Puppy flushed down toilet

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:03 pm

This poor puppy.

A few questions spring to mind?

Why was such a young pup in the garden in the first place?

Where is its mum theres no mention of that.

Why was the child left unsupervised for so long with the pup .ie the time to take it outside get it dirty and the decide to wash it and flush it?

Are the RSPCA investigating this families suitablity as dog owners if not why not?

BBC NEWS | UK | 'Flushed puppy' survives ordeal

Oh and if one of mine had pulled a stunt like this he wouldnt be sitting there all smug and happy he would be roasting slowly somewhere.

cars · Post by **cars** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:34 am

That's one lucky puppy, (so to speak) being saved like that!

A "one week old puppy" seems rather too young for it to be played with in the first place! Especially by a toddler!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:47 am

Victoria;1203619 wrote: This poor puppy.

A few questions spring to mind?

Why was such a young pup in the garden in the first place?

Where is its mum theres no mention of that.

Why was the child left unsupervised for so long with the pup .ie the time to take it outside get it dirty and the decide to wash it and flush it?

Are the RSPCA investigating this families suitablity as dog owners if not why not?

BBC NEWS | UK | 'Flushed puppy' survives ordeal

Oh and if one of mine had pulled a stunt like this he wouldnt be sitting there all smug and happy he would be roasting slowly somewhere.
I saw this yesterday also Victoria and being an old cynical git, the same questions you asked immediately sprung to my mind.

I think the little shyte deliberately flushed the puppy down the tiolet.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:44 am

Sorry, but I think that this "take" on what happened is absolutely ridiculous. Toddlers do things, and a huge (and successful) effort was made to retrieve the animal.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:45 am

Bill Sikes;1203698 wrote: Sorry, but I think that this "take" on what happened is absolutely ridiculous. Toddlers do things, and a huge (and successful) effort was made to retrieve the animal.
I agree Bill but the adults made the huge effort to retrieve the puppy.

Sorry, i shall have to remain a cynical old git.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:34 am

one week old.........

where was the mother and the rest of the babies?

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:44 am

The poor dogs eyes aren't even open how could it have been playing in the mud. The lovely toddler was playing in the mud with it. Be a miracle if the dog doesn't have some sort of residual effect from being flush down the toilet, like brain damage from near drowning.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:38 am

CARLA;1203755 wrote: The poor dogs eyes aren't even open how could it have been playing in the mud. The lovely toddler was playing in the mud with it. Be a miracle if the dog doesn't have some sort of residual effect from being flush down the toilet, like brain damage from near drowning. Exactly Carla. I've bred puppies (never again)...... and know exactly what they do and don't do at that age. He should have been in a basket with his mother, not even out in a garden incase of infection. Depending on breed, a pup does not venture out of the basket until approx 3 to 4 weeks old.

I am still suspicious.

Post by **Sunshine** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:51 am

I think the kid put the puppy in the mud, saw how dirty it got, decided that before he got into trouble for getting the puppy dirty, he decided to give it a bath in the toilet. Idiot kid flushed. Yes, where were his parents at this time? The puppy should have been yelping by this time.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:07 am

Sunshine;1203850 wrote: I think the kid put the puppy in the mud, saw how dirty it got, decided that before he got into trouble for getting the puppy dirty, he decided to give it a bath in the toilet. Idiot kid flushed. Yes, where were his parents at this time? The puppy should have been yelping by this time.

no kidding.

Toddlers and living creatures unsupervised is a recipe for disaster.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:13 am

minks;1203861 wrote: no kidding.

Toddlers and living creatures unsupervised is a recipe for disaster.
Shame it wasn't a puff adder or a black widow spider.

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:18 am

oscar;1203867 wrote: Shame it wasn't a puff adder or a black widow spider.

and wouldn't the parents just be looking to sue somebody after that.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:19 am

minks;1203873 wrote:

and wouldn't the parents just be looking to sue somebody after that. Yes, but they would have taken a heck of a lot more care with it :wah:

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:27 am

oscar;1203875 wrote: Yes, but they would have taken a heck of a lot more care with it :wah:

oh perhaps but some parents these days are about as clueless as sticks, ya never know.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:30 am

minks;1203883 wrote: oh perhaps but some parents these days are about as clueless as sticks, ya never know. I have a nephew who airports give siezed exotics to, for care (he's liscensed) and he lost a corn snake, black widow spider and an African tree frog. The spider turned up on a neighbours front door but the others were never seen again :yh_rotfl

minks · Post by **minks** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:41 am

oscar;1203884 wrote: I have a nephew who airports give siezed exotics to, for care (he's liscensed) and he lost a corn snake, black widow spider and an African tree frog. The spider turned up on a neighbours front door but the others were never seen again :yh_rotfl

that just screams "not all animals make great pets"

Wow that is quite the chore looking after exotics mind you. I can barely look after 2 dumb dogs.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:46 am

minks;1203901 wrote: that just screams "not all animals make great pets"

Wow that is quite the chore looking after exotics mind you. I can barely look after 2 dumb dogs.
It really is no joke to be honest. His heating bills for all the infa red heating is astronomical. You would not believe what people try to smuggle in.

