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oscar;1017891 wrote: But i was always under the impression that it was Iraq that invaded Iran as the aggressor. Again, Saddam Hussain.It was. With US backing because the US had been humiliated by the Iranian Revolution and wanted Iran back in its own sphere. Why do you think we disagree?
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Jester;1017904 wrote: You guys lost me at 'the CIA is the most corrupt entity that ever was'...
I said ONE of the most corrupt.
Don't knock me Jester, i am one of the few British who defend America and troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I would not take it personally or be insulted if you said that the British Police Force was corrupt.
The Central Intelligence Agency is a civilian Intelligence Agency of the United States Government.
It's primary function is collecting and analyzing imformation about foriegn governments.
I said ONE of the most corrupt.
Don't knock me Jester, i am one of the few British who defend America and troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
I would not take it personally or be insulted if you said that the British Police Force was corrupt.
The Central Intelligence Agency is a civilian Intelligence Agency of the United States Government.
It's primary function is collecting and analyzing imformation about foriegn governments.
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spot;1017900 wrote: It was. With US backing because the US had been humiliated by the Iranian Revolution and wanted Iran back in its own sphere. Why do you think we disagree?
Because you just seem to blame any American administration for conflict around the world. Or am i mis-reading you?
Because you just seem to blame any American administration for conflict around the world. Or am i mis-reading you?
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Jester;1017928 wrote: Im not insulted, or offended, just wont waste my time trying to defend the CIA, or my government. When the conversation gets this far I say who cares, its the right of a sovering nation to defend itself anyway it sees fit. Be it the CIA, the FBI, uniformed military or seseme street.
I was just letting you know where I got off on this conversation, since ya asked where the americans went.
Besides I let things ride so Spot cab excuse me under deniable plausability. It mkaes his day!:wah:
I was just letting you know where I got off on this conversation, since ya asked where the americans went.
Besides I let things ride so Spot cab excuse me under deniable plausability. It mkaes his day!:wah:
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Jester;1017928 wrote: its the right of a sovering nation to defend itself anyway it sees fitWhy is it that any American thinks for a second that the integrity of America as a sovereign nation can in any possible way be threatened by any country in the Middle East? Iran is never going to attack the US Homeland, Saudi Arabia is never going to attack the US Homeland, Iraq is never going to attack the US Homeland, Syria is never going to attack the US Homeland, the Lebanon is never going to attack the US Homeland, what's wrong with you people? The only people besieging your borders are Mexicans, and where are your troops? Ten thousand miles away from the Mexican border!
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Jester;1017968 wrote: Oh yeah, I seem to recall state sponsors in the fly aircraft into world trade centers sort of thingYou're talking about all those Saudis? I don't remember anyone claiming they were State Sponsored. If they had been I'm sure it would have been part of the reason for attacking some country or other. Though not, for some reason, Saudi Arabia.
The only reason I saw used as an excuse for attacking Afghanistan was that they refused to hand over Osama bin Laden for questioning. Was there anything else?
The question of Iraqi sponsorship never even tried to get off the ground. Are you going to offer that, seven years too late?
It's the War On Terrorism, remember? Not the War On State Sponsors Of Terrorism. Else you might have had to invade North Korea and you couldn't.
The only reason I saw used as an excuse for attacking Afghanistan was that they refused to hand over Osama bin Laden for questioning. Was there anything else?
The question of Iraqi sponsorship never even tried to get off the ground. Are you going to offer that, seven years too late?
It's the War On Terrorism, remember? Not the War On State Sponsors Of Terrorism. Else you might have had to invade North Korea and you couldn't.
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Jester;1018006 wrote: Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians, Iran, Iraq, Heck even Somalia has tried to fund different groups.
Hey if I were president of the united states when those towers came crashing down Iran would be a glass parking lot, Pakistan would be on its knees, Saudi would be wondering when we were coming and Syria would be owned by Israel.
Iraq would be settling its own issues without ever being liberated. I would have done all this in less than two years and the american economy would be booming while we rebuilt our arsenals.
Russia, the UK, china, or any other country friend or foe that tried to stop me would get a boot up there hiney in the process.
