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Well on top of all the problems at home, our carbon monoxide warning bleeper went off yesterday evening ! So shrill, and penetrating ! Rang emergency gas people. They were here within 3/4 hour. No gas leaks but carbon monoxide was registered. We had turned off the gas to the house straight away, and the boiler off. We were told not to turn on the gas to the house till an engineer had attended sometime today, and then to do as he said about gas supply. This is even though there was no actual gas leak.

So here we are, cold outside and no central heating or cooker! (we have a gas cooker ). I just know that the gas people will condemn our gas boiler, as it must be over 30 years old ! So the next problem is trying to find out if we can get a grant for a replacement boiler - and it's the bloody weekend, so we will have to wait until Monday before we can get anything moving along those lines. There is no way we can afford to buy another boiler ourselves ! So if we cannot get a grant, then we will just have to dig out any fur coats and thermals we have !

Fortunately we do have a small electric cooker, which was a prezzy from my sis-in-law from London - for our caravan ! We also have a microwave and we have a double calor gas burner, so we can manage for the moment. We have two halogen free-standing heaters, one for the sitting room and one for the kitchen and we are hoping that the weather does not get any colder!!!

I cannot stress enough, how important it is to invest in a proper bleeping carbon monoxide warning devise. Or smoke alarms. These devises can and do save lives. The smoke alarms can be bought for as little as £4, but the proper carbon monoxide bleepers cost more - somewhere around £30 (but worth every penny) But everybody must get these items - as we found out ! My husband had been suffering from headaches for some days, and yesterday he started to feel queezy. Then the alarm sounded ! You cannot smell carbon monoxide, not like you can gas. It builds up over-time unknown to anybody in the building, and will kill if the problem is not sorted. If you haven't got an alarm, you don't know anything about it, so nothing will be done to prevent a tragedy !!!!!!

We are still around, because we invested in a battery-operated carbon monoxide bleeper alarm some long time ago !!!!!

Please don't tell yourself it won't happen to you, because, if you have gas piped into your house, it could !!!!!!
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I am so glad you had a carbon monoxide detector! I know it sucks worrying about having to replace the gas boiler, but it's better than not living to worry about it. :-4
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Well done Gill, Thankfully you're safe. :-6

Alarms are so worthwhile, I bought all my family one last year.
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Very good advice indeed, Gill. That small detecter can save lives..........I've heard of other stories when this happened to families.



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So glad you are alright Gill, these detectors are really important and everyone should have one.
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Thanks for all your imputs in this thread, and thanks AFTR for your lovely kind offer. I'd love to take you up on it, but I haven't got a passport !!!!!

I really do feel so strongly about everbody finding the money for a carbon monoxide detector alarm. I dare not think of the consequences for my family, if we had not invested in one.
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G#Gill;1111175 wrote: Thanks for all your imputs in this thread, and thanks AFTR for your lovely kind offer. I'd love to take you up on it, but I haven't got a passport !!!!!

I really do feel so strongly about everbody finding the money for a carbon monoxide detector alarm. I dare not think of the consequences for my family, if we had not invested in one.


will the heaters keep you warm enough until you can get things done and repaired?
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Really good advice Gill.

OH is a heating engineer by trade and has seen the tragic results of carbon monoxide too many times.

Even so we were very nearly victims ourselves 18 yrs ago. We had bought an old house and there was no heating just an old gas fire, OH was busy installing heating but went off to the pub one evening. His dad and I stayed home watching telly it got chilly so we put the fire on, I remember watching the first half hour and then nothing until OH hauled me out of the house and into the street with his dad. He had all the doors and windows open and I found the kids in their PJ's in the garden.

The flue from the gas fire had a break in it just above ceiling level and all the fumes were leaking back into the room, it was lucky he came home when he did or we would all have died.

I would like to point out that all good boilers now have a safety built in if the seal breaks allowing fumes through the boiler will shut down automatically and show and alarm warning.
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Odie;1111185 wrote: will the heaters keep you warm enough until you can get things done and repaired?


I hope so Odie !! :-3
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Victoria;1111190 wrote: Really good advice Gill.

OH is a heating engineer by trade and has seen the tragic results of carbon monoxide too many times.

