The death penalty..... yes or no?

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:29 am

I am not going to go into details or explain why i ask this question but it is something that has been on my mind recently.

If you support the death penalty for murderers...... would you change you mind if it was your own flesh and blood?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:42 am

No. The death penalty doesnt bring back those who were done to death. I would never be able to sit on a death penalty jury. It's not a perfect system. You can never be 100% sure that the person you are condeming (sp)to death is actually guilty. But I wholeheartedly belive in full life imprisonment.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:44 am

Yes I would bring it back and if that shocks and upsets some well im sorry.To read stories about the Monster who killed Baby Peter and then went onto rape a young baby.....to keep the Yorkshire Murderer in prision for the rest of his life to great expense.....sorry but let some say im wrong thinking this way and try to give me reasons for these monsters to stay alive. I really dont care ....you asked a question Oscar and I have answered it honestly.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:46 am

Carolly;1188536 wrote: Yes I would bring it back and if that shocks and upsets some well im sorry.To read stories about the Monster who killed Baby Peter and then went onto rape a young baby.....to keep the Yorkshire Murderer in prision for the rest of his life to great expense.....sorry but let some say im wrong thinking this way and try to give me reasons for these monsters to stay alive. I really dont care ....you asked a question Oscar and I have answered it honestly.
No problem Carrolly... Thank you for your honesty.

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:53 am

I must say I agree with Carolly on this one. Some people are way past any chance of rehabilitation and live on only to be a burden to us the tax payer.

Peter Sutcliffe is just one of those there are many more dotted around the country in various prisons.

I cant help but think of the games the moors murderers played, confessing to the murder of Keith Bennett but then refusing to tell where they had buried the body in so doing they continued to torture the victims mother.

I would have had no hesitation in putting the rope round thier necks.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 7:55 am

Victoria;1188542 wrote: I must say I agree with Carolly on this one. Some people are way past any chance of rehabilitation and live on only to be a burden to us the tax payer.

Peter Sutcliffe is just one of those there are many more dotted around the country in various prisons.

I cant help but think of the games the moors murderers played, confessing to the murder of Keith Bennett but then refusing to tell where they had buried the body in so doing they continued to torture the victims mother.

I would have had no hesitation in putting the rope round thier necks. What if it was a child on a murder charge?

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:00 am

Victoria;1188542 wrote: I must say I agree with Carolly on this one. Some people are way past any chance of rehabilitation and live on only to be a burden to us the tax payer.

Peter Sutcliffe is just one of those there are many more dotted around the country in various prisons.

I cant help but think of the games the moors murderers played, confessing to the murder of Keith Bennett but then refusing to tell where they had buried the body in so doing they continued to torture the victims mother.

I would have had no hesitation in putting the rope round thier necks.
Have you ever heard of the syndrome of folks that confess to things, but didnt actually commit the crime? But you would still vote for death? It's easy to have the mob mentality of 'kill him', but can you bring them back to life when you discover they were actually innocent?

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:04 am

Carolly;1188536 wrote: Yes I would bring it back and if that shocks and upsets some well im sorry.To read stories about the Monster who killed Baby Peter and then went onto rape a young baby.....to keep the Yorkshire Murderer in prision for the rest of his life to great expense.....sorry but let some say im wrong thinking this way and try to give me reasons for these monsters to stay alive. I really dont care

I strongly agree Carolly!

It helps closure for the families who have suffered.

Its just not right when a family member has been lost through such devastation......for these monsters to remain alive.

-this also includes all of them from Canada.

problem is, even on death row........it takes years!:-5:-5:-5

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:07 am

I understand where you are on this one Oscar and I would have to say no.

A child is a child and then one can never say that the chance of rehabilitation is exhausted.

I do think there should be a reorganisation of how we treat children in custody less of the softley softely approach and more of the education and responsability. every action has a consequence and they have to learn to accept and take account of that.

No going the American way of whinging about a bad youth or not having enough toys/ a dad/nice home as an excuse.

