I hope none of our members are violently to the right.
WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.
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Lon;1175123 wrote: I hope none of our members are violently to the right.
WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.
There was an advert above your post. I don't know if the link would be the same in the states but there is an unintended irony about it in view of the content of your post.
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Amongst the british posters we've got oscar who has come out of the closet and revealed herself as standing as an MP for the british fascist party. I don't think she is armed however.
WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.
There was an advert above your post. I don't know if the link would be the same in the states but there is an unintended irony about it in view of the content of your post.
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Amongst the british posters we've got oscar who has come out of the closet and revealed herself as standing as an MP for the british fascist party. I don't think she is armed however.
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gmc;1175159 wrote: Amongst the british posters we've got oscar who has come out of the closet and revealed herself as standing as an MP for the british fascist party. I don't think she is armed however. Oh your just sooooooooooooo funny sporran :yh_rotfl
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I hope none of our members are violently to the left.
Homeland Security needs to get their heads out. The danger we face isn't from our own people it is from radicals who have declared their intent to destroy us. It is from those who have launched attacks on us already. It certainly isn't from returning war veterans. I hope the writer of the report is fired. It was a slap in the face of all veterans.
Homeland Security needs to get their heads out. The danger we face isn't from our own people it is from radicals who have declared their intent to destroy us. It is from those who have launched attacks on us already. It certainly isn't from returning war veterans. I hope the writer of the report is fired. It was a slap in the face of all veterans.
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Clint;1175219 wrote: I hope none of our members are violently to the left.
Homeland Security needs to get their heads out. The danger we face isn't from our own people it is from radicals who have declared their intent to destroy us. It is from those who have launched attacks on us already. It certainly isn't from returning war veterans. I hope the writer of the report is fired. It was a slap in the face of all veterans. I do not agree with the Iraq war nor our remaining presence in Afgan but otherwise, I agree with you.
Homeland Security needs to get their heads out. The danger we face isn't from our own people it is from radicals who have declared their intent to destroy us. It is from those who have launched attacks on us already. It certainly isn't from returning war veterans. I hope the writer of the report is fired. It was a slap in the face of all veterans. I do not agree with the Iraq war nor our remaining presence in Afgan but otherwise, I agree with you.
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Lon;1175123 wrote: I hope none of our members are violently to the right.
WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.
If the left, right and center are not ALL pissed about this manifesto.......... then kiss your a$$es and liberties goodbye........
There was pi$$in and a moaning when Bush wanted warrantless wiretapping. That was just a drop in the bucket compared to this manifesto. Talk about fear mongering.
"* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
Oh really and there are no Left wing nut jobs out there already attacking America? Let's see now..... ELF comes to mind..... Are they right winged or left winged in their opinions?
According to the FBI, today's version of ELF has devolved into a domestic terrorist group.
Former ELF Leader Defends Group's Efforts - 10News I-Team ..
ELF attacks U.S. Forest Service Research Facility in Irvine, PA ...
[frontline-news] ELF CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR APRIL SUV ATTACKS ...
ELF Attacks on Development and Car Dealership
ELF Attacks Construction Site in A Series of Actions
There are hundreds more stories..... just google ELF attacks
Also.... Wasn't Obamas Left wing buddy William Ayers a member of the Weather Underground Organization
William Ayers is a communist. But don't take my word for it. He said so himself:
And not some nicey-nice peace-and-love kind of communist. Through his group the Weather Underground, Ayers was planning to "seize power" in a violent communist takeover of the United States:
William Ayers co-wrote this best seller
Yes as Obamas' hate mongering hero Rev. Wright once said............. De chickens, dey is a coming home to ROOST........
I think the Obama administration manifesto is like the pot calling the kettle black
WASHINGTON – A newly unclassified Department of Homeland Security report warns against the possibility of violence by unnamed "right-wing extremists" concerned about illegal immigration, increasing federal power, restrictions on firearms, abortion and the loss of U.S. sovereignty and singles out returning war veterans as particular threats.
If the left, right and center are not ALL pissed about this manifesto.......... then kiss your a$$es and liberties goodbye........
There was pi$$in and a moaning when Bush wanted warrantless wiretapping. That was just a drop in the bucket compared to this manifesto. Talk about fear mongering.
"* (U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and
adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups),
and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or
rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a
single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."
Oh really and there are no Left wing nut jobs out there already attacking America? Let's see now..... ELF comes to mind..... Are they right winged or left winged in their opinions?
According to the FBI, today's version of ELF has devolved into a domestic terrorist group.
Former ELF Leader Defends Group's Efforts - 10News I-Team ..
ELF attacks U.S. Forest Service Research Facility in Irvine, PA ...
[frontline-news] ELF CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR APRIL SUV ATTACKS ...
ELF Attacks on Development and Car Dealership
ELF Attacks Construction Site in A Series of Actions
There are hundreds more stories..... just google ELF attacks
Also.... Wasn't Obamas Left wing buddy William Ayers a member of the Weather Underground Organization
William Ayers is a communist. But don't take my word for it. He said so himself:
And not some nicey-nice peace-and-love kind of communist. Through his group the Weather Underground, Ayers was planning to "seize power" in a violent communist takeover of the United States:
William Ayers co-wrote this best seller
Yes as Obamas' hate mongering hero Rev. Wright once said............. De chickens, dey is a coming home to ROOST........
I think the Obama administration manifesto is like the pot calling the kettle black
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Its all going to come out in the wash on tea party day.
The right has its day in the sun but the left has infiltrated the right with covert operations.
Could be interesting.
The right has its day in the sun but the left has infiltrated the right with covert operations.
Could be interesting.
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Nomad;1175254 wrote: Its all going to come out in the wash on tea party day.
The right has its day in the sun but the left has infiltrated the right with covert operations.
Could be interesting.
That's what I heard. Leftists are going to meetings and trying to act like what they think the typical protestors are like and making fools of themselves. Calling for book burning & such. I tried to find stuff on youtube but haven't been successful.
The right has its day in the sun but the left has infiltrated the right with covert operations.
Could be interesting.
That's what I heard. Leftists are going to meetings and trying to act like what they think the typical protestors are like and making fools of themselves. Calling for book burning & such. I tried to find stuff on youtube but haven't been successful.
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Originally Posted by gmc
Amongst the british posters we've got oscar who has come out of the closet and revealed herself as standing as an MP for the british fascist party. I don't think she is armed however.
Oscar replied:
Oh your just sooooooooooooo funny sporran
I don't get the joke. You are standing for the British Fascist Party, aka the British National Party. Hitler was a Fascist. Griffin is a Fascist. You are supporting and standing for a political creed our parents and grandparents killed and died to destroy.
Amongst the british posters we've got oscar who has come out of the closet and revealed herself as standing as an MP for the british fascist party. I don't think she is armed however.
Oscar replied:
Oh your just sooooooooooooo funny sporran
I don't get the joke. You are standing for the British Fascist Party, aka the British National Party. Hitler was a Fascist. Griffin is a Fascist. You are supporting and standing for a political creed our parents and grandparents killed and died to destroy.
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Accountable;1175317 wrote: That's what I heard. Leftists are going to meetings and trying to act like what they think the typical protestors are like and making fools of themselves. Calling for book burning & such. I tried to find stuff on youtube but haven't been successful.
That does it! The next time the left has a protest I'm going to get right in the middle and act civilized. :sneaky:
That does it! The next time the left has a protest I'm going to get right in the middle and act civilized. :sneaky:
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Clint;1175345 wrote: That does it! The next time the left has a protest I'm going to get right in the middle and act civilized. :sneaky:
I can just see the headline-Liberal wearing let's all get along T shirt starts riot.
I can just see the headline-Liberal wearing let's all get along T shirt starts riot.
