oscar;1155821 wrote: Here we go again galbally..... putting your own 'spin' on what has been said. First of all by claiming 'new Labour' blah blah blah tells me you have not the slightest comprehension into how big an issue this has been throughout the history of England. For gods sake, i've even quoted Oscar Wilde in a previous post. You have to put it down to noooooooooooooooooo Labour don't you? Were you actually involved in the act to abolish fox hunting? As if you were not, as i was, i suggest you are merely viewing the skin on the surface as another attempt to be critical of new Labour.
How many times do i have to repeat myself? If a farmer shoots foxes humanely because they are a threat during lambing, then i have absolutely no problem with that. If a maurading rabid fox in a leather jacket came on to my property and was going to kill my children...... I'd bloody shoot it. Next the press will be claiming that feral gangs of 6 foot high foxes wearing hoods and carrying flick knives are stalking the countryside ready to stick one in the gizzards of any passing farmer and mug him for his combine harvester.
My Urban mentallity? How the flying feck do you know what my mentallity is? Unless you've been checking out where i grew up as gmc the sporran has, you have no idea of how i grew up. For the record, my uncle after being liberated from a Jap POW camp was one of the biggest farmers in Cheshire.
Foxes encroaching on surburbia?? Oh please. I'll remember that at the next meeting over the proposed build of another 12,000 houses on greenbelt a mile down the road from me. No wonder the fecking foxes are forming an orderly queue outside my house at night.
No I totally agree, class and class warfare are as old as England itself, New Labour just happened to be the ones that passed the laws, which you keep referring to. I would certainly not abolish fox hunting in Ireland, I don't see the need for that, we already got rid of your Knobs years ago, if they want to come over and chase foxes and be silly, and pay us lots of money for the priviliegde, by all means they are very welcome and they also like horses, which being Irish I can appreciate of course.
I also don't dispute your right to object to fox hunting by the way, or your right to deal with a fox or anything else that comes into your yard, or even let him go, its your choice; but I don't object to fox hunting, or most bull fighting, though I have to admit badger baiting and pit bull fighting is taking it too far and is too rich for my blood. Also, you may come from the land, but you do have an urban mentality, which is fair enough if that's the environment you live in, I'm not attacking that, I am just making a comment on it.
Your last point makes my point entirely, they should stop building over what's left of South East England, it has beautiful countryside, they should leave what's left of it alone, and stop over-developing it.
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Galbally;1155954 wrote: No I totally agree, class and class warfare are as old as England itself, New Labour just happened to be the ones that passed the laws, which you keep referring to. I would certainly not abolish fox hunting in Ireland, I don't see the need for that, we already got rid of your Knobs years ago, if they want to come over and chase foxes and be silly, and pay us lots of money for the priviliegde, by all means they are very welcome and they also like horses, which being Irish I can appreciate of course.
I also don't dispute your right to object to fox hunting by the way, or your right to deal with a fox or anything else that comes into your yard, or even let him go, its your choice; but I don't object to fox hunting, or most bull fighting, though I have to admit badger baiting and pit bull fighting is taking it too far and is too rich for my blood. Also, you may come from the land, but you do have an urban mentality, which is fair enough if that's the environment you live in, I'm not attacking that, I am just making a comment on it.
Your last point makes my point entirely, they should stop building over what's left of South East England, it has beautiful countryside, they should leave what's left of it alone, and stop over-developing it.
:wah: So you.ve checked out where i live as well as the sporran? :wah: Really, I have such an effect :wah: I was born and raised in Sussex, it is my home but i live in Bristol.... only few short miles from Spot in actual fact :wah: I chose to live in this part of the Gloucestershire countryside for the wildlife and fields around me. In the last 10 yrs, they have built a fair sized town with approx 4,000 homes. Now, they have proposed 12,000 more by 2012. Ubfortunately, to protest i have to join up with the local Tory's to be heard. Still, we all have to suffer discomfort some time in our lives.
These people buy their house and then complain because there's a fox or a badger in their back yard.
So why would you not oppose a ban on fox hunting in Ireland? If fox population is out of control and a threat to farming... why not a civilised cull by gunshot humanely?
I also don't dispute your right to object to fox hunting by the way, or your right to deal with a fox or anything else that comes into your yard, or even let him go, its your choice; but I don't object to fox hunting, or most bull fighting, though I have to admit badger baiting and pit bull fighting is taking it too far and is too rich for my blood. Also, you may come from the land, but you do have an urban mentality, which is fair enough if that's the environment you live in, I'm not attacking that, I am just making a comment on it.
Your last point makes my point entirely, they should stop building over what's left of South East England, it has beautiful countryside, they should leave what's left of it alone, and stop over-developing it.
:wah: So you.ve checked out where i live as well as the sporran? :wah: Really, I have such an effect :wah: I was born and raised in Sussex, it is my home but i live in Bristol.... only few short miles from Spot in actual fact :wah: I chose to live in this part of the Gloucestershire countryside for the wildlife and fields around me. In the last 10 yrs, they have built a fair sized town with approx 4,000 homes. Now, they have proposed 12,000 more by 2012. Ubfortunately, to protest i have to join up with the local Tory's to be heard. Still, we all have to suffer discomfort some time in our lives.
These people buy their house and then complain because there's a fox or a badger in their back yard.
So why would you not oppose a ban on fox hunting in Ireland? If fox population is out of control and a threat to farming... why not a civilised cull by gunshot humanely?
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oscar;1155966 wrote: :wah: So you.ve checked out where i live as well as the sporran? :wah: Really, I have such an effect :wah: I was born and raised in Sussex, it is my home but i live in Bristol.... only few short miles from Spot in actual fact :wah: I chose to live in this part of the Gloucestershire countryside for the wildlife and fields around me. In the last 10 yrs, they have built a fair sized town with approx 4,000 homes. Now, they have proposed 12,000 more by 2012. Ubfortunately, to protest i have to join up with the local Tory's to be heard. Still, we all have to suffer discomfort some time in our lives.
These people buy their house and then complain because there's a fox or a badger in their back yard.
So why would you not oppose a ban on fox hunting in Ireland? If fox population is out of control and a threat to farming... why not a civilised cull by gunshot humanely?
Because I have no objection to people hunting foxes at all, or rabbits, or anything else.
I have more objections to people building houses where they shouldn't.
These people buy their house and then complain because there's a fox or a badger in their back yard.
So why would you not oppose a ban on fox hunting in Ireland? If fox population is out of control and a threat to farming... why not a civilised cull by gunshot humanely?
Because I have no objection to people hunting foxes at all, or rabbits, or anything else.
I have more objections to people building houses where they shouldn't.
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Galbally;1155983 wrote: Because I have no objection to people hunting foxes at all, or rabbits, or anything else.
I have more objections to people building houses where they shouldn't. Don't evade the question. Why not a civilised cull by gunshot if fox population became a problem?
I'll add to that........ almost all Urban foxes are born in built up area's. Who or what exactly are they are threat to?
