Who is “they� I keep hearing news people and others in New Orleans complaining that “they†aren’t doing anything. I think it is frustration from seeing terrible things and wanting them fixed immediately.
What should they expect? Were the National Guard and the rest of the responders supposed to be standing at ready on the City limits? Doesn’t anyone understand the complexity and enormity of the task there? The LA National Guard was on the job immediately but it was crippled because it was included in the list of victims.
The U.S. Coast Guard has been rescuing people from the moment a helicopter could be launched. Their response is somehow ignored by those who want to blame someone.
National Guard units from other States couldn’t be there waiting in case the Gulf Coast experienced extensive damage. The same news media that is jumping up and down and stomping their feet played down the extent of the damage in the first day or so. They contributed to the lack of urgency and now they are the ones pointing their fingers at "they".
Deploying Guard units from places like Oregon doesn’t happen overnight. The assessment on the ground in LA had to take place first. Once that was done the units had to gear up for the type of emergency they are responding to. They have to get the troops to the point of debarkation and then start the trip. Guard units all over the country were mobilized when the assessment of the situation warranted it. Units are arriving now. They probably made it inside ninety six hours after the assessment of the situation triggered their deployment. Not bad.
I think the news media should start focusing on what is being accomplished and keep their mouths shut about “they†unless they know who “they†is and what specifically “they†is guilty of.
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flopstock wrote: i have to disagree. that's 4 days clint. and nights. We have efforts underway in foreign countries in under 4 days.
The problem is that 'they' appear to be everyone who should have acted and didn't, at least not quickly enough. According to FEMA everything was poised, ready to go in surrounding areas days before the storm hit. And then 4 days?
The reports coming out of there the first day should have kicked everyone into gear. They planned ahead for this, according to FEMA. The National Guard was standing by ready to move -according to FEMA. Water, food, formula was stockpiled, ready -according to FEMA. And then 4 days?
The major obstacle I think was the lawlessness. who expects rescuers to be attacked and murdered, boats overturned, rapes and pillaging almost immediately? These are the times that we expect we will come together, working for the common good.
So, i think that 'they' in this case would have to be everyone from the federal goverment down, with a bypass of police, fire and local rescue efforts, and then continuing down to the victims themselves who apparently couldn't have the courage to say that they would not allow abuse, murder, rape and mayhem to reign. although to be fair -they were a little busy just trying to survive.
Good points all. I think you actually pointed out that “they†are the idiots that shot at helicopters and those who created an unsafe environment for rescuers. It is also looking like some other “theys†would be those who made the choice not to evacuate. They created a huge problem.
The problem is that 'they' appear to be everyone who should have acted and didn't, at least not quickly enough. According to FEMA everything was poised, ready to go in surrounding areas days before the storm hit. And then 4 days?
The reports coming out of there the first day should have kicked everyone into gear. They planned ahead for this, according to FEMA. The National Guard was standing by ready to move -according to FEMA. Water, food, formula was stockpiled, ready -according to FEMA. And then 4 days?
The major obstacle I think was the lawlessness. who expects rescuers to be attacked and murdered, boats overturned, rapes and pillaging almost immediately? These are the times that we expect we will come together, working for the common good.
So, i think that 'they' in this case would have to be everyone from the federal goverment down, with a bypass of police, fire and local rescue efforts, and then continuing down to the victims themselves who apparently couldn't have the courage to say that they would not allow abuse, murder, rape and mayhem to reign. although to be fair -they were a little busy just trying to survive.
Good points all. I think you actually pointed out that “they†are the idiots that shot at helicopters and those who created an unsafe environment for rescuers. It is also looking like some other “theys†would be those who made the choice not to evacuate. They created a huge problem.
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Scrat wrote: ''They" are all of the people that are "qualified" (by your definition Clint) of handling the situation.
''They'' need to get other lines of work. "They" are incompetent.
"They" could not make a decision to pee their pants if they were on fire.
We have a local extremely conservative talk show host who has the same goal you do. He blames anyone with a job paid for by tax dollars for everything. He would like to see them all fired. I think he was raised by an evil step-father who worked for the county.
''They'' need to get other lines of work. "They" are incompetent.
"They" could not make a decision to pee their pants if they were on fire.We have a local extremely conservative talk show host who has the same goal you do. He blames anyone with a job paid for by tax dollars for everything. He would like to see them all fired. I think he was raised by an evil step-father who worked for the county.
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I missed it, buy my wife saw a reporter talking to a trucker (I don't know if he was Red Cross or just a contracted driver) who had a loaded trailer just waiting to be told where to go. :-5 In my experience, when in an emergency & orders are not immediately available, you use your common sense and get moving. This guy wasn't told, presumably, to wait until told where to go. If N.O. was truly important, why didn't they just get in there and find a group of people to give their good to? Same thing for the victims. I was raling at the TV at the healthy victims without food or water, who only stood around complaining about not having food or water. I felt better when the reporters finally decided to show good news last night. Not that good things weren't happening, it just wasn't good TV.
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You people talk like you expect perfection from people who are responding to an unprecedented emergency.
If you watch and listen with an open mind to what actually happened (not isolated horror stories) I’m confident you will learn that the effort made was a heroic one. As negative as your view of public servants is, it may be difficult for you to be objective though.
Most (not all) of those people could have evacuated. The tenor of the alert was much different than the others. Officials were begging people to leave. If people had done what the officials begged them to do, this mess wouldn’t be anywhere near what it is. Yes, many of them are poor but I'll bet there were many empty seats on buses leaving the area. Probably the same buses they would use to go shopping with. I feel sorry for those who were truly unable to evacuate.
