Presidential Prediction

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:41 pm

gmc;1007222 wrote:

Eh Pakistan is supposed to be an ally-although if americans keep attacking over their borders they might change their minds. Certainlt the locals on the border might decide to join with the Taliban. In case you are unaware it is likely to be british troops that will bear the brunt of that.

Do you know that Obama/Biden want to go into Pakistan just to get Osama bin laden and the terrorists just inside the border?

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:41 pm

shelbell;1007237 wrote: Do you know that Obama/Biden want to go into Pakistan just to get Osama bin laden and the terrorists just inside the border? Iran, Sierra and Iraq. I am sure they all have the tools and knowledge all ready to have nuke weapons. It is only a matter of time before 911 happens again. but much worse this time.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:44 pm

southern yankee;1007364 wrote: Iran, Sierra and Iraq. I am sure they all have the tools and knowledge all ready to have nuke weapons. It is only a matter of time before 911 happens again. but much worse this time.

I've heard that Iran could have active nukes in as little as 3-4 years. North Korea is another one we have to watch, they already have nukes and have done testing with one.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:50 pm

shelbell;1007373 wrote: I've heard that Iran could have active nukes in as little as 3-4 years. North Korea is another one we have to watch, they already have nukes and have done testing with one. I have said N. Korea is one that will strike when nobody is looking:(

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:12 pm

southern yankee;1007383 wrote: I have said N. Korea is one that will strike when nobody is looking:(

What's worse is Kim jong ill(however you spell his name:wah:) is MIA...we don't even know who's running the show right now over there so we don't know how to even try to deal with them.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:14 pm

southern yankee;1007383 wrote: I have said N. Korea is one that will strike when nobody is looking:(

Here's just a bit of weird trivia...did you know that the average N.Korean is 3 inches shorter than the average S. Korean?

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:52 am

Nomad;1006515 wrote: [quote=Accountable;1006478] I would feel more comfortable (a little) if it were a Biden vs Palin race.

That was my general feeling.

Doesn't matter, though. Unless more voters can be pried away from the false choice of "lesser of two evils" we citizens lose, lose big, and will continue to lose until we've lost it all.

:wah:

I just dont know how to reply to you sometimes. I love you (that has nothing to do with me having dreams about you) but Im beginning to think your less a purist and more of an extremist. Youre rigid buddy, cant you bend a little ?

Nothing stays the same forever.

The world is much bigger than it was 250 yrs ago.

Your going to be a cranky old fart ! :-4
:yh_rotfl

I'm fine with change. Let's change according to the rules, though. It's too inconvenient or hard to change the constitution so we just ignore it. It's too inconvenient or hard to pass a law so we just find a judge to make one up. This crap's gotta stop. Yeh, I get on a soapbox about this stuff, but it's that important to me.

The USA was created differently than any other country, to be different from any other country. Mismanagement and powermongering have morphed us until we're very nearly just another nation. We the citizens have allowed our federation to decay to the point that we're not America anymore. It's sad and it's wrong.

K.Snyder · Post by **K.Snyder** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:24 am

shelbell;1007414 wrote: What's worse is Kim jong ill(however you spell his name:wah:) is MIA...we don't even know who's running the show right now over there so we don't know how to even try to deal with them.

Is or is not a coincidence with the recent spotlight on N. Korea's Nuclear interests?...

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:28 am

K.Snyder;1019754 wrote: Is or is not a coincidence with the recent spotlight on N. Korea's Nuclear interests?... i have a feeling. we should be more concern with N. Korea. I feel they will be silent but deadly.

:sneaky:

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:56 am

K.Snyder;1019754 wrote: Is or is not a coincidence with the recent spotlight on N. Korea's Nuclear interests?...

That's something I hadn't thought about K.

shelbell · Post by **shelbell** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:10 pm

southern yankee;1019777 wrote: i have a feeling. we should be more concern with N. Korea. I feel they will be silent but deadly.

:sneaky:

You could be right on the mark with that call SY!

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:01 pm

Us fine British chaps have a bit of a problem with our great leader Gordon Brown on account of him being Scottish.

