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"Christmas" is one of the biggest holidays celebrated in the USA. Is it cebrated in other countires around the world, and or is it even a holiday at all? 
Cars 
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New Year has always been a bigger holiday in Scotland, a time to renew family ties and start things afresh. I used to work it London, it was really alien as nobody got excited about new year everything centred on Christmas.
from the Oxford English dictionary
saturnalia // n. (pl. same or saturnalias)
1 (usu. Saturnalia) Rom.Hist. the festival of Saturn in December, characterized by unrestrained merrymaking for all, the predecessor of Christmas.
2 (treated as sing. or pl.) a scene of wild revelry or tumult; an orgy.
saturnalian adj.
[Latin, neut. pl. of Saturnalis (as Saturn)]
The pagan festival that was hijacked by christians used to be a wild festival o celebrate the return of the sun and the days getting longer. They would slaughter the last of the animals and have a wild party. Decorating the christmas tree used to be a German custom imported to this country by the hanoverians. The po faced christians couldn't stop the party so took it over, just like they did easter and the fertility rites.
from the Oxford English dictionary
saturnalia // n. (pl. same or saturnalias)
1 (usu. Saturnalia) Rom.Hist. the festival of Saturn in December, characterized by unrestrained merrymaking for all, the predecessor of Christmas.
2 (treated as sing. or pl.) a scene of wild revelry or tumult; an orgy.
saturnalian adj.
[Latin, neut. pl. of Saturnalis (as Saturn)]
The pagan festival that was hijacked by christians used to be a wild festival o celebrate the return of the sun and the days getting longer. They would slaughter the last of the animals and have a wild party. Decorating the christmas tree used to be a German custom imported to this country by the hanoverians. The po faced christians couldn't stop the party so took it over, just like they did easter and the fertility rites.
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capt_buzzard
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Agree on that.
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Would you guys like a saucer of milk? your getting real catty/ Look what you say may be all true. So what? people are celebrating the fountation of their beleif system. no matter what happened at the fountation of said holiday. can't you people ever allow others their joy without your petty bs? and would you be making your comments if the topic were a religion other than Christianity? I doubt it.
GOD CREATED MAN AND SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL
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Jack Sprat wrote: Of cause: I fight against organized religion, all and any, no matter where it may be found. Madalyn Murray O'Hair may be dead, but her teachings are far superior to anything I have ever seen in any organized religion.
BTW, I was originally an Asian Religion major and came from a fairly religious family (as did O'Hair). The more I studied their doctrines and histories the more I realized that organized religions existed to give power to the few, to control the actions of children, women, and the poor, and by elimination dissenting voices through force, ridicule, and banishment retain and expand their power over the minds of the people under their spells. I repeat from an earlier post: Faith is the ability to believe in what you know cannot possibly be true.
Why can't those who disagree with religious teachings have as much right to expression as those who have been inundated from birth with doctrine? Most religious people believe in a god only because they have never had the opportunity to question his/her/its existance without being verbally and physically battered.
BTW - I believe that religious holidays provide more reality to the people than the ritualistic preachings of churches.
Hey, if it works or doesn't work. No doubt Christ was not born on Dec. 25th and who cares! The worst thing about Christian feelings today is that you BE religious. I AM a Christian. I have chosen Christ, Jesus Christ as my PERSONAL SAVIOR, period and a report. I don't go to Church now...............I don't race into parking spaces at Christian parking lots, I HAVe a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I don NOT consider myself "religious" !
I ALSO think that people, who don't belive in Jesus Christ.......out of place. ...no way! I have a grandson who is a Jew. His mother, my daughter in law is a Jew, therefore , HE is! I'm thrilled.
I"ve never been battered by Christian's trying to make me one. I guess that sometime in my life I made that decision myself.
When you say "Faith is the ability to believe in what you know cannot possibly be true" you are only saying what you've learned from others. That is not true!
I am well educated, older than you, and I've found or let's say found year's ago what worked for me. I can understand how you feel, I really do. There are many
'religious" people who claim to be Christians...........or some other 'religion" that you can't figure out who's on 'first". Get what I mean? I just try my best to respect any religion. I'm not winning any lotter tickets on my choices but I think that's what my God would respect. Hey..............no one in the world told my how to go with my feelings or faith. Not my mother or father or the church. My God, is a God of Love . If the whole world LOVED one another, there would NEVER be another war. That's a huge concept!
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mama
BTW, I was originally an Asian Religion major and came from a fairly religious family (as did O'Hair). The more I studied their doctrines and histories the more I realized that organized religions existed to give power to the few, to control the actions of children, women, and the poor, and by elimination dissenting voices through force, ridicule, and banishment retain and expand their power over the minds of the people under their spells. I repeat from an earlier post: Faith is the ability to believe in what you know cannot possibly be true.
Why can't those who disagree with religious teachings have as much right to expression as those who have been inundated from birth with doctrine? Most religious people believe in a god only because they have never had the opportunity to question his/her/its existance without being verbally and physically battered.