You think I give one flying fling of a dirt clod about Saddams right to a decent execution? I'd have set him on his knees and capped his begging body with my colt 45 in the back of his head making sure he was never filmed by anyone. NO trial no nothing. Id have done the same to Osama too, an dlet the birds of the air have his eyes, no burial for either, anyone who touched his body would get the same thing.
I dont give one flying fling about international courts or international law,or any country that threatens us in any way, and I dont care what you or any other bleeding heart socialist liberal says about that either.
They can kiss the end of my M4. It seems to me the only dimplomacy Iran, Syria, Saudi, and some other countries do see is us kicking the crap out of them. It's high time we talked less and blew more of them nasty terrorists up.
And Im not apologizing for it anymore.
Cup of tea anyone?
Hey if I were president of the united states when those towers came crashing down Iran would be a glass parking lot, Pakistan would be on its knees, Saudi would be wondering when we were coming and Syria would be owned by Israel.
Iraq would be settling its own issues without ever being liberated. I would have done all this in less than two years and the american economy would be booming while we rebuilt our arsenals.
Russia, the UK, china, or any other country friend or foe that tried to stop me would get a boot up there hiney in the process.
You think I give one flying fling of a dirt clod about Saddams right to a decent execution? I'd have set him on his knees and capped his begging body with my colt 45 in the back of his head making sure he was never filmed by anyone. NO trial no nothing. Id have done the same to Osama too, an dlet the birds of the air have his eyes, no burial for either, anyone who touched his body would get the same thing.
I dont give one flying fling about international courts or international law,or any country that threatens us in any way, and I dont care what you or any other bleeding heart socialist liberal says about that either.
They can kiss the end of my M4. It seems to me the only dimplomacy Iran, Syria, Saudi, and some other countries do see is us kicking the crap out of them. It's high time we talked less and blew more of them nasty terrorists up.
And Im not apologizing for it anymore.
Cup of tea anyone?
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Originally Posted by oscar
Was it really down to Reagan?
spot;1017885 wrote: Who can tell? They were pretty much sleeping with each other by then. Iran was the common enemy. One can scarcely ask the gunmen, can one.
ol spot is spot on again and he JUST KNOWS Reagan egged it on.......:wah:
He's got to be a Psychic or an undercover agent with all his inside knowledge he throws out for fact
I have never saw a man so small minded in his view of the USA nor someone that had so many unfounded and STUPID theories...........NEVER.
Originally Posted by oscar
Was it really down to Reagan?
spot;1017885 wrote: Who can tell? They were pretty much sleeping with each other by then. Iran was the common enemy. One can scarcely ask the gunmen, can one.
ol spot is spot on again and he JUST KNOWS Reagan egged it on.......:wah:
He's got to be a Psychic or an undercover agent with all his inside knowledge he throws out for fact
I have never saw a man so small minded in his view of the USA nor someone that had so many unfounded and STUPID theories...........NEVER.
"If America Was A Tree, The Left Would Root For The Termites...Greg Gutfeld."
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It's an old established principle of investigation that dates back to before Christ. Who benefits?
What I said was that Reagan's administration kept the Iraqi armed forces supplied with sufficient Soviet spare parts through the eighties to stay effective in the field, and that Reagan's administration supplied intelligence to Baghdad in the form of intercepts and satellite indications of movements in Iran. I described that as Reagan and Saddam sleeping with each other. Do you seriously think any of it's untrue?
What I said was that Reagan's administration kept the Iraqi armed forces supplied with sufficient Soviet spare parts through the eighties to stay effective in the field, and that Reagan's administration supplied intelligence to Baghdad in the form of intercepts and satellite indications of movements in Iran. I described that as Reagan and Saddam sleeping with each other. Do you seriously think any of it's untrue?
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Jester;1018006 wrote: Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians, Iran, Iraq, Heck even Somalia has tried to fund different groups.Does it not occur to you, Jester, that the US funded and supported more terror organizations - excuse me, "freedom fighters" - over the same period than the rest of these countries combined? What you're describing is reaction, and 9/11 as blowback.
Thank Christ the US is on its way to its knees and all this underhand braggadocio can finally be consigned to the lurid pages of Byzantine political history. Onward and upward, it's a brave new world on the horizon and at last it doesn't include US domination suppressing the legitimate aspirations of the remaining 95% of humanity.