He may be the mastermind behind solving the worlds econonmy crisis and being hailed by worlds press as the great Messiah -- but frankly, we can't understand a bloody word he says.

Recent press reports are that the great scottish one has learnt to "Downspeak" in order for his own countrymen to understand what the hell he is saying.

Tough on you--- when the Arab gets in :wah::wah::wah:

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:12 pm

the world is such a dangerous place now. you feel like peeking from under the bed. Sometimes to afraid to turn on the TV. How do we explain this life to our children and grandchildren?? What do you say?/ How do you say it???? Without instilling fear in them??

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:48 pm

southern yankee;1020171 wrote: the world is such a dangerous place now. you feel like peeking from under the bed. Sometimes to afraid to turn on the TV. How do we explain this life to our children and grandchildren?? What do you say?/ How do you say it???? Without instilling fear in them??

To be honest Southern Yankee, if Ali Barry Bingo gets in, i might be tempted to run into the street screaming WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Us Britis are far too dignified to resort to such behaviour. We shall quietly panic from the privacy of our underground bunkers with our union jacks in a dignified manner with a British stiff upper lip and a nice cup of tea. Thats the way we have behaved for centuries and we shall continue to do so. God Save The Queen and all who sail in her.

Seriously though, i know what your saying. We can't shield the kids from it forever can we? I think that it's the reason that the worlds media have really zoomed in on your election because this time, there is alot a stake especially with the conflict we already have with the Middle East. Oh and Russia, North Korea, Al-Queda, etc etc.

I do believe kids need to be educated. I know my family speaks to the kids about the US election because they need to learn a wider world than the one under their noses. I don't think we should put the fear of god up them though. Just update them as and when significant developements take place.

A similar fear was struck into people during the Kennedy Cuban Missile Crisis and Bay of Pigs. I think if everyone thought about what world they are leaving behind for their children -- There would be no war.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:02 pm

oscar;1020200 wrote: To be honest Southern Yankee, if Ali Barry Bingo gets in, i might be tempted to run into the street screaming WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Us Britis are far too dignified to resort to such behaviour. We shall quietly panic from the privacy of our underground bunkers with our union jacks in a dignified manner with a British stiff upper lip and a nice cup of tea. Thats the way we have behaved for centuries and we shall continue to do so. God Save The Queen and all who sail in her.

Seriously though, i know what your saying. We can't shield the kids from it forever can we? I think that it's the reason that the worlds media have really zoomed in on your election because this time, there is alot a stake especially with the conflict we already have with the Middle East. Oh and Russia, North Korea, Al-Queda, etc etc.

I do believe kids need to be educated. I know my family speaks to the kids about the US election because they need to learn a wider world than the one under their noses. I don't think we should put the fear of god up them though. Just update them as and when significant developements take place.

A similar fear was struck into people during the Kennedy Cuban Missile Crisis and Bay of Pigs. I think if everyone thought about what world they are leaving behind for their children -- There would be no war. i agree with you. but i think he is a shoe in:(

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:09 pm

southern yankee;1020207 wrote: a shoe in:(

A what??

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:34 pm

oscar;1020212 wrote: A what??

sorry--he will definitely win. sometimes it is hard for me to figure out your slang too.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:36 pm

A couple of points

1. The world has always, always been dangerous on a personal level, if you think its bad now, how do you think Londoners felt in 1939?

2. Barak Obama is a Christian American, he is not a muslim, or a revolutionary, or a communist, but he is black, which is where most of this "If he gets in its the end of the world" thing. I can assure you that black people have just at little inclination to destroy civilization as white people, as they also find it agreeable (or so my uniformed friends down the "Malcolm X" club tell me.

3. The people who have gotten us into this mess are for the most part totally respectable, right wing, hard-working, capitalism-loving, white middle aged men; not muslims or women, or black lads, or chinese people, or anyone else, so maybe it won't be so bad giving the black guy a chance for a change, he can't do any worse than georgie boy (not if he tried).

