The death penalty..... yes or no?

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:35 pm

DNA Testing and unquestionable evidence would convince me to support the death penalty.

I suppose perhaps I did not make that clear when I posted my thoughts.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:37 pm

minks;1188897 wrote: DNA Testing and unquestionable evidence would convince me to support the death penalty.

I suppose perhaps I did not make that clear when I posted my thoughts.

you don't have to make that clear, its obvious to anyone.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:44 pm

minks;1188897 wrote: DNA Testing and unquestionable evidence would convince me to support the death penalty.

I suppose perhaps I did not make that clear when I posted my thoughts. Yes you did

:):)

cogob · Post by **cogob** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:54 pm

If you were the victim, what would you expect to happen to your attacker.

If money was stolen from you it can be recovered, but if a life is taken from you it cannot be recovered.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:43 am

cogob;1189004 wrote: If you were the victim, what would you expect to happen to your attacker.

If money was stolen from you it can be recovered, but if a life is taken from you it cannot be recovered. Yes, as i said earlier in another post.... families need closure and need to see the one who took their loved one's life punsihed harshly.

I know when my own husband was assaulted in a road rage incident, i was foaming at the mouth and really hacked off that she got a caution.

I'm in a unique position right now and i do welcome every one's views however harsh they may be.

Ozay · Post by **Ozay** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:48 am

I would only say 'yes' if there was definete proof that the person guilty was the the criminal who had commited such a terrible crime to deserve it. There has been cases in the past where innocent people have been given the death sentence and you would also have to define what is worthy to be executed for. At the moment there are countries that are executing people for things that don't deserve it like adultery, being gay, or even recording tape to tape....they need their heads shaking!! The main thing that should be listed is murder. If you kill you don't deserve to come back out of jail in 20 years time, especially if you aren't even remorseful as many aren't.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:52 am

Recording tape to tape deserves at least a custodial sentance without any chance of early release. Adopting any form of 80's technology should incur the full weight of the law

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:56 am

Ozay;1189145 wrote: The main thing that should be listed is murder. If you kill you don't deserve to come back out of jail in 20 years time, especially if you aren't even remorseful as many aren't. No, some show no remorse, some do. Do you think that the one's who show immediate remores should be treated less harshly than the one's who don't?

Ozay · Post by **Ozay** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:02 am

Snowfire;1189148 wrote: Recording tape to tape deserves at least a custodial sentance without any chance of early release. Adopting any form of 80's technology should incur the full weight of the law
Don't be so ridiculous. A custodial sentence maybe but no chance of early release? That's wrong...it's not like you have killed someone or raped etc. there is a lot worse crimes.

Ozay · Post by **Ozay** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:05 am

oscar;1189154 wrote: No, some show no remorse, some do. Do you think that the one's who show immediate remores should be treated less harshly than the one's who don't? 20 years is a long time even if you don't show any remorse.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:10 am

Ozay;1189159 wrote: 20 years is a long time even if you don't show any remorse.
Yes it is..... but i do believe that if the attacker immediately shows immense remorse and continue's that remorse it should be taken into account when sentencing. the one's who don't can rot.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:22 am

oscar;1189163 wrote: Yes it is..... but i do believe that if the attacker immediately shows immense remorse and continue's that remorse it should be taken into account when sentencing. the one's who don't can rot.

A lot of the time, the only reason they show remorse is because they got caught.

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:29 am

Ozay;1189157 wrote: Don't be so ridiculous. A custodial sentence maybe but no chance of early release? That's wrong...it's not like you have killed someone or raped etc. there is a lot worse crimes.

Who me ?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:41 am

Peg;1189168 wrote: A lot of the time, the only reason they show remorse is because they got caught. True in many cases Peg. Sometimes, the remorse is genuine for their victem.

CARLA · Post by **CARLA** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:04 am

I know your going through tough times right now Oscar but I don't buy the remorse issue for a minute. As Peg said its only because they got caught. A little late for genuine feelings for the victim should have had them to begin with.