I think the death penalty should only be used in extreme cases such as the moors murdrers Peter Sutcliff, Fred West, Harold Shipman, ( I know the last two saved us the trouble) and several disgusting peadophile/killers who admit that they will re-offend if given the chance.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:07 am

Odie;1188548 wrote: I strongly agree Carolly!

It helps closure for the families who have suffered.

Its just not right when a family member has been lost through such devastation......for these monsters to remain alive.

-this includes all of them from Canada.

problem is, even on death row........it takes years!:-5:-5:-5

You are mighty quick to judge others. People like you scare me.

Victoria · Post by **Victoria** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:09 am

Raven;1188547 wrote: Have you ever heard of the syndrome of folks that confess to things, but didnt actually commit the crime? But you would still vote for death? It's easy to have the mob mentality of 'kill him', but can you bring them back to life when you discover they were actually innocent?

Did you see who I quoted? Are you of the belief that these people are innocent?

NO as I said extreme cases not nut jobs ..

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:10 am

I am not in favour of the death penalty. It doesnt serve as a deterent one little bit. Of those countries that still possess the death penalty, none of them show any degree of deterrence.

If people said that they wanted it introduced as a punishment, or a revenge, then that would at least be honest.

If one innocent person was ever put to death, that it itself would be the very reason it should be outlawed. There are plenty of cases over the last 50 years that have proved that it would be a travesty of justice.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:11 am

Raven;1188552 wrote: You are mighty quick to judge others. People like you scare me.

so you would let these monsters continue by possibly getting bail after they have received help?

and the luxury's they now have in jails?

just my opinion on what should be done to them.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:13 am

Odie;1188556 wrote: so you would let these monsters continue by possibly getting bail after they have received help?

and the luxury's they now have in jails?

People like you.....scare me.
What luxury? They are behind bars with all their liberties forfeit.

So what? They get a TV that shows them what they have lost? That sounds like appropriate punishment to me. And I bet you would say 'Torture them some more!' to the Americans. LOL!

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:14 am

raven;1188558 wrote: what luxury? They are behind bars with all their liberties forfeit.

So what? They get a tv that shows them what they have lost? That sounds like appropriate punishment to me. And i bet you would say 'torture them some more!' to the americans.

The U.S.?.........what does that have to do with me?:rolleyes:

did I not say Canadian monsters as well?;)

perhaps you should check and see what country I am from.:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:18 am

Odie;1188560 wrote: did I not say Canadian monsters as well?;)

:yh_rotfl oh my mistake. Just the folks that beat to death little white fuzzy seal pups.....that explains alot.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:19 am

Raven;1188562 wrote: :yh_rotfl oh my mistake. Just the folks that beat to death little white fuzzy seal pups.....that explains alot.

now your really digging sluff.....as this is not our faults nor doings as citizens.:rolleyes:

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:22 am

Victoria;1188554 wrote: Did you see who I quoted? Are you of the belief that these people are innocent?

NO as I said extreme cases not nut jobs ..

Have you ever wondered why 'nut jobs' became that way? Dont get me wrong..I am in the business of saving lives and healing people. So my opinion might be a bit skewed in your eyes.

But putting someone to death is a bit harsh. Life sentences are fine with me.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:23 am

To watch a family go to pieces whose little girl has been found dead in Epping Forest .....her little body covered with love bites and suffering so at the hands of a monster....to watch that family try to rebuild their lives and also wonder what there child suffered before she was killed is the worst thing you can imagine and to a child like I was at the time its something I will never forget.....ive just found this link...I had no idea of this arrest.But if it would have been proved without a doubt at the time this man killed Kim....to right he should have been hanged.I also heard at the time the Police had a very good idea who the murderer was but didnt have enough evidence.Maybe I shouldnt think back and remember this case which maybe has made me feel the way I do but its something that has stayed with me all these years and guess will always be as I still can hear the screams and all the crying of the family and at times like this I guess it all comes back even more and theres no way I will ever change my mind about the death penalty.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 446805.ece

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:26 am

Odie;1188564 wrote: now your really digging sluff.....as this is not our faults nor doings as citizens.:rolleyes:

Really? I am afraid something like that going on in my back yard would turn me into a 'foaming at the mouth' activist.