4. There are indeed, specific problems, most pressingly climate change, which seriously seriously seriously is going to make the credit crunch look like a chip-pan fire down the parish hall if we don't wake up to it. In fact its going to be quite a similar scenario I think when reality bites, except that governments can't bail the climate out. And yes, there is also a real problem between us and the muslims, but thats not new either, in fact its as old as the hills.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:38 pm

Galbally;1020244 wrote: A couple of points

1. The world has always, always been dangerous on a personal level, if you think its bad now, how do you think Londoners felt in 1939?

2. Barak Obama is a Christian American, he is not a muslim, or a revolutionary, or a communist, but he is black, which is where most of this "If he gets in its the end of the world" thing. I can assure you that black people have just at little inclination to destroy civilization as white people, as they also find it agreeable (or so my uniformed friends down the "Malcolm X" club tell me.

3. The people who have gotten us into this mess are for the most part totally respectable, right wing, hard-working, capitalism-loving, white middle aged men; not muslims or women, or black lads, or chinese people, or anyone else, so maybe it won't be so bad giving the black guy a chance for a change, he can't do any worse than georgie boy (not if he tried).

4. There are indeed, specific problems, most pressingly climate change, which seriously seriously seriously is going to make the credit crunch look like a chip-pan fire down the parish hall if we don't wake up to it. In fact its going to be quite a similar scenario I think when reality bites, except that governments can't bail the climate out. And yes, there is also a real problem between us and the muslims, but thats not new either, in fact its as old as the hills. it must have fearful there in 39. worst then 911 i am sure.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:03 pm

southern yankee;1020242 wrote: sorry--he will definitely win. sometimes it is hard for me to figure out your slang too.

Arr got you. I don't trust the polls at all. We've had many a shock result in this country before. I do believe that on the day, it'll be different.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:05 pm

southern yankee;1020245 wrote: it must have fearful there in 39. worst then 911 i am sure.

Not really, they knew the enemy then :sneaky::sneaky:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:06 pm

Galbally;1020244 wrote: A couple of points

1. The world has always, always been dangerous on a personal level, if you think its bad now, how do you think Londoners felt in 1939?

2. Barak Obama is a Christian American, he is not a muslim, or a revolutionary, or a communist, but he is black, which is where most of this "If he gets in its the end of the world" thing. I can assure you that black people have just at little inclination to destroy civilization as white people, as they also find it agreeable (or so my uniformed friends down the "Malcolm X" club tell me.

3. The people who have gotten us into this mess are for the most part totally respectable, right wing, hard-working, capitalism-loving, white middle aged men; not muslims or women, or black lads, or chinese people, or anyone else, so maybe it won't be so bad giving the black guy a chance for a change, he can't do any worse than georgie boy (not if he tried).

4. There are indeed, specific problems, most pressingly climate change, which seriously seriously seriously is going to make the credit crunch look like a chip-pan fire down the parish hall if we don't wake up to it. In fact its going to be quite a similar scenario I think when reality bites, except that governments can't bail the climate out. And yes, there is also a real problem between us and the muslims, but thats not new either, in fact its as old as the hills.

galbally, do you think my aversion to Ali Barry Bingo is purely racially motivated?

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:09 pm

oscar;1020285 wrote: Not really, they knew the enemy then :sneaky::sneaky: i guess you are right:(

Post by **Bryn Mawr** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:18 pm

southern yankee;1020245 wrote: it must have fearful there in 39. worst then 911 i am sure.

Imagine 9/11 happening every night for eight months - not just in London but in cities across Britain.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:23 pm

Bryn Mawr;1020307 wrote: Imagine 9/11 happening every night for eight months - not just in London but in cities across Britain. very frightening for all. but the poor children:-1

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:25 pm

Bryn Mawr;1020307 wrote: Imagine 9/11 happening every night for eight months - not just in London but in cities across Britain.

I can Bryn. My brother in law was born on the underground. My husband was a war baby. His mother was bombed out in The East End. We have many photographs and stories handed down by word of mouth.

I have always been educated by my father as to what happened to every city in Britain. Dead men tell no lies.

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:28 pm

oscar;1020322 wrote: I can Bryn. My brother in law was born on the underground. My husband was a war baby. His mother was bombed out in The East End. We have many photographs and stories handed down by word of mouth.

