form of baiting. I also noted that it was illegal. I haven't quite got round to saying that banning it is shockingly hypocritical in any society which allows hunting as a recreation. Alex Glasgow's rather acerbic lyrics echo the same point...In England's green and pleasant land
There's sport for Kings and Queens,
Where Lords and Ladies understand
What sensibility means.
They hunt the hare, the fox, the grouse
And ride the stag to bay,
And afterwards they pay their dues
To the RSPCA.
I've never seen that before Spot..... It's wonderful and I shall remember it.
There's sport for Kings and Queens,
Where Lords and Ladies understand
What sensibility means.
They hunt the hare, the fox, the grouse
And ride the stag to bay,
And afterwards they pay their dues
To the RSPCA.
I've never seen that before Spot..... It's wonderful and I shall remember it.
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RedGlitter;1224383 wrote: -Nomad
Did you not want our opinions after all, Nomad?
We're not obligated to forgive him for his atrocities. Like the song says "God may but i won't, God may but i don't, and that's the difference between God and me."
No, I'm not trying to make this a religious thing but my point is who is anyone to say we should forgive this POS? We don't have to and I don't feel we should. We owe his sorry self nothing except to rub his nose in his own mess every chance we get.
Yes I asked for opinions. Your opinions are as valid as anyone elses.
But....your opinions are usually brash and harsh. You really go out on a limb so you invite like responses.
You seem to lack human compassion. Thats what pissed me off last time around.
You as are we all imperfect human beings, each in our own way.
You make it difficult to relate to you on a human level because of your extreme and overly critical views.
Because of that aspect of your personality its an overwhelming task to get behind you on your cause.
You seem hell bent on crucifying people for their sins, yet you yourself are a sinner. We all need forgiveness. Even dog killers.
Did you not want our opinions after all, Nomad?
We're not obligated to forgive him for his atrocities. Like the song says "God may but i won't, God may but i don't, and that's the difference between God and me."
No, I'm not trying to make this a religious thing but my point is who is anyone to say we should forgive this POS? We don't have to and I don't feel we should. We owe his sorry self nothing except to rub his nose in his own mess every chance we get.
Yes I asked for opinions. Your opinions are as valid as anyone elses.
But....your opinions are usually brash and harsh. You really go out on a limb so you invite like responses.
You seem to lack human compassion. Thats what pissed me off last time around.
You as are we all imperfect human beings, each in our own way.
You make it difficult to relate to you on a human level because of your extreme and overly critical views.
Because of that aspect of your personality its an overwhelming task to get behind you on your cause.
You seem hell bent on crucifying people for their sins, yet you yourself are a sinner. We all need forgiveness. Even dog killers.
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RedGlitter
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Nomad;1224909 wrote: Yes I asked for opinions. Your opinions are as valid as anyone elses.
But....your opinions are usually brash and harsh. You really go out on a limb so you invite like responses.
You seem to lack human compassion. Thats what pissed me off last time around.
You as are we all imperfect human beings, each in our own way.
You make it difficult to relate to you on a human level because of your extreme and overly critical views.
Because of that aspect of your personality its an overwhelming task to get behind you on your cause.
You seem hell bent on crucifying people for their sins, yet you yourself are a sinner. We all need forgiveness. Even dog killers.
Nomad, put away your self righteous flagellation for a while. I am not a sinner. I do not believe in sin. I am imperfect certainly but the fact that you can't adapt well to the way I speak my mind does not warrant or validate those nasty things you just wrote about me. My views are neither extreme nor overly critical. They are my views and I have never been afraid to stand behind what i say or believe. I cannot help but notice the others who express same or similar views to mine, go unaddressed by you. Dog killers and baby killers and much other trash, do not need or require or deserve our forgiveness.
And no, what pissed you off last time around was not my (according to you) lack of compassion and you know that. In fact you still owe me an apology but that is not for here. If you care to discuss that or iron out why we stopped being kind to each other when we got along well before, I still have a PM box available to you and will answer any messages.