BTW - I believe that religious holidays provide more reality to the people than the ritualistic preachings of churches.
Hey, if it works or doesn't work. No doubt Christ was not born on Dec. 25th and who cares! The worst thing about Christian feelings today is that you BE religious. I AM a Christian. I have chosen Christ, Jesus Christ as my PERSONAL SAVIOR, period and a report. I don't go to Church now...............I don't race into parking spaces at Christian parking lots, I HAVe a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I don NOT consider myself "religious" !
I ALSO think that people, who don't belive in Jesus Christ.......out of place. ...no way! I have a grandson who is a Jew. His mother, my daughter in law is a Jew, therefore , HE is! I'm thrilled.
I"ve never been battered by Christian's trying to make me one. I guess that sometime in my life I made that decision myself.
When you say "Faith is the ability to believe in what you know cannot possibly be true" you are only saying what you've learned from others. That is not true!
I am well educated, older than you, and I've found or let's say found year's ago what worked for me. I can understand how you feel, I really do. There are many
'religious" people who claim to be Christians...........or some other 'religion" that you can't figure out who's on 'first". Get what I mean? I just try my best to respect any religion. I'm not winning any lotter tickets on my choices but I think that's what my God would respect. Hey..............no one in the world told my how to go with my feelings or faith. Not my mother or father or the church. My God, is a God of Love . If the whole world LOVED one another, there would NEVER be another war. That's a huge concept!
xxxxxxxxxxxxooooooo
mama
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cars wrote: "Christmas" is one of the biggest holidays celebrated in the USA. Is it cebrated in other countires around the world, and or is it even a holiday at all?
Cars, I am surprised at that question. It's a bit like asking "can you buy beer in the rest of the world?". Did you really mean it as you asked, or am I mis-reading?
Cars, I am surprised at that question. It's a bit like asking "can you buy beer in the rest of the world?". Did you really mean it as you asked, or am I mis-reading?
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Jack Sprat wrote: That would be wonderful, if true. I respect you for your beliefs and your response.
It seems as if individual people have little difficulty getting along with other individuals, while groups of people involved in organized religions have started more wars and produced more hatred than any other cause. I can not recall the text, as my college days are 40 years ago, but as part of my comparative religion work I read that from the time of the Egyptian Old Kingdom through 1950 it was estimated that between 600 million to one billion people had been slaughtered in the name of one god or another. The Roman Catholic Church, collectively and through individual church’s actions around the world, certainty was responsible for a portion of that, with no apologies from them to date.
The above is correct. I absolutely agree
Is there not something warped that the followers of a man of peace have not ask their church leaders to renounce wars based on their religious beliefs? Is it not strange that some RC bishops and clergy in the US support the death penalty? Perhaps before any organized religion claims to have the answer to honest, peaceful, and "godly" living, it should clean up its own house.
Yes.........they should clean up their own house.
I will, never criticize you for believing in a god or that some person living long ago was god’s representative on Earth. Accepting prescribed religious tenants created by imperfect humans, including people who claim to KNOW that their interpretation of god's words (as written second hand 1,950 years ago) is unchallengeable, should be looked at skeptically by all rational people. When people in a religious organization do not ask the policy makers “Why?†then they are following blindly, not acting rationally as individuals.
I agree. Doing the above , questioning and then as you probably know a session on "Christian Apologetics" would ensue and you'd seldom find any two who would agree with each other.
I have never liked the word used so often in the Church......SIN!
That word never explain's in today's world that the word's 'human nature' would would work just as well, but the word SIN continues to ferment the image of guilt. Guilty if you do and guilty if you don't.........so many Christians Churches rely on this word SIN to keep their parish in their pews! The Catholic Church is a prime example or maybe I should say, the one that I know most about. I am not a Catholic nor do I belong to any organized religion,however I was raised a Presbyterian
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I may be wrong, absolutely, but I will not be lead or join any organization with the histories of our organized religions. Let he who is without sin lead us. Let he who has sinned step aside and let others lead. Let an organization that has sinned, clean up its problems, investigate its history, settle its depts to humanity before they tell me how to lead my life.
There ya go! I'm right with ya!
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mama
To lighten things up........
Three Religious Truths:(
1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian
faith.
3. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
If you don't live in the U.S. "Hooter's" is a strip Club and The Baptist's Church, particularly in the deep South or the Bible Belt, is an extemely conservative church. No dancing, no music outside of secular. Here is CA......the Baptist Church is entirely different! I like the Church here very much.
xxxxxxxooo
mama
It seems as if individual people have little difficulty getting along with other individuals, while groups of people involved in organized religions have started more wars and produced more hatred than any other cause. I can not recall the text, as my college days are 40 years ago, but as part of my comparative religion work I read that from the time of the Egyptian Old Kingdom through 1950 it was estimated that between 600 million to one billion people had been slaughtered in the name of one god or another. The Roman Catholic Church, collectively and through individual church’s actions around the world, certainty was responsible for a portion of that, with no apologies from them to date.