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:36 pm

Bill Sikes;1203698 wrote: Sorry, but I think that this "take" on what happened is absolutely ridiculous. Toddlers do things, and a huge (and successful) effort was made to retrieve the animal.

totally agree Bill. I laughed when I saw it on TV. I thought "awwwhhh poor little puppy" .....then I said "awwwhhh what a cute little boy".

***** happens people !!!!! Get over it!!!!

I like the name Dino.

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:02 pm

[QUOTE=fuzzywuzzy;1204101]totally agree Bill. I laughed when I saw it on TV. I thought "awwwhhh poor little puppy" .....then I said "awwwhhh what a cute little boy".

***** happens people !!!!! Get over it!!!!

Would you be saying the same if he had flushed his little brother..? I think not.

The point is this child was old enough to know what a toilet was for and what happens when you flush.

The family have the mother dog and the rest of her pups in a crate in the house so the child took the pup from its mother and did this.

Ok..this time the pup survived but they have others, do they intend to breed the dog again? Will junior do the same or worse again?

And if you thought that was funny let me flush your head down the toilet and see how much you laugh then. I know I would.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

fuzzywuzzy · Post by **fuzzywuzzy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:12 pm

Actually that's quite a threat in my country you may want to retract that threat.

If you're going to threaten a violent act take it up with the mods.

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:42 pm

Ahh so not funny then? Well why is it funny when applied to a one week old puppy?

Would it still be funny when applied to a one week old child?

My point is you find it funny... you said so.

When the roles are reversed suddenly you dont find it funny...

I was making a point. Your response proves my point, you dont mind it when its a dog but wouldnt want the same treatment yourself.

Word beginning with . H

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:27 am

Victoria;1204113 wrote: My point is you find it funny... you said so.

Again, ridiculous interpretations - with a perverse intent? It's quite possible to find something initially funny without considering the ramifications, isn't it.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:28 am

Victoria;1204113 wrote: Ahh so not funny then? Well why is it funny when applied to a one week old puppy?

Would it still be funny when applied to a one week old child?

Ah. To use your own apparent technique - "So, you equate the worth of a human child with that of an animal, eh?".

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 6:31 am

Bill Sikes;1204176 wrote: Ah. To use your own apparent technique - "So, you equate the worth of a human child with that of an animal, eh?". We have had many arguements here about the value of animal life equated with humans and it was one of the reasons a long standing member rarely posts here.

To me, all life is as valuable as human life. We happen to be the dominent species but we are not exclusive. Animal cruelty stems from people who do believe that because they can walk upright and talk, they have the right to decide the destiny of any other species they don't like or want to flush down a toilet.

So why say a human life is worth more than an animals? Who laid down the law on that one? Apart from the Chimpanzee, the human is the only species on this planet that murders it's own in cold blood. That says a lot to me about evolution.

I don't care if it's a wasp, a gnat, an elephant or a whale....... if it's born on this earth, it has a right to be here and be treated with the same respect that we as humans DEMAND.

cars · Post by **cars** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:34 am

What about "Ants", you left out Ants? :-2 They can ruin a picnic, & or your kitchen cabinet goods. :wah:

YZGI · Post by **YZGI** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:16 am

cars;1204344 wrote: What about "Ants", you left out Ants? :-2 They can ruin a picnic, & or your kitchen cabinet goods. :wah:
Not to mention mosquito's. Cute little buggers but hard to keep in a cage. Easy to feed though.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:01 am

oscar;1204302 wrote: To me, all life is as valuable as human life.

So you don't eat anything, then - remarkable.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:41 am

there isn't anything cute about toddlers and the way they treat animals if they are not taught proper. I have a 2.5 year old grandson, he has a kitten, I caught him on the weekend picking kitty up by the neck. his mother and I took kitty from him and showed him how to handle it and after that he did much better.