Unfortunately when its youths it is dreadfully painful to see that a child you love is not the cute kid you remember. Can a child be save with Rehab possibly but in many cases no matter what the age the damage is done what you see is what you get and facing it is extremely hard for any family to understand.

Was it the families fault maybe, was it genetic maybe, or was it who the child associated with maybe, or is there a deeper mental health issue maybe. You can place blame every where and get no where. If the child is to be saved everything has to be put aside and focus on the child and nothing else. Does this child have to pay for what they did absolutely or the will do it again, and again. Death penalty for a minor child NO life in prison could be a possibility and you must face that.

[QUOTE]True in many cases Peg. Sometimes, the remorse is genuine for their victem.[/QUOTE]

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:27 am

CARLA;1189174 wrote: I know your going through tough times right now Oscar but I don't buy the remorse issue for a minute. As Peg said its only because they got caught. A little late for genuine feelings for the victim should have had them to begin with.

Unfortunately when its youths it is dreadfully painful to see that a child you love is not the cute kid you remember. Can a child be save with Rehab possibly but in many cases no matter what the age the damage is done what you see is what you get and facing it is extremely hard for any family to understand.

Was it the families fault maybe, was it genetic maybe, or was it who the child associated with maybe, or is there a deeper mental health issue maybe. You can place blame every where and get no where. If the child is to be saved everything has to be put aside and focus on the child and nothing else. Does this child have to pay for what they did absolutely or the will do it again, and again. Death penalty for a minor child NO life in prison could be a possibility and you must face that. I appreciate your honesty Carla. Of course, all sorts of questions go through my head at the moment. Yes, we have to focus on the child right now but i do have to say that if it is proved that he had a part in it in any way, i will agree to life imprisonment. Our thoughts are very much with the victem and his family. His family have to see justice done and i can fully understand that. I don't know how we will ever be able to atone his actions. It is very easy as you say to look around to see what you can blame. In this case i can lay some of the blame on our government who has systematically stripped away the rights of parents, teachers, police, local authorities and the courts in stamping on them when they first mess up all in the name of human rights.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:44 am

Peg;1189168 wrote: A lot of the time, the only reason they show remorse is because they got caught.

This is very true Peg, for if they felt remorse at the time, they wouldn't have done it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:51 am

Odie;1189187 wrote: This is very true Peg, for if they felt remorse at the time, they wouldn't have done it.

Do you know anyone who has once been so drunk that they can not remember anything the next day?

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:22 am

oscar;1189190 wrote: Do you know anyone who has once been so drunk that they can not remember anything the next day?Oh yes......including me when I was very young....the thing is being as pissed as a newt does not turn somebody into a criminal if by nature its not in them.I do agree however booze does change a person and sometimes to somebody you dont even like no matter how much you may love them normally.....but into a murderer.....no unless they have an evil side to them that the drink brings to the surface.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:28 am

Carolly;1189204 wrote: Oh yes......including me when I was very young....the thing is being as pissed as a newt does not turn somebody into a criminal if by nature its not in them.I do agree however booze does change a person and sometimes to somebody you dont even like no matter how much you may love them normally.....but into a murderer.....no unless they have an evil side to them that the drink brings to the surface. That is one of the questions we must ask ourselves. I just pray not.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:31 am

Ozay;1189159 wrote: 20 years is a long time even if you don't show any remorse.

not long enough

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:33 am

el guapo;1189215 wrote: not long enough My head agree with you 100% but my heart is saying differnt right now. Still, I can not have double standards here. I have to abide by what i believe in and i am with you on that one Jesse.

:-4

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:35 am

all remember the fact to be found guilty of murder it has to be proved it was premeditated

they set out to harm or take life

remorse is because they got court

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:51 am

el guapo;1189220 wrote: all remember the fact to be found guilty of murder it has to be proved it was premeditated

they set out to harm or take life

remorse is because they got court Yes, i suppose your right.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 11:20 am

even when someone is pissed to the gills, drunk, obnoxiously so, it does not give them any rights.