BTW. I ran out of jam and had to use marmalade. One spat in out. Just going to feed my second sitting.
I have more objections to people building houses where they shouldn't. Don't evade the question. Why not a civilised cull by gunshot if fox population became a problem?
I'll add to that........ almost all Urban foxes are born in built up area's. Who or what exactly are they are threat to?
BTW. I ran out of jam and had to use marmalade. One spat in out. Just going to feed my second sitting.
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oscar;1155986 wrote: Don't evade the question. Why not a civilised cull by gunshot if fox population became a problem?
Well they do that anyway. Fox hunting doesn't actually result in many foxes being killed you do realize this? It is just a sport for fun, not my kind of fun but different strokes and all of that. You have to cull these things one way or the other. As for urban foxes, well people encourage them, and feed them, so they can't really complain about them then, they keep the cat population down probably and are a lot less dangerous to birds, cats are actually a big problem for British and Irish wildlife, we have to many of them and they are too efficient as hunters, cats and rats, they are the really big pests, but foxes rabbits and the like can be a problem as well.
Well they do that anyway. Fox hunting doesn't actually result in many foxes being killed you do realize this? It is just a sport for fun, not my kind of fun but different strokes and all of that. You have to cull these things one way or the other. As for urban foxes, well people encourage them, and feed them, so they can't really complain about them then, they keep the cat population down probably and are a lot less dangerous to birds, cats are actually a big problem for British and Irish wildlife, we have to many of them and they are too efficient as hunters, cats and rats, they are the really big pests, but foxes rabbits and the like can be a problem as well.
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Galbally;1155994 wrote: Well they do that anyway. Fox hunting doesn't actually result in many foxes being killed you do realize this? It is just a sport for fun, not my kind of fun but different strokes and all of that. You have to cull these things one way or the other. As for urban foxes, well people encourage them, and feed them, so they can't really complain about them then, they keep the cat population down probably and are a lot less dangerous to birds, cats are actually a big problem for British and Irish wildlife, we have to many of them and they are too efficient as hunters, cats and rats, they are the really big pests, but foxes rabbits and the like can be a problem as well. My god gallders..... I just can not believe how uneducated you are in these matters. In fact my flabber has never been so ghasted at this post:yh_youkid My god where do i start?
1) They keep the cat population down!!!!!! Foxes, Urban and Rural do not kill cats. At best they tolerate each other and at worst a vixen will chase an inquisitive cat from her cubs. Please read the link to dispel this myth.
Foxes and Cats - Derbyshire Fox Rescue
People feed foxes?????? Wrong. A lot of people do feed foxes sure, the majority do not encourage them for fear of mange being passed on to domestic pets which is possible. Urban foxes are scavangers no different to coyoyte in America. However tight you think the lid is down on your bin, they will find away of getting in it. In just one example.... fast food outlets toss out enough food at the end of a night to feed a small African village. Foxes are not queuing up outside number 12, Surbia street with a begging bowl.
Finally you answer my question and hit the nail on the head......they fox hunt ;
FOR FUN
BTW...... my vixens are heavilly pregnant :yh_dance:yh_dance:yh_party:yh_party
1) They keep the cat population down!!!!!! Foxes, Urban and Rural do not kill cats. At best they tolerate each other and at worst a vixen will chase an inquisitive cat from her cubs. Please read the link to dispel this myth.
Foxes and Cats - Derbyshire Fox Rescue
People feed foxes?????? Wrong. A lot of people do feed foxes sure, the majority do not encourage them for fear of mange being passed on to domestic pets which is possible. Urban foxes are scavangers no different to coyoyte in America. However tight you think the lid is down on your bin, they will find away of getting in it. In just one example.... fast food outlets toss out enough food at the end of a night to feed a small African village. Foxes are not queuing up outside number 12, Surbia street with a begging bowl.
Finally you answer my question and hit the nail on the head......they fox hunt ;
FOR FUN
BTW...... my vixens are heavilly pregnant :yh_dance:yh_dance:yh_party:yh_party
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Galbally;1155994 wrote: , they keep the cat population down probably .
Please note the black domestic cat eating with a group of foxes in my pic. .. They keep the cat population down!!!!!! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Please note the black domestic cat eating with a group of foxes in my pic. .. They keep the cat population down!!!!!! :yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
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Helen;1155804 wrote: but they do continue to do it. i doubt theres a hunt meet that takes place anywhere in this country that hasnt got its fair share of antis waiting to pounce on the slightest item they can use to have another pop at them.Tomorrows headlines..... One of the anti-hunt has been charged with murder. I see nothing in this article as to why. It does not give enough detail as to weather the copter was indeed Taxi-ing or weather because it's thought he used his binnoculars, he walked into the blades. There is not enough detail as yet for me to condemn the anti-hunt man.
Man charged with murder of decapitated hunt supporter who 'followed gyrocopter to confront saboteurs' | Mail Online
They claim he only held the eagle????? Looks like a pack of hounds to me in the pictures unless of course he has a beagle kennel :rolleyes:
Man charged with murder of decapitated hunt supporter who 'followed gyrocopter to confront saboteurs' | Mail Online
They claim he only held the eagle????? Looks like a pack of hounds to me in the pictures unless of course he has a beagle kennel :rolleyes:
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oscar;1156026 wrote: Tomorrows headlines..... One of the anti-hunt has been charged with murder. I see nothing in this article as to why. It does not give enough detail as to weather the copter was indeed Taxi-ing or weather because it's thought he used his binnoculars, he walked into the blades. There is not enough detail as yet for me to condemn the anti-hunt man.
hunt-supporter-followed-gyrocopter-confront-saboteurs.html">Man charged with murder of decapitated hunt supporter who 'followed gyrocopter to confront saboteurs' | Mail Online
They claim he only held the eagle????? Looks like a pack of hounds to me in the pictures unless of course he has a beagle kennel :rolleyes:
the dreaded words again !!!
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor.
hunt-supporter-followed-gyrocopter-confront-saboteurs.html">Man charged with murder of decapitated hunt supporter who 'followed gyrocopter to confront saboteurs' | Mail Online
They claim he only held the eagle????? Looks like a pack of hounds to me in the pictures unless of course he has a beagle kennel :rolleyes:
the dreaded words again !!!
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor.
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if they were culled by reputable people, who knew how to use a gun properly, that would be fair enough but sadly you get the " billy the kid, john wayne " types that think they are doing the world a favor and try to kill anything that moves, thus leaveing wounded and dying creatures in their wake.
id rather be biten on the back of the neck by a fox hound than die like that
id rather be biten on the back of the neck by a fox hound than die like that
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Helen;1156051 wrote: the dreaded words again !!!
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor. Did you get my profile message on your page?
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor. Did you get my profile message on your page?
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
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oscar;1156058 wrote: Did you get my profile message on your page?
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
yes i did and have replied on yours lol, havnt read the rest of your post yet.
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
yes i did and have replied on yours lol, havnt read the rest of your post yet.
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oscar;1156058 wrote: Did you get my profile message on your page?