You can't tell me it's funny watching cute kids doing harm to animals. They don't know better and have to be taught. That is parents jobs.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:44 am

minks;1204435 wrote: there isn't anything cute about toddlers and the way they treat animals if they are not taught proper. I have a 2.5 year old grandson, he has a kitten, I caught him on the weekend picking kitty up by the neck. his mother and I took kitty from him and showed him how to handle it and after that he did much better.

You can't tell me it's funny watching cute kids doing harm to animals. They don't know better and have to be taught. That is parents jobs.

actually, its quite sickening what some toddlers to animals, and as you said, its the parents fault.

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:53 am

Odie;1204437 wrote: actually, its quite sickening what some toddlers to animals, and as you said, its the parents fault.

Absolutely, a child is not born into the world full of knowledge.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 9:55 am

minks;1204442 wrote: Absolutely, a child is not born into the world full of knowledge.

good to hear you helped your grandson hold kitty the right way.:-4

I have seen so many kids abuse their pets, and the parents just laugh!:-5:-5

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:22 am

I just cant understand animal cruelty and I cant understand why anyone would find it funny.

Hopefully this poor pup wont become ill or have any permenant damage from laying for hours in the cold covered in crap but I wouldnt like to bet on it.

Too be honest Im beginning to wish I hadnt bothered now as there seems to be an element creeping in who just add to these threads to ridicule anyone who gives a flying fig about the suffering of animals.

That doesnt help me, Im not that keen on the human race as it is.

Posting like this and having someone take the p1ss doesnt help

minks · Post by **minks** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:36 am

Victoria;1204460 wrote: I just cant understand animal cruelty and I cant understand why anyone would find it funny.

Hopefully this poor pup wont become ill or have any permenant damage from laying for hours in the cold covered in crap but I wouldnt like to bet on it.

Too be honest Im beginning to wish I hadnt bothered now as there seems to be an element creeping in who just add to these threads to ridicule anyone who gives a flying fig about the suffering of animals.

That doesnt help me, Im not that keen on the human race as it is.

Posting like this and having someone take the p1ss doesnt help

anything being abused is not pretty. yes I hope the pup survives ok as well but then again we may never know eh.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:21 pm

Bill Sikes;1204416 wrote: So you don't eat anything, then - remarkable.
Bill, it would take me too long and be extremely boring to other posters if i were to recite my ethos of eating habits. You do not know what exactly i eat and why.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:23 pm

Victoria;1204460 wrote: I just cant understand animal cruelty and I cant understand why anyone would find it funny.

Hopefully this poor pup wont become ill or have any permenant damage from laying for hours in the cold covered in crap but I wouldnt like to bet on it.

Too be honest Im beginning to wish I hadnt bothered now as there seems to be an element creeping in who just add to these threads to ridicule anyone who gives a flying fig about the suffering of animals.

That doesnt help me, Im not that keen on the human race as it is.

Posting like this and having someone take the p1ss doesnt help And that's exactly why a long standing poster and advocate of animal rights, rarely posts here any more.

I have to admit that the kid is quite cute.......... he'd be a lot cuter after i'd rammed his head down the toilet and flushed until he couldn't breathe.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:20 pm

Victoria;1204460 wrote: I just cant understand animal cruelty and I cant understand why anyone would find it funny.

Same here.

Victoria;1204460 wrote: Too be honest Im beginning to wish I hadnt bothered now as there seems to be an element creeping in who just add to these threads to ridicule anyone who gives a flying fig about the suffering of animals.

That doesnt help me, Im not that keen on the human race as it is.

Posting like this and having someone take the p1ss doesnt help

Oh dear. I'm sorry, but this sort of stance is the least bit useful, or even the least bit accurate.

So. Where's the ridicule? Where's the p1ss-take?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:22 pm

minks;1204472 wrote: I hope the pup survives ok as well but then again we may never know eh.

Compare the stage of development of the animal in the drain pipe with the one seen in the film. It's quite obviously OK and doing well. That's a good thing, isn't it?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:24 pm

oscar;1204512 wrote: Bill, it would take me too long and be extremely boring to other posters if i were to recite my ethos of eating habits. You do not know what exactly i eat and why.

I don't care what you eat, but I do care about integrity. Perhaps you could start off a separate thread, and then people likely to be bored could simply ignore it, and you could explain your apparently-at-odds statements.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:25 pm

oscar;1204513 wrote: I have to admit that the kid is quite cute.......... he'd be a lot cuter after i'd rammed his head down the toilet and flushed until he couldn't breathe.