Having said that...I am a person currently without country. I have turned my back on the place that I once called home, and I am only a resident in the one I currently live in. Nevermind.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:28 am

Raven;1188558 wrote: What luxury? They are behind bars with all their liberties forfeit.

So what? They get a TV that shows them what they have lost? That sounds like appropriate punishment to me. And I bet you would say 'Torture them some more!' to the Americans. LOL! Correct....Having seen the system for myself now, these young offenders secure units are no picnic believe me. To dispel the myth, they are not handed luxeries the moment they walk in. They go in with nothing and have to earn every point even the right to wear their own trainers. They are not given tv's, computers or play stations or anything else until they have completed a minimum of 25 hours a week of education and worked. You can take what you like in for them but they don't get it. It's held until they have followed the scheme to earn a privilage. Even to get a phone card to ring home is a privilage.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:31 am

oscar;1188571 wrote: Correct....Having seen the system for myself now, these young offenders secure units are no picnic believe me. To dispel the myth, they are not handed luxeries the moment they walk in. They go in with nothing and have to earn every point even the right to wear their own trainers. They are not given tv's, computers or play stations or anything else until they have completed a minimum of 25 hours a week of education and worked. You can take what you like in for them but they don't get it. It's held until they have followed the scheme to earn a privilage. Even to get a phone card to ring home is a privilage.

Exactly. A cat in a kitty carrier has more freedom.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:35 am

oscar;1188571 wrote: Correct....Having seen the system for myself now, these young offenders secure units are no picnic believe me. To dispel the myth, they are not handed luxeries the moment they walk in. They go in with nothing and have to earn every point even the right to wear their own trainers. They are not given tv's, computers or play stations or anything else until they have completed a minimum of 25 hours a week of education and worked. You can take what you like in for them but they don't get it. It's held until they have followed the scheme to earn a privilage. Even to get a phone card to ring home is a privilage.And thats how they should be treated IMO....there not on holiday and they have to learn that if you do a crime you have to pay the price and hopefully they have such a rotten time in there it teaches them that crime indeed dosent pay and also hopefully teach them the way to a better life is to be like most of us.....stay out of trouble and learn in life you get out what you put in.

Peg · Post by **Peg** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:40 am

Raven;1188573 wrote: Exactly. A cat in a kitty carrier has more freedom.

And they should have any types of freedom why? Perhaps they shoud've thought about the punishment before doing the crime.

Back to the OP, I believe in the death penalty but if it was a member of my family on death row would I believe in it? I honestly doubt it. It would depend on the crime they committed. Just this morning I did read a story about a man on death row for 22 years recently released because of new DNA evidence. That is scary.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:41 am

Carolly;1188576 wrote: And thats how they should be treated IMO....there not on holiday and they have to learn that if you do a crime you have to pay the price and hopefully have such a rotten time in there it teaches them that crime indeed dosent pay and also hopefully teach them the way to a better life is to be like most of us.....stay out of trouble and learn in life you get out what you put in. I can't disagree with you at all. I just wanted to put some straight that when they THINK they have a life of luxery but haven't probably ever visited a prison, it's easy to believe what you want. I totally agree with the system i must say. It teaches them from the moment they walk in that everything has to be earned and respect is a two way street. For some kids who have had it all too easy at home, this is a massive adjustment to them and a hell of a shock to the system. It teaches them values that hopefully they will carry on when they get out. Young offenders secure units are not just prisons. They do a huge amount of rehabilitation to help them if they are released. I can't praise the staff enough in these Units. They really care about them.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:43 am

Raven;1188569 wrote: Really? I am afraid something like that going on in my back yard would turn me into a 'foaming at the mouth' activist.