Thank Christ the US is on its way to its knees and all this underhand braggadocio can finally be consigned to the lurid pages of Byzantine political history. Onward and upward, it's a brave new world on the horizon and at last it doesn't include US domination suppressing the legitimate aspirations of the remaining 95% of humanity.
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Who has a spare two minutes to play in this month's FG Trivia game! ... My other OS is Slackware.
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I know full well that Saddam was supplied by America although i still believe that Iraq was always the aggressor. It has rather turned round to bite us on the bum now.
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Jester;1018006 wrote: Saudis, Syrians, Jordanians, Iran, Iraq, Heck even Somalia has tried to fund different groups.
Hey if I were president of the united states when those towers came crashing down Iran would be a glass parking lot, Pakistan would be on its knees, Saudi would be wondering when we were coming and Syria would be owned by Israel.
Iraq would be settling its own issues without ever being liberated. I would have done all this in less than two years and the american economy would be booming while we rebuilt our arsenals.
Russia, the UK, china, or any other country friend or foe that tried to stop me would get a boot up there hiney in the process.
You think I give one flying fling of a dirt clod about Saddams right to a decent execution? I'd have set him on his knees and capped his begging body with my colt 45 in the back of his head making sure he was never filmed by anyone. NO trial no nothing. Id have done the same to Osama too, an dlet the birds of the air have his eyes, no burial for either, anyone who touched his body would get the same thing.
I dont give one flying fling about international courts or international law,or any country that threatens us in any way, and I dont care what you or any other bleeding heart socialist liberal says about that either.
They can kiss the end of my M4. It seems to me the only dimplomacy Iran, Syria, Saudi, and some other countries do see is us kicking the crap out of them. It's high time we talked less and blew more of them nasty terrorists up.
And Im not apologizing for it anymore.
You've mis-understood Scrat. This is not Jester speaking,-- This is Obama's speech to the Senate.
Hey if I were president of the united states when those towers came crashing down Iran would be a glass parking lot, Pakistan would be on its knees, Saudi would be wondering when we were coming and Syria would be owned by Israel.
Iraq would be settling its own issues without ever being liberated. I would have done all this in less than two years and the american economy would be booming while we rebuilt our arsenals.
Russia, the UK, china, or any other country friend or foe that tried to stop me would get a boot up there hiney in the process.
You think I give one flying fling of a dirt clod about Saddams right to a decent execution? I'd have set him on his knees and capped his begging body with my colt 45 in the back of his head making sure he was never filmed by anyone. NO trial no nothing. Id have done the same to Osama too, an dlet the birds of the air have his eyes, no burial for either, anyone who touched his body would get the same thing.
I dont give one flying fling about international courts or international law,or any country that threatens us in any way, and I dont care what you or any other bleeding heart socialist liberal says about that either.
They can kiss the end of my M4. It seems to me the only dimplomacy Iran, Syria, Saudi, and some other countries do see is us kicking the crap out of them. It's high time we talked less and blew more of them nasty terrorists up.
And Im not apologizing for it anymore.
You've mis-understood Scrat. This is not Jester speaking,-- This is Obama's speech to the Senate.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them. R.L. Binyon
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Flamethrower;1017466 wrote: Rather simple justice really.
Commit genocide = meet a horrid death.
No foreign entity "made" or "trapped" him into doing that against the Kurds, (Are you listening spot?) therefore the punishment indeed fit the crime.
As to the feelings of disgust that many of the previous posters have expressed......that is the desired result of making such affairs fully public. The deterrent effect as you will. Bet you wouldn't want to meet YOUR end in such a fashion. Think about it.
So why have we not invaded Turkey yet - their record against the Kurds is far worse than Saddam's ever was!
Commit genocide = meet a horrid death.
No foreign entity "made" or "trapped" him into doing that against the Kurds, (Are you listening spot?) therefore the punishment indeed fit the crime.
As to the feelings of disgust that many of the previous posters have expressed......that is the desired result of making such affairs fully public. The deterrent effect as you will. Bet you wouldn't want to meet YOUR end in such a fashion. Think about it.