I have always been educated by my father as to what happened to every city in Britain. Dead men tell no lies. just awful:(

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:35 pm

oscar;1020288 wrote: galbally, do you think my aversion to Ali Barry Bingo is purely racially motivated?

Of course mustapha! Rock the Casbah! :p

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:06 pm

Galbally;1020813 wrote: Of course mustapha! Rock the Casbah! :p

:yh_shhhh:yh_shhhh:yh_shamrk

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:28 am

oscar;1020200 wrote: To be honest Southern Yankee, if Ali Barry Bingo gets in, i might be tempted to run into the street screaming WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE.

Us Britis are far too dignified to resort to such behaviour. We shall quietly panic from the privacy of our underground bunkers with our union jacks in a dignified manner with a British stiff upper lip and a nice cup of tea. Thats the way we have behaved for centuries and we shall continue to do so. God Save The Queen and all who sail in her.

Seriously though, i know what your saying. We can't shield the kids from it forever can we? I think that it's the reason that the worlds media have really zoomed in on your election because this time, there is alot a stake especially with the conflict we already have with the Middle East. Oh and Russia, North Korea, Al-Queda, etc etc.

I do believe kids need to be educated. I know my family speaks to the kids about the US election because they need to learn a wider world than the one under their noses. I don't think we should put the fear of god up them though. Just update them as and when significant developements take place.

A similar fear was struck into people during the Kennedy Cuban Missile Crisis and Bay of Pigs. I think if everyone thought about what world they are leaving behind for their children -- There would be no war.

Actually our parents and grandparents did think about it-were the generation that fought the second world war and turned their backs on the days of empire. Nothing politicises people like the slaughter of mass warfare. That's why we have a welfare state, the united nations, the EU-bear in mind those who voted to join it (a fact which ukip like to forget-we did have a referendum) were in the main those who fought in the second world war. America has never had the experience of warfare on their doorstep they had in europe. That is perhaps one of the reasons they are only now having a serious debate about issues like welfare reform and what govt should be going and coming round to the notion that maybe they should demand certain things as a right. The right wing in US politics was never defeated it just morphed in to something else. The last eight years they have had complete control and the US is bankrupt and divided like never before.

McCain is the idiot that thinks US troops should be in iraq indefinitely and thinks war war is better than jaw jaw (to paraphrase churchill). I don't care what they do at home but their foreign policy has a major impact. Al McCain will do with a hardline attitude is get the same in response. If the only option you offer is my way or the highway then you will have warfare. Americans would not accept another country telling them what to do-why they expect other countries to accept it beggars belief. Go to war if you have to don't start them when you don't need to.

Apart from 911 the only terrorist attacks actually in america have been from their own home grown nutters. If al queda had been serious about terrorist attacks on the US forget all the high tech stuff-a few car bombs in the middle of washington or any of their larger cities would be a lot more effective and easier to carry out. I suspect the americans would eventually learn to live with it as well. Admittedly the attack was on a major scale but we have learned that terrorists can't be defeated by conventional methods. Invading a country that had no connected to the terrorists was not the smartest of moves. That Obama opposed that from the word go is to his credit imo.

I do believe kids need to be educated. I know my family speaks to the kids about the US election because they need to learn a wider world than the one under their noses. I don't think we should put the fear of god up them though. Just update them as and when significant developements take place.

I have a teenage nephew who is likely to be in Afghanistan next year. The interest politics now has for him and his cousins is startling-from complete indifference to fascination.

I don't really care what americans do in their own country but if mccain palin get in look forward to a rapid exit from nato on the part of the europeans (do we really need another european war stared this time by america?) the creation of a european defence force, russia re-arming and china getting ready for war as well. as they wait and see what happens in american foreign policy.