Having said that...I am a person currently without country. I have turned my back on the place that I once called home, and I am only a resident in the one I currently live in. Nevermind.

omg.......its not going on in our backyards.:-5:-5

I live in Toronto, there are no seals nor oceans here.

how the heck to you expect me to fly 3,000 miles to become an activist?

and there are tons of activists.......at all times;)

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:44 am

oscar;1188579 wrote: I can't disagree with you at all. I just wanted to put some straight that when they THINK they have a life of luxery but haven't probably ever visited a prison, it's easy to believe what you want. I totally agree with the system i must say. It teaches them from the moment they walk in that everything has to be earned and respect is a two way street. For some kids who have had it all too easy at home, this is a massive adjustment to them and a hell of a shock to the system. It teaches them values that hopefully they will carry on when they get out. Young offenders secure units are not just prisons. They do a huge amount of rehabilitation to help them if they are released. I can't praise the staff enough in these Units. They really care about them.Oscar I hear what your saying and glad we agree on certain things here.Some things we will never agree with on this matter and why should we.....we all have our own opinions and reasons for feeling the way we do over certain issues.....gets it out of our system though and that cant be a bad thing;)

Snowfire · Post by **Snowfire** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:45 am

Peg;1188577 wrote: And they should have any types of freedom why? Perhaps they shoud've thought about the punishment before doing the crime.

Back to the OP, I believe in the death penalty but if it was a member of my family on death row would I believe in it? I honestly doubt it. It would depend on the crime they committed. Just this morning I did read a story about a man on death row for 22 years recently released because of new DNA evidence. That is scary.

Yes Peg it is scary. The very reason, I think the death penalty should not be introduced here in the UK. For 22 years that man new he was innocent and had he been sent to the chair that would have been as tragic as the original murder. At least now he can continue to enjoy his freedom, such as it is

Dont get me wrong, I have no idea what I may do to someone if a member of my family was harmed in any way, let alone murdered

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:45 am

Peg;1188577 wrote: And they should have any types of freedom why? Perhaps they shoud've thought about the punishment before doing the crime.

Back to the OP, I believe in the death penalty but if it was a member of my family on death row would I believe in it? I honestly doubt it. It would depend on the crime they committed. Just this morning I did read a story about a man on death row for 22 years recently released because of new DNA evidence. That is scary.

I dont think they should have any freedom! But I am totally against the death penalty for exactly that reason. Too many people losing their lives because of wrong convictions.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:47 am

Odie;1188581 wrote: omg.......its not going on in our backyards.:-5:-5

I live in Toronto, there are no seals nor oceans here.

how the heck to you expect me to fly 3,000 miles to become an activist?

and there are tons of activists.......at all times;)

:yh_rotfl Okay......so it is a very BIG backyard!!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:50 am

Carolly;1188582 wrote: Oscar I hear what your saying and glad we agree on certain things here.Some things we will never agree with on this matter and why should we.....we all have our own opinions and reasons for feeling the way we do over certain issues.....gets it out of our system though and that cant be a bad thing;)
Carolly..... you and i will never entirely agree as for one you can not see how sexy Gordon Brown is :yh_rotfl

Peg said it when she said that it was scarey that some-one could be innocent and we certainly have had many cases here in our country.

With the advancement of dna technology, it can rule without doubt if some-one is guilty or not. Only fair trials will ever decide that and even then there is room for error sometimes.

No, it's not a bad thing to share.

Raven · Post by **Raven** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:56 am

I think as long as human beings sit on a jury, there should be no death penalty. For human beings err too much.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Thu May 14, 2009 8:57 am

oscar;1188591 wrote: Carolly..... you and i will never entirely agree as for one you can not see how sexy Gordon Brown is :yh_rotfl

Peg said it when she said that it was scarey that some-one could be innocent and we certainly have had many cases here in our country.

With the advancement of dna technology, it can rule without doubt if some-one is guilty or not. Only fair trials will ever decide that and even then there is room for error sometimes.

No, it's not a bad thing to share.Im fed up sweetchops......not bleedin hard up:D;)

On a much more serious note though one thing I do agree with.....the accused should be proved guilty 100% and if any doubt whatsoever should never face the death penalty.....but back down to earth...we all know the death penalty will never return and good job some say....but there again we are all entitled to say how we feel.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:26 am

Carolly;1188598 wrote: Im fed up sweetchops......not bleedin hard up:D;)

On a much more serious note though one thing I do agree with.....the accused should be proved guilty 100% and if any doubt whatsoever should never face the death penalty.....but back down to earth...we all know the death penalty will never return and good job some say....but there again we are all entitled to say how we feel.