If someone is that much of a drunk to do these hideous crimes? yup, hang em!

:-5:mad:

bad parenting, drunkenness, peer pressure etc.......no excuses whatsoever

and that is what they all are..........excuses.

Post by **Sunshine** » Fri May 15, 2009 11:35 am

Ya know what is sad? No matter what we do with the criminials, there will always be someone else out there to take their place. No lessons are being learned or despeakable crimes ended. As long as there is mankind on the earth, crimes will always be comitted.

As for the death penalty, if the crime is bad enough, lets say murder of a child or of anyone for that matter...ridding ourselves of those should be allowed. No chance of them feeling remorse. Sure, some find God..so they say. How about the Manson family....Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy,Ted Bundy,Son of Sam,Richard Speck? I for one don't care to pay for their life sentance. Be done with them and move forward.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 2:39 pm

Sunshine;1189294 wrote: Ya know what is sad? No matter what we do with the criminials, there will always be someone else out there to take their place. No lessons are being learned or despeakable crimes ended. As long as there is mankind on the earth, crimes will always be comitted.

As for the death penalty, if the crime is bad enough, lets say murder of a child or of anyone for that matter...ridding ourselves of those should be allowed. No chance of them feeling remorse. Sure, some find God..so they say. How about the Manson family....Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy,Ted Bundy,Son of Sam,Richard Speck? I for one don't care to pay for their life sentance. Be done with them and move forward. I have to say that the one's you have named, i would agree with you. We have equally odious one's here, Ian Huntley, Roy Whiting etc but they are child murderers. I have said many times, i also wouldn't wish to pay my taxes to keep them.

With a very young child, rehabilitation is possible and hopefull.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:08 pm

el guapo;1189215 wrote: not long enough

definitely not long enough, even if its a member of my family.....monsters don't deserve to live with any of their excuses.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:17 pm

oscar;1189190 wrote: Do you know anyone who has once been so drunk that they can not remember anything the next day?

In my younger years, I had more than one time that I did not remember anything the next day. I also know from experience that I did not say or do anything that I wouldn't have sober. I know whiskey makes me want to argue so I don't drink whiskey. Drunk or sober I am accountable for my actions so I choose not to put myself in that position.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:19 pm

Peg;1189415 wrote: In my younger years, I had more than one time that I did not remember anything the next day. I also know from experience that I did not say or do anything that I wouldn't have sober. I know whiskey makes me want to argue so I don't drink whiskey. Drunk or sober I am accountable for my actions so I choose not to put myself in that position.

good for you Peg!:guitarist

everyone needs to be accountable....its their obligation.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:27 pm

Peg;1189415 wrote: In my younger years, I had more than one time that I did not remember anything the next day. I also know from experience that I did not say or do anything that I wouldn't have sober. I know whiskey makes me want to argue so I don't drink whiskey. Drunk or sober I am accountable for my actions so I choose not to put myself in that position. Myself also i must admit. I have done foolish things when drunk but i suppose none that hurt others when i look back. As i said before in a previous post, I can not have double standards here and must stick by what i have always believed in. I'd be a hypocrite not to and the one involved knows me well enough to know that i will stand by my beliefs and not make excuses.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:41 pm

Sunshine;1189294 wrote: Ya know what is sad? No matter what we do with the criminials, there will always be someone else out there to take their place. No lessons are being learned or despeakable crimes ended. As long as there is mankind on the earth, crimes will always be comitted.

As for the death penalty, if the crime is bad enough, lets say murder of a child or of anyone for that matter...ridding ourselves of those should be allowed. No chance of them feeling remorse. Sure, some find God..so they say. How about the Manson family....Jeffery Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy,Ted Bundy,Son of Sam,Richard Speck? I for one don't care to pay for their life sentance. Be done with them and move forward.

but that's life, there will always be more.

my beliefs are not just with young children being murdered/raped etc.