The above is correct. I absolutely agree
Is there not something warped that the followers of a man of peace have not ask their church leaders to renounce wars based on their religious beliefs? Is it not strange that some RC bishops and clergy in the US support the death penalty? Perhaps before any organized religion claims to have the answer to honest, peaceful, and "godly" living, it should clean up its own house.
Yes.........they should clean up their own house.
I will, never criticize you for believing in a god or that some person living long ago was god’s representative on Earth. Accepting prescribed religious tenants created by imperfect humans, including people who claim to KNOW that their interpretation of god's words (as written second hand 1,950 years ago) is unchallengeable, should be looked at skeptically by all rational people. When people in a religious organization do not ask the policy makers “Why?†then they are following blindly, not acting rationally as individuals.
I agree. Doing the above , questioning and then as you probably know a session on "Christian Apologetics" would ensue and you'd seldom find any two who would agree with each other.
I have never liked the word used so often in the Church......SIN!
That word never explain's in today's world that the word's 'human nature' would would work just as well, but the word SIN continues to ferment the image of guilt. Guilty if you do and guilty if you don't.........so many Christians Churches rely on this word SIN to keep their parish in their pews! The Catholic Church is a prime example or maybe I should say, the one that I know most about. I am not a Catholic nor do I belong to any organized religion,however I was raised a Presbyterian
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I may be wrong, absolutely, but I will not be lead or join any organization with the histories of our organized religions. Let he who is without sin lead us. Let he who has sinned step aside and let others lead. Let an organization that has sinned, clean up its problems, investigate its history, settle its depts to humanity before they tell me how to lead my life.
There ya go! I'm right with ya!
xxxxxxxxxooooo
mama
To lighten things up........
Three Religious Truths:(
1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian
faith.
3. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
If you don't live in the U.S. "Hooter's" is a strip Club and The Baptist's Church, particularly in the deep South or the Bible Belt, is an extemely conservative church. No dancing, no music outside of secular. Here is CA......the Baptist Church is entirely different! I like the Church here very much.
xxxxxxxooo
mama
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Wait a minute Mama.. Hooters is not a strip club along the lines of the Badabing.. they just serve cheap pub grub like wings... delivered by scantily clad waitresses.. in short shorts and a halter.. btw...... have you flown on the Hooters airlines yet.. of course this is a classical example of sex sells hahahahahaha...
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LoveMama wrote: There ya go! I'm right with ya!
xxxxxxxxxooooo
mama
To lighten things up........
Three Religious Truths:(
1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian
faith.
3. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
If you don't live in the U.S. "Hooter's" is a strip Club and The Baptist's Church, particularly in the deep South or the Bible Belt, is an extemely conservative church. No dancing, no music outside of secular. Here is CA......the Baptist Church is entirely different! I like the Church here very much.
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mama That's my Mama.
xxxxxxxxxooooo
mama
To lighten things up........
Three Religious Truths:(
1. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
2. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the leader of the Christian
faith.
3. Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store or at Hooters.
If you don't live in the U.S. "Hooter's" is a strip Club and The Baptist's Church, particularly in the deep South or the Bible Belt, is an extemely conservative church. No dancing, no music outside of secular. Here is CA......the Baptist Church is entirely different! I like the Church here very much.
xxxxxxxooo
mama That's my Mama.
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Bill Sikes wrote: Cars, I am surprised at that question. It's a bit like asking "can you buy beer in the rest of the world?". Did you really mean it as you asked, or am I mis-reading?
I just tired to "spark" some interest from the Forum, but did not even begin to imagine the strong emotional replies being posted. I guess it's true, not always good idea to discuss contriversial subjects in the public arena: Religion & Politics. :-2 (What is the minimum age to buy a "beer" in the rest of the world?)
I just tired to "spark" some interest from the Forum, but did not even begin to imagine the strong emotional replies being posted. I guess it's true, not always good idea to discuss contriversial subjects in the public arena: Religion & Politics. :-2 (What is the minimum age to buy a "beer" in the rest of the world?)
Cars
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cars wrote: What is the minimum age to buy a "beer" in the rest of the world?
Erm (desperately tries to remember)................. 92.
Erm (desperately tries to remember)................. 92.
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Mama, good joke :wah:
My friend, the one from Azerbaijan, never celebrated Christmas growing up. They celebrate winter solstice by visiting each other all night long, and having nuts, cheeses, olives,...oh, and tea. Loads of hot tea with sugar cubes held in your teeth. It's a very nice tradition.
Personally, any time I don't have to work, it's a holiday. I'll take it!
My friend, the one from Azerbaijan, never celebrated Christmas growing up. They celebrate winter solstice by visiting each other all night long, and having nuts, cheeses, olives,...oh, and tea. Loads of hot tea with sugar cubes held in your teeth. It's a very nice tradition.
Personally, any time I don't have to work, it's a holiday. I'll take it!
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