Accountable · Post by **Accountable** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:45 am

gmc;1020909 wrote: That Obama opposed that from the word go is to his credit imo.Don't fool yourself. Obama is the consummate political animal. He was against it because there was no political cost and large potential gain. Had he been a senator at the time you'd see him in lock-step with John Kerry.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:53 am

gmc;1020909 wrote: Actually our parents and grandparents did think about it-were the generation that fought the second world war and turned their backs on the days of empire. Nothing politicises people like the slaughter of mass warfare. That's why we have a welfare state, the united nations, the EU-bear in mind those who voted to join it (a fact which ukip like to forget-we did have a referendum) were in the main those who fought in the second world war. America has never had the experience of warfare on their doorstep they had in europe. That is perhaps one of the reasons they are only now having a serious debate about issues like welfare reform and what govt should be going and coming round to the notion that maybe they should demand certain things as a right. The right wing in US politics was never defeated it just morphed in to something else. The last eight years they have had complete control and the US is bankrupt and divided like never before.

McCain is the idiot that thinks US troops should be in iraq indefinitely and thinks war war is better than jaw jaw (to paraphrase churchill). I don't care what they do at home but their foreign policy has a major impact. Al McCain will do with a hardline attitude is get the same in response. If the only option you offer is my way or the highway then you will have warfare. Americans would not accept another country telling them what to do-why they expect other countries to accept it beggars belief. Go to war if you have to don't start them when you don't need to.

Apart from 911 the only terrorist attacks actually in america have been from their own home grown nutters. If al queda had been serious about terrorist attacks on the US forget all the high tech stuff-a few car bombs in the middle of washington or any of their larger cities would be a lot more effective and easier to carry out. I suspect the americans would eventually learn to live with it as well. Admittedly the attack was on a major scale but we have learned that terrorists can't be defeated by conventional methods. Invading a country that had no connected to the terrorists was not the smartest of moves. That Obama opposed that from the word go is to his credit imo.

I have a teenage nephew who is likely to be in Afghanistan next year. The interest politics now has for him and his cousins is startling-from complete indifference to fascination.

I don't really care what americans do in their own country but if mccain palin get in look forward to a rapid exit from nato on the part of the europeans (do we really need another european war stared this time by america?) the creation of a european defence force, russia re-arming and china getting ready for war as well. as they wait and see what happens in american foreign policy.

That's it gmc, don't you hold back. There was me trying to throw southernyankee a glimmer of hope and comfort. :wah::wah::wah:

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 3:57 am

[QUOTE=gmc;1020909]Actually our parents and grandparents did think about it-were the generation that fought the second world war and turned their backs on the days of empire.

They were conscripted then so i think it was a little different. At present, no-body holds a gun at heads and says "your going". I'm not saying a day won't come when that could happen but i know for e.g in the case of my grandfather in the trenches on the Somme, he was just canon fodda.

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:38 am

Accountable;1020920 wrote: Don't fool yourself. Obama is the consummate political animal. He was against it because there was no political cost and large potential gain. Had he been a senator at the time you'd see him in lock-step with John Kerry.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge. I can't claim to be watching it that closely

posted by oscar

They were conscripted then so i think it was a little different. At present, no-body holds a gun at heads and says "your going". I'm not saying a day won't come when that could happen but i know for e.g in the case of my grandfather in the trenches on the Somme, he was just canon fodda.

Not in 1914, all sides were up for it, conscription came in later. 1939 many had already joined up seeing what was coming and volunteered. I think you underestimate the intelligence and political awareness of that generation. You had a whole generation of parents that knew what war was about, that lived through the depression and the land fit for heroes that didn't materialise. After ww2 no one was going back to the way things had been. The american experience was very different.

Mind you this has bugger all to do with the american presidential election.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:49 am

gmc;1020990 wrote:

Not in 1914, all sides were up for it, conscription came in later. 1939 many had already joined up seeing what was coming and volunteered. I think you underestimate the intelligence and political awareness of that generation. You had a whole generation of parents that knew what war was about, that lived through the depression and the land fit for heroes that didn't materialise. After ww2 no one was going back to the way things had been. The american experience was very different.

Mind you this has bugger all to do with the american presidential election.

Sorry, i didn't write that very well. there should have been a gap. No, my grandfather signed up, not conscripted. I just meant canon fodda by means of describing the carnage.

They promised homes fit for hero's, they got hero's fit for homes.

Back to the election... have you seen The Daily Mail today?? OMG More revelations about Ali Barry. They seem to have their research down to a fine art.. Not your usual hacks.