It's also adults that you just mentioned...and more...and I agree, be done with them.:-5:-5

ever heard of Paul Bernardo of Hamilton, Ontario? ....he was a 45 minute drive from where I live.

google that horrific monster one day......he is in jail, spending his time watching t.v.:-5:-5

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:34 pm

There is a consensus forming here and I'm against it. Sorry.

Please do remember people that NO system yet known gives 100% proof. Every system that has been thought to be conclusive has proved NOT to be.

No system including the death penalty has shown that the death penalty is a deterrent. I understand that most if not all countries with the death penalty have a HIGHER murder rate than those that don't, which suggests to me that the death penalty is a sign of desperation responding to other factors (though I haven't a clue what they are).

If I believe someone deserves death that much and did it to someone who matters to me then I will go and do it myself, and suffer the consequences. If I felt it that much then suffering the death penalty myself would not stop me. I would rather be dead than be in prison for life, so the death penalty would be an easy way out. You'd have to offer a death by horrible torture to make me think twice, and the current evidence suggests that those committing premeditated murder do not think they will be caught, so a penalty they believe they can avoid is no deterrent.

And I am not in favour of killing stupid children. (Hmmm. My teacher past is looking at that one and grinning!)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I DO think our current system of sentencing needs a review. Increasingly I am in favour of fines for mosst crimes not involving being a danger to others, to the extent of pauperising the family. In our system the kids of the fined criminals would still have access to education and healthcare.

Mostly, I blame the parents. Not always and not entirely, but I have to see the individual case.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:15 pm

Clodhopper;1189445 wrote: There is a consensus forming here and I'm against it. Sorry.

Please do remember people that NO system yet known gives 100% proof. Every system that has been thought to be conclusive has proved NOT to be.

No system including the death penalty has shown that the death penalty is a deterrent. I understand that most if not all countries with the death penalty have a HIGHER murder rate than those that don't, which suggests to me that the death penalty is a sign of desperation responding to other factors (though I haven't a clue what they are).

If I believe someone deserves death that much and did it to someone who matters to me then I will go and do it myself, and suffer the consequences. If I felt it that much then suffering the death penalty myself would not stop me. I would rather be dead than be in prison for life, so the death penalty would be an easy way out. You'd have to offer a death by horrible torture to make me think twice, and the current evidence suggests that those committing premeditated murder do not think they will be caught, so a penalty they believe they can avoid is no deterrent.

And I am not in favour of killing stupid children. (Hmmm. My teacher past is looking at that one and grinning!)

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I DO think our current system of sentencing needs a review. Increasingly I am in favour of fines for mosst crimes not involving being a danger to others, to the extent of pauperising the family. In our system the kids of the fined criminals would still have access to education and healthcare.

Mostly, I blame the parents. Not always and not entirely, but I have to see the individual case. An extremely thoughtful post. Thankyou.

Premeditated murder is apparently rare. Spontanious murder is more common. Absolute 100% proof is needed in any case first and fore-most.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:16 pm

Life in prison has been a deterent in keeping me from killing a few people. :wah:

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:47 pm

Peg;1189448 wrote: Life in prison has been a deterent in keeping me from killing a few people. :wah:

:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I hear you!

:sneaky::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

hoxtonchris · Post by **hoxtonchris** » Sat May 16, 2009 3:25 am

my sons a police officer and i have heard things over the years that has made my blood boil and should there be a death penalty?if the evidence is there without a question of any doubt then to right.a life is something very special and can never be replaced and to have it taken away so violently at times a price has to be paid as dead eyes can never see there children growing up or know there grandchldren and a small child will never know the meaning of life when there short life comes to an end.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:35 am