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
my outline colour dosnt seem to be working just trying again sorry !!
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
my outline colour dosnt seem to be working just trying again sorry !!
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oscar;1156058 wrote: Did you get my profile message on your page?
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
you have no idea of the vision that has just gone through my mind !!!
I'm on for about an hour and then i'll be away for two days so please don't think I'm ignoring you after tonight.
Again, I agree with a lot you say and yes, typical of the Daily Mail, they have gone for the shock head-lines. To use Fox hunter or Anti-hunt protester is more sensational than 'accident'.
The man is pictured in the paper with a pack of hounds. Even if he was only drag hunting, i suspect that he was an avid hunter before the ban.
The article is so sketchy on the details as to why the anti-hunter has been charged that it is difficult to comment at this point. I suppose the details will not come out until the trial or inquest.
If he indeed did murder him, i shall condem him as i would any murderer and shall be furious as it gives us peacefull anti-hunt protesters all a bad name as bias always lumps us in with the extremists.
And yes, I have been on a horse when an aircraft has gone over low.... I know exactly how you feel. It also happened to me once when i was on a camel. :wah:
:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl
you have no idea of the vision that has just gone through my mind !!!
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im off to bed now !!
have a great weekend oscar, spare me a passing thought.................. i'll be up to my armpits in cold water peeling spuds for the chippy i work in
have a great weekend oscar, spare me a passing thought.................. i'll be up to my armpits in cold water peeling spuds for the chippy i work in
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Helen;1156070 wrote: im off to bed now !!
have a great weekend oscar, spare me a passing thought.................. i'll be up to my armpits in cold water peeling spuds for the chippy i work in
Night Helen. I shall return a little 'Hoarse' after cheering Kauto star on. 'Horse' get it? :wah:
have a great weekend oscar, spare me a passing thought.................. i'll be up to my armpits in cold water peeling spuds for the chippy i work in
Night Helen. I shall return a little 'Hoarse' after cheering Kauto star on. 'Horse' get it? :wah:
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oscar;1156078 wrote: Night Helen. I shall return a little 'Hoarse' after cheering Kauto star on. 'Horse' get it? :wah:
if i see anyone throwing things at the huntsmen that escort the winner in, i shall know who it is !!!!
if i see anyone throwing things at the huntsmen that escort the winner in, i shall know who it is !!!!
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Until further details of this story emerge, I'm really struggling to understand how Someone can be charged with murder over this. A person has walked onto a runway, where an aircraft is operating. Now a gyrocopter has an unpowered main rotor system, it has a small pusher type engine and propellor, like a microlight. The aircraft has to keep moving forwards to keep the rotor system turning, it flies due to autorotation. As soon as the thing lands and stops, the rotors freewheel to a standstill. How does it become the pilots responsibility, if someone walks into the freewheeling rotor disc? As I say, more details are needed here.
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oscar;1156011 wrote: My god gallders..... I just can not believe how uneducated you are in these matters. In fact my flabber has never been so ghasted at this post:yh_youkid My god where do i start?
1) They keep the cat population down!!!!!! Foxes, Urban and Rural do not kill cats. At best they tolerate each other and at worst a vixen will chase an inquisitive cat from her cubs. Please read the link to dispel this myth.
Foxes and Cats - Derbyshire Fox Rescue
People feed foxes?????? Wrong. A lot of people do feed foxes sure, the majority do not encourage them for fear of mange being passed on to domestic pets which is possible. Urban foxes are scavangers no different to coyoyte in America. However tight you think the lid is down on your bin, they will find away of getting in it. In just one example.... fast food outlets toss out enough food at the end of a night to feed a small African village. Foxes are not queuing up outside number 12, Surbia street with a begging bowl.
Finally you answer my question and hit the nail on the head......they fox hunt ;
FOR FUN
BTW...... my vixens are heavilly pregnant :yh_dance:yh_dance:yh_party:yh_party
Yes Oscar, quite, I meant that they compete for the same food as feral cats actually, (mostly human food that's been thrown away as well) not that they "eat" the cats themselves, you know, micro-ecological niches and all of that; anyway moving on.
As for the last point, yes they do it for fun, again, so what? My uncle used to shoot rabbits for fun, so what? Do you object to hunting animals unless you don't enjoy it? It would seem to defeat the purpose.
1) They keep the cat population down!!!!!! Foxes, Urban and Rural do not kill cats. At best they tolerate each other and at worst a vixen will chase an inquisitive cat from her cubs. Please read the link to dispel this myth.
Foxes and Cats - Derbyshire Fox Rescue
People feed foxes?????? Wrong. A lot of people do feed foxes sure, the majority do not encourage them for fear of mange being passed on to domestic pets which is possible. Urban foxes are scavangers no different to coyoyte in America. However tight you think the lid is down on your bin, they will find away of getting in it. In just one example.... fast food outlets toss out enough food at the end of a night to feed a small African village. Foxes are not queuing up outside number 12, Surbia street with a begging bowl.
Finally you answer my question and hit the nail on the head......they fox hunt ;
FOR FUN
BTW...... my vixens are heavilly pregnant :yh_dance:yh_dance:yh_party:yh_party
Yes Oscar, quite, I meant that they compete for the same food as feral cats actually, (mostly human food that's been thrown away as well) not that they "eat" the cats themselves, you know, micro-ecological niches and all of that; anyway moving on.
As for the last point, yes they do it for fun, again, so what? My uncle used to shoot rabbits for fun, so what? Do you object to hunting animals unless you don't enjoy it? It would seem to defeat the purpose.
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The ban on hunting is class warfare, Gal. I grew up fully aware of my unbridgeable distance from the County set. What's happened since has had the effect of making the County set as much a part of dead history as the London débutantes. Yes, both still exist but they're a self-conscious mockery of their former selves. And no, they can't come back.
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i hunted for most of my life. my dad was a gardener and my mum was a domestic help, when i left school i worled in a little village shop then went on to work in various riding stables.
hardly makes me part of the county set does it ??
hardly makes me part of the county set does it ??
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Helen;1156108 wrote: i hunted for most of my life. my dad was a gardener and my mum was a domestic help, when i left school i worled in a little village shop then went on to work in various riding stables.
hardly makes me part of the county set does it ??
Not at all Helen, it means the County set despised you whether you noticed it or not.
hardly makes me part of the county set does it ??
Not at all Helen, it means the County set despised you whether you noticed it or not.
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spot;1155303 wrote: Might I point out, to get back to the topic, that the gyrocopter was on an airfield at the time and the hunt member, at a guess, had tracked it to its lair with an intent to chastise the people using it. The chance of the crew being prosecuted is infinitesimal. If the hunt member weren't dead he'd presumably be in court himself for endangering the life of the pilot.
And the club complained 10 days earlier about gyro-copter but it JUST KEPT buzzing them........with an intent to chastise the hunters..........
So what's the difference.
All stories I have read never mention that they (hunters) were breaking law in the way they were hunting.
Can anyone quote where the hunters broke the LAW??????