They say the gap is closing on the polls and Ali is losing support with all these dodgy connections coming out.

Gordon Brown is being hailed as the Global hero. I just bet labour are loving it.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:00 am

Hoss;1021123 wrote: The reason I don't like Barack Obama isn’t because he is Black. It’s those ears!

:wah:

I don't care what color his skin is.

I'm right with you on those ears......... he looks like a car with the back doors wide open.:wah:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:00 am

oscar;1021001 wrote: Sorry, i didn't write that very well. there should have been a gap. No, my grandfather signed up, not conscripted. I just meant canon fodda by means of describing the carnage.

They promised homes fit for hero's, they got hero's fit for homes.

Back to the election... have you seen The Daily Mail today?? OMG More revelations about Ali Barry. They seem to have their research down to a fine art.. Not your usual hacks.

They say the gap is closing on the polls and Ali is losing support with all these dodgy connections coming out.

Gordon Brown is being hailed as the Global hero. I just bet labour are loving it.

I don't read the daily mail-occasionally I will look at the on line version. It's a rag with it's own right wing agenda. Gordon Brown has been chancellor since 1997 all those years with Tony Blair, if you really believe hew as just going along with Tony and was in his shadow you don't know much about our political system. Either he fully supported Tony or he is such a weak individual he lacked the strength of character to resign. We do not have a PM with presidential powers in this country. The PM is first amongst equals- Parliament is sovereign, is where the power lies not the PM's office and Tony could have been stopped at any point. All it would have taken is enough MP's with he backbone to say no. But instead they wanted to keep in with the party machine and keep their seats. Now it's dawning on them that maybe they should have listened when so many were opposed to the war in Iraq, care about the NHS, didn't like all the scottish regiments being disbanded when soldiers were being killed in Iraq and afghanistan. Our electoral system and the way it skews the results kept them in power-they just kid themselves they have a mandate. It mighty save him in england because the tories are equally pathetic. Labour are done for in scotland and they know it. They're shitting themselves.

Make up your mond whether you like GB or not. just read something else besides the daily mail-please.

You think this is someone that should be in charge of america?

No wonder americans are depressed. Mind you i haven't a clue who jack cafferty is. maybe we should lend them paxo.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:08 am

gmc;1021137 wrote: I don't read the daily mail-occasionally I will look at the on line version. It's a rag with it's own right wing agenda. Gordon Brown has been chancellor since 1997 all those years with Tony Blair, if you really believe hew as just going along with Tony and was in his shadow you don't know much about our political system. Either he fully supported Tony or he is such a weak individual he lacked the strength of character to resign. We do not have a PM with presidential powers in this country. The PM is first amongst equals- Parliament is sovereign, is where the power lies not the PM's office and Tony could have been stopped at any point. All it would have taken is enough MP's with he backbone to say no. But instead they wanted to keep in with the party machine and keep their seats. Now it's dawning on them that maybe they should have listened when so many were opposed to the war in Iraq, care about the NHS, didn't like all the scottish regiments being disbanded when soldiers were being killed in Iraq and afghanistan. Our electoral system and the way it skews the results kept them in power-they just kid themselves they have a mandate. It mighty save him in england because the tories are equally pathetic. Labour are done for in scotland and they know it. They're shitting themselves.

Make up your mond whether you like GB or not. just read something else besides the daily mail-please.

You think this is someone that should be in charge of america?

No wonder americans are depressed. Mind you i haven't a clue who jack cafferty is. maybe we should lend them paxo.

Cup of tea gmc?? Thanks for that but just for a brief moment longer i'd like to really bang home that America and Europe's financial **** up was saved by our PM.

Umm gmc?? Have you seen this mornings Daily Mail?? Page 2 ???

Huge Headline entitled "SNP's DREAM IN TATTERS AFTER CRISIS??:yh_dance:yh_ttth:yh_ttth (for our American friends, that's 'The Scottish national Party)

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:14 am

gmc;1021137 wrote:

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Mind you i haven't a clue who jack cafferty is. maybe we should lend them paxo. :yh_doh:yh_doh:yh_doh he's a CNN announcer.