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Clint;1175345 wrote: That does it! The next time the left has a protest I'm going to get right in the middle and act civilized. :sneaky:
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Ill bet you cant !
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Clodhopper;1175339 wrote: Originally Posted by gmc
Oscar replied:
I don't get the joke. You are standing for the British Fascist Party, aka the British National Party. Hitler was a Fascist. Griffin is a Fascist. You are supporting and standing for a political creed our parents and grandparents killed and died to destroy. No, my father, grandfather and uncles fought for my freedom in a democratic society where i had the right to vote for any bono fide registered political Party of my choosing.
As gmc posted on another htread, Britain may be investigated by Europe over Big Brother tactics, snooping on our e mails and google searches. That is the country that we are living in right now but you can't see the danger of where it's leading.
Oscar replied:
I don't get the joke. You are standing for the British Fascist Party, aka the British National Party. Hitler was a Fascist. Griffin is a Fascist. You are supporting and standing for a political creed our parents and grandparents killed and died to destroy. No, my father, grandfather and uncles fought for my freedom in a democratic society where i had the right to vote for any bono fide registered political Party of my choosing.
As gmc posted on another htread, Britain may be investigated by Europe over Big Brother tactics, snooping on our e mails and google searches. That is the country that we are living in right now but you can't see the danger of where it's leading.
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oscar;1175393 wrote: No, my father, grandfather and uncles fought for my freedom in a democratic society where i had the right to vote for any bono fide registered political Party of my choosing.
As gmc posted on another htread, Britain may be investigated by Europe over Big Brother tactics, snooping on our e mails and google searches. That is the country that we are living in right now but you can't see the danger of where it's leading.
I agree Big Brother everywhere = control
As gmc posted on another htread, Britain may be investigated by Europe over Big Brother tactics, snooping on our e mails and google searches. That is the country that we are living in right now but you can't see the danger of where it's leading.
I agree Big Brother everywhere = control
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As gmc posted on another htread, Britain may be investigated by Europe over Big Brother tactics, snooping on our e mails and google searches. That is the country that we are living in right now but you can't see the danger of where it's leading.
I am very concerned about where our country is going. My concern has caused me to become politically active again.
If the Fascist BNP gain power they will remove us from Europe so Europe could not investigate a case like this in a Fascist British future. At present we have human rights and are part of Europe, so Europe can investigate a perceived breach of our human rights. You seem to approve of this investigation.
I don't understand your logic: Europe acts to investigate big brother snooping on our emails etc and you approve, at the same time as actively standing for a party that wants to remove our human rights and remove us from Europe, thus making this sort of intervention impossible....
And you tell me I can't see the dangers of the direction we are going?????
I am very concerned about where our country is going. My concern has caused me to become politically active again.
If the Fascist BNP gain power they will remove us from Europe so Europe could not investigate a case like this in a Fascist British future. At present we have human rights and are part of Europe, so Europe can investigate a perceived breach of our human rights. You seem to approve of this investigation.
I don't understand your logic: Europe acts to investigate big brother snooping on our emails etc and you approve, at the same time as actively standing for a party that wants to remove our human rights and remove us from Europe, thus making this sort of intervention impossible....
And you tell me I can't see the dangers of the direction we are going?????
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No, my father, grandfather and uncles fought for my freedom in a democratic society where i had the right to vote for any bono fide registered political Party of my choosing.
And what they fought against were the forces that wished to deny you that right. Those forces were Fascist and evil. The BNP is a Fascist party led by Nick Griffin, who denies the Holocaust took place and was a member of the openly Fascist National Front, from which the BNP grew. Unlike Adams and the armed struggle (which you mentioned elsewhere), Griffin has never rejected Fascism and racism.
Therefore you are standing for and supporting the same evil forces our parents fought against.
And what they fought against were the forces that wished to deny you that right. Those forces were Fascist and evil. The BNP is a Fascist party led by Nick Griffin, who denies the Holocaust took place and was a member of the openly Fascist National Front, from which the BNP grew. Unlike Adams and the armed struggle (which you mentioned elsewhere), Griffin has never rejected Fascism and racism.
Therefore you are standing for and supporting the same evil forces our parents fought against.
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Clodhopper;1175412 wrote: I am very concerned about where our country is going. My concern has caused me to become politically active again.
If the Fascist BNP gain power they will remove us from Europe so Europe could not investigate a case like this in a Fascist British future. At present we have human rights and are part of Europe, so Europe can investigate a perceived breach of our human rights. You seem to approve of this investigation.
I don't understand your logic: Europe acts to investigate big brother snooping on our emails etc and you approve, at the same time as actively standing for a party that wants to remove our human rights and remove us from Europe, thus making this sort of intervention impossible....
And you tell me I can't see the dangers of the direction we are going?????
The country your living in right now has a police state that answers only to themselves. Police officers who remove their collar numbers to beat men and women in the street, remove cctv camera's around London during the G20 summit and abuse their arrest powers. How much worse do you think it's going to get?
The real threat to theis country is the fear that Labour, Consevative and Lib Dem MP's instill into the public about the BNP.
You asked me on another thread if i knew who Vince Cable was. Now have you actually researched BNP policies as i have with Lib dem policy?
On other threads, i repeatedly asked posters to comment on the UAF. Chezzie and gmc were the only one's who did. I apologise for repeating myself but as you seem to be so against the BNP, i will put the links on again here and perhaps you can answer me this time.
Taken from the Daily Mail article where Harriot Harmen came out and said the BNP were gaining power, she said the 'buses' of BNP 'busters' were travelling to BNP meetings to disrupt. And you don't think this is facist state and it's the BNP we should fear?
The UAF is supported and funded by Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MP's: This is what their buses of BNP busters do to disrupt a BNP meeting.
BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | BNP member attacked with hammer
This is what you think our families fought wars for do you?
This is not from some BNP website propoganda.....this is the BBC.
I could post the full list of MP's on this forum who are members of the UAF and support this but the list was sent to me in confidence. What i can tell you is that Lib dem MP's are on that list. As soon as the list came to light, Mp's were threatening to sue the BNP for showing their names. As they quite rightly pointed out to them..... Don't sue us..... sue the website that printed your name.
Why are these Mp's so worried about their names being exposed on a website for all to see if the UAF is not the thug operation we know it is?
Perhaps you'd like to comment.
If the Fascist BNP gain power they will remove us from Europe so Europe could not investigate a case like this in a Fascist British future. At present we have human rights and are part of Europe, so Europe can investigate a perceived breach of our human rights. You seem to approve of this investigation.
I don't understand your logic: Europe acts to investigate big brother snooping on our emails etc and you approve, at the same time as actively standing for a party that wants to remove our human rights and remove us from Europe, thus making this sort of intervention impossible....
And you tell me I can't see the dangers of the direction we are going?????
The country your living in right now has a police state that answers only to themselves. Police officers who remove their collar numbers to beat men and women in the street, remove cctv camera's around London during the G20 summit and abuse their arrest powers. How much worse do you think it's going to get?
The real threat to theis country is the fear that Labour, Consevative and Lib Dem MP's instill into the public about the BNP.
You asked me on another thread if i knew who Vince Cable was. Now have you actually researched BNP policies as i have with Lib dem policy?
On other threads, i repeatedly asked posters to comment on the UAF. Chezzie and gmc were the only one's who did. I apologise for repeating myself but as you seem to be so against the BNP, i will put the links on again here and perhaps you can answer me this time.
Taken from the Daily Mail article where Harriot Harmen came out and said the BNP were gaining power, she said the 'buses' of BNP 'busters' were travelling to BNP meetings to disrupt. And you don't think this is facist state and it's the BNP we should fear?
The UAF is supported and funded by Labour, Conservative and Lib Dem MP's: This is what their buses of BNP busters do to disrupt a BNP meeting.