hoxtonchris;1189496 wrote: my sons a police officer and i have heard things over the years that has made my blood boil and should there be a death penalty?if the evidence is there without a question of any doubt then to right.a life is something very special and can never be replaced and to have it taken away so violently at times a price has to be paid as dead eyes can never see there children growing up or know there grandchldren and a small child will never know the meaning of life when there short life comes to an end.I have police officers and nurses in my family that have also seen and heard it all. I also have a close friend who's had a career as a prison warder in one of our maximum security prisons. Yes, they have seen it and heard it as well. As i said earlier, i believe with some of the monsters we have in prisons, there is no hope of rehabilitation. If it's a child who's commited the act, it puts another slant on it. Should we have executed Jamie Bulgers killers who were 10 yrs old? I think not and the habilitation of those boys and the fact that they are released shows the work that can be done in these units with kids like them. There is also another slant on this and that is if the family of the victem is religious and forgives the attacker. The sentence passed must not just be punishment, you have to take into account weather they are a danger to the public again and likely to claim more victems. Unfortunately, until every scrap of evidence is heard by the Jury, it's some-thing no-one knows 100% until a trial.

By co-incindence, i sat up late last night to watch that Louis guy on a documentary. He was in a US prison talking to some of the most vile convicts and asking what drives them to it etc. It was an eye-opener. Some in there swear they are innocent. If they were executed.... what if advancments in DNA later proved they were telling the truth? We have had too many mis-carraiges of justice in this country and as Clodhopper rightly said, our system needs an overhaul to prove 100%.

Thankyou for your post Chris

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:38 am

Odie;1189457 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

I hear you!

:sneaky::yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl Imagine the scenario...... your driving along the road and a small child runs out in front of you. You can't stop or swerve without ploughing into others. You kill that child..... should you be executed?

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:45 am

oscar;1189536 wrote: Imagine the scenario...... your driving along the road and a small child runs out in front of you. You can't stop or swerve without ploughing into others. You kill that child..... should you be executed?

no that's not murder that's a accident

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:53 am

oscar;1189534 wrote: I have police officers and nurses in my family that have also seen and heard it all. I also have a close friend who's had a career as a prison warder in one of our maximum security prisons. Yes, they have seen it and heard it as well. As i said earlier, i believe with some of the monsters we have in prisons, there is no hope of rehabilitation. If it's a child who's commited the act, it puts another slant on it. Should we have executed Jamie Bulgers killers who were 10 yrs old? I think not and the habilitation of those boys and the fact that they are released shows the work that can be done in these units with kids like them. There is also another slant on this and that is if the family of the victem is religious and forgives the attacker. The sentence passed must not just be punishment, you have to take into account weather they are a danger to the public again and likely to claim more victems. Unfortunately, until every scrap of evidence is heard by the Jury, it's some-thing no-one knows 100% until a trial.

By co-incindence, i sat up late last night to watch that Louis guy on a documentary. He was in a US prison talking to some of the most vile convicts and asking what drives them to it etc. It was an eye-opener. Some in there swear they are innocent. If they were executed.... what if advancments in DNA later proved they were telling the truth? We have had too many mis-carraiges of justice in this country and as Clodhopper rightly said, our system needs an overhaul to prove 100%.

Thankyou for your post Chris :)His watching the tele at the mo Oscar but told me to tell you he has his own thoughts just like I have and everybody has on this thread and what of course we are all entitled to and we will never change them and as to some of your points you made here....your opinion and maybe others but not everyones and thats me talking:D;)

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Sat May 16, 2009 5:54 am

el guapo;1189541 wrote: no that's not murder that's a accident

sooooooooooooooo true, this is about murderers and the death penalty.

psst......nice to see you back:D

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:03 am

oscar;1189536 wrote: Imagine the scenario...... your driving along the road and a small child runs out in front of you. You can't stop or swerve without ploughing into others. You kill that child..... should you be executed?An accident cannot be compared with rape and murder.....cannot be compared with holding a knife at somebodys throat.....cannot be compared to punching and kicking somebody till they cannot take any more and they die.....cannot be compared with taking a young child away and use them as a sex object before you kill them as they have served their purpose......a true accident of a child is heartbreaking for all concerned including the driver if they couldnt avoid the accident and have to live with the memory of it for the rest of their life knowing they took a childs life away.....no way can you compare the two issues.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:05 am

el guapo;1189541 wrote: no that's not murder that's a accident If it were your child that was killed, it would be only natural to want the driver strung up. That's the whole point of my opening post where i asked 'If it were you own flesh and blood, how would you feel', no-one seems to have answered that. It's very easier to say execute murderers but what if that murderer was your child or your flesh and blood? I wish some-one would answer that honestly. :rolleyes:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:07 am