Oh, *lovely*.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:40 pm

Bill Sikes;1204567 wrote: I don't care what you eat, but I do care about integrity. Perhaps you could start off a separate thread, and then people likely to be bored could simply ignore it, and you could explain your apparently-at-odds statements.
There is a world of difference between controlled argriculture and the humane slaughtering of animals for food. After all, most specie's feed off anither specie's.

This story is about one of two things. 1) The child was being a little shyte when he flushed the puppy deliberately or two, the owners are not responsible enough to breed puppies as the pups should never be removed from a basket and their mother at least until they are capable of walking themselves, should not be in a garden open to infection and be supervised by a responsible adult at all times when small children are in contact with them.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:46 pm

oscar;1204586 wrote: There is a world of difference between controlled argriculture and the humane slaughtering of animals for food. After all, most specie's feed off anither specie's.

So that's your get-out. Pah. It's very, very weak.

oscar;1204586 wrote: This story is about one of two things

Or even about three things - add the blindingly obvious, someone made a simple mistake.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:51 pm

Bill Sikes;1204592 wrote: So that's your get-out. Pah. It's very, very weak.

Or even about three things - add the blindingly obvious, someone made a simple mistake.
I don't try to get out of anything Bill...... if i'm wrong, i will admit i'm wrong as you know when i put the thread on for you about photographing in the street. All species have to survive by eating other species. If you think it's a weak get out.... so be it.

I just happen to be cynical on this story. Anyone who proffesses to be an animal lover and in a position to breed puppy's would know that a garden is the last place you put them. You certainly don't leave a small child in a position to abuse a tiny pup un-noticed. Shame it wasn't one of my dogs pups he tried taking...... she would have torn his hand off.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 2:14 pm

Bill Sikes;1204564 wrote: Compare the stage of development of the animal in the drain pipe with the one seen in the film. It's quite obviously OK and doing well. That's a good thing, isn't it?

it is very good Bill, puppy will be fine.

accidents do happen.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:24 pm

oscar;1204599 wrote: Shame it wasn't one of my dogs pups he tried taking...... she would have torn his hand off.

Oh! Gosh, how *lovely*!

I do not think you should be allowed to keep animals.

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:26 pm

Odie;1204629 wrote: it is very good Bill, puppy will be fine.

Nice looking little thing, wasn't it. I was glad it was rescued. What a tale! It'll have a special place because of this, I bet.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:10 pm

Bill Sikes;1204694 wrote: Nice looking little thing, wasn't it. I was glad it was rescued. What a tale! It'll have a special place because of this, I bet.

awwwwwww he is just so adorable and a lot bigger than I imagined for only being one week old.

.....that puppy will get special lovings now.:guitarist:guitarist

mikeinie · Post by **mikeinie** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:13 am

it must have been a 'Shihtzu'

abbey · Post by **abbey** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:20 am

oscar;1204513 wrote: And that's exactly why a long standing poster and advocate of animal rights, rarely posts here any more.

I have to admit that the kid is quite cute.......... he'd be a lot cuter after i'd rammed his head down the toilet and flushed until he couldn't breathe.
NO, She rarely posts because posts like this are not tolerated on FG.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:52 am

oscar;1204513 wrote: And that's exactly why a long standing poster and advocate of animal rights, rarely posts here any more.

I have to admit that the kid is quite cute.......... he'd be a lot cuter after i'd rammed his head down the toilet and flushed until he couldn't breathe.

Am I upset that this kid did this? Yes, I am. Would I want to harm this child? No. Just as you and the "long standing poster" advocate animal rights, I advocate human rights, especially when it comes to children. I wouldn't harm an animal and I sure as heck wouldn't harm a child. :-5

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:27 am

Bill Sikes;1204692 wrote: Oh! Gosh, how *lovely*!

I do not think you should be allowed to keep animals. Is it not this that was the whole point of Victoria's earlier post? The general opinion was 'oh it's only a puppy but it survived.... so what'. The whole purpose of my post that you have quoted is to show just how obnoxious the 'don't care less' attitude is when it comes to animals but outrage should some-one suggest similar for a child.

I would not dream of putting a child's head down the toilet but my post got the hypocritical recation i expected. What is abhorant to you in suggesting harm to a small chile is equally abhorant to true animal lovers who are asking the questions of what this pup was doing un-supervised to be put in that position. In fact, what was the toddler doing un-supervised? Had he not of been flushing a small puppy down the toilet un-supervised, he may have been drinking cleaning fluid un-supervised..... then you would be shouting to have the child removed from the parents.