So why have we not invaded Turkey yet - their record against the Kurds is far worse than Saddam's ever was!
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Jester;1017656 wrote: If its armed or supports iraqs war machine then its a valid target. For instance gas truck in a column of tanks.
Do a Google on the Duke of Cumberland - you're echoing his philosophy exactly.
Even three hundred years later he's still known as the Butcher of Culloden.
Do a Google on the Duke of Cumberland - you're echoing his philosophy exactly.
Even three hundred years later he's still known as the Butcher of Culloden.
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Bryn Mawr;1019434 wrote: Do a Google on the Duke of Cumberland - you're echoing his philosophy exactly.
Even three hundred years later he's still known as the Butcher of Culloden.
america doesn't have history Bryn, you'll just confuse them :wah:
Even three hundred years later he's still known as the Butcher of Culloden.
america doesn't have history Bryn, you'll just confuse them :wah:
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oscar;1017829 wrote: So where exactly did the gas come from?
I have had many a debate with my turkish pals about the whole Turkish empire bit but have never heard them speak of killing Kurds. If it were true, why didn't they slaughter them as soon as they came over the turkish border?
Why did the Kurds feel it was safe to flee to Turkey? I will ask them tomorrow when i see them to see what they say.
Again, what was the whole Iraq/Iran war, if not aggression by Saddam?
Look up the PKK and the fifty thousand Kurds killed by the Turkish government in the last twenty years.
Having travelled through central and eastern Turkey and talked to the locals even the Turks I spoke to admitted it was unjustified.
I have had many a debate with my turkish pals about the whole Turkish empire bit but have never heard them speak of killing Kurds. If it were true, why didn't they slaughter them as soon as they came over the turkish border?
Why did the Kurds feel it was safe to flee to Turkey? I will ask them tomorrow when i see them to see what they say.
Again, what was the whole Iraq/Iran war, if not aggression by Saddam?
Look up the PKK and the fifty thousand Kurds killed by the Turkish government in the last twenty years.
Having travelled through central and eastern Turkey and talked to the locals even the Turks I spoke to admitted it was unjustified.
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Jester;1017928 wrote: Im not insulted, or offended, just wont waste my time trying to defend the CIA, or my government. When the conversation gets this far I say who cares, its the right of a sovering nation to defend itself anyway it sees fit. Be it the CIA, the FBI, uniformed military or seseme street.
I was just letting you know where I got off on this conversation, since ya asked where the americans went.
Besides I let things ride so Spot cab excuse me under deniable plausability. It mkaes his day!:wah:
No nation has that right - that way lies genocide and anarchy as a powerful nation sees threats to serve its purpose.
I was just letting you know where I got off on this conversation, since ya asked where the americans went.
Besides I let things ride so Spot cab excuse me under deniable plausability. It mkaes his day!:wah:
No nation has that right - that way lies genocide and anarchy as a powerful nation sees threats to serve its purpose.
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spot;1017957 wrote: Why is it that any American thinks for a second that the integrity of America as a sovereign nation can in any possible way be threatened by any country in the Middle East? Iran is never going to attack the US Homeland, Saudi Arabia is never going to attack the US Homeland, Iraq is never going to attack the US Homeland, Syria is never going to attack the US Homeland, the Lebanon is never going to attack the US Homeland, what's wrong with you people? The only people besieging your borders are Mexicans, and where are your troops? Ten thousand miles away from the Mexican border!
Saudi Arabia might but they're America's friend so invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead.
Saudi Arabia might but they're America's friend so invade Afghanistan and Iraq instead.
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Jester;1019507 wrote: Hey thats fine with me, you can deal with the threats in europe on your own. 
I'll not be lifting another finger for you or any other ungrateful bloke.
Ahem Ahem Jester, just incase your actually interested, OSCAR is a woman. Yes, i am a lady.
I know i talk like a warmongering bloke but i am of the female variety. :wah:
I'll not be lifting another finger for you or any other ungrateful bloke.Ahem Ahem Jester, just incase your actually interested, OSCAR is a woman. Yes, i am a lady.
I know i talk like a warmongering bloke but i am of the female variety. :wah:
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Be sure you write to your Congressman letting him know, he might listen.