Even so we were very nearly victims ourselves 18 yrs ago. We had bought an old house and there was no heating just an old gas fire, OH was busy installing heating but went off to the pub one evening. His dad and I stayed home watching telly it got chilly so we put the fire on, I remember watching the first half hour and then nothing until OH hauled me out of the house and into the street with his dad. He had all the doors and windows open and I found the kids in their PJ's in the garden.

The flue from the gas fire had a break in it just above ceiling level and all the fumes were leaking back into the room, it was lucky he came home when he did or we would all have died.

I would like to point out that all good boilers now have a safety built in if the seal breaks allowing fumes through the boiler will shut down automatically and show and alarm warning.


Wow Victoria - that was a near thing !!!!
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My hubs is a plumbing/heating contractor by trade and yes we do have one. Thankfully it has never gone off. Your very lucky Gill and excellent advice.
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Bumping, just so others can read the warning.
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G#Gill;1111738 wrote: Bumping, just so others can read the warning.


anything solved yet hun?
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How are you holding out in the cold?
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I told OH about this thread and he said how come if you called the emergency gas people that the guy who came didn't do anything?

He said when he worked at a HVAC company an emergency call out was just that and you stayed until the customers problem was solved not just turn off the gas and walk away.

He was disgusted at the idea that you had been left in the cold without hot water and proper cooking facilities, and spent the rest of the evening going on about things 'going to hell in a hand basket' !

Hope you are sorted now.
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Victoria;1112165 wrote: I told OH about this thread and he said how come if you called the emergency gas people that the guy who came didn't do anything?

He said when he worked at a HVAC company an emergency call out was just that and you stayed until the customers problem was solved not just turn off the gas and walk away.

He was disgusted at the idea that you had been left in the cold without hot water and proper cooking facilities, and spent the rest of the evening going on about things 'going to hell in a hand basket' !

Hope you are sorted now.


The guy was the emergency gas leak on-call fella. He told us not to switch the gas back on into the house, and that we would have to get a proper 'Corgi' registered engineer from either British Gas (our suppliers) or an independent one, to check the boiler, to find out why it was giving off carbon monoxide fumes. He felt sure that as the boiler was so old, it would be condemned, and he put a label on the boiler saying not to use! Now, as we would have to pay a call-out charge from probably either of these engineers, which we cannot really afford, we will be trying to sort out about a grant for a replacement boiler on Monday, when we will pick their brains concerning assistance about physical help and also financial help - we are both pensioners.

All this guy was detailed to do was make sure that everything was safe - like making sure no gas was being let into our property! And of course filling in an appropriate 'job' form. He left us a phone number to call the British Gas advice, which hubby did on Saturday morning. They just repeated more or less what the call-out fella had said, and no they couldn't tell us any details concerning obtaining a grant for a replacement boiler, or who to ring about that !

It is a good job we are fairly au fait and have a little common sense! Makes you wonder how a 90 year old in a wheel chair and not 100% compus mentis would cope !

Any way, we are managing to keep warm - the two halogen heaters are working well, and the kettle is very useful. Chris (my hubby) cooked a lovely hot meal last night, and will again tonight, using the little electric oven (supposed to be for our caravan!), and the microwave cooker. He will have to nip out tomorrow to replace the empty LPG bottle, then we will have two burners and a grill as well, although the little oven does grill as well as bake !

As gas is more expensive than electricity at the moment, we are wondering whether to bother with the gas, except if it gets really sub-zero we will probably need the central heating. But I'm sure we will be OK even so (still trying to find me fleece-lined panties and thermal bra ! LOL).

Chonsi and Odie, thanks for your concern, and I think you'll find the answers to your questions in what I have said to Victoria. :-3 ;) :-6 :)
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Thank God your OK Gill your a smart women to have both alarms they do indeed save lives. Also if possible keep a window cracked for air to circulate. I know its hard in the dead of winter. :-6

Might I ask why they didn't put you up in a safe and warm hotel. Here in the US if there are elderly or children in the house without heat they must be given proper shelter till the problem is resolved. Our local Gas & Electric companies are in charge of notifying the proper source be it Red Cross or whom ever to make it happen.
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Oh Gill:-4



I've just read this. I'm so sorry about your boiler, but so happy that you're alive. What an awful thing to happen. Do you have it fixed yet.