Carolly;1189550 wrote: An accident cannot be compared with rape and murder.....cannot be compared with holding a knife at somebodys throat.....cannot be compared to punching and kicking somebody till they cannot take any more and they die.....cannot be compared with taking a young child away and use them as a sex object before you kill them as they have served their purpose......a true accident of a child is heartbreaking for all concerned including the driver if they couldnt avoid the accident and have to live with the memory of it for the rest of their life knowing they took a childs life away.....no way can you compare the two issues.
I'm not ignoring you Mrs..... I'm in a rush now as i'm off for a very important visit

;) I will answer you later tonight ducks.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:11 am

oscar;1189551 wrote: If it were your child that was killed, it would be only natural to want the driver strung up. That's the whole point of my opening post where i asked 'If it were you own flesh and blood, how would you feel', no-one seems to have answered that. It's very easier to say execute murderers but what if that murderer was your child or your flesh and blood? I wish some-one would answer that honestly. :rolleyes:If I had a child that murdered somebody make no mistake Oscar I would feel no different.I look at some teenagers in my family and I dont like what I see and because of that I have stopped going round there.....blood or not blood we have one go at this life and why should it be snatched away because another party has to much to drink or is just plain nasty.Itsa a life fgs we are talking about here and families that are left totally in pieces and at times even want to take their own life to be with them....so sad.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:13 am

oscar;1189553 wrote: I'm not ignoring you Mrs..... I'm in a rush now as i'm off for a very important visit

;) I will answer you later tonight ducks. :)Ok hen;)......didnt know that is what you call us lot in Scotland and thought they were being rude when I worked at Butlins there:wah::wah:;)

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:14 am

oscar;1189551 wrote: If it were your child that was killed, it would be only natural to want the driver strung up. That's the whole point of my opening post where i asked 'If it were you own flesh and blood, how would you feel', no-one seems to have answered that. It's very easier to say execute murderers but what if that murderer was your child or your flesh and blood? I wish some-one would answer that honestly. :rolleyes:

I answered in post #24.

Back to the OP, I believe in the death penalty but if it was a member of my family on death row would I believe in it? I honestly doubt it. It would depend on the crime they committed.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:14 am

minks;1188886 wrote: hun they say there is no more conclusive evidence in a case than DNA, sorry if you do the crime you pay the price... if it were my child I would be horrified beyond words but have to accept the law as the law. Of course I guarantee I have raised my children to understand right from wrong and am pretty confident they would never be in such a position as to be convicted of such a crime. They understand consequences they were raised with consequences. This namby pamby attitude about it's ok to be bad without consequences really gets me bugged.

oscar;1189551 wrote: If it were your child that was killed, it would be only natural to want the driver strung up. That's the whole point of my opening post where i asked 'If it were you own flesh and blood, how would you feel', no-one seems to have answered that. It's very easier to say execute murderers but what if that murderer was your child or your flesh and blood? I wish some-one would answer that honestly. :rolleyes:

I think someone did answer that question Oscar (post above) and i would say the same ,, if it were my son i would be horrified,, horrified that my own could do something like that,, confused, bewildered, angry, distraught, probably a lot of other feelings i can even imagine,, but whatever i felt,, he would have to serve his punishment as the law saw fit. there may have been a reason for his behaviour, but a reason is not an excuse.

If it were your own husband/dad/brother/cousin that was killed how would you feel?

Bill Sikes · Post by **Bill Sikes** » Sat May 16, 2009 6:35 am

oscar;1189534 wrote: what if advancments in DNA later proved they were telling the truth?: )

DNA evidence does not, of course, necessarily prove anything, on its own.