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Jester;1019667 wrote: My apologize, I assumed bloke meant both men and women. (mankind).
I wish now that we could turn back the clocks and not have sent any help to europe during WW2- all the ungratefulness is just too much to take.
Kinda pisses me off. Most brits here seem to think that the US just needs to pack up go home and stay out of your biz, and I so wish we could do that, wipe our feet on Diego Gracia on the way out and never return for anything.
Yer on yer own, have a nice day.:-3
Jester, i can see you were pissed when i said the CIA was corrupt. Sorry but any organisation that has power -- is corrupt -- we have it here as well, just different organisations, as Spot would be able to explain better than myself.
It's shame you feel us Brits are ungrateful. It's a shame you haven't read posts going back over the past months as you would see that i often get slated for defending America. If you feel like this now, then it is no different to how i have felt when everything that i was brought up to believe in, is slated on here when it comes to America.
Unfortunately, we have different senses of humour between the pond and very often something that is said in jest is taking all out of context and as a personal attack on America.
I won't bore you with the details but i come from a long family war history as does my husband. Both our family members fought alongside American troops. They also died alongside American troops.
During WW11 my maternal grandmother was fortunate to have a village pub where a US and Canadian airbase was situated. Friends were bonded there that still exist today, that's why i often defend America. It's a family thing.
However, if anyone attacks my country, my Prime Minister, my Queen, my daggers come out.
Frankly Jester, i may not be the worlds greatest politician, but i do know that if a situation ever came about where Britain was on it's own without America, we would do what we have always done. We are quite happy to go to any war without America behind us, just as you can go to war without us behind you. We don't give a damn.
This country has never cow towed to any country and we never will. Yes, we might be some pissy little island in the Atlantic in your eyes but in the event of a ww111 i know who i'd put my money on.
America would be the first country to get nuked. That is without doubt due to the enemies that America has created post war.
It might not be a case of us going it alone next time round, it could be that your on your own next time round. Especially if your country is dumb enough to vote a marxist white rascist into the Whitehouse. God help America, because you'll need every bit of help you can get.
I will continue to defend America where i feel it's right for other FG friends on here who don't talk like you.
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I wish now that we could turn back the clocks and not have sent any help to europe during WW2- all the ungratefulness is just too much to take.
Kinda pisses me off. Most brits here seem to think that the US just needs to pack up go home and stay out of your biz, and I so wish we could do that, wipe our feet on Diego Gracia on the way out and never return for anything.
Yer on yer own, have a nice day.:-3
Jester, i can see you were pissed when i said the CIA was corrupt. Sorry but any organisation that has power -- is corrupt -- we have it here as well, just different organisations, as Spot would be able to explain better than myself.
It's shame you feel us Brits are ungrateful. It's a shame you haven't read posts going back over the past months as you would see that i often get slated for defending America. If you feel like this now, then it is no different to how i have felt when everything that i was brought up to believe in, is slated on here when it comes to America.
Unfortunately, we have different senses of humour between the pond and very often something that is said in jest is taking all out of context and as a personal attack on America.
I won't bore you with the details but i come from a long family war history as does my husband. Both our family members fought alongside American troops. They also died alongside American troops.
During WW11 my maternal grandmother was fortunate to have a village pub where a US and Canadian airbase was situated. Friends were bonded there that still exist today, that's why i often defend America. It's a family thing.
However, if anyone attacks my country, my Prime Minister, my Queen, my daggers come out.
Frankly Jester, i may not be the worlds greatest politician, but i do know that if a situation ever came about where Britain was on it's own without America, we would do what we have always done. We are quite happy to go to any war without America behind us, just as you can go to war without us behind you. We don't give a damn.
This country has never cow towed to any country and we never will. Yes, we might be some pissy little island in the Atlantic in your eyes but in the event of a ww111 i know who i'd put my money on.
America would be the first country to get nuked. That is without doubt due to the enemies that America has created post war.
It might not be a case of us going it alone next time round, it could be that your on your own next time round. Especially if your country is dumb enough to vote a marxist white rascist into the Whitehouse. God help America, because you'll need every bit of help you can get.
I will continue to defend America where i feel it's right for other FG friends on here who don't talk like you.
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