Gyro-copers are NOT supposed to fly BELOW 500'.
So WHO broke the law here?
And the club complained 10 days earlier about gyro-copter but it JUST KEPT buzzing them........with an intent to chastise the hunters..........
So what's the difference.
All stories I have read never mention that they (hunters) were breaking law in the way they were hunting.
Can anyone quote where the hunters broke the LAW??????
Gyro-copers are NOT supposed to fly BELOW 500'.
So WHO broke the law here?
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I had it in mind that the person endangering life on the airfield was the person who died. Nothing to do with any right or wrong at the hunt, solely the conduct of people on the airfield. Any prat on an airfield getting within range of propellers is obviously either bent on suicide or exceptionally stupid.
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Man charged with murder of decapitated hunt supporter who 'followed gyrocopter for seven miles to confront saboteurs'
By Andy Dolan
Last updated at 10:56 PM on 11th March 2009
A man was tonight charged with the murder of a hunt supporter killed in a collision with a gyrocopter.
Warwickshire Police said the man would appear before Nuneaton Magistrates Court tomorrow accused of killing 48-year-old Trevor Morse.
Mr Morse died after he was hit by the aircraft at Long Marston airfield near Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire, as he followed a hunt on Monday afternoon.
He was virtually decapitated by the aircraft when it struck him.
A man has been charged with the murder of Trevor Morse, who died after he was hit by a gyrocopter at Long Marston airfield near Stratford-Upon-Avon on Monday
Two people travelling in the gyrocopter were arrested on Monday on suspicion of murder following the incident, which happened just after 3pm.
At the time Warwickshire Police said officers had been granted more time to question the pair.
'Magistrates have granted an extension of detention giving officers until midnight on Wednesday to question the men,' a spokesman said.
A post-mortem examination revealed that Mr Morse died as a result of severe head injuries.
It emerged on Tuesday that members of the hunt had complained to the Civil Aviation Authority about a gyrocopter following them.
Warwickshire Hunt master Sam Butler said: 'A gyrocopter had been following us for a couple of weeks and we had made a formal complaint to the Civil Aviation Authority 10 days ago.'
The Civil Aviation Authority confirmed that a complaint about the gyrocopter was received 10 days ago, and an investigation subsequently launched.
Mr Butler said he was unable to speculate on why the gyrocopter was following the hunt and was awaiting the result of the police inquiry.
Investigators load a gyrocopter on to a trailer yesterday
A 4x4 vehicle is taken away fromLong Marston airfield. Police confirmed it was not Mr Morse's vehicle, but said it may hold clues relevant to the investigation
Mr Morse had been following the hunt just hours before the tragedy, when a gyrocopter began 'buzzing' the hunt in a bid to disrupt its activities.
When the gyrocopter left the hunt at Todenham, near Shipston-on-Stour, at lunchtime, Mr Morse - described as a 'passionate supporter of country pursuits' - headed to the airfield seven miles away with a female hunt member in a bid to identify who was on board.
One source said he is thought to have taken binoculars with him - and may have been looking through its lenses when he was struck.
Mr Morse did not ride with the Warwickshire Hunt, but was responsible for looking after its eagle owl, Wilma.
Since the Hunting Act banned the hunting of foxes with dogs, hunts have adopted the rules of falconry, a sport in which dogs flush to a bird of prey.
He did not have children, but his long-term partner Caroline, who has taken his surname, has two teenagers from a previous relationship.
Mrs Morse, 57, remained too upset to comment at her home in Aldminster, near Stratford, yesterday.
Almost decapitated: Hunt supporter Trevor Morse
Sam Butler, huntmaster of the Warwickshire Hunt, said he had complained to the CAA about a gyrocopter swooping low over the hunt ten days before Mr Morse was killed.
A CAA spokesman said the authority had commenced an investigation prior to the tragedy, and had been in contact with the complainant and police.
Detective Superintendent Graeme Pallister, of Warwickshire Police, said officers were still working to establish 'how and why Mr Morse died'.
A post mortem examination was carried out at the University Hospital of Coventry and Warwickshire.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokesman said the casualty had suffered a head injury and was pronounced dead at the scene. He could not comment on the extent of the head injuries.
The helicopter-style aircraft is not allowed to fly lower than 500ft but was said to have been swooping aggressively over the hunt in the past few weeks.
By Andy Dolan
Last updated at 10:56 PM on 11th March 2009
A man was tonight charged with the murder of a hunt supporter killed in a collision with a gyrocopter.
Warwickshire Police said the man would appear before Nuneaton Magistrates Court tomorrow accused of killing 48-year-old Trevor Morse.
Mr Morse died after he was hit by the aircraft at Long Marston airfield near Stratford-Upon-Avon, Warwickshire, as he followed a hunt on Monday afternoon.
He was virtually decapitated by the aircraft when it struck him.
A man has been charged with the murder of Trevor Morse, who died after he was hit by a gyrocopter at Long Marston airfield near Stratford-Upon-Avon on Monday
Two people travelling in the gyrocopter were arrested on Monday on suspicion of murder following the incident, which happened just after 3pm.
At the time Warwickshire Police said officers had been granted more time to question the pair.
'Magistrates have granted an extension of detention giving officers until midnight on Wednesday to question the men,' a spokesman said.
A post-mortem examination revealed that Mr Morse died as a result of severe head injuries.
It emerged on Tuesday that members of the hunt had complained to the Civil Aviation Authority about a gyrocopter following them.
Warwickshire Hunt master Sam Butler said: 'A gyrocopter had been following us for a couple of weeks and we had made a formal complaint to the Civil Aviation Authority 10 days ago.'
The Civil Aviation Authority confirmed that a complaint about the gyrocopter was received 10 days ago, and an investigation subsequently launched.
Mr Butler said he was unable to speculate on why the gyrocopter was following the hunt and was awaiting the result of the police inquiry.
Investigators load a gyrocopter on to a trailer yesterday
A 4x4 vehicle is taken away fromLong Marston airfield. Police confirmed it was not Mr Morse's vehicle, but said it may hold clues relevant to the investigation
Mr Morse had been following the hunt just hours before the tragedy, when a gyrocopter began 'buzzing' the hunt in a bid to disrupt its activities.
When the gyrocopter left the hunt at Todenham, near Shipston-on-Stour, at lunchtime, Mr Morse - described as a 'passionate supporter of country pursuits' - headed to the airfield seven miles away with a female hunt member in a bid to identify who was on board.
One source said he is thought to have taken binoculars with him - and may have been looking through its lenses when he was struck.
Mr Morse did not ride with the Warwickshire Hunt, but was responsible for looking after its eagle owl, Wilma.
Since the Hunting Act banned the hunting of foxes with dogs, hunts have adopted the rules of falconry, a sport in which dogs flush to a bird of prey.
He did not have children, but his long-term partner Caroline, who has taken his surname, has two teenagers from a previous relationship.
Mrs Morse, 57, remained too upset to comment at her home in Aldminster, near Stratford, yesterday.