How would you feel if the offender was your own flesh and blood?

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:00 am

Carolly;1188536 wrote: Yes I would bring it back and if that shocks and upsets some well im sorry.To read stories about the Monster who killed Baby Peter and then went onto rape a young baby.....to keep the Yorkshire Murderer in prision for the rest of his life to great expense.....sorry but let some say im wrong thinking this way and try to give me reasons for these monsters to stay alive. I really dont care ....you asked a question Oscar and I have answered it honestly.

We already have the death penalty...but would good is it...with the murderer's appealing away...total joke. Still waiting for Abul Jamal to get his comuppence. He's the "celebrity" who's been sitting in jail for almost 20 yrs after killing a Philadelphia policeman back in the 80's.:-5:-5

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:04 am

qsducks;1188663 wrote: We already have the death penalty...but would good is it...with the murderer's appealing away...total joke. Still waiting for Abul Jamal to get his comuppence. He's the "celebrity" who's been sitting in jail for almost 20 yrs after killing a Philadelphia policeman back in the 80's.:-5:-5 I agree with you but personally i am so torn right now.

I think the one thing that can be said for the death penalty is that for those who are 100% guilty, it could save future victems should they ever be paroled. We must always remember the victems and their families loss.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:10 am

oscar;1188666 wrote: I agree with you but personally i am so torn right now.

I think the one thing that can be said for the death penalty is that for those who are 100% guilty, it could save future victems should they ever be paroled. We must always remember the victems and their families loss.

I agree with that. Some of these scum over here have written books...all the proceeds go to the victim's families.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:13 am

When we had the death penalty,, it wasnt just automatically served on a murderer was it?? i tought there was certain circumstances and criteria to be there before the prosecution could ask for the death penalty to be applied?

Anyway i dont believe in the death penalty,, thats an easy way out of puishment as far as im concerned,, but what i do believe is that if a criminal is given a life sentence then it SHOULD be a life sentence,,, in jail until you die

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:21 am

kazalala;1188672 wrote: When we had the death penalty,, it wasnt just automatically served on a murderer was it?? i tought there was certain circumstances and criteria to be there before the prosecution could ask for the death penalty to be applied?

Anyway i dont believe in the death penalty,, thats an easy way out of puishment as far as im concerned,, but what i do believe is that if a criminal is given a life sentence then it SHOULD be a life sentence,,, in jail until you die

I do agree that some are beyond rehabilitation and need the death penalty. Child murderers etc.

With children, it's very difficult. They are young enough to be given hope of rehabilitation and turning their lives around however, i still agree with life imprisonment. My heads all over the place at the moment. I suppose only a fair trial and finally knowing what part they played in a murder will decide if they should be rehabilitated and freed or stay in prison for life. It depends on the severity of their actions. For that, we need 100% proof.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:23 am

oscar;1188675 wrote: I do agree that some are beyond rehabilitation and need the death penalty. Child murderers etc.

With children, it's very difficult. They are young enough to be given hope of rehabilitation and turning their lives around however, i still agree with life imprisonment. My heads all over the place at the moment. I suppose only a fair trial and finally knowing what part they played in a murder will decide if they should be rehabilitated and freed or stay in prison for life. It depends on the severity of their actions. For that, we need 100% proof.

well i said IF a life sentence is given ,,, not all murderers would neccessarily be given a life sentence

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:30 am

kazalala;1188677 wrote: well i said IF a life sentence is given ,,, not all murderers would neccessarily be given a life sentence

Again I'm torn as i am the first to critisize soft sentencing and murderers being released early due to prison over crowding. Life now can be 8 years and out in 4 years with good behaviour. To me, that is not enough for even a youngster to understand the severity of their actions. I also believe it is no justice for the victems families. They have to see justice being seen to be done and closure is difficult if the scum bag who took their loved one's life is out in 4 years.

