True Church of God

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:28 pm

Raven:-6 :-6

You are entitled to your opinion. I can support mine quite well.

You can even tell me I'm wrong. However that does not change the facts as I have listed them.

We could start with one issue, that of the Exodus. Archaeological studies have shown that it did not happen as written in the Bible. There is simply no evidence anywhere that it did. There was an Exodus of some kind but it was not as presented in the Bible. Perhpas it was an extended family or small tribe. It might even be a midrashic story going back to the expulsion of the Hyksos from the Nile Delta.

At any rate have a nice day.

Shalom

Ted:-6

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:46 pm

Ted - I am interested in what you think about all the secrets of the Catholic church. Hidden for all time in their tombs. Do you think they would reveal anything new?

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:53 pm

nvalleyvee:-6

It would certainly make for very, very. interesting reading. We might learn of Jean Paul 1 death. We might learn something of Hitler's Pope as well. The mind simply runs rampant.

Shalom

Ted:-6

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:55 pm

Ted wrote: nvalleyvee:-6

It would certainly make for very, very. interesting reading. We might learn of Jean Paul 1 death. We might learn something of Hitler's Pope as well. The mind simply runs rampant.

Shalom

Ted:-6

OMG - you have info I have never even thought about!!! Wake up Vanessa!!!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:02 pm

nvalleyvee:-6

That is only a start. Try following the apostolic succession back to Peter. It can't be done because there was about 200 years between the death of Peter and the election of the first Pope.

You might also find "Opus Dei" interesting. It ties in with fascism quite nicely and is supported by the church. It reports directly to the Pope not even a Cardinal.

Another good piece or research is how the early church treated scientists. Not very nicely. I smell something burning.

There is also a legend of a female pope, her name I have forgottten.

Then there was the time when the church had two popes who did not get along, obviously.

Shalom

Ted:-6

telaquapacky · Post by **telaquapacky** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:16 pm

koan wrote: I think continued study is what's required of everyone who reads the bible and wishes to make it a part of their life. The only "wrong" is to think one has it all "right". Oh, and believing something because you were told to is kind of wrong too.History depicts two classes of believers who lived in the Dark Ages. There were those who so strongly believed that they were right that they tortured and killed those who did not believe as they did. They controlled the governments of Europe, so it was easy to use the "civil arm" to deal with their ideological and religious enemies. There was another class of believers in the Dark Ages, who were equally convinced that they were right- but not in a way that they were willing to kill or harm anyone for it- rather, they submitted to the worst sufferings and tortures at the hands of the other class because they were so convinced that they were right that they would be tortured and die rather than violate their consciences and their devotion to God.

I think there is a lot to be said for one believing they are right to the degree that they are willing to die for it. Nobody is stupid or crazy enough to die for something they think "might be" or "may be." They all died respecting the right of others to disagree and deny, but they made a conscious choice to believe, and stuck to it to the bitter end. I don't think they thought there was something morally questionable or lacking in character in their final acts of sacrifice.

The Bible says we are saved by something called "Faith." One apostle wrote that "We walk by faith, not by sight." In other words, the believers sometimes confronted situations in life where it appeared for all of material reality that there was no God, no Savior to hope in, and no point in their beliefs. Another apostle wrote that the unbelievers would think they were crazy.

If God exists, would He be as pleased by people to whom He has to prove himself with mathematical, concrete evidence and proofs, like a life insurance salesman? Or would He be more pleased by people who hear the stories of His dealings with mankind, and in spite of all worldly evidence to the contrary, love Him and desire a relationship with Him- even without ever seeing Him? Jesus said, "Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe."

What if it turns out that God, to select for Himself a choice people who love and believe in Him without proof, allow archeology and science and every evidence of our senses to deny Him- only so through nothing but raw faith, the hearts of those who really love Him could be revealed?

Just a thought.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:28 pm

Ted wrote: nvalleyvee:-6

That is only a start. Try following the apostolic succession back to Peter. It can't be done because there was about 200 years between the death of Peter and the election of the first Pope.

You might also find "Opus Dei" interesting. It ties in with fascism quite nicely and is supported by the church. It reports directly to the Pope not even a Cardinal.

Another good piece or research is how the early church treated scientists. Not very nicely. I smell something burning.

There is also a legend of a female pope, her name I have forgottten.

Then there was the time when the church had two popes who did not get along, obviously.

Shalom

Ted:-6

I had suspected for many years. What is the fear of the church that it cannot release these records?? That, in itself, would give a clue. Is it that there really is a book of Jesus that says ........ and I am wrong except for my general quote...........".lift a rock and I am there".......... there was supposed to be something about going to a church - just as he ravaged the old church and said something like - you cannot worship me here.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:29 pm

Ted wrote: nvalleyvee:-6

That is only a start. Try following the apostolic succession back to Peter. It can't be done because there was about 200 years between the death of Peter and the election of the first Pope.