Almost decapitated: Hunt supporter Trevor Morse
Sam Butler, huntmaster of the Warwickshire Hunt, said he had complained to the CAA about a gyrocopter swooping low over the hunt ten days before Mr Morse was killed.
A CAA spokesman said the authority had commenced an investigation prior to the tragedy, and had been in contact with the complainant and police.
Detective Superintendent Graeme Pallister, of Warwickshire Police, said officers were still working to establish 'how and why Mr Morse died'.
A post mortem examination was carried out at the University Hospital of Coventry and Warwickshire.
A West Midlands Ambulance Service spokesman said the casualty had suffered a head injury and was pronounced dead at the scene. He could not comment on the extent of the head injuries.
The helicopter-style aircraft is not allowed to fly lower than 500ft but was said to have been swooping aggressively over the hunt in the past few weeks.
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spot;1156115 wrote: I had it in mind that the person endangering life on the airfield was the person who died. Nothing to do with any right or wrong at the hunt, solely the conduct of people on the airfield. Any prat on an airfield getting within range of propellers is obviously either bent on suicide or exceptionally stupid.
We don't know the facts yet now do we spot?
Did the gyro-copter pilot run the craft towards him?
Did the pissed off hunt follower charge the craft while it was running?
We don't know do we...........
BUTT we doo know the pilot is being charged so I Would assume they feel he (pilot) provoked it........
BUTT again............
We ain't got the FACTS yet to speculate now, do we.
My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters but not the wacko in the gyro-copter......
Who started the tiff in the beginning?......... The hunters hunting legally or the wacko in the gyro-copter?
We don't know the facts yet now do we spot?
Did the gyro-copter pilot run the craft towards him?
Did the pissed off hunt follower charge the craft while it was running?
We don't know do we...........
BUTT we doo know the pilot is being charged so I Would assume they feel he (pilot) provoked it........
BUTT again............
We ain't got the FACTS yet to speculate now, do we.
My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters but not the wacko in the gyro-copter......
Who started the tiff in the beginning?......... The hunters hunting legally or the wacko in the gyro-copter?
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We'll just have to wait and see what the court makes of the charge, won't we.
My comments on who was out of place at the time stand though. What a dork.
"My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters"? You're kidding me. Where did I do that?
My comments on who was out of place at the time stand though. What a dork.
"My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters"? You're kidding me. Where did I do that?
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spot;1156133 wrote: We'll just have to wait and see what the court makes of the charge, won't we.
My comments on who was out of place at the time stand though. What a dork.
"My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters"? You're kidding me. Where did I do that?
kool.........
So if it turns out the pilot ran him down will it STILL stand?
OK you never said it was OK, but leaving out the reason the follower was there (airfield) seemed to me that you inferred he had no right to be there. Therefore I assumed you felt it was OK to chastise hunters......Sorry
I stand corrected
My comments on who was out of place at the time stand though. What a dork.
"My point was in reference to you seeming to say it was OK to chastise the LEGAL hunters"? You're kidding me. Where did I do that?
kool.........
So if it turns out the pilot ran him down will it STILL stand?
OK you never said it was OK, but leaving out the reason the follower was there (airfield) seemed to me that you inferred he had no right to be there. Therefore I assumed you felt it was OK to chastise hunters......Sorry
I stand corrected
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BTS;1156137 wrote: kool.........
So if it turns out the pilot ran him down will it STILL stand?As much as if he'd decided to dance a flamenco on the rim of a volcano. Deliberately stepping onto an airfield runway being used by a moving gyrocopter? "What a dork"? Will it stand? Damn right it will.
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So if it turns out the pilot ran him down will it STILL stand?As much as if he'd decided to dance a flamenco on the rim of a volcano. Deliberately stepping onto an airfield runway being used by a moving gyrocopter? "What a dork"? Will it stand? Damn right it will.
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dubs;1156095 wrote: Until further details of this story emerge, I'm really struggling to understand how Someone can be charged with murder over this. A person has walked onto a runway, where an aircraft is operating. Now a gyrocopter has an unpowered main rotor system, it has a small pusher type engine and propellor, like a microlight. The aircraft has to keep moving forwards to keep the rotor system turning, it flies due to autorotation. As soon as the thing lands and stops, the rotors freewheel to a standstill. How does it become the pilots responsibility, if someone walks into the freewheeling rotor disc? As I say, more details are needed here. I am inclined to agree with the points you have made. This was my own understanding also.
I too can not possibly see how the pilot is responsible. I am sure the pilot did not set out to become a murderer. If the gyrocopter was inactive at the time with the chap under the blades and the pilot deliberately started up, it would be murder. If the pilot just suffered panic if the chap approached the gryocopter with aggression, then it would be manslaughter. A murder charge seems extreme to me and points to the pilot starting up to deliberately kill him. This, I just can not see.
I too can not possibly see how the pilot is responsible. I am sure the pilot did not set out to become a murderer. If the gyrocopter was inactive at the time with the chap under the blades and the pilot deliberately started up, it would be murder. If the pilot just suffered panic if the chap approached the gryocopter with aggression, then it would be manslaughter. A murder charge seems extreme to me and points to the pilot starting up to deliberately kill him. This, I just can not see.
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I expect he annoyed the filth and got the heaviest possible charge flung at him. It's why we have courts.
The idea that a pilot killed the chap with premeditation is entirely beyond belief.
The idea that a pilot killed the chap with premeditation is entirely beyond belief.
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Galbally;1156100 wrote: Yes Oscar, quite, I meant that they compete for the same food as feral cats actually, (mostly human food that's been thrown away as well) not that they "eat" the cats themselves, you know, micro-ecological niches and all of that; anyway moving on.
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An urban fox in many respects is a different breed to the rural fox. Fox cubs borne to urban foxes in an urban enviroment do not yearn for the countryside. If they did, they would make their way back there when mature. If any animal is borne to urban parents, it knows no different and will learn how to feed from it's mother. Once an urban fox has establihed a safe territory he will usually remain there for life unless disturbed. Research also shows that dispite a human feeding a fox on a regular basis, he never truely loses his hunt instincts should he need to hunt if a shortage of food comes along. It is thanks to peope who do feed urban foxes regually that a fox is content to stay close to his territory and not be forced onto farmland in desperate measures for food.
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An urban fox in many respects is a different breed to the rural fox. Fox cubs borne to urban foxes in an urban enviroment do not yearn for the countryside. If they did, they would make their way back there when mature. If any animal is borne to urban parents, it knows no different and will learn how to feed from it's mother. Once an urban fox has establihed a safe territory he will usually remain there for life unless disturbed. Research also shows that dispite a human feeding a fox on a regular basis, he never truely loses his hunt instincts should he need to hunt if a shortage of food comes along. It is thanks to peope who do feed urban foxes regually that a fox is content to stay close to his territory and not be forced onto farmland in desperate measures for food.
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spot;1156144 wrote: As much as if he'd decided to dance a flamenco on the rim of a volcano. Deliberately stepping onto an airfield runway being used by a moving gyrocopter? "What a dork"? Will it stand? Damn right it will.