BBC NEWS | England | Manchester | BNP member attacked with hammer
This is what you think our families fought wars for do you?
This is not from some BNP website propoganda.....this is the BBC.
I could post the full list of MP's on this forum who are members of the UAF and support this but the list was sent to me in confidence. What i can tell you is that Lib dem MP's are on that list. As soon as the list came to light, Mp's were threatening to sue the BNP for showing their names. As they quite rightly pointed out to them..... Don't sue us..... sue the website that printed your name.
Why are these Mp's so worried about their names being exposed on a website for all to see if the UAF is not the thug operation we know it is?
Perhaps you'd like to comment.
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I've pretty much stopped posting on other things because I'm spending my time on FG responding to your queries and comments not to mention the things I should be doing when I'm not on here! Gimme a break!
So far every bit of evidence you've given me to look at or thgat I've gone to research has been shown to be thoroughly dodgy - the guy who claimed "only" the BNP made something happen, and despite you talking to the people involved you can't tell me if he actually asked anyone else for help, or the EU "Law" that wasn't.
Then you drop it and move on to the next thing. You haven't denied you support a Fascist Party and that you approve of the EU investigating people snooping on our emails in breach of human right to privacy yet you want to leave the EU and I've seen you and pantoandy on a number of threads suggesting our human rights should be removed!
I'll get to the UAF in due course, but if gmc and Chezzie have commented I trust their judgement. Why do you need me to comment as well?
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
Look at the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in 1920s and '30s Germany - we seem in this country to be taking a frightening similar path in that scared and worried people are being attracted to simplistic extremes. I do not want this country to end up like Nazi Germany and I believe that is where the BNP would take us.
Fascist=evil and I will have no part of it and I will oppose it utterly and forever.
So far every bit of evidence you've given me to look at or thgat I've gone to research has been shown to be thoroughly dodgy - the guy who claimed "only" the BNP made something happen, and despite you talking to the people involved you can't tell me if he actually asked anyone else for help, or the EU "Law" that wasn't.
Then you drop it and move on to the next thing. You haven't denied you support a Fascist Party and that you approve of the EU investigating people snooping on our emails in breach of human right to privacy yet you want to leave the EU and I've seen you and pantoandy on a number of threads suggesting our human rights should be removed!
I'll get to the UAF in due course, but if gmc and Chezzie have commented I trust their judgement. Why do you need me to comment as well?
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
Look at the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in 1920s and '30s Germany - we seem in this country to be taking a frightening similar path in that scared and worried people are being attracted to simplistic extremes. I do not want this country to end up like Nazi Germany and I believe that is where the BNP would take us.
Fascist=evil and I will have no part of it and I will oppose it utterly and forever.
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What do you expect people to say ? Whether they are members of UAF, BNP or the Womens Institute, any form of violence is condemned. Why do you think anyone here would condone the attacking of anyone with a hammer ? I don't.
Its not a great stretch of the imagination to understand why people have such strong feelings against a Fascist orginistation. Many of those feelings have been voiced here on these boards. We've seen first hand, what fascists are capable of in recent history. I'd like an example from any point in history where you can point to a fascist state and show what a successful, benevolent period it was. When was it ever successful other than the destruction of peoples themselves ?
Its not a great stretch of the imagination to understand why people have such strong feelings against a Fascist orginistation. Many of those feelings have been voiced here on these boards. We've seen first hand, what fascists are capable of in recent history. I'd like an example from any point in history where you can point to a fascist state and show what a successful, benevolent period it was. When was it ever successful other than the destruction of peoples themselves ?
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Clodhopper;1175495 wrote: I've pretty much stopped posting on other things because I'm spending my time on FG responding to your queries and comments not to mention the things I should be doing when I'm not on here! Gimme a break!
So far every bit of evidence you've given me to look at or thgat I've gone to research has been shown to be thoroughly dodgy - the guy who claimed "only" the BNP made something happen, and despite you talking to the people involved you can't tell me if he actually asked anyone else for help, or the EU "Law" that wasn't.
Then you drop it and move on to the next thing. You haven't denied you support a Fascist Party and that you approve of the EU investigating people snooping on our emails in breach of human right to privacy yet you want to leave the EU and I've seen you and pantoandy on a number of threads suggesting our human rights should be removed!
I'll get to the UAF in due course, but if gmc and Chezzie have commented I trust their judgement. Why do you need me to comment as well?
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
Look at the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in 1920s and '30s Germany - we seem in this country to be taking a frightening similar path in that scared and worried people are being attracted to simplistic extremes. I do not want this country to end up like Nazi Germany and I believe that is where the BNP would take us.
Fascist=evil and I will have no part of it and I will oppose it utterly and forever.
Give you a break??
So what you are saying is that you can post what you like about Nick Griffin and make accusations about their policies without actually researching them but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself?
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
So far every bit of evidence you've given me to look at or thgat I've gone to research has been shown to be thoroughly dodgy - the guy who claimed "only" the BNP made something happen, and despite you talking to the people involved you can't tell me if he actually asked anyone else for help, or the EU "Law" that wasn't.
Then you drop it and move on to the next thing. You haven't denied you support a Fascist Party and that you approve of the EU investigating people snooping on our emails in breach of human right to privacy yet you want to leave the EU and I've seen you and pantoandy on a number of threads suggesting our human rights should be removed!
I'll get to the UAF in due course, but if gmc and Chezzie have commented I trust their judgement. Why do you need me to comment as well?
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
Look at the rise of Hitler and the Nazis in 1920s and '30s Germany - we seem in this country to be taking a frightening similar path in that scared and worried people are being attracted to simplistic extremes. I do not want this country to end up like Nazi Germany and I believe that is where the BNP would take us.
Fascist=evil and I will have no part of it and I will oppose it utterly and forever.
Give you a break??
So what you are saying is that you can post what you like about Nick Griffin and make accusations about their policies without actually researching them but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself?
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
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oscar;1175522 wrote:
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
So having one or two good policies makes all the rest acceptable does it ? Mussolini couldn't have been all bad cos he made the trains run on time. We'll forgive him the rest
Thats because they are. What, in that statement, is there to argue ?
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
So having one or two good policies makes all the rest acceptable does it ? Mussolini couldn't have been all bad cos he made the trains run on time. We'll forgive him the rest
Thats because they are. What, in that statement, is there to argue ?
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oscar;1175522 wrote: Give you a break??
So what you are saying is that you can post what you like about Nick Griffin and make accusations about their policies without actually researching them but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself?
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
I think i am guilty of repeating that old clap trap as well
:yh_rotfl but you know what?? some of the things you have said, i have heard before,, exact same sentences and quotes etc,, from people who support BNP, knowing i am totally oppposed and trying to sway me, to the point that i wonder if new members are given a script?This makes me even more suspicious
So what you are saying is that you can post what you like about Nick Griffin and make accusations about their policies without actually researching them but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself?
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
I think i am guilty of repeating that old clap trap as well
:yh_rotfl but you know what?? some of the things you have said, i have heard before,, exact same sentences and quotes etc,, from people who support BNP, knowing i am totally oppposed and trying to sway me, to the point that i wonder if new members are given a script?This makes me even more suspiciousFOC THREAD PART1
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Snowfire;1175527 wrote: So having one or two good policies makes all the rest acceptable does it ? Mussolini couldn't have been all bad cos he made the trains run on time. We'll forgive him the rest
Thats because they are. What, in that statement, is there to argue ? In any Party you will get policies that you disgaree with. As a member of the Labour party for years, there was much i disagreed on but in the main, they had the most policies that i did actually agree with. It's the same with the Tories, the Lid Dems, the Green party.... whoever. There are a few policies in each that i do agree with but not enough for me to want to vote for them. I'm sure most people are the same as me if they were honest. Very often in stealth Parties, by joining you can actually debate and change a policy you dis-agree with before they become main stream. It's exactly the same with any party but our main parties to me simply ni longer listen to the people who are voting for them.