Clodhopper · Post by **Clodhopper** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:45 am

I'm with those who say no to the death penalty. There is always the possibility or error or frame ups. If we'd had the death penalty there are an awful lot of innocent people who'd be dead. I seem to recall that the last person in this country to be hung is now reckoned to have been unjustly sentenced. If alive they can be let out and compensated like the Birmingham Six. You can never give them back the lost twenty or whatever years, but at least they are alive.

As a matter of fact I think life imprisonment is worse than death, and there are genuine lifers, like Hindley. Successive Home Secretaries have reviewed the evidence and flatly refused to let her out. Agree too many are let out too soon, but the whole question of prison sentences needs a review. However, that's a different question.

So NO to the death penalty. Too many innocents would die.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:54 am

Clodhopper;1188696 wrote: I'm with those who say no to the death penalty. There is always the possibility or error or frame ups. If we'd had the death penalty there are an awful lot of innocent people who'd be dead. I seem to recall that the last person in this country to be hung is now reckoned to have been unjustly sentenced. If alive they can be let out and compensated like the Birmingham Six. You can never give them back the lost twenty or whatever years, but at least they are alive.

As a matter of fact I think life imprisonment is worse than death, and there are genuine lifers, like Hindley. Successive Home Secretaries have reviewed the evidence and flatly refused to let her out. Agree too many are let out too soon, but the whole question of prison sentences needs a review. However, that's a different question.

So NO to the death penalty. Too many innocents would die. Very well said.

We must also remember the policy of British police is to charge first and then gather evidence.

I know one thing with prison now...... the one thing we all take for granted without a blink of an eye..... Freedom. The freedom to nip to the shops to get a pack of ciggs when you want. The freedom to pick the phone up and call your mates when you want. The freedom to eat, drink and go to bed when you like. To some, having that taken away is the worst punishment of all.

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:43 am

I say YES to the death penalty if DNA is as accurate as they claim then yes yes yes.

I also think punishment by death will work as a deterant to some people out there. I would suspect people will think twice about committing horrific crimes if they know they stand to loose their lives.

Seal clubbing has long been a very primative way of killing seals and yes it is barbaric. This link gives you some insite into the reason for clubbing. But beware you won't like the content ok....

Why do they club seals? - By Daniel Engber - Slate Magazine

Not all Canadians club baby seals. Nor do we all like it. It isn't something we have been given the chance to vote upon sadly.

Sorry back to the topic.

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:52 am

minks;1188759 wrote:

Seal clubbing has long been a very primative way of killing seals and yes it is barbaric. This link gives you some insite into the reason for clubbing. But beware you won't like the content ok....

Why do they club seals? - By Daniel Engber - Slate Magazine

Not all Canadians club baby seals. Nor do we all like it. It isn't something we have been given the chance to vote upon sadly.

amen!:guitarist

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:42 pm

minks;1188759 wrote: I say YES to the death penalty if DNA is as accurate as they claim then yes yes yes.

How would you feel if the accused were your son?

minks · Post by **minks** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:15 pm

oscar;1188806 wrote: How would you feel if the accused were your son?

hun they say there is no more conclusive evidence in a case than DNA, sorry if you do the crime you pay the price... if it were my child I would be horrified beyond words but have to accept the law as the law. Of course I guarantee I have raised my children to understand right from wrong and am pretty confident they would never be in such a position as to be convicted of such a crime. They understand consequences they were raised with consequences. This namby pamby attitude about it's ok to be bad without consequences really gets me bugged.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:20 pm

minks;1188886 wrote: hun they say there is no more conclusive evidence in a case than DNA, sorry if you do the crime you pay the price... if it were my child I would be horrified beyond words but have to accept the law as the law. Of course I guarantee I have raised my children to understand right from wrong and am pretty confident they would never be in such a position as to be convicted of such a crime. They understand consequences they were raised with consequences. This namby pamby attitude about it's ok to be bad without consequences really gets me bugged. It's funny..... i thought that until this week.

el guapo · Post by **el guapo** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:25 pm

yes bring back hanging

i have my reasons

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:27 pm

el guapo;1188894 wrote: yes bring back hanging

i have my reasons I know Jesse..... you have every reason for that wish.