About Time We Put Our Foot Down!

[abbey]

PREACHER of hate Omar Bakri Mohammed was yesterday banned from setting foot on British soil ever again.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke has excluded him as his presence is "not conductive to the public good", a Government spokesman said.



Its about time this government got tough with these b******s!!:mad:







http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objecti ... _page.html

[BTS]

abbey wrote:

Its about time this government got tough with these b******s!!:mad:




You go girl:-6 ......

I am putting my food down TOO!!!!



Until our goverment over here starts doing the same thing soon we could be sunk. The ACLU hurts our security hopes terribly.



Here is a article written before this guy was tossed praising Tony Blair. Thought I should share:







BRITISH LION ROARS



Why does Tony Blair’s strength make me worry about my own country’s weakness? Why has the vigor and courage of England’s response to terrorism given me second thoughts about America’s? The contrast has been stark. We were hit and they were hit. We acted one way and they acted another, and their way seems better.





Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been a George W. Bush supporter from the beginning. I believe going into Iraq was the right thing, and I support our efforts and our troops there. But I’m beginning to get the idea that we’re more talk than action, and that we may lack an essential mental toughness, and that we are dangerously bound by nonsensical political correctness. The cumulative impact of these things is to endanger our nation and its survival. As I have seen England’s leaders respond to the attacks against it, I’ve been embarrassed by the failure of our leaders to respond with similar resolve and candor.At the top, the British liberal is showing more spine than the American conservative.





No one is more proud of being an American than I am, and no one loves this country more I do. But an honest assessment shows that we are lacking, in our culture and in our leadership, and have apparently grown soft in our prosperity and insularity.We don’t know how to take a punch, and we don’t know how to put up a fight. The characteristics that equipped us to win the Second World War seem now to be in short supply.We still weep over September 11, while the British jaw clenches in resolve. We lost 3,000 and are patting down grandmothers at the airport; they lost 56 and are getting ready to shut down militant mosques.Our president says Islam is a religion of peace; their prime minister says militant Islam will not be tolerated in his country.Our internees get ACLU lawyers; theirs are going to be charged with treason.Our president gives us a diversity lecture; their prime minister says immigrants have a duty to support and accept English values and learn the English language.It scares me. Down deep, I just have the sense that they’re doing things right and we’re doing things wrong. I wonder if their centuries of repelling invaders and having to fight for their very existence has given them a certain fortitude that our comfort and security have denied us.





Yes, after we were attacked we put flags on our cars and our president talked tough. And, yes, we did go into Afghanistan as we should have and we did go into Iraq as we should have, but after we got there we never quite got the job done.Osama is still on the loose, in apparent command of an operational terrorist organization, the Taliban is still in the field and bloodying us, we are presiding over a quagmire in Iraq and we haven’t figured out how to keep a bunch of savages with bombs from blowing up our trucks and troops. We’ve sent our troops out, Vietnam style, and tied their hands behind their backs.We’ve taught our Army how to build schools, but we won’t free it to kill our enemies.It’s almost as if, at the highest levels of our government, we’ve forgotten how to fight. We seem to be all hat and no cattle.Tony Blair said that people preaching militant Islam and violence would be deported, if foreigners, and locked up, if Britons. He said those found praising or encouraging the terrorists would be tried for treason.Tony Blair said that militant Islamic websites would be shut down, that militant Islamic bookstores would be shut down, that militant Islamic coffee shops would be shut down, that militant Islamic mosques would be shut down.Tony Blair said imams preaching jihad would be imprisoned or deported.Our president is insisting that this is not about religion, it is about terror. George W. Bush is asking for tolerance for Muslims; Tony Blair is asking for accountability from them. One defends Muslim leaders; the other insists that they stand up and denounce their violent fellow believers.





They’re kicking butt, we’re kissing butt.England is chasing down those who attacked it; we’re confiscating fingernail files by the millions.We’re randomly checking bags on the subway. And ignoring our southern border. And winning hearts and minds.The American response has been one of weakness; the English response has been one of strength. It’s really that simple. They’re fighting and we’re pussyfooting. And that’s become obvious in recent days.Sometimes you don’t realize how short you are, until you see how tall the other fellow is. And Tony Blair is pretty tall.





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[abbey]

BTS wrote: You go girl:-6 ......

I am putting my food down TOO!!!!


:o Guess i was hungry when i posted!



Sadly, i dont fool myself into believing the UK is getting tough, i have to question would the home office

have just scooped him up & put him on a plane back to his homeland whilst he was in the UK?

I'm no fool, of course they would'nt have, they'd have taken him into custody, then released him on bail

while going through the judicial process of trying to get his western hating arse out of Britain.



So i guess the rest of the "Preachers" wont be taking a vacation in the near future!:-5

[CARLA]

Well if the leaders here in the US started kicking ass and taking names, and stopping the flow on people into our country, or making some leave you would see a whole lot of open space finally. Nah!! not enough you know whats to do what is necessary to save our country.

Damn ACLU is a huge part of the problem.. I wish they would stay the heck out of it..