Thats because they are. What, in that statement, is there to argue ? In any Party you will get policies that you disgaree with. As a member of the Labour party for years, there was much i disagreed on but in the main, they had the most policies that i did actually agree with. It's the same with the Tories, the Lid Dems, the Green party.... whoever. There are a few policies in each that i do agree with but not enough for me to want to vote for them. I'm sure most people are the same as me if they were honest. Very often in stealth Parties, by joining you can actually debate and change a policy you dis-agree with before they become main stream. It's exactly the same with any party but our main parties to me simply ni longer listen to the people who are voting for them.
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kazalala;1175531 wrote: I think i am guilty of repeating that old clap trap as well:yh_rotfl but you know what?? some of the things you have said, i have heard before,, exact same sentences and quotes etc,, from people who support BNP, knowing i am totally oppposed and trying to sway me, to the point that i wonder if new members are given a script?This makes me even more suspicious Yes, there is a bunch of nazi's standing behind me with clubs as i type :yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl but you know what?? some of the things you have said, i have heard before,, exact same sentences and quotes etc,, from people who support BNP, knowing i am totally oppposed and trying to sway me, to the point that i wonder if new members are given a script?This makes me even more suspicious Yes, there is a bunch of nazi's standing behind me with clubs as i type :yh_rotflAt the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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oscar;1175536 wrote: Yes, there is a bunch of nazi's standing behind me with clubs as i type :yh_rotfl
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfli dont mean like that silly ,,, but honestly its scary the 3 times i have spoken to a BNP member the exact same things that are said:-3
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfli dont mean like that silly ,,, but honestly its scary the 3 times i have spoken to a BNP member the exact same things that are said:-3
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kazalala;1175538 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfli dont mean like that silly ,,, but honestly its scary the 3 times i have spoken to a BNP member the exact same things that are said:-3 :wah:They probably have the same manifesto i have :sneaky::sneaky:
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oscar;1175533 wrote: In any Party you will get policies that you disgaree with. As a member of the Labour party for years, there was much i disagreed on but in the main, they had the most policies that i did actually agree with. It's the same with the Tories, the Lid Dems, the Green party.... whoever. There are a few policies in each that i do agree with but not enough for me to want to vote for them. I'm sure most people are the same as me if they were honest. Very often in stealth Parties, by joining you can actually debate and change a policy you dis-agree with before they become main stream. It's exactly the same with any party but our main parties to me simply ni longer listen to the people who are voting for them.
I totally agree. Most people are floating voters precisley because of this. I just find it hard to believe you would leap so far to the right. Its not even if you stopped off at the The Monday Club first on the way through :rolleyes:
So even you must admit there are aspects of the BNP that you find extreme. I dont believe any amount of debate will change these peoples minds into anything remotely mainstream, unless it is purely to sanitise the parts that most would find objectionable. Its like convincing me I should be a Gooner. Not this side of never, ever mate.
I totally agree. Most people are floating voters precisley because of this. I just find it hard to believe you would leap so far to the right. Its not even if you stopped off at the The Monday Club first on the way through :rolleyes:
So even you must admit there are aspects of the BNP that you find extreme. I dont believe any amount of debate will change these peoples minds into anything remotely mainstream, unless it is purely to sanitise the parts that most would find objectionable. Its like convincing me I should be a Gooner. Not this side of never, ever mate.
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kazalala;1175538 wrote: :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfli dont mean like that silly ,,, but honestly its scary the 3 times i have spoken to a BNP member the exact same things that are said:-3 You've spoken to 3 BNP members??:eek::eek::eek:
Carefull Kaz......they'll be measuring you up for your Doc Martins and shaving your head before you know it
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oscar;1175545 wrote: You've spoken to 3 BNP members??:eek::eek::eek:
Carefull Kaz......they'll be measuring you up for your Doc Martins and shaving your head before you know it
well one was years ago,,, the other was about a year ago and now you:D
Carefull Kaz......they'll be measuring you up for your Doc Martins and shaving your head before you know it
well one was years ago,,, the other was about a year ago and now you:D
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Snowfire;1175544 wrote: I totally agree. Most people are floating voters precisley because of this. I just find it hard to believe you would leap so far to the right. Its not even if you stopped off at the The Monday Club first on the way through :rolleyes:
So even you must admit there are aspects of the BNP that you find extreme. I dont believe any amount of debate will change these peoples minds into anything remotely mainstream, unless it is purely to sanitise the parts that most would find objectionable. Its like convincing me I should be a Gooner. Not this side of never, ever mate.
Yes, there are two policies of the BNP, well nearly three actually, that i don't agree with but on balance, it's a heck of a lot less than i disagree with in main stream Parties. The one's that i do not agree with, i have bothered to actually discuss with the party to see if there are any future plans to bring them more into mainstream. If there was a closed door and no option for debate or discussion, I'd not have considered them.
So even you must admit there are aspects of the BNP that you find extreme. I dont believe any amount of debate will change these peoples minds into anything remotely mainstream, unless it is purely to sanitise the parts that most would find objectionable. Its like convincing me I should be a Gooner. Not this side of never, ever mate.
Yes, there are two policies of the BNP, well nearly three actually, that i don't agree with but on balance, it's a heck of a lot less than i disagree with in main stream Parties. The one's that i do not agree with, i have bothered to actually discuss with the party to see if there are any future plans to bring them more into mainstream. If there was a closed door and no option for debate or discussion, I'd not have considered them.
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kazalala;1175547 wrote: well one was years ago,,, the other was about a year ago and now you:D When i said that i had a bunch of nazi's standing behind me as i type, Mr O has just said that's no way to talk about the family :yh_rotfl
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oscar;1175549 wrote: Yes, there are two policies of the BNP, well nearly three actually, that i don't agree with but on balance, it's a heck of a lot less than i disagree with in main stream Parties. The one's that i do not agree with, i have bothered to actually discuss with the party to see if there are any future plans to bring them more into mainstream. If there was a closed door and no option for debate or discussion, I'd not have considered them.
well there might be an option for debate and discussion,,, but Nick has the final say dont he? He can overrule?
anyway,, by the way.... how did they win you over Oscar,,, bet they concentrated on their policies on crime:sneaky::D
well there might be an option for debate and discussion,,, but Nick has the final say dont he? He can overrule?
anyway,, by the way.... how did they win you over Oscar,,, bet they concentrated on their policies on crime:sneaky::D
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kazalala;1175551 wrote: well there might be an option for debate and discussion,,, but Nick has the final say dont he? He can overrule?
anyway,, by the way.... how did they win you over Oscar,,, bet they concentrated on their policies on crime:sneaky::D oooooo you are cutting Kaz :yh_rotfl
The truth is, I have been in no-mans land for just over a year after i cancelled my Labour party membership.
For all that time, i have looked at all the Parties as an option even the Tories but that didn't last long.
As i said earlier, if i weighed up all the policies that i like and don't like from each party, there is good policy and bad policy in every one of them. Half of them nick each others idea's anyway. There are BNP policies that i'm not in full agreemant with but they are far less than any other party i've looked into.
anyway,, by the way.... how did they win you over Oscar,,, bet they concentrated on their policies on crime:sneaky::D oooooo you are cutting Kaz :yh_rotfl
The truth is, I have been in no-mans land for just over a year after i cancelled my Labour party membership.
For all that time, i have looked at all the Parties as an option even the Tories but that didn't last long.
As i said earlier, if i weighed up all the policies that i like and don't like from each party, there is good policy and bad policy in every one of them. Half of them nick each others idea's anyway. There are BNP policies that i'm not in full agreemant with but they are far less than any other party i've looked into.