I said it on another thread. God, could you imagine Paxo and Obama????

Funeeeeeeeeeee

southern yankee · Post by **southern yankee** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:12 am

i get weekly reports from congress.gov. well this one listed all the cadidates. several of them i have never heard of the party or person. But they were taking a poll. on who everyone would vote for. i answered. with no reply. Because i really have NO CLUE

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:41 am

southern yankee;1021459 wrote: i get weekly reports from congress.gov. well this one listed all the cadidates. several of them i have never heard of the party or person. But they were taking a poll. on who everyone would vote for. i answered. with no reply. Because i really have NO CLUE

I know the feeling. You should see what we get at elections.

Here, for a small deposit, (anyone can stand for by-election) You can make up a party over-night if you want to............... Now there's athought :sneaky::sneaky:

gmc · Post by **gmc** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:30 pm

oscar;1021557 wrote: I know the feeling. You should see what we get at elections.

Here, for a small deposit, (anyone can stand for by-election) You can make up a party over-night if you want to............... Now there's athought :sneaky::sneaky:

Oscar raving loony party:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:eek::o (sorry don't know what came over me there)

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:38 pm

Hoss;1021123 wrote: The reason I don't like Barack Obama isn’t because he is Black. It’s those ears!

:wah:

I am not, not voting for him because he's black, I'm not voting for him because he is a socialist. And socialism is wrong for America, we can't pay for the social programs we have now, and he's going to tax us for more of them? That’s just stupid for the economy. And bad for our national security too... he will make deals with nations who harbor and support terrorism. He will withdraw troops from fighting where we need them to be fighting so they can regroup without pressure. And I’m sorry to say that I don’t believe that the world is going to end because of ‘climate change’ and he’ll just throw fool’s money down the drain studying it and trying to change the unchangeable.

I feel like Barack Obama has successfully campaigned a reverse ideology using race in an odd way, he's somehow managed to turn this political race into a non race issue, where he uses his race to convince people that the only way to make people believe they aren’t racist is to vote for him because he’s black and its 'the right thing to do to give a black man a chance'. I won’t give any socialist my vote. I don't care what color his skin is.

Wow, you think Obama is a socialist? I hate to tell you this but from this side of the Atlantic both parties to be quite right wing parties, except the democrats pretend to care more, while the Republicans don.t bother pretending to care, and instead bang on some libertarian nonsense while selling the nation down the river to big buisness. The Democrats talk about social equity while also selling the republic down the river to big business.

In terms of your specific fear, its interesting, are you concerned that Mr Bush has already managed to do most of what you worry about, which is: seriously damage American interests at home and abroad? I hate to tell you, but thats already happened anyway, its mopping up time at this stage. Whoever the next president is, he will have to perform some form of strategic retreat, unless he intends to borrow several more Trillion from the Chinese, so I think its a little pointless to worry about that, you will be lucky if the next guy can fix half the mess the Bush administration has left.

As for Climate change, yeah, I have heard the "I'm ignoring it because I refuse to believe scientific arguments based on decades of actual evidence, except those conclusions that are convinient to my world view". Its a pretty common viewpoint everywhere, but it will change as reality starts to set in. To remain blithley unconvinced, thats your right of course, but even if you want to ignore the reasons why its happening, you won't be able to ignore the consequences. I assure you, unless of course you don't intend to be living on this planet in 25 years.

The final one of race, well, I am not sure how is supposed to play it really. He is black, thats fairly noticeable, so I suppose he has to come up with some way of negating that disadvantage. From my perspective your all Americans anyway, the black ones, white ones, and Spanishy ones, and you all tend to have the same basic attitudes to everything compared to us over here.

Post by **Oscar Namechange** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:53 pm

gmc;1021593 wrote: Oscar raving loony party:yh_rotfl:yh_rotfl:eek::o (sorry don't know what came over me there)

Ahh you may mock now, oh Scottish Party of one.

Locals have been asking just who can oust the local Labour M.P. for 19 yrs.

The oppossition isn't looking great from here.

I'll be getting my manifesto planned in the morning.