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Oh good you have the facts in the case then, eh?
You now KNOW he stepped out there on the runway and was not attacked by the pilot........
Kool then the cops are barking up the wrong tree then eh?
Wonder why they would charge someone who was innocently taking of?
If you REALLY have the facts, do share ol chap.......
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Oh good you have the facts in the case then, eh?
You now KNOW he stepped out there on the runway and was not attacked by the pilot........
Kool then the cops are barking up the wrong tree then eh?
Wonder why they would charge someone who was innocently taking of?
If you REALLY have the facts, do share ol chap.......
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spot;1156103 wrote: The ban on hunting is class warfare, Gal. I grew up fully aware of my unbridgeable distance from the County set. What's happened since has had the effect of making the County set as much a part of dead history as the London débutantes. Yes, both still exist but they're a self-conscious mockery of their former selves. And no, they can't come back.
Thank you spot for being honest. I can't blame you for being down on the knobs, you being one of those proto marxist intellectual types, (which is a good business to be in, now that Capitalism has decided to commit suicide!). :wah:
Anyway, back to the foxes.
I hope people don't think that I don't appreciate foxes, they are magnificent looking animals, if you've ever seen one up close in its natural environment you will know what I mean, I have never seen an urban one, but I have seen a couple of country ones, amazing creatures. I just don't have an issue with fox hunting, or sustainable hunting in general.
Thank you spot for being honest. I can't blame you for being down on the knobs, you being one of those proto marxist intellectual types, (which is a good business to be in, now that Capitalism has decided to commit suicide!). :wah:
Anyway, back to the foxes.
I hope people don't think that I don't appreciate foxes, they are magnificent looking animals, if you've ever seen one up close in its natural environment you will know what I mean, I have never seen an urban one, but I have seen a couple of country ones, amazing creatures. I just don't have an issue with fox hunting, or sustainable hunting in general.
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"A smack in the face settles all arguments, then you can move on kid."
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Also, I think it needs to be pointed out here, that this man who died so horribly wasn't a murderer or a rapist, he was just a huntsman, he had a wife and two young daughters, you may not have approved of his lifestyle, but no one deserves to die like that, its horrible, and I am a bit shocked at how callous people are about what is a human tragedy.
As to the facts of the case, I don't know what happened, like everyone else here, but I presume the police would have to have fairly strong suspicions that something was wrong to charge the pilot with murder, so I suspect that everything will out in the court case. If it is a case of murder (and I find it hard to credit that it would be premeditated, but who knows), then its particularly shocking how militant people are becoming on this issue.
As to the facts of the case, I don't know what happened, like everyone else here, but I presume the police would have to have fairly strong suspicions that something was wrong to charge the pilot with murder, so I suspect that everything will out in the court case. If it is a case of murder (and I find it hard to credit that it would be premeditated, but who knows), then its particularly shocking how militant people are becoming on this issue.
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BTS;1156164 wrote: Oh good you have the facts in the case then, eh?
You now KNOW he stepped out there on the runway and was not attacked by the pilot........
Kool then the cops are barking up the wrong tree then eh?
Wonder why they would charge someone who was innocently taking of?
If you REALLY have the facts, do share ol chap.......
I'm trying to conjure up this bizarre image of the gyrocopter deliberately steering off the runway and chasing the chap across the grass. I don't think they're capable. It's why the pilot was using an airport and not a random grass field of which South Warwickshire boasts thousands.
You now KNOW he stepped out there on the runway and was not attacked by the pilot........
Kool then the cops are barking up the wrong tree then eh?
Wonder why they would charge someone who was innocently taking of?
If you REALLY have the facts, do share ol chap.......
I'm trying to conjure up this bizarre image of the gyrocopter deliberately steering off the runway and chasing the chap across the grass. I don't think they're capable. It's why the pilot was using an airport and not a random grass field of which South Warwickshire boasts thousands.
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oscar;1155771 wrote: The gyrocopter was re-fueling. It was taxi-ing when he appraoched it.
The bull about fox hunting? What are your reasons for thinking that an illegal activity is bull? I'd be very interested to hear a more comprehensible explanation if you are capable of giving one.
The reason it is bull is because the reason he was there is irrelevant. It does not matter if he was there to complain about being buzzed on a hunt or his hedge was too high. The only thing that matters is, was it a deliberate act or not. The rest is political posturing for the sake of it unless you are arguing that being a fox hunter is a reason to be murdered.
The bull about fox hunting? What are your reasons for thinking that an illegal activity is bull? I'd be very interested to hear a more comprehensible explanation if you are capable of giving one.
The reason it is bull is because the reason he was there is irrelevant. It does not matter if he was there to complain about being buzzed on a hunt or his hedge was too high. The only thing that matters is, was it a deliberate act or not. The rest is political posturing for the sake of it unless you are arguing that being a fox hunter is a reason to be murdered.
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jpcme;1156343 wrote: The reason it is bull is because the reason he was there is irrelevant. It does not matter if he was there to complain about being buzzed on a hunt or his hedge was too high. The only thing that matters is, was it a deliberate act or not.
Deliberate and premeditated, surely.
Deliberate and premeditated, surely.
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No deliberate will do. I'll let others are the semantics .
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jpcme;1156367 wrote: No deliberate will do. I'll let others are the semantics .
It's the test the court will apply, that's all.
It's the test the court will apply, that's all.
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Galbally;1155711 wrote: Wow guys feel the love.
What is it about English people and flipping foxes, and baby calves, and the little deers and all that rubbish. Its just class warfare as far as I can see, and this urban attitude to life, which is what happens when your experience of actually growing food is based on Beatrix Potter novels or the Wind in the Willows.
You have a city called London where tens of thousands of people sleep rough every night and no one gives a crap, you have a food chain based on supermarkets and an animal holocaust every week involving the suffering and death of millions of animals that are subsequently stuffed into celophane and sold on supermarket shelves and no one is remotely bothered, and then you have all these suburbanites banging on about a couple of hundred foxes as if they were little babies about to be thrown into a shredder.
Its not the foxes you love, foxes are just vermin that have nice colouring. You have to cull them one way or another, what difference does it make whether its with dogs on horses or with poison or shotguns?
Its the nobs on the horses you hate, why don't you just have nob hunts and get rid of them, starting with Lizzy Windsor in Buck house.
What a barmy lot you really are. :wah:
we have lots of Cities:rolleyes:
Helen;1156051 wrote: the dreaded words again !!!
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor.
i agree even if he went to complain,, whatever,,, seems i bit extreme and sad that he should end up dead.
Galbally;1156214 wrote: Also, I think it needs to be pointed out here, that this man who died so horribly wasn't a murderer or a rapist, he was just a huntsman, he had a wife and two young daughters, you may not have approved of his lifestyle, but no one deserves to die like that, its horrible, and I am a bit shocked at how callous people are about what is a human tragedy.
