Racism and Hate Groups

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:59 am

I was wondering what personal experiences people at FG have had regarding racism and hate groups.

Are you racist? Even on a small level/scale towards a group?

Have you ever been the victim of a racist or hate group?

Have you ever seen first hand the activities of racism or hate groups?

My very first experience is as a child, when my family stressed to me that black people were to be feared and of a lesser race than I. I was completely shocked when I met two teenage black girls at a basketball camp and they were nicer than most of the other girls I met.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:11 am

devist8me;1028137 wrote: I was wondering what personal experiences people at FG have had regarding racism and hate groups.

Are you racist? Even on a small level/scale towards a group?

Have you ever been the victim of a racist or hate group?

Have you ever seen first hand the activities of racism or hate groups?

My very first experience is as a child, when my family stressed to me that black people were to be feared and of a lesser race than I. I was completely shocked when I met two teenage black girls at a basketball camp and they were nicer than most of the other girls I met.

I have never been rascist although it's been hinted at me on here, beacause i have oppossed Obabma in other threads. That however, is the sheer ignorance of the one suggessting it.

So the fact that imho, he'd make a lousey President, makes me a rascist??

My husband has worked for a Muslim family for 10 years. They are our best friends and neighbours too. I see kids as young as 10 yrs old hurling abuse at them, because they think it's the right thing to do and cool.

The parents should be held to account. It's instiled in some kids very young. They grow up rascist because of their parents bigotry, not their own free opinion.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:21 am

nope not racist and not seen it first hand...Im a Lover not a Hater:D

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:20 am

jimbo;1028337 wrote: i am half romany gypsy and half well normal white english

i got race hate from non gypsy and called a half breed and race hate from the gypsy lot .... no wonder i grew up without prejudice ...... i hate every one :wah::wah::wah::wah:

What's a 'well normal white english?? Is that the same as an un-well white english?? :wah::wah:

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:26 am

jimbo;1028411 wrote: yu know i meant well ,normal white english :p:p

There is nothing "normal" about Jimbo:wah:

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:32 am

oscar;1028280 wrote: I have never been rascist although it's been hinted at me on here, beacause i have oppossed Obabma in other threads. That however, is the sheer ignorance of the one suggessting it.

So the fact that imho, he'd make a lousey President, makes me a rascist??

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I hate it when people play the "race card" (I think is what it's called). Where since you don't agree with one's opinion, it must be for some petty thing like race. I suppose this could go for religion too (He doesn't like me because I'm Catholic") or women ("She only got the job because she's a woman") blah blah blah.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:37 am

Mainly I pity racists.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:41 am

jimbo;1028437 wrote: what colour racists

Hmmm

Normally I would say any but to be honest it bothers me most when its white against black. Maybe because its most predominant.

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:41 am

jimbo;1028430 wrote: if any of my thoughts were normal and like everyone else's then what would be the point of me having them

rolleyes::rolleyes:

Exactly babe....you wouldn't be you and I wouldn't be me.:wah:

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:16 pm

jimbo;1028458 wrote: soo you find white against black more upsetting hmmmm

how about white against white but of different races

does it have to be about colour even??? i know quite a few jamacans that dont like africans and vise versa

I dunno Jim.

I think Ill just keep doing what Im doing, it seems to be working for me.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:22 pm

devist8me;1028137 wrote: I was wondering what personal experiences people at FG have had regarding racism and hate groups.

Are you racist? Even on a small level/scale towards a group?

Have you ever been the victim of a racist or hate group?

Have you ever seen first hand the activities of racism or hate groups?

My very first experience is as a child, when my family stressed to me that black people were to be feared and of a lesser race than I. I was completely shocked when I met two teenage black girls at a basketball camp and they were nicer than most of the other girls I met.

