Ketchup ban at council's schools

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:19 am

Tomato ketchup is the latest foodstuff to be banned from canteens at some schools as part of a move towards healthier eating.

Bought-in bottles are off the menu at Vale of Glamorgan primary schools and one parent called the move "daft".

The council said the policy is not to use "mass-produced foods," but produce fresh food on the premises.

It follows news Marmite has been banned from Ceredigion's school breakfast clubs due to worries over salt content.

Sharon Chapman, 47, whose eight-year-old son Rory attends Peterston-Super-Ely Primary School in the Vale of Glamorgan, said: "He came home from school and said 'We can't have ketchup any more'.

"He can live without it and the healthy meals at the school are fantastic, but this seems one step too far as they only used to have it once a week on a burger anyway. Now he says the burger is really dry.

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Now dont get me wrong im all for healthy eating ect..But Im getting cheesed off with having schools preach to us on what our kids can and cannot eat, especially as you pass the teachers staffroom and see all the biscuits and cakes they have @ elevenses.:rolleyes:

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:54 am

Ah yes.....the wonderously BETTER way of creeping socialism!

"Why no sir...I would NEVER wipe my ass in a way the government didn't approve of! They taught me the right way in school as part of my indoctrin..., uh EDUCATION (yeah that's the word)"

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:00 am

Flamethrower;1017221 wrote: Ah yes.....the wonderously BETTER way of creeping socialism!

"Why no sir...I would NEVER wipe my ass in a way the government didn't approve of! They taught me the right way in school as part of my indoctrin..., uh EDUCATION (yeah that's the word)"

Its getting beyond a joke. My two daughters are still in primary school and the rules and regs the new headmaster has brought in are too harsh for primary, even down to the kids not being able to wear sandles in the summer. They can only drink water, cant run on the playground..wtf!!! All we hear is health and safety but what happened to kids just being allowed to be kids.

You can imagine how much trouble my youngest got into for selling conkers the other week...WW4 nearly erupted.

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:07 am

Have you ever seen Pink Floyd's "The Wall"?

The school scene is not so far-fetched anymore now is it?

Post by **Betty Boop** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:12 am

Why aren't they making their own ketchup then

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:15 am

Betty Boop;1017253 wrote: Why aren't they making their own ketchup then

The presumptive answer to that is..."Ketchup is bad for you because of too much salt. We won't even make our own because ketchup is evil no matter what and WE know better how to feed YOUR children."

RedGlitter · Post by **RedGlitter** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:30 am

It's not just in the UK either. They have some off the mark restrictions in US schools too although this is the first I've heard about ketchup. I think that's silly. What do they feed them anyway? I'd be interested to know. Over here they've wiped out first the soft drink machines because there were no nutrients in soda and then they installed machines that stocked sports drinks like Powerade. But that didn't last because Powerade has sugar and teachers were whining about hyper kids. (I have my doubts that one Powerade at lunch is going to do that) So now they sell bottled water. Wow.

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:49 am

The big thing is that these idiots think they know better but don't take the long view of anything BEFORE acting.

The possibility that "solving" one perceived problem might cause another is inconceivable to these "experts".

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 7:54 am

I love Tomato Ketchup and me HP and gawd 'elp anybody who tried to take either from me!!!!:-5:-5:rolleyes:

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:06 am

Carolly;1017289 wrote: I love Tomato Ketchup and me HP and gawd 'elp anybody who tried to take either from me!!!!:-5:-5:rolleyes:

School dinners are not that healthy, they serve some crap up in my kids school and try to make out its healthy but I dont give my kids dessert after dinner anymore, not since they were around 5 years old and then it was always yogurt or fruit, in school they get cookies,ice cream, calorie laden puddings and custard ertc... Its a joke.

Do you know what vexed me most, the head put a ban on sandals being worn in the summer, the school sports day comes around and the pillock is standing there in his bloomin sandles:-5:-5

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:11 am

Chezzie;1017297 wrote: School dinners are not that healthy, they serve some crap up in my kids school and try to make out its healthy but I dont give my kids dessert after dinner anymore, not since they were around 5 years old and then it was always yogurt or fruit, in school they get cookies,ice cream, calorie laden puddings and custard etc... Its a joke.

Do you know what vexed me most, the head put a ban on sandals being worn in the summer, the school sports day comes around and the pillock is standing there in his bloomin sandals:-5:-5
Yer 'aving a laugh.......OMG the dictatership in this country is getting worse.

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:13 am

On my local news some time ago was about a child getting into trouble as there was an extra item of food in the childs food box made by the childs mother.............EXCUSE ME??????:-5:-5:sneaky:

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:21 am

My take on it is, why do you expect the school to feed your children anyway? Thats the parents job not the States'. In Ireland, kids bring in their lunches, made by their parents, if the parents want to feed their children endless crap like frozen pizzas, chicken nuggets, cheese strings, and chips to stop them whingeing because they want what they say on the adverts, they shouldn't complain when the same children are obese by the age of 10.