Legally citizens have less, and less rights everyday.. Take a visit to your nearest MEDICAL office.. check out who is in there applying for AID.. it's an eye opener, they get housing, medical, pharmacy, food, care for their kids you name it. I'm killing myself everyday working I can't buy a home, or get aid to get one.. they can.. JUST MAKE ME ANGRY..:-5

[Accountable]

CARLA wrote: [...]Damn ACLU is a huge part of the problem.. I wish they would stay the heck out of it.. [...]
Another fine weapon of wonderous use being abused.

[gmc]

Rather gives the lie to the claim they couldn't do it before. Quite frankly most British people have been pissed off with them pussyfooting around when there were already statutes in place to shut these pillocks up.

Blair is a moral pygmy that lied to his country in order to to con them in to joining in a war against a foe that can't be fought by convntional arms by invading a country that had no connection to the terorists attacks and is arguably making things worse. Despite being the most unpopular prime minister of the last 50 years with over 60% of the voters rejecting him he still claims the moral high ground and deludes himself the country supports him.

He doesn't even have the common decency to attend the funeral of the one man in the cabinet who had the strengh of character to reject the ridiculous claims about Iraq and resign as a matter of conscience prereffering to stay on holiday. John McCririck may have chosen an inappropriate place to make his comments but he was stating what most of Scotland think of Tony Blair not being there imho.

from the article quoted by bts

Our president gives us a diversity lecture; their prime minister says immigrants have a duty to support and accept English values and learn the English language.


Don't mind using the language-it's too eclectic and useful not to which is why is one reason it has become so pervasive but I'll' be damned if I know what an english value is exactly and have a sneaking suspicion bordering on the near conviction that it can never be as good as a scots one.

[BTS]

gmc wrote:



Blair is a moral pygmy that lied to his country in order to to con them in to joining in a war against a foe that can't be fought by convntional arms by invading a country that had no connection to the terorists attacks and is arguably making things worse. Despite being the most unpopular prime minister of the last 50 years with over 60% of the voters rejecting him he still claims the moral high ground and deludes himself the country supports him.


This is sorta interesting to me:

What is your take on it?



Mural Found in Iraq

In the circle it says, "Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq."

Along the bottom it says, "May God preserve Iraq and Saddam."

Attached files

[gmc]

Posted by BTS

This is sorta interesting to me:

What is your take on it?

Mural Found in Iraq

In the circle it says, "Saddam Hussein, President of Iraq."

Along the bottom it says, "May God preserve Iraq and Saddam."


Not a lot, depends who drew it and means absolutely nothing. If you imply it was drawn by iraqui supporters of Saddam then it is hardly surprising they will now make a connection.

Don't misunderstand, saddam was a problem but invading was not the way to deal with him.

I have no objection to a war on terrorists but you need to target carefully and not provoke the entire region by destroying everything in sight. Al Queda were a small group and not representative of most muslims it's a war for intelligence services and special forces not the big battalions. All they do is add fuel to the fire, after 911 the US came roaring down off the moral high ground and seems to have forgotten the way back.

What's your take on this?

From the 911 commission report

Responding to a presidential tasking, Clarke’s office sent a memo to Rice on September 18, titled “Survey of Intelligence Information on Any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks.” Rice’s chief staffer on Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, concurred in its conclusion that only some anecdotal evidence

linked Iraq to al Qaeda.The memo found no “compelling case”that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the attacks. It passed along a few foreign intelligence reports, including the Czech report alleging an April 2001 Prague meeting between Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer (discussed in chapter 7) and a Polish report that personnel at the headquarters of Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad were told before September 11 to go on the streets to gauge crowd reaction to an unspecified event.Arguing that the case for links between Iraq and al Qaeda was weak, the memo pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Finally, the memo said, there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional

weapons.62 On the afternoon of 9/11, according to contemporaneous notes, Secretary Rumsfeld instructed General Myers to obtain quickly as much information as


http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/

I sometimes wonder if anyone in america ever read this report and ask the obvious question of why invade Iraq?

from Robin Cook's resignation speech

Ironically, it is only because Iraq's military forces are so weak that we can even contemplate its invasion. Some advocates of conflict claim that Saddam's forces are so weak, so demoralised and so badly equipped that the war will be over in a few days.

We cannot base our military strategy on the assumption that Saddam is weak and at the same time justify pre-emptive action on the claim that he is a threat.

Iraq probably has no weapons of mass destruction in the commonly understood sense of the term - namely a credible device capable of being delivered against a strategic city target.

It probably still has biological toxins and battlefield chemical munitions, but it has had them since the 1980s when US companies sold Saddam anthrax agents and the then British Government approved chemical and munitions factories.

Why is it now so urgent that we should take military action to disarm a military capacity that has been there for 20 years, and which we helped to create?

Why is it necessary to resort to war this week, while Saddam's ambition to complete his weapons programme is blocked by the presence of UN inspectors?


Blair is a liar and is damaging british democracy and possibly destroying the Labour party, just as Maggie destroyed the Tories, as the grass roots support drops away-maybe he didn't go to Robin Cooks funeral because he was ashamed, assuming he knows what shame is.

Don't mind you using the article as a bye line, or whatever you call it, at the end of your posts but I must admit it bugs the life out of me.