As to the facts of the case, I don't know what happened, like everyone else here, but I presume the police would have to have fairly strong suspicions that something was wrong to charge the pilot with murder, so I suspect that everything will out in the court case. If it is a case of murder (and I find it hard to credit that it would be premeditated, but who knows), then its particularly shocking how militant people are becoming on this issue.
i agree,,, i do not agree with fox hunting but,, even if they were Illegally fox hunting, even if he was being a nob going to have it out with the pilot,, that dont mean he deserves to die. I am inclined to think it was probably an accident, but then i try not to believe the worst most times until i am proved wrong:o
What is it about English people and flipping foxes, and baby calves, and the little deers and all that rubbish. Its just class warfare as far as I can see, and this urban attitude to life, which is what happens when your experience of actually growing food is based on Beatrix Potter novels or the Wind in the Willows.
You have a city called London where tens of thousands of people sleep rough every night and no one gives a crap, you have a food chain based on supermarkets and an animal holocaust every week involving the suffering and death of millions of animals that are subsequently stuffed into celophane and sold on supermarket shelves and no one is remotely bothered, and then you have all these suburbanites banging on about a couple of hundred foxes as if they were little babies about to be thrown into a shredder.
Its not the foxes you love, foxes are just vermin that have nice colouring. You have to cull them one way or another, what difference does it make whether its with dogs on horses or with poison or shotguns?
Its the nobs on the horses you hate, why don't you just have nob hunts and get rid of them, starting with Lizzy Windsor in Buck house.
What a barmy lot you really are. :wah:
we have lots of Cities:rolleyes:
Helen;1156051 wrote: the dreaded words again !!!
it dosnt say liverpool or man united supporter or what ever..............cos if it said that, it wouldnt have grabbed the headlines and this thread wouldnt have still been going.
it dosnt matter what he supported, he was still killed !!
yes i know fox hunting is illegal, i was on davidstow airfield on the 19th feb 2004 for the very last meet legal of the north cornwall foxhounds.................
it has not been prooved that these people were illegally hunting.
in fact i dont even think that has come into the question.
if they were drag hunting, they were doing a perfectly legal thing and those gyro pilots where the ones in the wrong.
has anyone on this thread actually been on a horse when a low flying aircraft has gone over them ?? i bloody well have and have feared for my life and that of the horse i was riding.
children and those no so used to handling a horse ride out on the drag hunts. its their legal right to do so and no one has the right to "buzz " them in any sort of machine let alone a flippen helicoptor.
i agree even if he went to complain,, whatever,,, seems i bit extreme and sad that he should end up dead.
Galbally;1156214 wrote: Also, I think it needs to be pointed out here, that this man who died so horribly wasn't a murderer or a rapist, he was just a huntsman, he had a wife and two young daughters, you may not have approved of his lifestyle, but no one deserves to die like that, its horrible, and I am a bit shocked at how callous people are about what is a human tragedy.
As to the facts of the case, I don't know what happened, like everyone else here, but I presume the police would have to have fairly strong suspicions that something was wrong to charge the pilot with murder, so I suspect that everything will out in the court case. If it is a case of murder (and I find it hard to credit that it would be premeditated, but who knows), then its particularly shocking how militant people are becoming on this issue.
i agree,,, i do not agree with fox hunting but,, even if they were Illegally fox hunting, even if he was being a nob going to have it out with the pilot,, that dont mean he deserves to die. I am inclined to think it was probably an accident, but then i try not to believe the worst most times until i am proved wrong:o
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spot;1156153 wrote: I expect he annoyed the filth and got the heaviest possible charge flung at him. It's why we have courts.
The idea that a pilot killed the chap with premeditation is entirely beyond belief.
From our own experience I would believe this to be the case. It is frustrating that there is not more detail as to what exactly happened at the air field. There is the question as to why the police arrested two of them. It's very odd and just does not add up.
The idea that a pilot killed the chap with premeditation is entirely beyond belief.
From our own experience I would believe this to be the case. It is frustrating that there is not more detail as to what exactly happened at the air field. There is the question as to why the police arrested two of them. It's very odd and just does not add up.
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hi oscar,
just a little something for you when you get back..............
the winning jockey of the freddie williams plate at cheltenham today was Will Biddick, the son of one of the huntsmen from the north cornwall hounds !!!
just a little something for you when you get back..............
the winning jockey of the freddie williams plate at cheltenham today was Will Biddick, the son of one of the huntsmen from the north cornwall hounds !!!
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spot;1156269 wrote: I'm trying to conjure up this bizarre image of the gyrocopter deliberately steering off the runway and chasing the chap across the grass. I don't think they're capable. It's why the pilot was using an airport and not a random grass field of which South Warwickshire boasts thousands.
i have heard he was re fueling at the time. wether this is true is as much your guess as mine. i dont know anything about safty measures for these sort of things but shouldnt it have been switched off or what ever the term is for aircraft ??
i have heard he was re fueling at the time. wether this is true is as much your guess as mine. i dont know anything about safty measures for these sort of things but shouldnt it have been switched off or what ever the term is for aircraft ??
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Helen;1156660 wrote: i have heard he was re fueling at the time. wether this is true is as much your guess as mine. i dont know anything about safty measures for these sort of things but shouldnt it have been switched off or what ever the term is for aircraft ??
That's incredible.
Technical term, incredible. It refers to credibility in extremely doubtful tones.
Fuelling a gyrocopter with the blades running? I think not.
That's incredible.
Technical term, incredible. It refers to credibility in extremely doubtful tones.
Fuelling a gyrocopter with the blades running? I think not.
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The linked story gives a completely different impression than the headline of what may have occurred. According to the linked story, Mr. Morse, on foot, was apparently hit by a gyrocopter that was “taxiing” on the runway. My guess, based on the fact that the gyrocopter apparently hit Mr. Morse hard enough to kill him quickly, is that the gyrocopter was either at the end of it’s takeoff run, or just landing.
Mr. Morse had apparently gone to the airfield to confront a gyrocopter owner. Here’s the key, however: when killed, Mr. Morse was ON FOOT on an ACTIVE RUNWAY. In my opinion, that’s the most important part of the story.
For what it’s worth, according the the story, the gyrocopter in question may or may not have been the same gyrocopter that had earlier been used by a local animal rights group. That’s part of the story worth knowing, of course, but not as important as the part about Mr. Morse being on foot on an active runway
So, my headline for the piece would have been “Aircraft kills pedestrian on runway, operators arrested for murder.” I think this story is probably about inappropriate arrest, rather than murder.
End of the day, you don't talk ill of the dead, especially before you have all the facts and evidence. Best to wait till you have that first surely?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 877904.ece
Mr. Morse had apparently gone to the airfield to confront a gyrocopter owner. Here’s the key, however: when killed, Mr. Morse was ON FOOT on an ACTIVE RUNWAY. In my opinion, that’s the most important part of the story.
For what it’s worth, according the the story, the gyrocopter in question may or may not have been the same gyrocopter that had earlier been used by a local animal rights group. That’s part of the story worth knowing, of course, but not as important as the part about Mr. Morse being on foot on an active runway
So, my headline for the piece would have been “Aircraft kills pedestrian on runway, operators arrested for murder.” I think this story is probably about inappropriate arrest, rather than murder.