They also shouldn't complain if the health service decides to stop treating problems that are brought about by peoples own stupidity out of the public purse, thats what happens when adults stop making responsible choices for their children and leave it up to teachers, schools, TV, policemen, and the government to look after their own offspring's basic care, because their too busy working to pay for a load of fancy posessions they don't need in the first place. A bit harsh, but thats the reality of it.

kazalala · Post by **kazalala** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:35 am

we usually have a choice here wether to give your child a packed lunch or pay for them to have a hot meal at school. Some people get school dinners free for their children depending on the finances. The thing is even the ones who are making their children a packed lunch are finding the teachers are saying what they can and cannot have in their packed lunches??:-3

What gets on my nerves as well (referring slightly to the sandal thing Chez) is when they send a child home because of the latest hairstyle fad and refuse to let them back until its changed! One boy was in the papers and had to have an inch cut off his fringe where the sun had bleached it,, he hadnt even dyed it or anything, it was his natural hair colour! whats hairstyles got to do with schooling:-5

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:07 am

Galbally;1017320 wrote: My take on it is, why do you expect the school to feed your children anyway? Thats the parents job not the States'. In Ireland, kids bring in their lunches, made by their parents, if the parents want to feed their children endless crap like frozen pizzas, chicken nuggets, cheese strings, and chips to stop them whingeing because they want what they say on the adverts, they shouldn't complain when the same children are obese by the age of 10.

They also shouldn't complain if the health service decides to stop treating problems that are brought about by peoples own stupidity out of the public purse, thats what happens when adults stop making responsible choices for their children and leave it up to teachers, schools, TV, policemen, and the government to look after their own offspring's basic care, because their too busy working to pay for a load of fancy posessions they don't need in the first place. A bit harsh, but thats the reality of it.

My children take their own lunch. I dont expect the state to do anything but educate my child whilst in their care, even that seems to take president to the teachers texting on her mobile or chatting via msn:rolleyes:

I personally work term-time only hours and only work 3 days a week 9-3pm. I depend on only myself and my husband to bring up my children, I dont even use a baby sitter or put on my parents or hubbys mum as I had the children and so their my responsibilty, so Id appreciate the state to keep their nose out of my kids lunch box, if they want the odd pkt of crisps I should be able to give them a pkt. Its taking it too far. Especialy when I limit my kids sweet intake only to find the teacher is dishing them out for good behaviour.:-5

Carolly · Post by **Carolly** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:09 am

Chezzie;1017369 wrote: My children take their own lunch. I dont expect the state to do anything but educate my child whilst in their care, even that seems to take president to the teachers texting on her mobile or chatting via msn:rolleyes:

I personally work term-time only hours and only work 3 days a week 9-3pm. I depend on only myself and my husband to bring up my children, I dont even use a baby sitter or put on my parents or hubbys mum as I had the children and so their my responsibilty, so Id appreciate the state to keep their nose out of my kids lunch box, if they want the odd pkt of crisps I should be able to give them a pkt. Its taking it too far. Especially when I limit my kids sweet intake only to find the teacher is dishing them out for good behaviour.:-5Again I use that old saying Chez.......Do as I say and not as I do.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:10 am

eachers texting on her mobile or chatting via msn

Oh my, we cannot do that here! I had to ask for permission to keep my cell phone on, and only respond to the nurse if she calls. That doesn't happen anymore, but I had to request that from our administration. On the computers at school, FG is blocked, no way there are messengers up!

tito · Post by **tito** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:15 am

hello, if i was ever to blessed with another child I would seriously consider homeschooling, in fact, its almost a no brainer for me!

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:21 am

tito;1017377 wrote: hello, if i was ever to blessed with another child I would seriously consider homeschooling, in fact, its almost a no brainer for me!

Not me dude. No to homeschooling. Love when they leave the house.:wah:

along-for-the-ride · Post by **along-for-the-ride** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:32 am

It seems to me that schools need to concern themselves with the issues of lack of respect, truancy, and violence that exisits in the school systems today. Leave the lunch boxes alone. I see this growing control of menu and dress as due to frustration in not being able to solve the issues I have mentioned. IMO

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:37 am

along-for-the-ride;1017392 wrote: It seems to me that schools need to concern themselves with the issues of lack of respect, truancy, and violence that exisits in the school systems today. Leave the lunch boxes alone. I see this growing control of menu and dress as due to frustration in not being able to solve the issues I have mentioned. IMO

My kids are in private school, so no worries about getting dressed in the morning. As for the subject of Ketchup, can't live without it on a burger.