You might also find "Opus Dei" interesting. It ties in with fascism quite nicely and is supported by the church. It reports directly to the Pope not even a Cardinal.

Another good piece or research is how the early church treated scientists. Not very nicely. I smell something burning.

There is also a legend of a female pope, her name I have forgottten.

Then there was the time when the church had two popes who did not get along, obviously.

Shalom

Ted:-6

What is Opus Dei and where ccan I find it??!!!!

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:33 pm

telaquapaky:-6

I live in a developing, transforming relationship with the risen Lord. However, I see no problem with facing the realities of today and the facts that history and science and archaeology have presented to us. These facts have nothing whatsoever to do with one's faith.

Shalom

Ted:-6

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:37 pm

nvalleyvee:-6

Opus Dei is a semi secret organization within the Roman Catholic Church. It answers only to the Popel Its fundamentally, so it would seem, founded upon fascist ideology. The founder, whose name I forget for the moment was a supporter of Franco in Spain. It seems to fit in well with "Hitler's Pope".

Any search engine will locate all kinds of info on "Opus Dei".

Shalom

Ted:-6

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:41 pm

Ted wrote: nvalleyvee:-6

Opus Dei is a semi secret organization within the Roman Catholic Church. It answers only to the Popel Its fundamentally, so it would seem, founded upon fascist ideology. The founder, whose name I forget for the moment was a supporter of Franco in Spain. It seems to fit in well with "Hitler's Pope".

Any search engine will locate all kinds of info on "Opus Dei".

Shalom

Ted:-6

So the Roman Catholic church is an organization unto itself that dictates lifestyle while hiding from its congregation the truth? That says to me it thinks eveyine it "rules" is STUPID and incapable of making a fair judgement for themselves. Sounds like a dictatorship to me.

nvalleyvee · Post by **nvalleyvee** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:51 pm

I just looked it up - a cult

kmhowe72 · Post by **kmhowe72** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:17 pm

oh please the catholic church is not the true church for crying out lound. That fine if you want to bellieve that. But their is no reference in the bible to cathalizium. There is no mention that we should worship Marry. There is know mention that we have to go through priest to get to god. Go to a bible believing church and you will see it to be a lot freer. You don't have to go through tradition to get to god. That is all man made. Just because Catholics have been around since Peter , he's the creator of the church itself, not one or another.

You know you believe whatever you want. and I can believe whatever I want. It's great just have faith and thats why we have the freedom to choose the faith we want to follow. But You should no it's not the the true church. The true church is in your heart.

capt_buzzard · Post by **capt_buzzard** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:33 pm

nvalleyvee wrote: So the Roman Catholic church is an organization unto itself that dictates lifestyle while hiding from its congregation the truth? That says to me it thinks eveyine it "rules" is STUPID and incapable of making a fair judgement for themselves. Sounds like a dictatorship to me.excellent post nvalleyvee

Clint · Post by **Clint** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 11:06 pm

capt_buzzard wrote: excellent post nvalleyvee
Are there any Catholics in Ireland Capt.?

randall · Post by **randall** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:27 pm

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evening all, randall here,

How many have every thought about wby the New Testament is so pro-Paul.?

Does anyone think her hi-jacked Christianity for his own political agenda.?

I have ponder long and deeply why we hear so little of the brothers of Christ and other apostles after the four testaments.

Visitng Trabzon in Turkey, I discovered a tradition there that Andrew the brother of Christ went there and set up a church.

We hear very little about the eastern Christain church - I do not mean the Half of the Roman Catholic Church which was set up in Constantinoble.

I have a gut feeling that an awful lot of editors blue pencils went through the various codexis - or is it codexi? - before they were allowed anyway near the present bible. as we know it.

I am a non-confomist in many ways and have always, and hope that I will always, question the wheres, and hows and ifs and whatifs in the bible.

As a young teenager leading the local Christain Endeavour I earned the nickname "The Student" or "Professor" neither of which is actually an insult.

It was because I always approached a subject in discussion from a viewpoint different from everyone else.

God bless.

randle

:)

Ted · Post by **Ted** » Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:42 pm

Randall:-6

Paul was a powerful writer. In fact the earliest writings of the Christian Church came from Paul. Paul was gone from the scene before the gospels were written.

Paul had serious disagreements with James, the brother of Jesus and Peter as well as John the Baptist.

Basically he stuck to his mission to the Gentiles and the others stuck to their mission to the circumcised.

I guess looking back Paul actually played a large part in the preservation and growth of this tine cult religion of the first Cent. I think we must remember not to place Paul into the position of being and infallible writer and apostle. In fact he had no idea that what he was writing would eventually be called scripture.

Shalom

Ted:-6