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oscar;1175553 wrote: oooooo you are cutting Kaz :yh_rotfl
The truth is, I have been in no-mans land for just over a year after i cancelled my Labour party membership.
For all that time, i have looked at all the Parties as an option even the Tories but that didn't last long.
As i said earlier, if i weighed up all the policies that i like and don't like from each party, there is good policy and bad policy in every one of them. Half of them nick each others idea's anyway. There are BNP policies that i'm not in full agreemant with but they are far less than any other party i've looked into.
Start yer own party then:sneaky:so if all of them have parts you agree with and parts you dont,,, why did you decide on the BNP?... what positive made you pick them above the rest? or what policies did you disagree with even more than the ones you disagreed with at BNP(if ye know what i mean:o)... Or... is it because they asked you to stand?:sneaky::D
The truth is, I have been in no-mans land for just over a year after i cancelled my Labour party membership.
For all that time, i have looked at all the Parties as an option even the Tories but that didn't last long.
As i said earlier, if i weighed up all the policies that i like and don't like from each party, there is good policy and bad policy in every one of them. Half of them nick each others idea's anyway. There are BNP policies that i'm not in full agreemant with but they are far less than any other party i've looked into.
Start yer own party then:sneaky:so if all of them have parts you agree with and parts you dont,,, why did you decide on the BNP?... what positive made you pick them above the rest? or what policies did you disagree with even more than the ones you disagreed with at BNP(if ye know what i mean:o)... Or... is it because they asked you to stand?:sneaky::D
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oscar;1175536 wrote: Yes, there is a bunch of nazi's standing behind me with clubs as i type :yh_rotfl
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kazalala;1175555 wrote: Start yer own party then:sneaky:so if all of them have parts you agree with and parts you dont,,, why did you decide on the BNP?... what positive made you pick them above the rest? or what policies did you disagree with even more than the ones you disagreed with at BNP(if ye know what i mean:o)... Or... is it because they asked you to stand?:sneaky::D No, it's not because i can stand. I can do that as an Independent in my own area in the General Election if i wanted to. I am just not the sort of person that sways easily or puts up. I don't think there's a man alive that could get me to do something that i don't want to do. But to list BNP policy that i disagree with and agree with? I'm not giving that much away on here about myself. :sneaky: I will say that i like their policy on building on greenbelt and animal rights for two
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oscar;1175557 wrote: No, it's not because i can stand. I can do that as an Independent in my own area in the General Election if i wanted to. I am just not the sort of person that sways easily or puts up. I don't think there's a man alive that could get me to do something that i don't want to do. But to list BNP policy that i disagree with and agree with? I'm not giving that much away on here about myself. :sneaky: I will say that i like their policy on building on greenbelt and animal rights for two
so the bits you do not agree with are not as bad as the ones you disagree with in other parties?
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP?
I'm not giving that much away on here about myself. :sneaky: I will say that i like their policy on building on greenbelt and animal rights for two so the bits you do not agree with are not as bad as the ones you disagree with in other parties?
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP?
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So what you are saying is that you can post what you like about Nick Griffin and make accusations about their policies without actually researching them
I have been researching. It takes time. NB You still haven't told me if the guy who said "only" the BNP helped him asked anyone else - and you are the one with access to the relevant people.
but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself? As I said, I'll get to it - when I'm not filling my time replying to posts like this!
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
The police are not allowed to comment on a case that is sub judice. If they did, the accused would be released because the police had not followed correct procedure. It is called getting off on a technicality. So I turned to a person who claimed to have contact with the actual people involved and she hasn't answered yet. I find it deeply suspicious. The original article that I researched did not mention any other organisation that this man was supposed to have contacted to get help. Why not? If the Tories or Labour had refused to act it would be an absolute coup for the BNP, but they don't say that. I find it deeply suspicious.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
I have said that I'm sure if we look enough we'll find something the BNP has done right because they can't surely bog up everything they touch.
And don't you claim I don't answer your points! You were the one who pointed me at the article about the man who claimed "only" the BNP helped him and I'm still trying to get an answer on the matter, and more detail from S Yorks Police who should have phoned me yesterday or today but they haven't so I'll phone them tomorrow and see what else I can get. Whole matter of that article has been referred to their legal department. Have no idea if they'll take further action on it or not. (I'd be surprised if the BNP has been stupid enough to say anything that was proveably libellous, but you never know...)
And I'll keep saying the BNP and Nick Griffin are a bunch of Fascists, because they are! If you don't like it, well, you shouldn't have joined a Fascist Nazi Hitlerite Party!
I notice you don't deny what I said above:
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
You just ignore what you don't like and move the next bit of propaganda.
Now, I'm going to make a cup of tea and some supper, then I'll come back and see what's been posted while I was away and deal with it as necessary, and then I might have a chance to look at the UAF stuff. Or I might decide I've had enough for one day and go to bed.
I have been researching. It takes time. NB You still haven't told me if the guy who said "only" the BNP helped him asked anyone else - and you are the one with access to the relevant people.
but when I ask you to comment on the thug organisation that some of your Lib Dem MP's support, you decline to reply yourself? As I said, I'll get to it - when I'm not filling my time replying to posts like this!
As i understood it from your post, you rang Yorkshire police about the case of grooming young British girls and you were told that they couldn't comment on an on-going trial. So how exactly, is that story a lie? Because you DON'T want to believe it. The police did not deny it though did they? You would also have known nothing about it had i have not posted the link..... exactly the way the police and government want you to be.
The police are not allowed to comment on a case that is sub judice. If they did, the accused would be released because the police had not followed correct procedure. It is called getting off on a technicality. So I turned to a person who claimed to have contact with the actual people involved and she hasn't answered yet. I find it deeply suspicious. The original article that I researched did not mention any other organisation that this man was supposed to have contacted to get help. Why not? If the Tories or Labour had refused to act it would be an absolute coup for the BNP, but they don't say that. I find it deeply suspicious.
When ever i post parallels from BNP policy to Labour policy and present government policy, you don't answer, you can't answer in any way other than keep repeating the BNP is a fascist organisation. That's your only argument.
On another thread, Chezzie has said she has looked at BNP policy and agrees that some are good policy however they are a little too far right for her liking. She is the kind of poster i have the utmost respect for...... some-one who actually bothers to research not just continually repeat the same old clap trap about the BNP being fascists.
I have said that I'm sure if we look enough we'll find something the BNP has done right because they can't surely bog up everything they touch.
And don't you claim I don't answer your points! You were the one who pointed me at the article about the man who claimed "only" the BNP helped him and I'm still trying to get an answer on the matter, and more detail from S Yorks Police who should have phoned me yesterday or today but they haven't so I'll phone them tomorrow and see what else I can get. Whole matter of that article has been referred to their legal department. Have no idea if they'll take further action on it or not. (I'd be surprised if the BNP has been stupid enough to say anything that was proveably libellous, but you never know...)
And I'll keep saying the BNP and Nick Griffin are a bunch of Fascists, because they are! If you don't like it, well, you shouldn't have joined a Fascist Nazi Hitlerite Party!
I notice you don't deny what I said above:
So far we've established that the BNP is a Fascist party led by a Fascist.
That the BNP is racist and wishes to deport non whites.
That the BNP wishes to remove our Human Rights.
That 100% of the evidence I've looked at presented by you and pantoandy showing how great the BNP is has turned out to be lies and half-truths.
You just ignore what you don't like and move the next bit of propaganda.
Now, I'm going to make a cup of tea and some supper, then I'll come back and see what's been posted while I was away and deal with it as necessary, and then I might have a chance to look at the UAF stuff. Or I might decide I've had enough for one day and go to bed.