When I first moved to my beach house, a similar thing happened to me....We had a major flood in my town ,and I lost my boiler and hot water heater...bloody expensive to fix I'll tell you. Luckily, I had insurance Which paid for it.



Wish I could do something to help.....I'd fix ya up with an Irish coffee, a hot toddy and lots of warmth...



Stay careful Gill.....

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Warm Front Energy Efficiency Grants is a good starting place for information.

You could try feeding your own figures into Search for grants and offers / Energy saving grants and offers / What can I do today? / Home - Energy Saving Trust as well.
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G#Gill;1112188 wrote: The guy was the emergency gas leak on-call fella. He told us not to switch the gas back on into the house, and that we would have to get a proper 'Corgi' registered engineer from either British Gas (our suppliers) or an independent one, to check the boiler, to find out why it was giving off carbon monoxide fumes. He felt sure that as the boiler was so old, it would be condemned, and he put a label on the boiler saying not to use! Now, as we would have to pay a call-out charge from probably either of these engineers, which we cannot really afford, we will be trying to sort out about a grant for a replacement boiler on Monday, when we will pick their brains concerning assistance about physical help and also financial help - we are both pensioners.

All this guy was detailed to do was make sure that everything was safe - like making sure no gas was being let into our property! And of course filling in an appropriate 'job' form. He left us a phone number to call the British Gas advice, which hubby did on Saturday morning. They just repeated more or less what the call-out fella had said, and no they couldn't tell us any details concerning obtaining a grant for a replacement boiler, or who to ring about that !

It is a good job we are fairly au fait and have a little common sense! Makes you wonder how a 90 year old in a wheel chair and not 100% compus mentis would cope !

Any way, we are managing to keep warm - the two halogen heaters are working well, and the kettle is very useful. Chris (my hubby) cooked a lovely hot meal last night, and will again tonight, using the little electric oven (supposed to be for our caravan!), and the microwave cooker. He will have to nip out tomorrow to replace the empty LPG bottle, then we will have two burners and a grill as well, although the little oven does grill as well as bake !

As gas is more expensive than electricity at the moment, we are wondering whether to bother with the gas, except if it gets really sub-zero we will probably need the central heating. But I'm sure we will be OK even so (still trying to find me fleece-lined panties and thermal bra ! LOL).

Chonsi and Odie, thanks for your concern, and I think you'll find the answers to your questions in what I have said to Victoria. :-3 ;) :-6 :)




so happy to hear you guys are warm and eating alright!

good luck tomorrow, am praying you get the grant.:-4
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Thanks for all the well wishes and thoughts from you all, and to Spot, yes we had dealings with 'Warm Front' when they came and offered to insulate our external walls for free ! Yes we did have it done, and the difference was immediately noticeable! These are the people Chris is ringing ! Oh and by the way, we did not have our loft insulated, although the offer was there ----- we aint got no loft, cos it's a flat roof !!!! :D

Monday 19 January 2009 :- (put this on FOC as well)

Hi everybody ! Got some good news, this afternoon, just for a change ! We can have a grant for our boiler and possibly all the radiators ! Somebody will be calling on us to check everything out in a couple of days or so. They are aware of our situation and are making it a priority job. Of course it all depends on the condition of everything central-heating in our house! They are called 'Warm Front' and get government funding to help with projects like wall insulation, loft insulation and items such as ours, for people who are on a pension, or disability allowance etc.

Anyway, Chris wasn't able to go and get another calor gas cylinder (exchange) today, but he will go tomorrow, then we will have a double burner available as well as our little oven and microwave. We checked what electricity we had used whilst the gas had been off, so far, and we had only used another £1 of electric on top of what we usually have used along with the gas! So whilst we are managing without the gas, it is in fact costing quite a bit less! Mind you, if the weather closes in and stays round the freezing point mark for days, we will be restricting ourselves to just the sitting room and the kitchen - well we are doing that now anyway :rolleyes:

Gawd, this place will be something like Beirut fairly soon, if things go according to plan. But I don't mind if it is going to make our lot better. Also it will improve the value of our property come selling time! Can't be bad ! I'm keeping my fingers crossed....................... and my toes !!
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saw your great news on the FOCer thread, but again I am soooooooooo happy you qualified for the grant!