I am not a racist in any size shape or form, but during my lifetime have bore witness to many violent acts of brutality against not only Blacks, but Asians. My first marriage was to a girl from Florida, and though she herself was not racist, her entire family was big time, live it every day racist. It was a major topic of their conversations. This was all pre civil rights times in the mid 50's. Had I ventured to disapprove verbally or aid physically, my own life and limb would have been in jeprody, I kid you not.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:27 pm

You do know New Zealand is a country of barbaric cannibals dont you ?

Its what theyre known for.

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:32 pm

Nomad;1028586 wrote: You do know New Zealand is a country of barbaric cannibals dont you ?

Its what theyre known for.

The Pakeha's (whiite people) don't really taste good and there aren't any full blooded Maori's left, just mixed breed, and their tough eating and a bit on the lemony side.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:34 pm

Lon;1028593 wrote: The Pakeha's (whiite people) don't really taste good and there aren't any full blooded Maori's left, just mixed breed, and their tough eating and a bit on the lemony side.

And yet that doesnt stop you does it ?

Whats for Thanksgiving this year Lon ? Go on tell em !

Lon · Post by **Lon** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:38 pm

Nomad;1028597 wrote: And yet that doesnt stop you does it ?

Whats for Thanksgiving this year Lon ? Go on tell em !

Thanksgiving will actually be roast lamb with mint sauce. New Zealand turkeys are not much bigger than chickens.

Violetmay · Post by **Violetmay** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:49 pm

I am multi/mixed/race and have experienced racism first hand. I am very open minded myself. Live and let live. There's good and bad in every race/religion/gender etc. But the worst I've had is from white neo nazi groups.

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:00 pm

Racism is ugly and pitiful. And yes, it does exist everywhere. It's used as a convenience......to label people.........to dismiss people...so the racist doesn't have to take the time to really know the person or group of people. IMO

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:05 pm

Lon;1028604 wrote: Thanksgiving will actually be roast lamb with mint sauce. New Zealand turkeys are not much bigger than chickens.

You are LYING !

Ill just bet your having an Auckland sheep herder or mill worker.

Violetmay · Post by **Violetmay** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:44 pm

fuzzy butt;1028643 wrote: I think it's important to know why someone is within this group. What's there learning and how were they brought up . And what makes someone want to join a racist group of people. nazism was not born from skin heads (they are just the foot soldiers) but intellectuals and scientists.

I agree. And I've heard many a good argument for it. National pride, purity of race. But having been part of a, 'Cleansing', campaign, or subjected to one, I saw no intellect evident just blind hate.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:50 pm

Violetmay;1028619 wrote: I am multi/mixed/race and have experienced racism first hand. I am very open minded myself. Live and let live. There's good and bad in every race/religion/gender etc. But the worst I've had is from white neo nazi groups.

Can you be more specific of how you experienced it first hand? I'm just curious.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:52 pm

fuzzy butt;1028643 wrote: I think it's important to know why someone is within this group. What's there learning and how were they brought up . And what makes someone want to join a racist group of people. nazism was not born from skin heads (they are just the foot soldiers) but intellectuals and scientists.

From what I've read, it seems a lot of people join these hate groups as a way of feeling like they belong to something and to feel accepted within a group. They don't actually develop the "hate" thoughts until after they've been accepted. Then, they want to continue with the feelings of acceptability so develop the groups thoughts and ideas.

I'd have to guess the more insecure people get drawn in first.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:57 pm

It is fact now that Britain is a multi-cultural country. Am i the only one to experience 'white racists' ?????:(:(

wildhorses · Post by **wildhorses** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:21 pm

oscar;1028798 wrote: It is fact now that Britain is a multi-cultural country. Am i the only one to experience 'white racists' ?????:(:(

Racism against whites is running rampant here in USA.

lukeofyorkshire · Post by **lukeofyorkshire** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:45 am

There has been alot of good stuff said in this thread already and I probably going to repeat lots of it lol. :wah:

I am thankful for having very open minded parents as the area I grew up in was quite bigoted at one point. They taught us as the late great Martin Luther King said to judge people on the content of their character.