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Clodhopper;1175570 wrote:
The police are not allowed to comment on a case that is sub judice. If they did, the accused would be released because the police had not followed correct procedure. It is called getting off on a technicality. So I turned to a person who claimed to have contact with the actual people involved and she hasn't answered yet. I find it deeply suspicious. The original article that I researched did not mention any other organisation that this man was supposed to have contacted to get help. Why not? If the Tories or Labour had refused to act it would be an absolute coup for the BNP, but they don't say that. I find it deeply suspicious.
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Trust me, I am the last person you need to quote sub judice law at :wah:
There has been more than one case involving Asian men preying on young British girls. If you don't believe the BNP 'Propaganda' perhaps you'll believe the Times
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Mothers of prevention - Times Online
Or is this article bollocks as well?
Likewise Clodd, us rascist, fascist neo-nazi's :rolleyes::rolleyes: must break for supper.
The police are not allowed to comment on a case that is sub judice. If they did, the accused would be released because the police had not followed correct procedure. It is called getting off on a technicality. So I turned to a person who claimed to have contact with the actual people involved and she hasn't answered yet. I find it deeply suspicious. The original article that I researched did not mention any other organisation that this man was supposed to have contacted to get help. Why not? If the Tories or Labour had refused to act it would be an absolute coup for the BNP, but they don't say that. I find it deeply suspicious.
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Trust me, I am the last person you need to quote sub judice law at :wah:
There has been more than one case involving Asian men preying on young British girls. If you don't believe the BNP 'Propaganda' perhaps you'll believe the Times
Newspaper.
Mothers of prevention - Times Online
Or is this article bollocks as well?
Likewise Clodd, us rascist, fascist neo-nazi's :rolleyes::rolleyes: must break for supper.
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kazalala;1175564 wrote: so the bits you do not agree with are not as bad as the ones you disagree with in other parties?
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP? I'm not avoiding your post Kaz but it's supper time in the Oscar house and the 'Apprentice' is on soon. Will get back to you.
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP? I'm not avoiding your post Kaz but it's supper time in the Oscar house and the 'Apprentice' is on soon. Will get back to you.
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kazalala;1175564 wrote: so the bits you do not agree with are not as bad as the ones you disagree with in other parties?
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP?
Correct----- the parts i do not agree with whole-heartedly are not as bad as the policies i dis-agree with in other parties. I also believe there could be room to bring those into line with main stream Parties as they gain power.
I like their policies on policing and education for another two.
sorry what i meant was not to ask you to say exactly what you disagreed with at BNP,,, but i was just thinking there must have been something to attract you there .. or the policies you disagreed with at other parties were in your opinion worse than the ones you didnt really like at BNP?
Correct----- the parts i do not agree with whole-heartedly are not as bad as the policies i dis-agree with in other parties. I also believe there could be room to bring those into line with main stream Parties as they gain power.
I like their policies on policing and education for another two.
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oscar;1175654 wrote: Correct----- the parts i do not agree with whole-heartedly are not as bad as the policies i dis-agree with in other parties. I also believe there could be room to bring those into line with main stream Parties as they gain power.
I like their policies on policing and education for another two.
So once elected all their principles go out the window and they just go with the flow?
I like their policies on policing and education for another two.
So once elected all their principles go out the window and they just go with the flow?
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UAF = Unite Against Fascists. The article below is taken from their website.
Unite Against Fascism Statement on the events in Leigh on Friday 13th March
Last Friday evening, UAF supporters from across the North West organised a protest with local anti-fascists near to the supposed venue of the British National Party’s latest “Battle for Britain meeting in Leigh, Greater Manchester. As the evening went on the UAF protest numbered 70-plus, including trade unionists, students and local people.
The landlord of the proposed venue had in fact cancelled the BNP’s booking, following protests from a range of local people, including bar staff at a nearby pub. Despite the cancellation of the venue, members of the Nazi BNP still arrived with their ‘Battle for Britain’ Land Rover and trailer AND PHYSICALLY ATTACKED THE DEMO. This is now part of a complaint that Unite Against Fascism (UAF) has made to the greater Manchester police. Local people were clearly furious at having the Nazi propaganda-trailer on their street. As well as protesting, several demonstrators took the time to distribute UAF’s ‘Use Your Vote On June 4th’ material to members of the public.
Despite these attempts by the Nazi thugs to intimidate anti-fascists, the protestors succeeded in driving the BNP away. The Nazis were clearly humiliated after their planned big “Battle for Britain Roadshow ended in a shambles. This follows on the success of anti-fascists stopping the BNP road show in other parts of Britain such as South Gloucester.
The counter-protest on Friday was called by Unite Against Fascism because it is important to show that the BNP are not merely another right-wing political party but are in fact a Nazi Party. This was graphically underlined when Nazi thugs attacked anti-fascists with steel bars and broken anti-fascist placards. Fascism is a movement of violence and as such it tries always to create violence. On Friday, Nazi thugs brought violence onto the streets of Leigh, attacking local people and anti-fascists who objected to their presence.
Our response to the violence of fascism is based on mass action rather than small individual confrontations. We know that the BNP’s racism and fascism is opposed by the vast majority of people and we need to mobilise them against the BNP so that they won’t be able to bring violence to the streets again. That means that mobilising greater numbers of people to actively oppose the Nazis becomes ever more important. UAF emphasises the central importance of mass collective protests to block the BNP whenever they try and take to the streets or hold public meetings. We seek to build a movement involving everyone against fascism – be they trade unionists, the young and old, community activists and faith groups.
In the run up to the European Elections on June 4th we must continue to build such a movement.
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Link to their homepage:
Unite Against Fascism - stopping the rise of the BNP and the extreme right
Unite Against Fascism Statement on the events in Leigh on Friday 13th March
Last Friday evening, UAF supporters from across the North West organised a protest with local anti-fascists near to the supposed venue of the British National Party’s latest “Battle for Britain meeting in Leigh, Greater Manchester. As the evening went on the UAF protest numbered 70-plus, including trade unionists, students and local people.
The landlord of the proposed venue had in fact cancelled the BNP’s booking, following protests from a range of local people, including bar staff at a nearby pub. Despite the cancellation of the venue, members of the Nazi BNP still arrived with their ‘Battle for Britain’ Land Rover and trailer AND PHYSICALLY ATTACKED THE DEMO. This is now part of a complaint that Unite Against Fascism (UAF) has made to the greater Manchester police. Local people were clearly furious at having the Nazi propaganda-trailer on their street. As well as protesting, several demonstrators took the time to distribute UAF’s ‘Use Your Vote On June 4th’ material to members of the public.
Despite these attempts by the Nazi thugs to intimidate anti-fascists, the protestors succeeded in driving the BNP away. The Nazis were clearly humiliated after their planned big “Battle for Britain Roadshow ended in a shambles. This follows on the success of anti-fascists stopping the BNP road show in other parts of Britain such as South Gloucester.
The counter-protest on Friday was called by Unite Against Fascism because it is important to show that the BNP are not merely another right-wing political party but are in fact a Nazi Party. This was graphically underlined when Nazi thugs attacked anti-fascists with steel bars and broken anti-fascist placards. Fascism is a movement of violence and as such it tries always to create violence. On Friday, Nazi thugs brought violence onto the streets of Leigh, attacking local people and anti-fascists who objected to their presence.
Our response to the violence of fascism is based on mass action rather than small individual confrontations. We know that the BNP’s racism and fascism is opposed by the vast majority of people and we need to mobilise them against the BNP so that they won’t be able to bring violence to the streets again. That means that mobilising greater numbers of people to actively oppose the Nazis becomes ever more important. UAF emphasises the central importance of mass collective protests to block the BNP whenever they try and take to the streets or hold public meetings. We seek to build a movement involving everyone against fascism – be they trade unionists, the young and old, community activists and faith groups.