I’ve been in charge of an evacuation and I know how people react. I’ve had to walk away from houses where people refused to leave knowing that if the warning was real they would die. I also knew that the same people who refuse to listen to the advice of others are the first to complain when they suffer the consequences of not listening.
If you watch and listen with an open mind to what actually happened (not isolated horror stories) I’m confident you will learn that the effort made was a heroic one. As negative as your view of public servants is, it may be difficult for you to be objective though.
Most (not all) of those people could have evacuated. The tenor of the alert was much different than the others. Officials were begging people to leave. If people had done what the officials begged them to do, this mess wouldn’t be anywhere near what it is. Yes, many of them are poor but I'll bet there were many empty seats on buses leaving the area. Probably the same buses they would use to go shopping with. I feel sorry for those who were truly unable to evacuate.
I’ve been in charge of an evacuation and I know how people react. I’ve had to walk away from houses where people refused to leave knowing that if the warning was real they would die. I also knew that the same people who refuse to listen to the advice of others are the first to complain when they suffer the consequences of not listening.
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Scrat wrote: I live in the Seattle area, we are overdue for a major quake by almost 100 years. I keep enough stuff on hand for 3 weeks plus a little still that can be used to make water from seawater, I have a regular barbecue not a gas one. I also have an AK-47 with some ammo.
While the news media here along with the Puget Sound Chamber of Commerce are quick to point out how polite we are by not honking in traffic, they never say why. If you honk at someone here they may just pull out a Mac-10 and kill you.
There is a very thin veneer of civility here in Seattle. If we get that "big one" here NO will look like a block party.
You're such a polyanna. :wah:
While the news media here along with the Puget Sound Chamber of Commerce are quick to point out how polite we are by not honking in traffic, they never say why. If you honk at someone here they may just pull out a Mac-10 and kill you.
There is a very thin veneer of civility here in Seattle. If we get that "big one" here NO will look like a block party.
You're such a polyanna. :wah:
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flopstock wrote: :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
Hey, clint...isn't a 'you people' kinda like a 'they'?
sorry, it just tickled my funny bone.
I have nothing but the highest admiration and respect for the folks on the ground that tried to do the job, clint. And they've got a guy in charge down there now that is kickin asses and takin ownership of being responcible for getting this mess organised.
But the ball was dropped big time on this one. And trying to tell ourselves it wasn't is not going to get anything fixed for the next time something like this happens. And it will. We all know it.
I guess "you people" is kinda like "they". Point taken.
After every real or practiced emergency the professionals do critiques using imput from every possible source. They use the information to improve for the next time.
Do you actually think we would be better off without organized efforts by trained professionals?
I'll guarantee you this: There will never be a disaster without mistakes being made and that the bigger the disaster the bigger the mistakes will be.
Hey, clint...isn't a 'you people' kinda like a 'they'?
sorry, it just tickled my funny bone.
I have nothing but the highest admiration and respect for the folks on the ground that tried to do the job, clint. And they've got a guy in charge down there now that is kickin asses and takin ownership of being responcible for getting this mess organised.
But the ball was dropped big time on this one. And trying to tell ourselves it wasn't is not going to get anything fixed for the next time something like this happens. And it will. We all know it.
I guess "you people" is kinda like "they". Point taken.
After every real or practiced emergency the professionals do critiques using imput from every possible source. They use the information to improve for the next time.
Do you actually think we would be better off without organized efforts by trained professionals?
I'll guarantee you this: There will never be a disaster without mistakes being made and that the bigger the disaster the bigger the mistakes will be.
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Scrat wrote: WELL EXCUSE THE HELL OUTTA ME!!!:D
Now that's optomistic.:yh_rotfl
Now that's optomistic.:yh_rotfl
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Excused! Excused! :yh_rotfl
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Just a thought........but locally..beyond the destruction of the flood and hurricane...aren't there many local churches that could have taken in some families with small children and the elderly. How can you tell a child that he will have to wait four days to eat. This is America---we are all supposed to be neighbors. Where are the folks in northern Louisiana and Mississippi, etc.? More immediate aid could have been done. Just my opinion.
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along-for-the-ride wrote: Just a thought........but locally..beyond the destruction of the flood and hurricane...aren't there many local churches that could have taken in some families with small children and the elderly. How can you tell a child that he will have to wait four days to eat. This is America---we are all supposed to be neighbors. Where are the folks in northern Louisiana and Mississippi, etc.? More immediate aid could have been done. Just my opinion.
Do you have information that churches didn’t help?
Do you have information that churches didn’t help?
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It does amaze me that reporters and tv crews from all over the world managed to get to the area before government help!
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abbey wrote: It does amaze me that reporters and tv crews from all over the world managed to get to the area before government help!
It doesn't amaze me at all. They didn't show up to help. They didn't take any supplies. They took people who were already on the job, flying all over the world with a microphone and a TV camera. The logistical challenge for them is minute compared to those bringing real help.
It doesn't amaze me at all. They didn't show up to help. They didn't take any supplies. They took people who were already on the job, flying all over the world with a microphone and a TV camera. The logistical challenge for them is minute compared to those bringing real help.
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along-for-the-ride wrote: Just a thought........but locally..beyond the destruction of the flood and hurricane...aren't there many local churches that could have taken in some families with small children and the elderly. How can you tell a child that he will have to wait four days to eat. This is America---we are all supposed to be neighbors. Where are the folks in northern Louisiana and Mississippi, etc.? More immediate aid could have been done. Just my opinion.
I believe TW said many local families & such were helping as you suggest. It's just not good TV.
I believe TW said many local families & such were helping as you suggest. It's just not good TV.