I have seen it all in my time and have actively opposed it where I have seen it be it white on black racism, culture on culture etc.

You do get racism towards whites although it is not as common. I saw this once a few years ago and will tell you the tale as it happened as it may be of interest:

I was walking from my house to McDonalds and was cutting through the car park of a Pub (A Bar) where I saw an Asian/Indian guy arguing with his white girlfriend whilst his white male friend was looking on laughing. He was calling her pink this and Western b***h that, I had already decided to intervene as I approached when he hit her and pushed her to the ground and continued to hit her and be abusive, his mate was still laughing and encouraging him. I shouted and ran over and put myself between them, well I never been a very good fighter :wah: and I got badly beaten, I lost 2 teeth lol as well

Thankfully other people came to our help.

I can never understand why people have hatred towards someone just because they are different.

I became involved with the Anti-Fascist scene for a while here and whilst I have not taken part in demos for years I always keep an eye on what is happening and lend support where I can.

Prejudice and racism is due to lack of education and ignorance on the part of those who hold these views. I try to educate where I can but sometimes you just can't get through to people. For example my wife who I am separated from held some pretty appalling views on Muslims and other groups. This came from her living in an area where the population was 99.5% white and her having no interaction with these other groups and her buying into stuff she sees in the media who do us all no favours here with stories about terrorist this and immigrant scrounger that. I managed to successfully educate her to a degree but it was always a bone of contention between us.

I am lucky to live in Leeds with such a diverse population and I have always worked with large numbers of Black Africans and Muslims. This helped me to understand their cultures and see them as people and not some evil group like many hate groups would like you to beleive. Rather ironically as I was typing this lol 4 of the buildings cleaning staff who are all African left for the day.

I think the most common form of racism at the moment is Islamphobia due to 9/11 and July 7 and July 21. It annoys me cos some of my closest mates are Muslims from either my school days or through past jobs I have had. I have always found them to be very friendly, caring people and it's the small minority in the community much like in every other community who spoil it for the majority. I went to school with one of the July 7 Bombers, this was very close to home as you can imagine but I did not tarr all Muslims with the same brush. The bombers were not evil because they were Muslim they were evil because they were evil, in fact in my opinion having read the Koran amongst other holy books I do not think they deserve to be called Muslims. In case anyone is wondering lol I am not religious I am in fact an athiest lol, I just find studying religion interesting!

Well thats my 2 cents.......

Violetmay · Post by **Violetmay** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:24 am

devist8me;1028792 wrote: Can you be more specific of how you experienced it first hand? I'm just curious.

A neo-nazi group linked to a u.k football team, assaulted me whilst at work (threw bottles with their urine in at me), and followed me home where they started a hate mail campaign.

lukeofyorkshire · Post by **lukeofyorkshire** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:02 am

Violetmay;1028973 wrote: A neo-nazi group linked to a u.k football team, assaulted me whilst at work (threw bottles with their urine in at me), and followed me home where they started a hate mail campaign.

Blimey thats not good!! Footy hooligans do my had in, I'm a Leeds fan and we as a club have too many of those kind of people

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:17 am

I was born and raised in a big city and was always surrounded by kids and adults from all over the world. So I don't see people as different just because they're from somewhere else. We're all humans. And that Martin Luther King quote about judging people on the content of their character is one of my favorite quotes. :-6

lukeofyorkshire · Post by **lukeofyorkshire** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:24 am

Yeah Martin Luther King and JFK and their like had a great way with words that seems to have been lost by public speakers now

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:08 am

born and raised here, huge huge city, there are people living her from all over the world, alot of rasim, & crime, it has and always will be like this.

certain ethnic groups have their own gangs.

accept the white folks.

devist8me · Post by **devist8me** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:53 am

Thanks for sharing (esp lukeof and violetmay)...I am shocked!