In the run up to the European Elections on June 4th we must continue to build such a movement.
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Have now had a reply from S Yorks police. They told me that the current situation was that a number of people were on bail for the offence while a decision from the Crown Prosecution Service about whether to proceed was taken. (Just to give you the latest info).
The Inspector I spoke to said that the claims of the BNP that the Police only acted when forced to by the BNP going public were (in his words) "complete rubbish". He said his Sergeant had been working for months on this case and he was upset (actually, "disgusted" would be a better description) on his behalf that the BNP should step in at the last minute and try to take the credit. He wanted to reply to the BNP article, but his Superintendent disagreed and said it would only give them the oxygen of publicity. I had the impression the Inspector was pushing it a bit telling me this much.
Certainly it was more than I could get out of Greater Manchester Police, who refused to tell me anything at all about the UAF's complaint that they were attacked.
So this BNP claim about the Police not acting until pushed by the BNP is firmly denied by the Police Force in question.
I am now trying to get in touch with the mainstream political parties in the area to see whether they really were approached in the matter, as the BNP article implies. I'm starting with Labour, since the constituency is represented by a Labour MP.
The Inspector I spoke to said that the claims of the BNP that the Police only acted when forced to by the BNP going public were (in his words) "complete rubbish". He said his Sergeant had been working for months on this case and he was upset (actually, "disgusted" would be a better description) on his behalf that the BNP should step in at the last minute and try to take the credit. He wanted to reply to the BNP article, but his Superintendent disagreed and said it would only give them the oxygen of publicity. I had the impression the Inspector was pushing it a bit telling me this much.
Certainly it was more than I could get out of Greater Manchester Police, who refused to tell me anything at all about the UAF's complaint that they were attacked.
So this BNP claim about the Police not acting until pushed by the BNP is firmly denied by the Police Force in question.
I am now trying to get in touch with the mainstream political parties in the area to see whether they really were approached in the matter, as the BNP article implies. I'm starting with Labour, since the constituency is represented by a Labour MP.
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Clodhopper;1175854 wrote: Have now had a reply from S Yorks police. They told me that the current situation was that a number of people were on bail for the offence while a decision from the Crown Prosecution Service about whether to proceed was taken. (Just to give you the latest info).
The Inspector I spoke to said that the claims of the BNP that the Police only acted when forced to by the BNP going public were (in his words) "complete rubbish". He said his Sergeant had been working for months on this case and he was upset (actually, "disgusted" would be a better description) on his behalf that the BNP should step in at the last minute and try to take the credit. He wanted to reply to the BNP article, but his Superintendent disagreed and said it would only give them the oxygen of publicity. I had the impression the Inspector was pushing it a bit telling me this much.
Certainly it was more than I could get out of Greater Manchester Police, who refused to tell me anything at all about the UAF's complaint that they were attacked.
So this BNP claim about the Police not acting until pushed by the BNP is firmly denied by the Police Force in question.
I am now trying to get in touch with the mainstream political parties in the area to see whether they really were approached in the matter, as the BNP article implies. I'm starting with Labour, since the constituency is represented by a Labour MP.
I will reply to your post as you replied to one of my previous posts. When i first posted the story of the trial, you said you viewed my source of imformation as suspicious. Equally, why should i consider anything you claim has been said to you on the phone by an officer who appears to have broken sub judice law? Perhaps you'd like to give me his name and i'll do the rest?
Did you actually read the article from 'The Times' that i posted? As if you did, you would have read the questions put forward as to why the police were so reluctant to make this issue public and indeed, actually confront the issue.
Here is another article for you taken from The Times if you glossed over the last one:
Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed - Times Online
Of course the police, government or authorities of any description do not want the BNP having the publicity or the credit. Perhaps you should phone your officer again and recite the previous 'Times' article and actually ask them why they were so reluctant to investigate in the first place to the point where the mothers of these girls had to form an action group to get some-thing done? Let's see what he has to say on that score or will he be 'disgusted' that 'The Times' newspaper has reported that they were doing bugger all about it? The truth is, no-one wanted this issue going public and had it not of been for me posting it here, you would still be blissfully in the dark.
I don't actually give a stuff weather the mothers of the girls, the BNP or the police take credit for it. This is not what it is about. I am just pleased that this has been dealt with and exposed for the safety of the girls. Who gets the credit is actually piffling to me. It is the reluctance of the police to act initially that concerned me.
The Inspector I spoke to said that the claims of the BNP that the Police only acted when forced to by the BNP going public were (in his words) "complete rubbish". He said his Sergeant had been working for months on this case and he was upset (actually, "disgusted" would be a better description) on his behalf that the BNP should step in at the last minute and try to take the credit. He wanted to reply to the BNP article, but his Superintendent disagreed and said it would only give them the oxygen of publicity. I had the impression the Inspector was pushing it a bit telling me this much.
Certainly it was more than I could get out of Greater Manchester Police, who refused to tell me anything at all about the UAF's complaint that they were attacked.
So this BNP claim about the Police not acting until pushed by the BNP is firmly denied by the Police Force in question.
I am now trying to get in touch with the mainstream political parties in the area to see whether they really were approached in the matter, as the BNP article implies. I'm starting with Labour, since the constituency is represented by a Labour MP.
I will reply to your post as you replied to one of my previous posts. When i first posted the story of the trial, you said you viewed my source of imformation as suspicious. Equally, why should i consider anything you claim has been said to you on the phone by an officer who appears to have broken sub judice law? Perhaps you'd like to give me his name and i'll do the rest?
Did you actually read the article from 'The Times' that i posted? As if you did, you would have read the questions put forward as to why the police were so reluctant to make this issue public and indeed, actually confront the issue.
Here is another article for you taken from The Times if you glossed over the last one:
Grooming of white girls for sex is exposed as two Asian men jailed - Times Online
Of course the police, government or authorities of any description do not want the BNP having the publicity or the credit. Perhaps you should phone your officer again and recite the previous 'Times' article and actually ask them why they were so reluctant to investigate in the first place to the point where the mothers of these girls had to form an action group to get some-thing done? Let's see what he has to say on that score or will he be 'disgusted' that 'The Times' newspaper has reported that they were doing bugger all about it? The truth is, no-one wanted this issue going public and had it not of been for me posting it here, you would still be blissfully in the dark.
I don't actually give a stuff weather the mothers of the girls, the BNP or the police take credit for it. This is not what it is about. I am just pleased that this has been dealt with and exposed for the safety of the girls. Who gets the credit is actually piffling to me. It is the reluctance of the police to act initially that concerned me.
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He did not break police procedure. He told me the sort of thing he wanted to reply to the original article you mentioned but his Super thought it unwise.
And no, I certainly will not give you his name. You represent a fascist party that glorifies violence. Here are a few of your colleagues, according to Panorama:
Andy McLorie
Position: Regional organiser for Ulster
1986 - Sentenced to two years in jail following a petrol bomb attack on the home of an RUC officer.
1980s - The National Front Ulster organiser.
Graham Tasker
Position: Branch organiser for Chesterfield
1989 - Six months custody for an attack on a black woman.
1993 - Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor.
1992 - Active in the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses in the Derbyshire countryside.
1992-1993 - Activist with C18 both in the East Midlands and in London.
Paul Ballard
Position: Branch organiser for Croydon & Surrey
1998 - Convicted along with Nick Griffin at Harrow Crown Court for producing material likely to incite racial hatred.
Formerly the National Front organiser for Croydon.
1992-1995 - Attended several Combat 18 events, including meetings and loyalist marches.
1992 - Joined the BNP while at the same time being active with Combat 18. He attended C18 meetings, joined C18 members on Loyalist demonstrations and provided security with C18 for Holocaust denial meetings.
Published the anti-Semitic magazine, The Rune, with Nick Griffin during the 90s.