Bruv · Post by **Bruv** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:39 am

I would ban Ketchup....full stop.

Dont get me wrong I use it sometimes..... where appropriate.

Some kids smother everything with it.....now thats wrong.

Whether schools should control that, when the parents should be doing it....is another question

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:41 am

There is a kid at my children's school whose mom packs about 5 sandwiches, 4 snacks and a large Gatorade in his lunch bag. Guess what? Yeah, he's fat.

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:47 am

I always was under the impression that it was the schools' job to educate children in subjects such as history, science, math, reading/literature, social studies etc.

When did it become their job to assume the role of "know all, be all, control all"?

*rhetorical question*

The answer being: When parents decided to absolve themselves of responsibility for raising their offspring in favor of letting "someone else" take care of it.

It's no wonder the schools have evolved into left wing agenda indoctrination centers.

I personally have no problem with parents who march into a school and remind the staff that they are a taxpayer so consequently the school staff works for THEM and not the other way around!

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:48 am

along-for-the-ride;1017392 wrote: It seems to me that schools need to concern themselves with the issues of lack of respect, truancy, and violence that exisits in the school systems today. Leave the lunch boxes alone. I see this growing control of menu and dress as due to frustration in not being able to solve the issues I have mentioned. IMO

My eldest will be going up to high school next year. We took a visit together last week around the High School. I noticed all the teachers wore black suits and blue ties and wore name badges, they were so well presented. The pre talk in the hall before the whistle stop tour ( took over 2 hours, big school) touched on respect and how they expected the children to respect the schools strict dress code. Their were plenty of children at the school, helping out and all were neat and tidy and happy.

In my kids primary school where this new head master (used to be head at a high school) has brought in all these new rules for the children, the teachers wear what they like, jeans, trainers, gelled sticky up hair, one teacher is very trendy and has black and red and purple hair which is spiked up and she wears a ton of make-up and tight jeans and tops. She looks great but I feel not appropriate for school but its ok as she is a teacher.

BTW, I am 100% for school uniforms for pupils.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:50 am

qsducks;1017396 wrote: My kids are in private school, so no worries about getting dressed in the morning. As for the subject of Ketchup, can't live without it on a burger.

Is it a boarding school ducks or do you mean they dont have to wear a school uniform?

qsducks · Post by **qsducks** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:58 am

Chezzie;1017409 wrote: Is it a boarding school ducks or do you mean they dont have to wear a school uniform?

Catholic school and yes, all the girls have to either wear a jumper or a skirt and the boys have to wear grey slacks & a blue shirt with the school logo on it. Even their gym uniforms are the same. Expensive I'll tell you but worth it.

Galbally · Post by **Galbally** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:11 am

Chezzie;1017369 wrote: My children take their own lunch. I dont expect the state to do anything but educate my child whilst in their care, even that seems to take president to the teachers texting on her mobile or chatting via msn:rolleyes:

I personally work term-time only hours and only work 3 days a week 9-3pm. I depend on only myself and my husband to bring up my children, I dont even use a baby sitter or put on my parents or hubbys mum as I had the children and so their my responsibilty, so Id appreciate the state to keep their nose out of my kids lunch box, if they want the odd pkt of crisps I should be able to give them a pkt. Its taking it too far. Especialy when I limit my kids sweet intake only to find the teacher is dishing them out for good behaviour.:-5

Sure, I agree that the state's responsibility is to educate the children of its citizens to prepare them for their adult life. Thats all it is, the state is not a parent, so it should stay out of how people bring up their children, and that includes punishment and treats, thats a parent's choice, the state intervening there is orwellian.

So maths, basic literacy and other basic subjects should be taught to children as a matter of right in being a citizen no one would argue with that. Children whose behaviour is beyond the ability of a teacher to control (and lets face it teachers are finding it increasingly difficult to control children without ending up in court or beaten up by the same children, its not a very easy job these days) should be excluded from destorying the eduction of the majority of decent well-behaved children. Parents also have a right to expect that their children are taught in a respectful, safe, and disciplined environment. While teachers have a right to expect to be given some respect in trying to educate children, and perhaps be given some support by parents, for most parents this is the way it is, but all too often this is not the case.

What's been happening is that schools have been turned into social experiments in trying to "improve" disfunctional children from disfunctional families, which is as much the fault of indivdual parents as well as the misguided central authorities that place far too much faith in the role of state education to solve what are essetially problems of social breakdown and parental failure. I also totally agree that it should be the choice of parents about whether they treat their kids with a chocolate bar or something on occasion.