awesome, just awesome news hun!:-4
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Good news Gill if it gets to cold have them put you up in a hotel. :-6
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CARLA;1113825 wrote: Good news Gill if it gets to cold have them put you up in a hotel. :-6


great idea Carla!
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I doubt they would do that. But if things get desperate, I'm sure we would ask the authorities for help, although I can forsee problems with our little puppy, Rex, bless him - a 12 year old German Shepherd weighing in at 38 kilos ! There is no way I would put him in kennels. No I am sure we will be OK thanks for your concerns. It will get very interesting when they come along to sort our heating arrangements out! Beirut comes to mind ! I'm just glad that we hadn't done too much decorating in the house yet ! Not sure whether we can get away with just having the boiler replaced and retain the existing radiators. There would not be such an upheaval, if that is the case. Well it will be a few days before they even come to assess everything, as they have quite a lot of work on at the moment, but we have been put down as priority/urgent, so we will just wait and see ------ and hope !

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G#Gill;1113849 wrote: I doubt they would do that. But if things get desperate, I'm sure we would ask the authorities for help, although I can forsee problems with our little puppy, Rex, bless him - a 12 year old German Shepherd weighing in at 38 kilos ! There is no way I would put him in kennels. No I am sure we will be OK thanks for your concerns. It will get very interesting when they come along to sort our heating arrangements out! Beirut comes to mind ! I'm just glad that we hadn't done too much decorating in the house yet ! Not sure whether we can get away with just having the boiler replaced and retain the existing radiators. There would not be such an upheaval, if that is the case. Well it will be a few days before they even come to assess everything, as they have quite a lot of work on at the moment, but we have been put down as priority/urgent, so we will just wait and see ------ and hope !

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they really shouldn`t make a mess if they are just replacing existing radiatiors and the boiler.......and they do take everything with them when leaving.



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Odie;1113851 wrote: they really shouldn`t make a mess if they are just replacing existing radiatiors and the boiler.........and they should take everything with them when leaving.


Well if they can replace our old boiler with a modern similar type, that would be fine by me, but I suspect they may insist on putting one of these condenser type boilers in - ones that just heat the water as taps are turned on. Also our existing boiler is on the lowest floor of our split level house, and is next to the stairs. I believe they will want to have the boiler on the next level up and in the lower loo room (we have two loos - the main one is on the upper floor between the bedrooms). Similar houses in the same road have had new central heating installed and they've all had these new type of boilers that vent out through the wall at the same height as the boiler, which is fixed to the wall. These new boilers or water heaters are a quarter of the size of our old one!

When the emergency fella called on Friday night, he looked at the boiler and a puzzled expression came on his face, then a frown. He slowly shook his head, rubbed his chin thoughtfully, then said " I haven't seen one of those for must be well over 20 years, they don't make them like that any more !" - bodes well for us don't it :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl
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G#Gill;1113858 wrote: Well if they can replace our old boiler with a modern similar type, that would be fine by me, but I suspect they may insist on putting one of these condenser type boilers in - ones that just heat the water as taps are turned on. Also our existing boiler is on the lowest floor of our split level house, and is next to the stairs. I believe they will want to have the boiler on the next level up and in the lower loo room (we have two loos - the main one is on the upper floor between the bedrooms). Similar houses in the same road have had new central heating installed and they've all had these new type of boilers that vent out through the wall at the same height as the boiler, which is fixed to the wall. These new boilers or water heaters are a quarter of the size of our old one!

When the emergency fella called on Friday night, he looked at the boiler and a puzzled expression came on his face, then a frown. He slowly shook his head, rubbed his chin thoughtfully, then said " I haven't seen one of those for must be well over 20 years, they don't make them like that any more !" - bodes well for us don't it :yh_rotfl :yh_rotfl


ask them if they can put it where the old one is first......that way there is no huge construction going on and costing you megga dollars to re-fix everything.

when we had the gas men here to run a gas pipe to our house, they didn`t care where the outside meter would be......we did, so we just asked them to put it elsewhere, no biggy.........after all, it is our home.



- explain to them first where it would be more convenient for you....not them.......and see what they say.



just don't want to see you stuck with a huge bill for renovations.
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