End of the day, you don't talk ill of the dead, especially before you have all the facts and evidence. Best to wait till you have that first surely?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 877904.ece
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hi oscar,
hope yer havin a brill time. pity i dont know what you look like, i could watch out for you on telly lol.
will be shouting for kauto star, as much as i want to see him win, i dont want dessie to lose his record !!
theres one running in my old racing colours, green and white, at 250/1............
hope yer havin a brill time. pity i dont know what you look like, i could watch out for you on telly lol.
will be shouting for kauto star, as much as i want to see him win, i dont want dessie to lose his record !!
theres one running in my old racing colours, green and white, at 250/1............
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I am a new member on here and I only joined to disband some of the utter twaddle Oscar is talking.
For your information, I depend on hunting for work. I have hunted regularly from childhood and now work full time for hunting.
I do however, see both sides of the argument.
Firstly, whatever the beliefs of the gentleman that died on Monday, it is utterly disgusting that members do not have sympathy. No one, whatever they do, deserves to die in such horrific circumstances. Note I say die - as in, if it was deliberate or otherwise.
Secondly, it is convenient that such vehement anti hunting activists seem to forget that the violence comes from both ends. I personally have been assaulted, twice, by anti hunting sabs. Similarly, I know that pro hunting people can equally step over the mark at times. I am not an idiot - things like this go on when passions run high.
The main point for me writing is to actually make the following point about illegal hunting, which, Oscar, for someone who claims to know so much actually makes you seem to know very little.
It is NOT ILLEGAL to hunt foxes with hounds. The government recognised that foxes needed to be culled and as such various exemptions within the act exist which allow for hunting to continue. These include using hounds to flush a fox/wild mammal to a bird of prey, and indeed a shotgun. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to kill a fox, or use hounds in the process.
It is important to note here, that NO FOXES HAVE BEEN SAVED AS A RESULT OF THE HUNTING ACT. It is utterly naive on both sides to think it has. The law is extremely complex and has so many loopholes/exemptions etc it has meant that the hunts have flourished.
There are questions regarding civil liberties and class discrimination which run far deeper than the simple fox/hound argument. The law on hunting is an unworkable piece of legislation which is, and should be, an embarrassment to the British Government. Anti hunt protesters realise this now, which is why they are encouraged to go out and prove it needs enforcing. Unfortunately for every 26,752 hunting days, there has only been 1 prosecution of a registered a pack of fox hounds. The majority of convictions have been for poaching, which now falls under the Hunting Act, and was illegal (and rightly so) before the Act came into place. This is not the tread to have an ethical discussion on the pros and cons of fox hunting on, my point is that foxes are still being 'managed' and it will continue to go on - its actually a government requirement to control the fox population, as it is a government requirement to control the rabbit population (foxes now through other methods such as shooting and snaring, which in honesty have their own set of questionable ethics, but still happen and will continue too)
Ultimately, a man has died. He did not break the law in doing so - it is alleged that the person responsible for the gyrocopter is. Whatever he did, he has ended up dead. If he was an anti hunt protester, I would have sympathy for him, as I do for the anti hunting protesters who have lost their lives whilst protesting for what they believe in.
Oscar, whilst I appreciate our opinions differ, I am far better versed in fox hunting and the Hunting Act than you appear to be. Perhaps when you understand what goes on, why it happens, and the ethics behind it, you will change your mind like the last three Directors of the League Against Cruel sports, who now actively support the repeal of the Hunting Act and have changed their views on fox hunting to come in line with the pro hunting side.
For your information, I depend on hunting for work. I have hunted regularly from childhood and now work full time for hunting.
I do however, see both sides of the argument.
Firstly, whatever the beliefs of the gentleman that died on Monday, it is utterly disgusting that members do not have sympathy. No one, whatever they do, deserves to die in such horrific circumstances. Note I say die - as in, if it was deliberate or otherwise.
Secondly, it is convenient that such vehement anti hunting activists seem to forget that the violence comes from both ends. I personally have been assaulted, twice, by anti hunting sabs. Similarly, I know that pro hunting people can equally step over the mark at times. I am not an idiot - things like this go on when passions run high.
The main point for me writing is to actually make the following point about illegal hunting, which, Oscar, for someone who claims to know so much actually makes you seem to know very little.
It is NOT ILLEGAL to hunt foxes with hounds. The government recognised that foxes needed to be culled and as such various exemptions within the act exist which allow for hunting to continue. These include using hounds to flush a fox/wild mammal to a bird of prey, and indeed a shotgun. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to kill a fox, or use hounds in the process.
It is important to note here, that NO FOXES HAVE BEEN SAVED AS A RESULT OF THE HUNTING ACT. It is utterly naive on both sides to think it has. The law is extremely complex and has so many loopholes/exemptions etc it has meant that the hunts have flourished.
There are questions regarding civil liberties and class discrimination which run far deeper than the simple fox/hound argument. The law on hunting is an unworkable piece of legislation which is, and should be, an embarrassment to the British Government. Anti hunt protesters realise this now, which is why they are encouraged to go out and prove it needs enforcing. Unfortunately for every 26,752 hunting days, there has only been 1 prosecution of a registered a pack of fox hounds. The majority of convictions have been for poaching, which now falls under the Hunting Act, and was illegal (and rightly so) before the Act came into place. This is not the tread to have an ethical discussion on the pros and cons of fox hunting on, my point is that foxes are still being 'managed' and it will continue to go on - its actually a government requirement to control the fox population, as it is a government requirement to control the rabbit population (foxes now through other methods such as shooting and snaring, which in honesty have their own set of questionable ethics, but still happen and will continue too)
Ultimately, a man has died. He did not break the law in doing so - it is alleged that the person responsible for the gyrocopter is. Whatever he did, he has ended up dead. If he was an anti hunt protester, I would have sympathy for him, as I do for the anti hunting protesters who have lost their lives whilst protesting for what they believe in.
Oscar, whilst I appreciate our opinions differ, I am far better versed in fox hunting and the Hunting Act than you appear to be. Perhaps when you understand what goes on, why it happens, and the ethics behind it, you will change your mind like the last three Directors of the League Against Cruel sports, who now actively support the repeal of the Hunting Act and have changed their views on fox hunting to come in line with the pro hunting side.
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Thats the sort of good dispassionate view thats needed here sometimes. Welcome and stick around
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hi cucumber.nice to see another one of " us" on here lol.
i spent a lot of my life with the new forest fox and buck hounds having a break in the middle for family life.
spent a while as foot follower with the north cornwall until my husband died. not been out now for four years
welcome to the site, theres loads of good threads to visit,:-6
i spent a lot of my life with the new forest fox and buck hounds having a break in the middle for family life.
spent a while as foot follower with the north cornwall until my husband died. not been out now for four years
welcome to the site, theres loads of good threads to visit,:-6