The fact that schools are trying to somehow control what children are eating shows the futility of trying to bring in rules to regulate everything, while removing the responsibility of the adults to make adult decisions. There is a case for saying that so many adults are totally irresponsible themselves now, that the school is the best chance some children have of learning how to have some sort of self-discipline.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:24 am

Galbally;1017430 wrote: Sure, I agree that the state's responsibility is to educate the children of its citizens to prepare them for their adult life. Thats all it is, the state is not a parent, so it should stay out of how people bring up their children, and that includes punishment and treats, thats a parent's choice, the state intervening there is orwellian.

So maths, basic literacy and other basic subjects should be taught to children as a matter of right in being a citizen no one would argue with that. Children whose behaviour is beyond the ability of a teacher to control (and lets face it teachers are finding it increasingly difficult to control children without ending up in court or beaten up by the same children, its not a very easy job these days) should be excluded from destorying the eduction of the majority of decent well-behaved children. Parents also have a right to expect that their children are taught in a respectful, safe, and disciplined environment. While teachers have a right to expect to be given some respect in trying to educate children, and perhaps be given some support by parents, for most parents this is the way it is, but all too often this is not the case.

What's been happening is that schools have been turned into social experiments in trying to "improve" disfunctional children from disfunctional families, which is as much the fault of indivdual parents as well as the misguided central authorities that place far too much faith in the role of state education to solve what are essetially problems of social breakdown and parental failure. I also totally agree that it should be the choice of parents about whether they treat their kids with a chocolate bar or something on occasion.

The fact that schools are trying to somehow control what children are eating shows the futility of trying to bring in rules to regulate everything, while removing the responsibility of the adults to make adult decisions. There is a case for saying that so many adults are totally irresponsible themselves now, that the school is the best chance some children have of learning how to have some sort of self-discipline.

Oh I totally agree Gal, when I helped run a charity based nursery when my girls were toddlers we offered full day care and playgroup sessions. Broke my heart to see how some parents treated their children. One family of children never ever were given breakfast and so when snack time came which was toast, fruit and milk, they would be ravenous and try to take more than their share. Some expected us to potty train their children.

Some parents dont even make sure their children are up and washed and dressed in the mornings, never mind homework ect...

I see where its heading though and their my children, whilst in school care I expect them to be polite well mannered, respectful and do their work to the best of their ability, I expect the school to try and educate my kids and that can include healthy eating ect but not tell me what I can and cant feed them.

I reckon for some children, school is the safer option for their well being and they would rather be there than what's called home.

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:34 am

Oh Chez, we are the substitute parents for many children. I think Kathy with the younger ones probably sees it more than me, I have 6th grade.

sunny104 · Post by **sunny104** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:46 am

that makes no sense. How much ketchup would they be eating anyway??

Our kids only have one meal a week where they would even need to use ketchup. They have a choice of one of two main meals a day plus the side dishes and fruit and milk.

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:53 am

sunny104;1018489 wrote: that makes no sense. How much ketchup would they be eating anyway??

Our kids only have one meal a week where they would even need to use ketchup. They have a choice of one of two main meals a day plus the side dishes and fruit and milk.

Im not sure but surely they could ration it to a sachet per pupil instead of banning it altogether, a bacon sarnie for instance has to have sauce:wah:

Flamethrower · Post by **Flamethrower** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 12:44 pm

Chezzie;1018931 wrote: Im not sure but surely they could ration it to a sachet per pupil instead of banning it altogether,

Oh you gotta be kidding me!

That would be so simple to do. Now when do these cheese-for-brains "intellectuals" ever do the simple, obvious, common sense thing?

Everything they do is based on extensive "scientific" studies which take years (and lots of research grant money) to complete so that they have the "definitive" answer to a perceived problem. Of course there can be no other solution because the "science is in and the facts are irrefutable. We have a consensus!"

*Now where have I heard that phrase before? ahem...global warming*

Chezzie · Post by **Chezzie** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:28 pm

Flamethrower;1019170 wrote: Oh you gotta be kidding me!

That would be so simple to do. Now when do these cheese-for-brains "intellectuals" ever do the simple, obvious, common sense thing?

Everything they do is based on extensive "scientific" studies which take years (and lots of research grant money) to complete so that they have the "definitive" answer to a perceived problem. Of course there can be no other solution because the "science is in and the facts are irrefutable. We have a consensus!"

*Now where have I heard that phrase before? ahem...global warming*

what global warming:sneaky:

chonsigirl · Post by **chonsigirl** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:05 pm

a sachet

Oh, like a little thingee of ketchup? It might work for elementary, but in middle school, oh my, they would take them all over school-sit on them, leave little pranks on people's seats, etc. :wah:

They should have it in the cafe, there is nothing wrong with a child using a seasoning so they eat a little more, because it tastes better to them. We put our seasonings on what we eat too...

Odie · Post by **Odie** » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:56 pm

utterly insane to ban ketchup!:-5

has no calories, no fat!