Paul Ballard is your neck of the woods, isn't he?
Plenty more where those came from. Here's a link to the relevant BBC webpage:
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
And you try to tell me this is a normal, respectable political party????
And no, I certainly will not give you his name. You represent a fascist party that glorifies violence. Here are a few of your colleagues, according to Panorama:
Andy McLorie
Position: Regional organiser for Ulster
1986 - Sentenced to two years in jail following a petrol bomb attack on the home of an RUC officer.
1980s - The National Front Ulster organiser.
Graham Tasker
Position: Branch organiser for Chesterfield
1989 - Six months custody for an attack on a black woman.
1993 - Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor.
1992 - Active in the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses in the Derbyshire countryside.
1992-1993 - Activist with C18 both in the East Midlands and in London.
Paul Ballard
Position: Branch organiser for Croydon & Surrey
1998 - Convicted along with Nick Griffin at Harrow Crown Court for producing material likely to incite racial hatred.
Formerly the National Front organiser for Croydon.
1992-1995 - Attended several Combat 18 events, including meetings and loyalist marches.
1992 - Joined the BNP while at the same time being active with Combat 18. He attended C18 meetings, joined C18 members on Loyalist demonstrations and provided security with C18 for Holocaust denial meetings.
Published the anti-Semitic magazine, The Rune, with Nick Griffin during the 90s.
Paul Ballard is your neck of the woods, isn't he?
Plenty more where those came from. Here's a link to the relevant BBC webpage:
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
And you try to tell me this is a normal, respectable political party????
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Police and groups campaigning to protect women insisted that the grooming of youngsters is not segregated along race lines, though there is concern at the attitudes of some young Asian men towards white girls.
Taken from the article you linked.
And I'd agree there's cause for concern at the attitude of some Asian men to women generally (not just white ones). I'd say there's cause for concern at the attitude of some men of all colours to women.
I do not consider that the likes of Andy McLorie, Graham Tasker, or Paul Ballard (mentioned in my previous post) are the right people to deal with it. I'd say Anne Cryer (Labour MP) is much better.
Taken from the article you linked.
And I'd agree there's cause for concern at the attitude of some Asian men to women generally (not just white ones). I'd say there's cause for concern at the attitude of some men of all colours to women.
I do not consider that the likes of Andy McLorie, Graham Tasker, or Paul Ballard (mentioned in my previous post) are the right people to deal with it. I'd say Anne Cryer (Labour MP) is much better.
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Wow, Oscar what delightful political company you keep. Still, lets dress it up and make it all mainstream and that'll make it more acceptable to the public.
I just cannot see what has blinded you to the fact that this orginisation, is and always has and will be, designed to marginalise a section of our people along racial grounds and promote white supremecy. You may well have been fed a sanitised version of this and found that acceptable, pretending that all this facism and racism is all misunderstood and that they are all round good eggs really. I will never be able to see past the racist filth and the Nazi sympathy. I'm suprised anybody can
I just cannot see what has blinded you to the fact that this orginisation, is and always has and will be, designed to marginalise a section of our people along racial grounds and promote white supremecy. You may well have been fed a sanitised version of this and found that acceptable, pretending that all this facism and racism is all misunderstood and that they are all round good eggs really. I will never be able to see past the racist filth and the Nazi sympathy. I'm suprised anybody can
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Clodhopper;1176106 wrote: He did not break police procedure. He told me the sort of thing he wanted to reply to the original article you mentioned but his Super thought it unwise.
And no, I certainly will not give you his name. You represent a fascist party that glorifies violence. Here are a few of your colleagues, according to Panorama:
Paul Ballard is your neck of the woods, isn't he?
Plenty more where those came from. Here's a link to the relevant BBC webpage:
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
And you try to tell me this is a normal, respectable political party????
We could go round in circles for weeks over this. As i said.... I don't really give a toss who gets the credit as long as the girls are safe.... (any girl). It is the reluctance of the police to act initially that is suspicious, of course, that's providing 'The Times' are reporting correctly. Yet, the Times articles about the reluctance of the authorities do confirm what i have heard from word of mouth.
Equally as you will not give me the name of the officer who spoke to you sub judice prior to a trial (How does he know your not the press?) I would not reveal my sources. Any restricted or confidential corrospondence i recieve remains confidential with me and i would not give it up just to prove a point. If that makes you think I'm talking bollocks.... then so be it. So this is just going around in circles.
You think that the BNP are a bunch of rascist, fascist neo-nazi thugs and i think the UAF are a bung of fascist neo-nazi thugs. We will have to agree to dis-agree.
As I'm of a fair mind, I will raise what you have quoted at my meeting and get their point of view on it. That's all i can do for now.
And no, I certainly will not give you his name. You represent a fascist party that glorifies violence. Here are a few of your colleagues, according to Panorama:
Paul Ballard is your neck of the woods, isn't he?
Plenty more where those came from. Here's a link to the relevant BBC webpage:
BBC News | Programmes | Under the skin of the BNP
And you try to tell me this is a normal, respectable political party????
We could go round in circles for weeks over this. As i said.... I don't really give a toss who gets the credit as long as the girls are safe.... (any girl). It is the reluctance of the police to act initially that is suspicious, of course, that's providing 'The Times' are reporting correctly. Yet, the Times articles about the reluctance of the authorities do confirm what i have heard from word of mouth.
Equally as you will not give me the name of the officer who spoke to you sub judice prior to a trial (How does he know your not the press?) I would not reveal my sources. Any restricted or confidential corrospondence i recieve remains confidential with me and i would not give it up just to prove a point. If that makes you think I'm talking bollocks.... then so be it. So this is just going around in circles.
You think that the BNP are a bunch of rascist, fascist neo-nazi thugs and i think the UAF are a bung of fascist neo-nazi thugs. We will have to agree to dis-agree.
As I'm of a fair mind, I will raise what you have quoted at my meeting and get their point of view on it. That's all i can do for now.
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As I'm of a fair mind, I will raise what you have quoted at my meeting and get their point of view on it. That's all i can do for now.
If you're going to do that, you might want to include these guys, who are also fairly local:
Colin Smith
Position: Regional organiser for South East London
Has multiple convictions, including possession of an offensive weapon, driving whilst disqualified, and possession of a controlled drug.
Involved in far right politics since the early 1980s.
Ex-member of the openly nazi British Movement before leaving to join the BNP in the early 1990s.
1981 - photographed wearing a British Movement jacket with a swastika armband at a British Movement rally.
Dave Hill
Position: Branch organiser for the East End of London, London co-ordinator of F.A.I.R. - Families against Immigrant Racism
Became active in the BNP in the mid-1990s
1997-1999 - Active in National Front. He attended NF anti-refugee demonstrations in Dover. Attended a NF protest demo against the 1998 Bloody Sunday demo along Holloway Road.
Has links to the British Ulster Alliance, a London-based support group for the Ulster Defence Association.
If you're going to do that, you might want to include these guys, who are also fairly local:
Colin Smith
Position: Regional organiser for South East London
Has multiple convictions, including possession of an offensive weapon, driving whilst disqualified, and possession of a controlled drug.
Involved in far right politics since the early 1980s.
Ex-member of the openly nazi British Movement before leaving to join the BNP in the early 1990s.
1981 - photographed wearing a British Movement jacket with a swastika armband at a British Movement rally.
Dave Hill
Position: Branch organiser for the East End of London, London co-ordinator of F.A.I.R. - Families against Immigrant Racism
Became active in the BNP in the mid-1990s
1997-1999 - Active in National Front. He attended NF anti-refugee demonstrations in Dover. Attended a NF protest demo against the 1998 Bloody Sunday demo along Holloway Road.
Has links to the British Ulster Alliance, a London-based support group for the Ulster Defence Association.
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