Now if you want to forgive, you go right ahead and do as you see fit. But don't be so self righteous as to preach to others what THEY need to do. Or better yet...how about neither one of us has to like or agree with the other's views and neither do we have to be insulting about it. We can just roll our eyes and let it slide if that's the best we can do. People do it all the time. That is my offer.
But....your opinions are usually brash and harsh. You really go out on a limb so you invite like responses.
You seem to lack human compassion. Thats what pissed me off last time around.
You as are we all imperfect human beings, each in our own way.
You make it difficult to relate to you on a human level because of your extreme and overly critical views.
Because of that aspect of your personality its an overwhelming task to get behind you on your cause.
You seem hell bent on crucifying people for their sins, yet you yourself are a sinner. We all need forgiveness. Even dog killers.
Nomad, put away your self righteous flagellation for a while. I am not a sinner. I do not believe in sin. I am imperfect certainly but the fact that you can't adapt well to the way I speak my mind does not warrant or validate those nasty things you just wrote about me. My views are neither extreme nor overly critical. They are my views and I have never been afraid to stand behind what i say or believe. I cannot help but notice the others who express same or similar views to mine, go unaddressed by you. Dog killers and baby killers and much other trash, do not need or require or deserve our forgiveness.
And no, what pissed you off last time around was not my (according to you) lack of compassion and you know that. In fact you still owe me an apology but that is not for here. If you care to discuss that or iron out why we stopped being kind to each other when we got along well before, I still have a PM box available to you and will answer any messages.
Now if you want to forgive, you go right ahead and do as you see fit. But don't be so self righteous as to preach to others what THEY need to do. Or better yet...how about neither one of us has to like or agree with the other's views and neither do we have to be insulting about it. We can just roll our eyes and let it slide if that's the best we can do. People do it all the time. That is my offer.
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RedGlitter;1224932 wrote: Nomad, put away your self righteous flagellation for a while. I am not a sinner. I do not believe in sin. I am imperfect certainly but the fact that you can't adapt well to the way I speak my mind does not warrant or validate those nasty things you just wrote about me.
You mean the way you adapt to the way I speak my mind?
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw.
You mean the way you adapt to the way I speak my mind?
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw.
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Nomad;1225030 wrote: You mean the way you adapt to the way I speak my mind?
You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw. Can I jus share one of my life's moments with you Nomie? Sorry to side-track briefly. What would you expect to find whilst trecking through the very green English countryside? Cattle? Dog walkers? Yes, plenty of those.
A few weeks ago, Mr Bubbles aka Peter Lake and I went to bait some Barbel fish in a river in the heart of the countryside just outside the city of Bath. Completely surrounded by fields and rolling hills, we came across a ' Cree Indian' sitting in a field carving an enormous block of wood into a lion. He was in full traditional costume and we chatted for 2 hours while he told us how he came to be living rough in England selling his carvings. We were enthralled as he told us his family ancestry. He spied a Buzzard feather I was holding and offered me a swop but I gave it to him. We promised to return to visit him and listen some more.
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You are harsh and Ive never witnessed you display compassion for anything but animals.
Your coldness towards people is a nasty trait thus the frank response.
On a footnote it was your lack of compassion for American Indians (theyre people) that was the last straw. Can I jus share one of my life's moments with you Nomie? Sorry to side-track briefly. What would you expect to find whilst trecking through the very green English countryside? Cattle? Dog walkers? Yes, plenty of those.
A few weeks ago, Mr Bubbles aka Peter Lake and I went to bait some Barbel fish in a river in the heart of the countryside just outside the city of Bath. Completely surrounded by fields and rolling hills, we came across a ' Cree Indian' sitting in a field carving an enormous block of wood into a lion. He was in full traditional costume and we chatted for 2 hours while he told us how he came to be living rough in England selling his carvings. We were enthralled as he told us his family ancestry. He spied a Buzzard feather I was holding and offered me a swop but I gave it to him. We promised to return to visit him and listen some more.
Back to topic now
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